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i regret nothing
so this review is just going to be random quotes, things i found interesting, and some commentary
content/trigger warnings; queerphobia, homophobia, lesbophobia, anti-gay violence, misogyny, anti-sex work, uncensored use of anti-gay slurs/derogatory terms, uncensored use of racist slurs, racism, descriptions of queerphobia from police/doctors/legal professionals, ableist language,
coming out/the closet
— “coming out” like a lot of campy gay terminology was a play on the language of women’s culture; referring to debutante balls where girls are introduced, or come out, to society.
— in the 1920s, coming out referred to initiation into the gay world or the process by which someone came to recognize his sexual interest in other men. by the 1950s, it referred exclusively to a gay man’s first sexual experience with another man. by the 1970s, it more commonly referred to announcing one’s sexuality to straight loved ones. “the critical audience to which one came out had shifted from the gay world to the straight world”
— “gay people in the prewar years did not speak of coming out of what we call the ‘gay closet’ but rather of coming out into what they called ‘homosexual society’ or the ‘gay world,’ a world neither so small, nor so isolated, nor, often, so hidden as ‘closet’ implies.”
— “the closet” wasn’t used by gay people before the 1960s. it doesn’t appear in records of the gay movement or in media, diaries, or letters of gay people before then. we should pay attention to the different terms people used to describe themselves and their social worlds; gay men described living a double life, putting on/taking off a mask, wearing their hair up/letting their hair down; moving between different personas and lives depending on the type of people they were around.
terminology
— “few words used by gay men were made-up terms that had no meaning in standard english or slang, most gave standard terms a second, gay meaning. many were derived from the slang of female prostitutes. gay itself referred to female prostitutes before it referred to gay men; trade and trick referred to prostitutes' customers before they referred to gay men’s partners; and cruising referred to a streetwalker’s search for partners before it referred to a gay man’s. other terms, such as coming out, burlesqued the rituals of society women.”
— men who hated the term fairy and the social category it signified embraced gay as an alternative label, but didn’t initiate its usage in gay culture. gay originally referred to things pleasurable, then by the seventeenth century came to refer more specifically to a life of “immoral pleasure and dissipation,” by the nineteenth century; sex work, gay also referred to something brightly colored or someone showily dressed; thus its adoption by fairies and the association with camp.
— “in the very different sexual culture that predominated at the turn of the century, [’fairies, trade, wolves, and punks’] understood themselves—and were regarded by others—as fundamentally different kinds of people. to classify their behavior and identities using the simple polarities of ‘homosexual’ and ‘heterosexual’ would be to misunderstand the complexity of their sexual system, the realities of their lived experiences”
queer
— the queer folk of the gay subculture defined themselves by their difference from the dominant culture.
— “by the 1910s and 1920s, men who identified themselves as different from other men primarily on the basis of their homosexual interest rather than their womanlike gender status called themselves queer.”
— “‘queer wasn’t derogatory, it just meant you were different’ a man active in new york's gay world in the 1920s recalled. while some men regretted the supposed aberration in their character that queer denoted, others regarded their difference positively and took pleasure in being different from the norm. ‘who wanted to be normal and boring?’ many queers considered ‘faggot’ and ‘fairy’ to be more derogatory terms.”
— “while less visible than the fairies in the streets of new york, queer men constituted the majority of gay-identified men in new york in the early decades of the century.” one man who moved from germany to new york in 1927 remembered fairy and queer being the most common terms used for and by gay new yokers
— queer men’s efforts to forge an identity and cultural stance that distinguishes them from fairies and “normal” men alike marked the growing differentiation and isolation of sexuality from gender in middle-class american culture. fairies’ desire for men was thought to be because of their gender persona, as desire for men was considered an inherently feminine desire, queers maintained that their desire for men revealed only their sexuality, a distinct domain independent of gender.
— part of the appeal of queer for many men was the embodiment of privacy, self-restraint, and lack of self-disclosure.
— men who identified as fairies intended their style to mark him as gay, whereas men who identified as queer intended their style to deflect such suspicions. queer men were more likely to seek out men like themselves than fairies were.
— many middle-class queer men blamed anti-gay hostility on fairies for failing to abide by straight conventions of decorum in their dress and style, thus antagonizing “normal” people. which is interesting because the appeal of queer to most people is the rejection of assimilation and respectability politics; the point is to embrace your difference from the “norm,” not try to censor yourself to fit into the “norm.”
— “by the late 1940s, younger gay men were chastising older men who still used queer, which the younger men now regarded as demeaning. as will finch noted in his diary in 1951, ‘the term gay is taking [queer’s] place. i loathe the word, and stick to queer, but am constantly being reproved, especially in so denominating myself.’”
— “some men, especially older ones, continued to prefer queer to gay, in part because of gay’s initial association with the ‘fairies.’ younger men found it easier to forget the origins of gay in the campy banter of the very queens whom they wished to reject.” so gay men and queer men both rejected the fairy but gay men also rejected queer because they found it easier to forget gay’s origin with the specific type of queer men they were rejecting association with (fairies) than to ignore the growing negative connotations of queer with outsiders.....😒
— self-identified queer men were so good at developing codes that only fellow queer men within the subculture were intelligible to that doctors at the turn of the century were baffled by their ability to identify each other and talked about it like it was a sixth sense......early 1900s “gaydar” rise
— in the late 1800s and early 1900s, terms for gay men from anti-gay folks including law enforcement and doctors were “degenerate,” “pervert,” “sexual pervert,” and “invert.” not queer like some people claim was The derogatory term in the 1890s. (this is specific to new york, so it could be the common term in some places at that time, but to just label it as The Slur, period, is not accurate)
gender/woman stuff
— “many women activists remained devoted to women and unmarried to men” legends
— some interesting stuff about how the conversation about sexuality was centered on gender and gender roles as opposed to attraction, bisexual didn’t refer to someone attracted to men and women but rather someone who was both a man and woman, and distinguishing “cultural gender” from “anatomical sex” and regarding people as the gender they projected or were perceived as over their sex.
— effeminate gay men were “tolerated because they were regarded as women,” which meant they were “subjected to the same contempt, violence, and sexual exploitation regularly directed against women” so “participating in the collective sexualization and objectification of women was one of the rituals by which they established themselves as men” like...fuck women, amiright?
— gotta acknowledge how the homophobia described throughout the book is so completely tied up in misogyny/hatred for female sex work
— misogynistic queerphobes dismissed any woman who wanted to be treated equal to men as hairy, unattractive, man-like lesbian predators....how weak
— so what i’ve gathered is that heterosexuality basically became a concept and identity because straight men were so threatened by the existence of gay men and also women standing up for themselves...they’ve always been the weakest link
— “moral reformers” and police were so determined to control female sex workers that they threatened hotels into banning women, only to be like “wait what” when those hotels started to become hotspots for gay men lmao
random
— the stonewall rebellion was “widely and inaccurately regarded as the beginning of the lgbt movement,” as opposed to the “catalyst for a new wave of radical militancy in gay politics.” “historians have showed that a political movement preceded stonewall by two decades and had its origins in a gay subculture that expanded during the war.” please everyone stop saying stonewall was the beginning of the movement
— “we should never presume the absence of something before we have looked for it” PREACH!!!! queer people need to stop assuming there is no “proof” of various queer people existing in the community/before a certain time when they haven’t even bothered to check. that shit is in line with non-queer folks denying queer history to keep us in the shadows.
— many men alternated between male and female sexual partners without believing that interest in one precluded the other or that they were gay or bi, because they didn't understand or organize their sexual practices on a gay-straight axis.
— “it would be difficult to argue that they were really homosexuals . . . but neither could they plausibly be regarded as heterosexuals . . . nor were they bisexuals . . . they were, rather, men who were . . . interested in sexual activity defined not by the gender of their partner” [stares in modern day pansexual] 👀👀👀👀👀👀
— it was accepted and normal for men to kiss and share beds with their male friends, and just, you know, show their love and be free with their affection. until such expression of love became suspected to contain an “unwholesome” gay element.....early 1900s “no homo” anyone?
— ymca stood for “why i’m so gay” among gay men.....amazing
— “i have no contact with heterosexual people” legend status
— there’s a concerning dismissal about gay predators tbh. the author talks about gay men trying to molest men in their sleep and having sexual relationships with minors, but maintains any negative reaction to those gay men were simply due to them being gay.
— “gay men turned many restaurants into places where they could gather with gay friends, gossip, ridicule the dominant culture that ridiculed them, and construct an alternative culture” so making fun of heteros has always been gay culture
— “greenwich village’s reputation as a gay mecca eclipsed harlem's only because it was a white, middle-class world”
— the author says straight actors mimicking and ridiculing gay men by putting on shows where they do drag or stereotypical things is the “gay equivalent to blackface” i
— detailing queerbaiting and lack of (good) representation in the early 1900s....and we’re still dealing with that shit over a century later.....cool cool cool cool