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Forgotten Realms: Elminster #2

Elminster in Myth Drannor

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It is the time of the great elven city of Cormanthor, when the Heartlands are home to barbarians, wicked dragons rule the skies, and the elven people trust no one. Wizards and warriors alike threaten their civilization in vain, arrogant, and ignorant quests for glory.Thus it was that Elminster was guided to Cormanthor, the Towers of Song, where Eltargrim was Coronal. There he dwelt for twelve summers and more, studying with many mighty mages, learning to feel magic and know how it could be bent and directed to his will . . . . It is recorded that when the Mythal was laid, and Cormanthor became Myth Drannor, Elminster was among those who devised and spun that mighty magic.

384 pages, Kindle Edition

First published January 12, 1998

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Ed Greenwood

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Ed Greenwood is the creator of the Forgotten Realms fantasy world, which became the setting for his home D&D game in 1975. Play still continues in this long-running campaign, and Ed also keeps busy producing Realmslore for various TSR publications.

Ed has published over two hundred articles in Dragon magazine and Polyhedron newszine, is a lifetime charter member of the Role Playing Game Associaton (RPGA) network, has written over thirty books and modules for TSR, and been Gen Con Game Fair guest of honor several times.

In addition to all these activities, Ed works as a library clerk and has edited over a dozen small press magazines.

Invented the character Elminster from the popular Forgotten Realms RPG series. Currently resides in an old farmhouse in the countryside of Ontario, Canada.

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Author 3 books69 followers
December 29, 2021
A fun adventure of young Elminster, prince of Athalantar before he was the Sage of Shadowdale. Another success from Greenwood on pushing out another enjoyable FR novel.
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64 reviews2 followers
August 10, 2018
Γενικά, είχα ενθουσιαστεί με την ιδέα του να διαβάσω βιβλία των "Forgotten Realms" καθως μου αρέσει πάρα πολύ το Dungeons and dragons. Ξεκίνησα με τα βιβλία του Salvatore με τις περιπέτειες του Drizzt, τα οποία τα λατρεψα! Για αυτό, είχα πολλές προσδοκίες από όλα τα "Forgotten Realms" βιβλία.
Λάθος μου. Το πρώτο βιβλίο του Greenwood με τις περιπέτειες του Elminster μου άρεσε αρκετά και αποφάσισα να διαβάσω και το δεύτερο. Το δεύτερο και εν λόγω βιβλίο με απογοήτευσε σχεδόν αρκετά για να εγκαταλείψω τη σειρά.
Η κυρία ιστορία αφορά τη δημιουργία ενός προστατευτικού "πέπλου" γύρω από την πόλη του Κορμανθορ, του λεγόμενου Μιθαλ, και τη μετονομασία της πόλης σε Μιθ Ντρανορ. Η πλοκή αυτή εκτυλίσσεται στο τελευταίο 20% του βιβλίου. Οι πρώτες 300 σελίδες εξιστορούν τις περιπέτειες του Elminster στο βασίλειο των ξωτικών, χωρίς καν ουτε μια αναφορά το Μιθαλ. Όλη η πλοκή εκτυλίσσεται σε διάστημα 70 σελίδων, αφήνοντας πάρα πολλά κενά. Ειλικρινά απογοητεύτηκα. Παρόλα αυτά θα συνεχίσω και στο τρίτο βιβλίο, για δύο λόγους: πρώτον, τόσο έχω αγοράσει ήδη ( 😁 ) και δεύτερον, για να δώσω άλλη μια ευκαιρία στη σειρά, ελπίζοντας σε μια βελτίωση.
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417 reviews15 followers
May 26, 2014
I have never disliked a book more. I have no idea what the point of this book was. there were so many characters that served literally no purpose. I cannot think of a single part of this book that I actually liked. the character's choices were beyond dumb and yea. it really sucked. If the rest of the books in this series are like this, it will take me all year to read them because they suck so bad
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9 reviews
December 27, 2019
I like Elminster, and in my opinion the first book is a really good book. The second one is a little bit poorer. In my review of the first volume I wrote: "But you know what? I devoured this book, it's not perfect but it's thrilling nice and well written. I'm not asking anything more from a book!". Same thing here, but with a little bit less hype and enthusiasm... But the same defects... So nice book, surely you must read it, but i preferred the first one. Number three I'm coming anyway!
5 reviews
January 13, 2025
Es ist inzwischen über 20 Jahre her, dass ich mit Baldur’s Gate 1 in die meisterhafte Saga der Baldur’s-Gate-Reihe eintauchen durfte. Gleich zu Beginn begegnete mir ein geheimnisvoller alter Mann, der sich im Laufe des Spiels als niemand Geringerer als Elminster Aumar entpuppte. Sein erster Satz, "He da, Wanderer, bleibt mal kurz bei einem alten Mann stehen", hat sich unauslöschlich in mein Gedächtnis eingebrannt – und wohl auch in das vieler anderer Spieler.

Baldur’s Gate entfachte meine Liebe zu Faerûn und weckte mein Interesse an der reichen Geschichte dieser faszinierenden Welt. Besonders neugierig war ich auf die Hintergrundgeschichte von Elminster Aumar: Wie wurde er zum Auserwählten der Magiegöttin Mystra? Und wie gelangte er zu jener Macht, die ihn als den mächtigsten Magier aller Zeiten auszeichnet? Antworten auf diese und viele weitere Fragen liefert die Elminster-Reihe.

Vorliegend ist hier der zweite Band der Reihe: Die Elfenstadt, der sich nahtlos an den ersten Teil, Der Zauberkuss, anschließt. Wie schon beim Auftakt sollte man auch hier kein literarisches Meisterwerk à la Tolkien erwarten – und ja, die Drizzt-Reihe von R.A. Salvatore bewegt sich sprachlich auf einem anderen Niveau. Doch Die Elfenstadt fesselte mich auf über 450 Seiten durchweg. Zwar rauchte mir bei der Vielzahl an Namen gelegentlich der Kopf, doch das Glossar am Ende des Buches war eine großartige Hilfe.

Von mir erhält der Roman 5/5 Sterne. Zwar könnte man über die teilweise schwache Übersetzung diskutieren, doch ehrlich gesagt beeinträchtigt das den Lesefluss kaum. Im Vergleich zum ersten Band halten sich die Übersetzungsfehler außerdem deutlich in Grenzen.

Besonders gut hat mir gefallen, dass Ed Greenwood in diesem Teil das idealisierte Bild der edlen und weisen Elfen bricht. Stattdessen zeigt er sie als intrigante, arrogante und selbstverliebte Wesen – ähnlich wie Menschen.

Allerdings ist dieser Roman meiner Meinung nach nur bedingt für Leser geeignet, die keinen Bezug zu Faerûn, der Schwertküste oder den Vergessenen Reichen haben.

Allen anderen wünsche ich viel Spaß beim Lesen!
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397 reviews8 followers
February 15, 2022
3.5 stars

Even though it was sometimes hard to remember all those elven names, and boy oh boy, there's too many minor characters for a 300+ pages book, I think I prefer this one over the first book of the series. The story is more put together and less segmented, though there is still some kind of choppy feeling to it here and there. Just the fact that the whole book take place in the same general area, and with the whole "opening the city vs opposant to the idea" overarching plot is I think a good thing. It makes the little, more minor stories more connected to one another.

That being said, I didn't like the numerous magic battle who basically equated to casting spells that are either blocked or deflected until someone tricks the other and can pass through their shield or mantle. I also didn't care for all the numerous time Mystra has to deus ex machina everything. There's a wink to it towards the end of the book, but that doesn't help me to feel less like this was a sotry about a chosen one who is more a vessel for his god action than a hero of his own.

But as for any of these Forgotten Realms novel (at least so far into my reading each of them before I die if I can), I got what I came for: more meat to add to my knowledge of the lore, and also great ideas to help me in my DMing elves. We are generally told they are haughty, but I feel like through the years, it has lost its meaning a bit, and it became somewhat of an after thought. If ever I start a more homebrew campaign, get an opportunity to play a new character or add some NPC to a module, I'll consider playing into the very contemptuous trait of this race in regards to how the younger elves (and some not so young ones) are portrayed in this story.
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39 reviews6 followers
March 11, 2021
What is there to say about this book? Well, the first thing of note has most certainly been that it progressed at a much more pleasing rate than the first book did!

As the second book and the continuation of Elminster's story, I believe this book did give a lot of insight to the character that the first book of the series sort of left out. In place of character development, we got to better understand Elminster and his personality in this book. This, I feel was very much needed as after reading the first book, Elminster felt very chaotic and hard to pin down or describe. However, now that we have moved out of the beginnings of Elminster, I expect to see some more development than was shown within this novel.

This book did a very good job at giving insight and moving us on to the next step. The next step being the continuation of the life and happenings around Elminster Aumar. Reading these has most certainly felt like I've just read a backstory and begun a campaign, just as I would in the tabletop RPG Dungeons and Dragons! This may very well be my favorite aspect of these novels. the feeling that I'm reading the story of a game I just played and getting to relive the awesome (and not so awesome) moments that occurred!

I know not what to expect of the next book: "The Temptation of Elminster" since the epilogue of this book was a bit unclear as to where the story was progressing next, but I have high hopes as I finish writing this review to delve into the pages!
Profile Image for Phillip Krzeminski.
75 reviews3 followers
July 19, 2024
Better than the first but that’s a pretty low bar. The same fundamental problems remain-the plot is a bit more cohesive here but the characters remain exceptionally boring. I do at least like that Ed Greenwood shows why the elves are in decline- they are arrogant, prideful, and selfish- a decadent culture of spoiled rich brats with little to occupy them but scheming and boasting. However, while they have a lot of cultural identity they lack any individual identities. There are WAY to many elves to keep track of and they all have the same personality so it’s hard to differentiate them at all.

Things once again fall apart in that the main character is the least interesting thing in the story and he basically solves every problem by begging Mystra to intervene and bail him out. At least he has a reason to be here this time, as Mystra basically wants him to bumble around and trigger elven societal self destruction.

The handling of female characters in this book is maybe worse than the previous one, if possible. It’s certainly a much more horny book. The female characters subplot, if it can be called that, is a straight rip off of Lysistrata. The female characters motivations and personalities are threadbare and blend into each other.
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157 reviews21 followers
October 14, 2018
As a young teenager, when I first read this book, I loved it. As an adult, I enjoyed the first third(ish), was fairly satisfied with the next third(ish), and by that point realised that everything had appeared to go downhill. I have never read, and will probably never read, any of the other books in the series.

So, ignoring the first third/half of the book (which actually was pretty enjoyable), I feel like the main problem with Elminster is Elminster himself.

He doesn't have any agency. When a protagonist feels only like an observer, a pawn who is guided by the hand above him, things become problematic. While Elminster does have his task to complete, and while he does occasionally do things by himself, mostly anything he really achieves is because of Mystra. There's no fear for Elminster - Mystra isn't going to let him die - and when he begs for help for the hundredth time, it gets a little old.

I was particularly dissatisfied with the twenty year jump. Absolutely nothing wrong with it, except that the last third felt overly rushed, and a little like Greenwood hadn't really planned much past the first half of the book.


Profile Image for Troy Neenan.
Author 13 books11 followers
January 6, 2020
Plot:
Pushed on by his god and lover, Elminster finds himself in an Elven kingdom that isn't too found that a human has intruded upon their fair city. One of the greatest mages in the Forgotten Realms; Elminster has to deal with xenophobic assassins who now magic on an instinctual level. In order to survive he is going to have to learn elf magic.

My main problem with this book is the time frame and the distance between this book and the first. Elminster is one of the most powerful wizards in this game and while it could be debated that the first book was a reasonable genesis for the character, we lost a lot of years and we don't get much of a magic system.

This book focuses not really on Elminster but on the culture and xenophobic society of the elves of this world as well as the first mythal, an account of an epic level spell.

What I liked: I managed to finish it.
What I don't like: I suppose that it is a decent addition to the wizard's saga.
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63 reviews
December 22, 2017
Greenwood continues his streak of penning elaborately woven plots that are more about the place they occur in than the title characters themselves. Indeed, several of the subplots within this book never actually end up having an effect on the main storyline, but their presence acts to flesh out the world around you and render everything in fuller color.

Much like Indiana Jones in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" I couldn't help but shake the feeling that events would have played out more or less as they did even if Elminster had not been in the story. That said, there were some great spell battles and plenty of D&D-inspired fantasy, which I loved.

A small gripe: the book continually refers to El as the "raven-haired youth", yet he is pictured as a curly-blonde man on the cover. It's a little thing, I know, but it irks me.
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476 reviews3 followers
August 8, 2024
Each book of this series gets better and better. Elminster, guided by Mystra, travels to the secluded Elven land of Cormanthor to learn more secrets of magic. The Elven world is described so magically and beautifully that I could envision the town and the people as Elminster walked through it. I found that the humans and the Elves in power have a lot more in common than they believe. Each has power hungry rich people at the top looking for more power. This has been so much fun to read so far and I can't wait to see what sort of mess Elminster gets into in book 3.
70 reviews
June 8, 2017
I found this third book be better than the previous ones. I think Elminster's story gets better as you go, more mature. This focuses on Elminster's training with the elves and his relationship with them, as well as their relationship with the world. This book unveils a crucial piece os history from the Realms and bring lots of characters to the front that everyone today will recognize, but that Ed Greenwood was creating. in this remark this stands out for me as one of the best from this author.
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22 reviews
April 22, 2024
This one took a lot of investment before I got interested. It did have a lot of elven politics and history of the realm for me to cling to when my attention waned. I continue to find the Forgotten Realms books to feel a little dated and sometimes awkward in how they handle... well, women. Though, I don't mind meeting them halfway to spend some time with the legends of my favorite realm.

I did enjoy the first book significantly more.
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21 reviews
May 17, 2024
The Wonderful Foundation of Forgotten Realms Begun

Mr. Greenwood’s storytelling is legendary and this book is a mere piece of that legend. A wonderful good time, D&D Forgotten Realms canon creation, and an interesting take on the Elvish culture of D&D. If you are a D&D player (young or old) and have not read this book or the series - do yourself a favor and “educate yourself” - you won’t regret it!
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150 reviews2 followers
June 13, 2024
Great continuation of Elminster and D&D Universe lore. I'm liking a lot this stories and lore about Dungeons & Dragons.

This is my 2nd book reading and exploring of Dungeons & Dragons. I hope my home local library they add the 3rd book and other books of Elminster and D&D Lore.

Also, I liked that the English in the story that they speak it and written reminds me a little bit of the olden medieval English language and Shakespearean English too.
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664 reviews5 followers
October 8, 2019
El and the Opening of Myth Drannor to Non-Elves. Through the opening of Myth Drannor to Humans, Dwarves and others we learn more of the life of Elminster and the history of the Realms. The Politics of Elves run very deep as do their hate for non-elves, this story will give you insight to this and more.
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3 reviews
January 5, 2021
Segundo libro de la saga de Elminster. Flojo en comparación con el primero, si bien se logra llevar la lectura si te gusta el género fantástico, de a momentos se hace muy pesada. Un libro que, a mi humilde opinión, sólo se puede disfrutar plenamente si se está sumergido en el lore de lo que es Dungeons&Dragons
20 reviews
November 22, 2023
I appreciate this book for showing me what bad writing looks like.
There is no pacing. No underlying sense. Things are thrown in a long series of pretty much random dramatic events. When there is any trouble, he asks the goddess for help and she fixes it. And when it finally looks like the plot will reach a "logical" step, the book ends.
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Author 10 books30 followers
October 19, 2017
Elminster in space! This could have been the best book in the series. A powerful sage.... err Gandalf/Galadriel in a mystery of magic. When the brought in the Scooby Doo tropes and cliches, I gave up and sped read the rest to see of it ever recovers. Sighs. Alas.
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220 reviews17 followers
December 6, 2017
This was a good book. Unfortunately, only parts of it felt like a true representation of Elves. Many elves in this book come off as too human. However, the story of the creation of Myth Drannor is important to know. I look forward to reading more about it in future books.

210 reviews1 follower
May 13, 2018
Just as good twenty years later, the story of the forging of Mystra's most beloved Choosen and the making of the Mythral of Myth Drannor should be read by all who like a book with a good bit of magic within.
4 reviews
December 18, 2022
Easily one of my favorite books of all time. I have read this book probably around 4-5 times in both french and english, so around 10 times in total and have not grown tired of it yet. It has shaped the way I perceive Elves and Magic in all of Fantasy, a fantastic read!
December 20, 2018
Posee un mejor desarrollo que la primera parte, explicando el avance del mago en su aprendizaje.
Mejora mucho en sus descripciones, pero le falta enganchar mejor al lector en varias escenas.
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31 reviews2 followers
March 15, 2019
Not as good as the first. Probably harder to read with all the elven names, so I slogged through parts. Good storyline though, and it was worth it.
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143 reviews3 followers
January 2, 2020
It had some good moments, but this book suffered from too many characters and factions, too thin a plot and no character development. It was quite a muddle.
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