If God is love . . . Why are so many Christians fearful? Why do so many Church leaders sound hateful? Why does religion often create more pain than healing? What would it take for our world to become more gracious? In If Grace Is True, pastors Philip Gulley and James Mulholland revealed their belief that God will save every person. They now explore the implications of this belief and its power to change every area of our lives. They attempt to answer one If we took God's love seriously, what would our world look like? Gulley and Mulholland argue that what we believe is crucial and dramatically affects the way we live and interact in the world. Beliefs have power. The belief in a literal hell, where people suffer eternally, has often been used by the Church to justify hate and violence, which contradict what Jesus taught about love and grace. The authors present a new vision for our personal, religious, and corporate lives, exploring what our world would be like if we based our existence on the foundational truth that God loves every person. Gulley and Mulholland boldly address many controversial issues people in the pews have wondered about but churches have been unwilling to tackle. For too long, the Christian tradition has been steeped in negativity, exclusion, and judgment. Gulley and Mulholland usher us into a new era -- an age where grace and love are allowed to reign.
Philip Gulley has become the voice of small-town American life. Along with writing Front Porch Tales, Hometown Tales, and For Everything a Season, Gulley is the author of the Harmony series of novels, as well as If Grace Is True and If God Is Love, which are coauthored with James Mulholland.
He hosts "Porch Talk with Phil Gulley" on the Indiana PBS affiliate WFYI television's flagship show Across Indiana.
Gulley lives in Indiana with his wife, Joan, and their sons, Spencer and Sam—in a rambling old house with Gulley’s eclectic chair collection (64 at last count) and a welcoming back porch.
Gulley is also the Pastor at Fairfield Friends Meeting House in Camby, Indiana. If you find yourself in Camby, you're invited to attend a sermon.
A follow up to "If Grace is True," Phil and Jim reflect on what it would mean if churches really believed that God = love. I get to see Phil talk next weekend, I'm so excited!
“Her response was consistent with her theology and confirmed the reason I ultimately rejected the dualistic theology of my childhood in which some are saved and others damned. Such theology makes it too easy to hate.” (pg. 53)
“Embracing a theology of universal love requires far more than a change of beliefs. It alters our perception of every human being in the world. People can no longer be divided into tidy categories of saved, unsaved, or wicked. Rather, they are welcomed as beloved children of God, yearning for the same happiness and fulfillment that drives us all. They can never again be seen as anything less than precious in God’s sight. Instead of consigning the ignorant, cruel, or self-righteous to hell, we eagerly anticipate their transformation. Instead of hating them, then, we must learn to love them.” (pg. 63)
“What we call one another matters. If we call others unsaved, wicked, sinners, pagans, or heathens, we no longer recognize them as children of God.” (pg. 70)
“This is why many have left the church, synagogue, and mosque. They aren’t atheists. They’ve simply found the courage to reject religious fear and control. They seek a spirituality consistent with what they sense to be true – there must be more to life than escaping hell and keeping the rules. They yearn for a way of life that is gentle, humble, open, and compassionate.” (pg. 117)
“Gracious politics accepts our responsibility not to simply protect life, but to commit ourselves to seeing every life fulfilled and abundant.” - pg. 201
I read this book when I first entered my divinity school experience and thought the premise interesting but did not, by and large, accept the premise. I had hope for universal salvation, and had been thinking on these things largely because of my love for Origen, but still found this book largely unsettling yet extremely valuable because it was so very unsettling - what Gulley had said about the dichotomous way of thinking that many of us in the church are raised with is absolutely true.
Now a few years later I came back to it, because I am no longer certain that there is a certainty of a hell, and even if there is something of a separation from God, it is not clear to me wherever anyone got the idea that this would be a pit of fire that God who so loves all of us would separate his loved ones from himself with. It has never made sense to me that the master artist would destroy his creations, humankind, who are said explicitly to share the imago dei.
Gulley is careful and kind in pre-empting the most likely question to such a way of thinking, that if universal salvation is true that everyone can just act like a bunch of bastards here and now and not worry about it. This is not the case as Christians. Rather, we have to enlarge our understanding of love and ecumenism and perhaps re-examine and narrow our views on evangelism; those already in a faith, though it differs from ours, should not be targeted, he states (convincingly).
I found it a refreshing perspective on what it means (or can mean) to be a christian or follower of Jesus' teachings. Written by two Quaker authors-gave me insight into a religious philosophy I didnt realize I identified with.
Such truth -- and told in such a way as to really bring it home! It convinces me that we can create the Kingdom of God here and now. I highly recommend this book. It will warm your heart and open your soul.
This is book two in a series. Maybe because book one (“If Grace Is True”) was so revolutionary for me, this follow-up was bound to be a little anticlimactic. In book one the authors proposed that God will save every person (even if only eventually and even if eventually to God seems like a near eternity to humans).
A quick review and summary of “If Grace Is True” is accomplished in this quote from the present work: "Where sin abounds, God’s grace increases all the more. Unwilling to abandon us, God works in the lives of every person to redeem and restore. The restoration of all things is God’s ultimate desire. This universal salvation is not an event, but a process. It is God’s primary action in the world. Jesus came to proclaim this good news, to draw people to God. He broke down the barriers he encountered and refused to limit God’s favor to a chosen few. The cross was the political and religious response to such radical grace. The resurrection was God’s unwillingness to allow a human government or religion to have the final word. I believe God will accomplish the salvation of every person, in this life or the next, no matter how long we resist."
In book two the authors attempt to answer the “so what” question. So you believe God will save every person, now what? Does nothing matter? The short answer is: everything still matters! We get to participate in what God is trying to do on Earth and without all the guilt, condemnation, and separation of people into hell-bound and heaven-bound. As William Penn says, “True godliness doesn’t turn men out of the world, but enables them to live better in it, and excites their endeavors to mend it.” And yes, of course sin and evil are real. God has not yet accomplished the reconciliation of all things.
Big Ideas:
+ Fear and love don’t mix - The idea that God demands we do or believe the right things while we’re alive or he will punish us forever is deplorable and a total misunderstanding of the message of Jesus - Fear of eternal punishment leads to self-absorption which “leads us further from love” - Fear makes God’s grace a “ticket to heaven rather than the means of transformation.” - A relationship with God is inherently desirable; the carrot of heaven and the stick of hell are perversions of the real motivation to seek God
+ God loves everyone - “Jesus came not to save worthless human beings, but to articulate a vision of a God that sees all people as deserving of love” - “We forget that every person the Church welcomes is morally flawed. No one will arrive in heaven perfected—we will all need transformation. The Church, offering a foretaste of heaven, should be a place where people come to be accepted, loved, healed, and restored”
+ Christ is bigger than Christianity and “salvation” is not about religion - “The humble, meek, merciful, just, pious, and devout souls are everywhere of one religion; and when death has taken off the mask they will know one another, though the diverse liveries they wear here make them strangers.” William Penn - “Jesus didn’t suggest salvation was a matter of theological orthodoxy, doctrinal purity, or religious loyalty. He didn’t offer a four-step spiritual formula, speak of the One True Church, or give an altar call. He didn’t even demand the lawyer follow him. Instead, he said eternal life is realized when we love” - “My insistence that all come to God in the way I’d come to God was egotistical and lazy. It allowed me to ignore the rich extent of God’s revelation to people in cultures and religions across the world. Religious elitism robbed me of the benefits of God’s work in millions of lives. Though I remain a Christian, one who has come to know God through the life and teachings of Jesus, I’ve accepted my proper place as a seeker after truth rather than the possessor of all wisdom” - “Gracious Christianity is committed to the lifestyle of Jesus, confident that living his way of life can usher in the kingdom of God. It trusts that God still moves and acts in the world, not simply in Christians, but in anyone who commits to loving neighbor and enemy. Convinced of the ultimate salvation of all people, it can focus on living in the present rather than worrying about the future”
Potent Quotables:
When God looks on us, God smiles. Pure religion is learning to smile back.
Jesus invited us to take up a cross—to join him in forgiving those who do evil and absorbing the pain of the world.
We see an injustice and we complain to heaven. Why doesn’t God intervene? We see a problem and we look for someone to solve it. Why doesn’t the government do something? We never admit that what keeps us from acting is our lack of courage. What if I act and I too become a victim of evil? What if I speak up and I too become a target? What if I reach out and others reject me? What if I act and I fail? And, most frightening, what if the change must begin within me?
I LOVED “If Grace Is True” and was excited to read this follow on sequel. However, I was disappointed by how the author applied his belief in universal salvation to the life of a believer in it. I was hoping he would discuss the freedom and peace that could be found in a life based on personal relationship and personal experience with God’s love and acceptance, without fear or guilt towards the need to “save” the rest of the world. Instead, he offers a highly prescriptive vision of what anyone who believes as he does must supposedly do and a new demand to “save the world” by living as he believes we all should. Instead of setting its adherents free of the overwhelming responsibility wrongly laid on the shoulders of believers in “dualism” (as he calls the belief that some are saved and some are damned), he lays a new burden on those who would follow his version of universalism - we must all give away all we have, lie down in front of bulldozers, and build relationships those who have traumatized us. We have to fix the world. Turns out that, while “God will save every person,” he can’t manage to save the world. We have to do that.
Don’t get me wrong. I think some of the moral ideas I’m this book are laudable. But it rather shocked me that, after such a beautiful book outlining the vision and belief that God will “draw all men to himself,” that is, to Love itself, and the encouragement to trust one’s own experience of the Divine, he then spent almost no time talking about deepening that experience and living authentically, out of trust, hope, and relationship. Instead, he falls prey to the common tendency to demand that others apply their experience of the Divine in exactly the same way he has felt led to do. Rather than continuing to encourage his readers to trust and seek experience with God, and to live out of that - he demands we all live out of his experience and convictions.
I picked this book up in a little bookstore in Ouray, Co. I opened it up and read a random page where the author detailed a situation that I had experienced when I was younger. I flipped to another section and experienced the same thing. I grew up in a fundamentalist, evangelical tradition that was very damaging to me as I struggled in an abusive marriage. This book reminded me of why I left that religion and came to see God as Love. Many of my evangelical friends will see this book as heresy but I wish that they could read it and see that God is bigger than any religion. There are profound lessons for anyone who can see past their teachings and experience for themselves what can be.
Having recently discovered the writings of Philip Gulley, I have been striving to read most of his books. In "If God is Love", Gulley goes beyond the controversial issues related to Christian and biblical theology and examines what Christianity should look like if we truly believed and followed Jesus' message of love.
I do thoroughly enjoy Gulley's writings and insights, and find myself agreeing with nearly every one of his views and faith understandings. I will admit that the picture he paints in this book is certainly an idealistic one. The changes he calls for on a societal, political and governmental level seem, well, impossible to achieve. Still, he makes a convincing argument that this is what Jesus calls for, and what it means to truly bring God's kingdom to earth.
WWJD. “What would Jesus do in a given circumstance? I don’t know, but he seemed to always seek the gracious way.”
Gulley and Mulholland have really done a great job of stretching my mind, helping me to truly understand a new level of grace. So much so that I feel myself putting it into practice, almost without thought at times. Not necessarily thinking what would Jesus do, but thinking more about the power of grace and the freedom that it can bring.
I picked this one up while browsing at a bookstore on vacation. It’s essentially a collection of reflections on the nature of God’s love and the ramifications of adopting a dualistic view of humanity written by two Quaker pastors. It isn’t an argument for the ultimate redemption of all people (I think they dive into that in a previous book) but rather a thought experiment that meanders through different areas of life, asking how a radical view of grace might influence our relationships with loved ones, political enemies, adherents to different religions, etc.
This gave me much to think about. It isn’t terribly well organized and I wouldn’t adopt some of their conclusions, but it was interesting.
I read the authors’ previous book and really enjoyed it. This book delves into universal salvation as the authors ask why would a God who loves humanity unconditionally ban one to “hell”. The authors discourage viewing God as a punitive God (Old Testament God) and challenge the reader to new thoughts that our main purpose is to live in communion with God starting now and to view our time in earth as the beginning eternity. This is definitely a thoughtful read that I would recommend.
This book should be read by everyone. You don’t have to believe in God. I don’t. The only place where I ever saw practiced what is ‘preached’ in this book, was at AA. (Although I’m still sober, I don’t attend meetings anymore because of other reasons.) The respect and non-judging mentality I experienced and saw practiced there - I’ve never seen it anywhere else and I truly believe the world would be so much better for everyone if we all started practicing this for just a tiny bit.
I read this book a part of a discussion group. For those who want to talk about dualism, human bias, LGBTQ acceptance, response to the 9/11 attacks, effects of prosperity ministry and many other discussion worthy topics, this was a good book to get that started. I found myself agreeing with many of the authors points of view yet not everyone shares that.
Thought-provoking discussion of grace from the universalist (where all are saved) versus dualistic theology (we/them approach, a more controlled POV.) A challenging book that requires a second reading.
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the idea that God will redeem everyone, and I may never get there. However I do whole-heartedly agree with the intrinsic value of every human and I loved the challenging and thought provoking conclusions that these authors took me to.
A unique view of universalism in religion and is consistent with what I hold true that no one religion is supreme in its treatment of the world of beliefs.
Very relevant book even today. Written just post 9/11, the discussions about war, revenge, and the example of Jesus could have been written today. Challenges me to live my faith.
After reading Gulley's If the Church Were Christian, I knew I wanted to read the rest of his work. And I'm certainly glad to have found this in my local library.
As someone who also believes that God will "save" all people, it's moving, for me, to have someone showing this side of Christianity. And I think it's important, when Christians are so often associated with anti-intellectuality, homophobia, hypocrisy, judgmental attitudes, and so forth, for someone to show the world that there are those of us who haven't forgotten that, more than anything, Jesus called us to love.
This book is a wonderful work, addressing what it really means to be gracious, what it means to embody the graciousness and loving kindness found in Jesus that we are called to emulate, often in contrast to the way Christianity, and Christians, can so often be so ungracious. I would recommend it to anyone and everyone.
Gulley is quickly becoming one of my favorite authors - I really can't wait to read the rest of what he's written. What he has to say is something that needs to be heard by all - regardless of whether or not you are a Christian, and even if you disagree with the idea of universalism, his work is a reminder to us all that there is more to Christianity than what we see projected out into society. It is a reminder that even though we often see Christianity perceived as something negative and hateful, it can, and is actually meant to be, something beautiful, something positive. And it reminds us, movingly and convincingly, that everything hinges on love...
This book gave me a lot to think about. The book is written by a Quaker who is a Universalist. They claim that this gives people a choice, but when I think of universalism I think that there ends up being no choice but to choose God for everyone. I am hopeful that many, many people will choose to spend eternity to be with God and I believe that God is fair, just, and kind. Part of God's nature is to give us the choice to choose him or not. I believe God will give everyone a fair chance to choose him, without force or coercion, but I believe some will still choose to reject God. The book includes a lot about graciousness to those who are not Christian. I think you can still believe there is not universal salvation and be gracious. Ultimately, it is God who draws people in, not me by force or coercion and I don't believe God uses force or coercion either.
I stated above that the book gave me a lot to think about. It made me ask myself if I needed to be more gracious and how I would live that out. Grace and love shown to all of humanity is important.
This book meant so much to me. For years I have found established religion very confusing and hypocritical from an ethical standpoint. What the authors say confirms everything I have always instictively known about God's love without being force fed dogma as a child. I absolutely went crazy with my highlighter pen. If all Christians alike could read this book and put aside their conditioned teachings of whose ever version of Christianity they learned or grew up with, the common sense of this book would give them such freedom to live their lives as they choose without having to make everyone see their version of Christianity as "the only path" and therefor, deepen their love for humanity as Jesus intended it. I say "Christians", because it is basically about the paradox of being the "Saved" ones and yet not being judgemental. But all organized Religions need to get a clue, so we can live peacefully with each other. Well....that's my humble opinion.. :)
If you believe that there is no hell and that God is more than what evangelical people believe, you are not alone. If you believe that the bible shouldn't be taken literally, I'm with you there as well. A quote from the book jacket says it all: "In a straightforward and thoughtful exploration, pastors Philip Gulley and James Mulholland confront the fear and hate that often characterize the voice of the Church today, and show how far we have drifted from Jesus' message of grace, love and hope. If God Is Love offers a beautiful portrait of the power of love and acceptance, challenging us to a new way of life."
I believe in love and acceptance and that religion is something that should be an inspiration and an offer of love to all people.
After reading several Haven Kimmel books recently and hearing author Philip Gulley speak I developed an interest in the Quaker religion and decided to read some of Gulley's work.
I really like his theology of grace for all and many paths to God. He goes beyond thinking all will be saved in heaven and advocates making this earth as heaven-like as possible.
I did find the book to be rather repetitive. One could read a chapter or two in the beginning of the book and another couple toward the end and have pretty much the whole picure.
This is the second time I've read this book. First time through was for my own personal reading and the second time I read it with a group for discussion. The author(s) stretched my thinking about God and gave me the opportunity to imagine God with limitless boundaries. If you are a conservative Christian thinker you might have a difficult time grappling with the ideas here, but if you let go just a bit of what you think you know to be true, this book can give your faith a boost and help you see God in the way that he sees us.
This book is interesting and I appreciate the honest, open feel of the writing. The book makes a lot of sense to me and the authors' ideas resonate with my beliefs.
BUT, I also think I'm reading this in a fairly superficial way, and I think I'd like to wait and read it either with someone else (or even with a dorky reader's guide list of questions) so I am challenged to think critically and carefully about the ideas being offered. So, I'm setting it back on my "started" list half-read so I can come back later and read it more thoroughly.
Again, this is a re-read while on vacation (paperback and light) . Stretching in that he believes in a 'universal salvation' as he looks at who he understands God to be. It has changed me in that I am attempting to look at the evil in the world (persons who commit atrocities) as ones whom God loves fiercely! And so I want to more quickly think of them as 'loved' versus thoughts of outrage and judgement.
This book brought some of my childhood ideas of God back to life. There are three ideas in this book that are going to be the foundation for Christian education for my daughter. They are: (1)God is Love (2)God loves us unconditionally (3)God wants us to love each other the way He loves us. If these three things speak to you, read the book and learn more.
One of the most amazing theological books I've read in a long time. It really help me think about my ideas and what I believe and put into words the theologically ideas I've been thinking.
If you are tired of the "damn-you-all-to-hell" rhetoric of mainstream Christianity, and truly believe all people are children of God, then this is the book for you!