‚a_õmõzõn saygõn psikanalistlerinden, šdŸllŸ biyografi yazarõ ve akademisyen Brett Kahr, "Psikanaliz Sohbetleri" serisinde psikanalizin ikonik isimleriyle kurgusal sšyle_iler yapõyor. Serinin bu ikinci kitabõnda, Donald Winnicott šmrŸnŸn son yirmi yõlõnda hem konut hem de gšrŸ_me odasõ olarak kullandõ_õ Chester Meydanõ'ndaki evine šlŸmŸnden sonra geri dšnŸyor. Winnicott fincan fincan ay e_li_inde yapõlan bu sšyle_ide birincil annelik me_guliyeti, yeterince iyi anne gibi kendi geli_tirdi_i kavramlarõ aõklarken, gemi_in dehlizlerine dalõp Anna Freud, Melanie Klein, John Bowlby gibi dšnemin analistleriyle _ngiliz Psikanaliz Cemiyeti'ndeki atõ_malarõna da aõk yŸreklilikle de_iniyor. ‚ocuk ruhsallõ_õnõn ve iyi ebeveynli_in šneminin git gide daha ok anla_õldõ_õ _u gŸnlerde, Donald Winnicott'un psikanalize kattõklarõ daha da anlam kazanõyor.Ê Winnicott'la Bir Fincan ‚ayÊ psikanalizin šnemli kuramcõlarõ arasõnda yer alan Winnicott'un ya_amõ ve alõ_malarõna, Freud sonrasõ dšnemde psikanalistler arasõndaki gŸncel tartõ_malara hem alanõn uzmanlarõnõn hem de meraklõlarõnõn keyifle okuyaca_õ bir girizg‰h niteli_i ta_õyor. Ê (Tanõtõm BŸlteninden) Ê
winnicott, uzun süredir yakınlık hissettiğim ve merak ettiğim fakat sularına dalmaktan çekindiğim, okumaya nereden başlayacağımı bilemediğim bir psikanalistti. bu kitap hem winnicott'u tanıtıyor hem içindeki 'winnicottça' bölümüyle kuramının kilit noktalarını anlamayı kolaylaştırıyor hem de anna freud ve melanie klein'la ne açıdan ayrıştığını ortaya koyarak özgün yönlerine vurgu yapıyor. brett kahr müthiş bir emekle hazırlamış, keşke her kuramcı için bu kadar öğretici ve eğlenceli giriş kitapları olabilse ve korkuyla yaklaşmasak onlara. çevirinin de genel olarak gayet iyi olduğunu söyleyebilirim.
فکر نمیکنم در حال حاضر کتابی بهتر از این برای آشنایی اولیه با وینیکات و آرای اون وجود داشته باشه. بیان مفاهیم روان و ساده است و شخصیت وینیکات و کل مصاحبه خیلی دوست داشتنی به تصویر کشیده شده. اگر علاقهمند به روانکاوی و تاریخ روانکاوی هستید قطعا پیشنهاد میکنم این کتاب رو بخونید. ترجمه کتاب هم عالی بود.
برای ورود به دنیای وینیکات یکی از برجستهترین و از پیشگامان روانکاوی کودک کتاب مناسبیه. من این شیوهی گپ و گفت بین نویسنده و وینیکات مرحوم رو دوست داشتم:) کتاب زندگینامهی وینیکات رو از زبان خودش تعریف میکنه و به نظرم این کار باعث شده زندگینامه خوندن که به نظرم خیلی مفیده ولی خیلیم حوصله سربره، جالبتر بشه.
This introduction to the life and work of The (other) Donald is warm and cosy without being shallow or patronising. Some pretty deep concepts are teased out, certainly enough for the lay reader, and difficult biographical points are given an airing. The tea-sipping conceit might not be to everyone's taste but I enjoyed it and the drawings, building on Alison Bechdel's "Are You My Mother" (which is sitting in front of me waiting to be read as soon as I finish this review) are perfect.
Este libro es un tesoro! Pensaba escribir que es una joya pero eso no sería suficiente En una alegre y amena forma de conversación ante varias tazas de té y bocadillos de salmón , Brett Kahr hace un interesante recorrido sobre la obra de Winnicott, excelente introducción para principiantes y buen recorrido como recuento de la obra En una obra anterior de Kahr sobre Winnicott , en un retrato biográfico, se había excedido en detalles y en una valoración positiva e idealizada de tal forma, que, si mal no recuerdo, escribía que después de Freud el único autor relevante en Winnicott! En esta obra no es así, se centra en el desarrollo de los conceptos, lo entrelaza suavemente con su vida, no hay secretos oscuros, menos aún infamia a, es un recorrido amable y profundo por vida y obra y su relación y deudas con autores Winnicott compara su visión con la de Anna Freud y Melanie Klein y considera que tienen que ver sus diferencias con su experiencia en el trabajo institucional que le permite ver y pensar en la importancia de la familia y el contexto social, reconoce el trabajo de Anna y su interés en las familias y enfatiza que el trabajo de Melanie Klein fue principalmente en el consultorio lo,que él considera importante Reflexiona también sobre la dificultad de los analistas de aceptar nuevas ideas y técnicas y lo justifica explicando que se vive tanto caos y desorganización que por ello buscan certeza en conceptos En este diálogo Kahr le informa a Winnicott sobre la valoración y las críticas a su obra, en este punto del texto yo pensé " para que le dice? Por qué lo mortifica ." Hasta que recordé que era un diálogo imaginado, supongo que es el riesgo de leer un libro de forma Winnicottiana? Me parece un poco excesivo el listado final de todos los mencionados en la obra , pero aun así pienso que es un gran libro Espero con entusiasmo el resto de la serie Gracias Karnac !
اگه می خواید با وینیکات آشنا بشید خیلی کتاب خوبیه. برت کار زندگی نامه و برخی از نظریات و اصطلاحات وینیکات رو خیلی ساده و روون تو این کتاب آورده. یکی از ویژگی های مثبتش اینه که مطالب به گونه ای نوشته شده که برت کار انگار واقعا با وینیکات مصاحبه کرده و گفتگو اون ها جمع آوری شده و داخل این کتاب آورده شده. برخلاف کتاب قهوه با فروید که به نظرم بعضی جاهاش کسل کننده و از ریتم داستان خارج میشد، چای با وینیکات این مدلی نیست و میتونه درگیرتون کنه.
I read this book for fun and it was fun. I really got drawn into the format and did indeed feel that I was reading the report of a friendly chat between Winnicott and someone who loved his work. It felt very authentic, but unfortunately it is not really a substitute for trying to get to grips with his writings. The book gave me a really good sense of Winnicott as a person but did not directly add to my understanding of his writings. But it was fun!
Disclaimers first: I'm by no means more than an interested reader in psychoanalysis, and I didn't know much about Winnicott's life or ideas before starting this book. Oh, and I, in general, do not enjoy biography books :D
I felt the book gives a good balance of personal details of Winnicott's life and theories in psychoanalysis. At times, the text goes into tiny details of matters that do not matter very much to me per se, but I just adapted my reading speed for those parts and overall it was an enjoyable read. The parts that exclusively deal with his theories I think were super clear and well explained and I found it very rewarding.
I personally felt that this book helped me connect some otherwise abstract intangible swarm of words to my own experience, and it also revealed new aspects of the therapist-client relationship to me. Oh and to be fair, I did enjoy some of the more aestethical aspects too like the tea or London street references :) I would suggest this to anyone who is keen about psychoanalysis.
4.5 Did not sparkle as much as his coffee w freud, but an equally well researched and playful book by the scholar most able to do this. As he notes in the epilogue:
“with the kind permission of the Winnicott Trust, I have had the great privilege of studying his deeply extensive correspondence, consisting of literally tens of thousands of pages of print. In fact, I may be the only person obsessional enough to have read through the entire collection of Winnicot's unpublished letters - housed in archival repositories on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean - not once, but twice, and sometimes even thrice. In preparation for my 1996 biography, I had interviewed approximately tro hundred people who knew Winnicott personally; subsequently, since publication, I have interviewed a further seven hundred or more.”
I love obsessional neurotics.
What a beautiful tribute to a man who has done so much for thinking about children and psychology, and so much more. Speaking of obsessional neurotics—Alison Bechdel (who illustrates the book) wrote (in are you my mother) of her desire to have winnicott as a mom. I totally get that. And I think, in some ways, we both have, through the legacy of his teaching and theory.
Freud'la Bir Fincan Kahve'den sonra okuduğum ikinci 'post-mortem' sohbet. Yazar tarafından kurgulaştırılmış (hatta bir bakıma oyunlaştırılmış) olması sayesinde detaylı biyografik bilgiler akıcılıkla sunulabilmiş. Bu stil, belgesel ile kurmaca arasında bir geçiş alanında yer alması ile de Winnicottyen yaklaşıma göz kırpıyor. Winnicott'un kuramsal katkıları son fincanlara doğru ve biraz da acelecilikle, ana başlıklar ya da anahtar kavramların peş peşe verilmesi ile tanıtılmış olsa da, bunu tadımlık olarak görmek lazım, en nihayetinde kitap bir çay sohbeti olma iddiasında. Oyun, yaratıcılık, geçiş alanı gibi Winnicott'un özlü katkıları hakkında merak uyandırıyor; ancak daha derin bilgi/tartışma beklentisi olan okur için yeterli gelmeyecektir diye düşünüyorum. Yine de (İngiltere merkezde olmak üzere) psikanaliz tarihi ile ilgilenenler için ayrı bir yerde durabilecek bir çalışma.
I have heard about him and some of his idea but I did underestand more about his theories and also the process of psychology establishments and chalenges.the writer has worked hard and could showed us different aspects of winnicott,the question in my mind is ,usually the people search and investigate and look for about what they missed or deprived in their life,so as book showed ,winnicot had a rich and good childhood physically and emotionally life ,so why he aimed children dieases and psychology?
Like Kahr's 'Coffee With Freud', a highly enjoyable overview of a great thinker's life and work. This is better though, since it doesn't finish abruptly and it has a sense of completion about it. Hugely recommended for budding psychotherapists or anyone thinking about working in the mental health arena-more than 'good enough'!
Very interesting for the context of the time. Sad that the passage with his ideas is rather short and comes just in the middle of the book. Besides, again, very interesting. The format is very readable which is pleasant compared to the rather challenging style of Winnicott.
I found insightful the perspective on the early infant stage / birth period and alike.
Reading this book made me feel like I know Winnicott. This is despite the fact that the author never met Winnicott himself. This is quite an accomplishment for Brett Kahr, and like him I wish I could have met Winnicott in real life.