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Extra Nos: Discovering Grace outside Myself
GRAMMY®-nominated and Stellar Award-winning hip-hop artist FLAME invites you to step up to his mic as he takes you through his life, from the streets of Saint Louis, Missouri, as a young man in youth group to a renowned Christian rapper on the red carpet. Read how God continually pushed FLAME in his faith journey, striving to find the path that God wanted him to take, no matter where it took him, and the obstacles he faced. Get an insider perspective into his songwriting and the theology in the lyrics. Discover rich Christian history and how the breadth of Christian theology from prior generations is still widely applicable today. Most importantly, as FLAME tells his story of kick-starting his career, experiencing different Christian denominations, going to seminary school, and ultimately finding Lutheranism, readers will see God in their life and the ways He calls them back to Him and will be inspired in their faith to see how God is working extra nos - outside of ourselves.
"For evidence that Lutheranism is the kind of Christianity that has the most relevance today, read FLAME's Extra Nos . With a rapper's mastery of language. . . he offers the best refutation of Reformed theology I have ever come across-not just by argument but by experience." -Gene Edward Veith, author of The Spirituality of the Cross
" Extra Nos is at once personal and accessible, honest and generous, fresh and faithful, unorthodox and confessional." -Dr. Joel P. Okamoto, Waldemar and Mary Griesbach Professor of Systematic Theology, Concordia Seminary, St. Louis
"All those who have ever wondered about the practical relevance of doctrine for "real life" need only to read and learn from FLAME." -Rev. Dr. Joel Biermann, professor of systematic theology, Concordia Seminary, St. Louis.
"For evidence that Lutheranism is the kind of Christianity that has the most relevance today, read FLAME's Extra Nos . With a rapper's mastery of language. . . he offers the best refutation of Reformed theology I have ever come across-not just by argument but by experience." -Gene Edward Veith, author of The Spirituality of the Cross
" Extra Nos is at once personal and accessible, honest and generous, fresh and faithful, unorthodox and confessional." -Dr. Joel P. Okamoto, Waldemar and Mary Griesbach Professor of Systematic Theology, Concordia Seminary, St. Louis
"All those who have ever wondered about the practical relevance of doctrine for "real life" need only to read and learn from FLAME." -Rev. Dr. Joel Biermann, professor of systematic theology, Concordia Seminary, St. Louis.
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Published July 20, 2023
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July 25, 2023
Bad theology hurts people.
I often find myself trying to explain this to people who have been raised with solid Biblical theology and sometimes they don't quite get it. Well-written and gripping from beginning to end, FLAME tells the story of someone who experienced the hurt and frustration of living with bad theology, and the sweet relief of discovering the Gospel: God's grace is given to us and we can look outside of ourselves for that comfort and assurance.
This book had me laughing at parts and crying at others. I 100% recommend it.
A favorite quote:
"I've never felt so armed against the flesh and the devil. In fact, feelings no longer led the charge. They can ebb and flow as much as they want. No longer do I search for assurance in my ability to keep God's perfect standard. I do not rely on my mind's ability to drum up it's best cognitive recall of what Jesus did for me and my proper mental appreciation of it. No longer am I threatened by adverbs asking if I "really," "genuinely," or "sincerely" believe. No longer am I confused by arbitrary measures to judge my performance on any given day." (pages 124-125)
I often find myself trying to explain this to people who have been raised with solid Biblical theology and sometimes they don't quite get it. Well-written and gripping from beginning to end, FLAME tells the story of someone who experienced the hurt and frustration of living with bad theology, and the sweet relief of discovering the Gospel: God's grace is given to us and we can look outside of ourselves for that comfort and assurance.
This book had me laughing at parts and crying at others. I 100% recommend it.
A favorite quote:
"I've never felt so armed against the flesh and the devil. In fact, feelings no longer led the charge. They can ebb and flow as much as they want. No longer do I search for assurance in my ability to keep God's perfect standard. I do not rely on my mind's ability to drum up it's best cognitive recall of what Jesus did for me and my proper mental appreciation of it. No longer am I threatened by adverbs asking if I "really," "genuinely," or "sincerely" believe. No longer am I confused by arbitrary measures to judge my performance on any given day." (pages 124-125)
December 31, 2023
It was a pleasure to read the story and reflections from an old classmate. I’m immensely grateful for the journey that God has brought him on so far and the work that he has done to communicate these gospel truths to others.
September 16, 2023
"How did a German man [Martin Luther] get such an African American name?"
"I wasn't sure what all it took to be 'saved.'"
"Put that on my tombstone: 'Flame took Jesus' words literally.'"
Excellent book.
Writing with layman's terminology and speaking simply to his fellow people, Flame describes his journey from a reformed, Baptist, Calvanistic faith to a Lutheran understanding of Scripture and salvation through grace alone.
I appreciate that Flame doesn't wait to teach the correct theology until he discovers it, but teaches the true scriptural theology in contrast to what he was hearing at the time. In this way, he reaches readers quickly with the truth and doesn't lead them astray by attempting to create suspense.
Really well done.
"I wasn't sure what all it took to be 'saved.'"
"Put that on my tombstone: 'Flame took Jesus' words literally.'"
Excellent book.
Writing with layman's terminology and speaking simply to his fellow people, Flame describes his journey from a reformed, Baptist, Calvanistic faith to a Lutheran understanding of Scripture and salvation through grace alone.
I appreciate that Flame doesn't wait to teach the correct theology until he discovers it, but teaches the true scriptural theology in contrast to what he was hearing at the time. In this way, he reaches readers quickly with the truth and doesn't lead them astray by attempting to create suspense.
Really well done.
July 22, 2023
A very fun read. Flame gives a quick overview of his life as he progresses through different denominations and the struggles he faced. Flame does a great job Introducing Lutheran theology and makes important distinctions of what it is and what it is not.
My favorite quote from the book “There is a temptation to put one Scripture passage against the other as if one will cancel the other one out. That’s the wrong thing to do. The Bible does not contradict itself. The Bible is consistent with itself and is in full harmony of thought and theology. From Genesis to Revelation, there are no contradictions. Therefore, we must ask ‘How do we harmonize these two texts?’ Not ‘let’s pick one and unleash a nuclear attack on the other.’ This means the thief on the cross was saved by hearing Jesus’ words of promise the same way a person trusts in Jesus’ words of promise through His other means.”
My favorite quote from the book “There is a temptation to put one Scripture passage against the other as if one will cancel the other one out. That’s the wrong thing to do. The Bible does not contradict itself. The Bible is consistent with itself and is in full harmony of thought and theology. From Genesis to Revelation, there are no contradictions. Therefore, we must ask ‘How do we harmonize these two texts?’ Not ‘let’s pick one and unleash a nuclear attack on the other.’ This means the thief on the cross was saved by hearing Jesus’ words of promise the same way a person trusts in Jesus’ words of promise through His other means.”
February 5, 2024
I've got to admit that I was pretty skeptical at first. Seeing Flame all across social media had always given me the impression that there was something forced about the sudden emergence of an African American hip hop artist in Lutheran circles. I'd appreciated his music as a positive alternative option for those who appreciate the hip hop genre but didn't know much about him.
What Extra Nos provides is the narrative journey Flame underwent from a reformed Baptist background (much like one I experienced) and the journey into Lutheranism. Much of it mirrored my own personal experience, and I suppose there was a lot of comfort and joy in knowing that I wasn't the only one who made the transition for similar reasons. However, there is more than simple comfort. Towards the back half of the book, Flame shows the depth of doctrine and the impact it has and understanding the Christian faith and the paradosis. Doctrine in this case is constantly remembered as not something dead, but the link to the historic Christian faith we are privileged and blessed to continue to share today.
Extra Nos is a beneficial book for any age, but would seem very suitable for high school and up to help understand the benefit of the doctrine and the importance of not going after whatever seems flashy and appealing in the world today. It would also be a good book to recommend to those who are struggling to understand the importance of Lutheran identity in the world today. Too often, pastors can be faulted for being "company men" for the LCMS. What this book provides is an authentic representation of someone who values the doctrine as a source of security in their salvation that is readily accessible for anyone to read and wrestle with.
What Extra Nos provides is the narrative journey Flame underwent from a reformed Baptist background (much like one I experienced) and the journey into Lutheranism. Much of it mirrored my own personal experience, and I suppose there was a lot of comfort and joy in knowing that I wasn't the only one who made the transition for similar reasons. However, there is more than simple comfort. Towards the back half of the book, Flame shows the depth of doctrine and the impact it has and understanding the Christian faith and the paradosis. Doctrine in this case is constantly remembered as not something dead, but the link to the historic Christian faith we are privileged and blessed to continue to share today.
Extra Nos is a beneficial book for any age, but would seem very suitable for high school and up to help understand the benefit of the doctrine and the importance of not going after whatever seems flashy and appealing in the world today. It would also be a good book to recommend to those who are struggling to understand the importance of Lutheran identity in the world today. Too often, pastors can be faulted for being "company men" for the LCMS. What this book provides is an authentic representation of someone who values the doctrine as a source of security in their salvation that is readily accessible for anyone to read and wrestle with.
May 5, 2024
4.5
Listen to the audiobook; it’s delightful hearing this in the author’s words! It provides a good summary of Lutheran thought, especially in comparison to Reformed teaching. As someone who has been pretty steeped in Lutheran teaching for a while, there wasn’t anything too surprising to be learned, but it was a great overview and I appreciated getting more perspective on Reformed beliefs.
I do wish the audiobook had been more carefully produced. On Spotify at least, there were multiple times that there were long pauses, repeats, or glitchy words.
Listen to the audiobook; it’s delightful hearing this in the author’s words! It provides a good summary of Lutheran thought, especially in comparison to Reformed teaching. As someone who has been pretty steeped in Lutheran teaching for a while, there wasn’t anything too surprising to be learned, but it was a great overview and I appreciated getting more perspective on Reformed beliefs.
I do wish the audiobook had been more carefully produced. On Spotify at least, there were multiple times that there were long pauses, repeats, or glitchy words.
August 21, 2024
I've been a fan of Flame for quite awhile, and I'm actually pretty confident that I've listened to all of his songs. I also share his love for Saint Louis and have some proximity to things he's been involved in here. As a Presbyterian, I also have a lot of respect for the Lutheran tradition. All that to say, I really wanted to like this book, and really wish I could.
I love Flame's passion here - it's what first made me love his music. I'm genuinely glad for his theological discoveries, his growth in Christ, his enthusiasm for Lutheranism, and for rooting himself in a tradition that goes farther than most modern Evangelical culture does. I also love that he read the audiobook himself, and for some of the funny ways he describes things and illustrates his points.
However, the book largely fell flat for me for 5 reasons.
1. Doing too much. Flame obviously intends for this book to be 1) a personal memoir of how he came to the Lutheran church, 2) a biblical explanation for Lutheranism, and 3) a polemic against the Reformed Baptist and Pentecostal traditions. It may be possible that a book can do all 3, but it’d have to be pretty long. Though it does make some internal coherent sense under the idea of discovering “extra nos,” it feels like in trying to do all 3, it doesn’t do any exceptionally well.
2. Mistaking culture for theology. This is a big problem, and I’m not sure many that aren’t familiar with these theological streams could see it. Throughout the book, Flame critiques Calvinism repeatedly. However, it becomes clear that, while Flame claims to be criticizing Calvinism itself, he’s really just criticizing Reformed Baptist theology; actually, sometimes it’s not even Reformed Baptist theology proper that he’s criticizing, but the particular culture of Reformed Baptism that he had experience with. In critiquing “Calvinism,” it’s interesting that he rarely quotes or even refers to Reformed theology outside of baptists. If Flame has read and understands covenant theology (which he might), he certainly doesn’t show it. This shows up in several places throughout the book
He critiques the infrequent celebration of the Lord’s Supper in Calvinist churches, as opposed to Lutheran churches that celebrate every week. However, most conservative Presbyterian churches celebrate the Lord’s Supper every week.
In several places he sets up the Lutheran “Real Presence” view of the Lord’s Supper against the memorialist view as if these are the only two possibilities of belief - little to nothing is said of the Reformed “real presence” view. This is particularly interesting because memorialist views are distinctly not Reformed theology.
He speaks well of the goodness of the everyday stuff in God’s world (vs. the “spiritual stuff”), like cars and work and beaches. He does this in critiquing “Calvinism,” which he says has a “less than” view of these things. But that is a very niche fundamentalist view that may (emphasis on may) describe some segments of the Reformed Baptist world. But the Neocalvinists (particularly of the Dutch strain) gave more weight to Flame’s views than any other tradition.
In one or two places he explicitly says “Calvinists (Reformed Baptists in my experience)” before going on to critique Calvinism. I wish he would have just aimed this at 21st century American Reformed Baptist theology and culture instead of explicitly aiming at the whole Reformed tradition itself. It would have made the book seem more niche (which it very much is) but it would be much more successful. I do wonder what Flame’s experience might be if he had went to Covenant Seminary in STL, and experienced a wider tradition of Calvinism, instead of Concordia.
3. Overstating the differences between Luther and Calvin (and, probably, their theological traditions). I just don’t think that many of his distinctions between the theologians and their followers here holds weight. Consider his main point, that he discovered grace extra nos in the Lutheran tradition. Even the phrase “extra nos” is used just as prominently in Calvin as it is in Luther. In the Institutes (Bk 3, ch. 14, sec. 9) Calvin uses the phrase in virtually the same way as Luther did.
Further, he says that Luther told people to look outside of themselves and their works for their assurance, that they should look outside of themselves instead. He sets this against Calvin, who he says told people to look to their works for assurance. The problem is that this is a flimsy distinction when you actually look at the writing of both authors. They may write in different ways about assurance in some places, but arrive at the same place; any distinction is a distinction without a difference.
Consider this quote: "Therefore, let him who would proceed safely and prove himself a Christian remember to prove himself such by his deeds and works." After reading Flame’s book, one would assume that Calvin wrote it. However, that’s a quote from Martin Luther’s commentary on 1 John 3:18.
There was also a sharp distinction made in Flame’s book that Luther believed that our post-baptism works are for neighbor, and that there is no Godward direction to them, whereas Calvinsts are busy doing works for God and to prove their faith. While I love the Lutheran emphasis on neighbor love in our works, Luther clearly still had a place for works being toward God. From his preface to John’s epistles, he says, "So it keeps us in the true middle way, that we may become righteous and free from sin through faith, and afterwards, when we are righteous, practice good works and love for God’s sake, freely and without seeking anything."
4. Lightweight arguments. Probably in part because of #1 above, many arguments in this book feel lightweight upon any scrutiny. Flame frequently accuses Calvin and Calvinists of speculation in theology. He doesn’t give a precise definition of this, instead just saying that Luther preferred to leave it at what scripture said. While there is some truth to this, I’m thinking it’s more because of how the two figures functioned in history. On another level, the idea that Luther never engaged in speculation is silly considering his views and statements about antisemitism, astrology, and the end times. There is a difference between speculative theology that is done by the “good and necessary consequence” of scripture, per the Westminster Confession, and that which is done completely out of bounds of it. While there may be some of that in Flame’s experience with Reformed Baptists, it’s not a feature of Reformed theology.
Indeed, Flame frequently uses accusations of “speculation” and “mental gymnastics” against Calvinists. The issues dealt with in soteriology and some of the other theological issues discussed involve many scriptures. According to Flame, when Calvinists harmonize scriptures in leaning toward those that clearly explain their theological position, it is speculation; when Lutherans do it, it is good hermeneutics - the crux for which is which seems to be whether Flame likes the result or not. In seeking answers to these theological questions, we must do justice to the texts in context, as well as come up with the answer that best explains the broad Biblical picture. Flame does not do that here, instead throwing low-hanging accusations of mental gymnastics and speculation that could be launched by either side.
This is most clearly seen in his explanation of how 1 John actually is not telling us to find assurance in good works. He broadly appeals to the context of proto-gnosticism, and the reader is to assume that this somehow should tell us that 1 John 3 isn’t telling us how to find assurance. This is something that, as quoted earlier, Martin Luther rightly and explicitly would deny. Flame’s better option is to look to your baptism for assurance, which is God’s work, and not yours. Of course, Flame said you can reject your baptism by walking away from God’s grace. There are some obvious unaddressed questions here - if you walk away from your baptism by your sinful works, aren’t you still looking to your works to see if you are assured of faith? How is this not just putting the middleman of baptism into the non-Lutheran view of assurance? If the end is “look to your baptism, but you may reject your baptism by not loving your neighbor and doing bad works, and you can tell that by looking at your works” then what are we even talking about here?
5. Cage Stage Lutheranism. There is certainly a culture of “cage stage Calvinism” in reformed circles - wanting to prove everyone wrong (sometimes arrogantly), identifying with your tradition over and against the broader church, majoring in the minors, lack of addressing broader historical theology. I think that is behind many of Flame’s critiques, and some of it is fair. However, it seems like he simply carried this into Lutheranism. He compares leaving Calvinism to leaving a cult. While displaying some appreciation for former teachers, he explicitly criticized them for not explaining very particular Lutheran theology. He has dedicated his entire ministry for the last several years to arguing for his particular theological strain over and against all others. He’s written songs with lines dissing baptists, pentecostals, and presbyterians. While much of this is done with humor, wit, and an attempt at explaining his opponents views accurately, I can’t help but wonder whether this is simply a second-wave cage stage. For all his critiques of the closed-offedness of the RB’s, he joined with a denomination that generally doesn’t allow those outside of their church, and those with their particular view of the Lord’s Supper, to come to the table. Say what you will about Reformed baptist culture, but I’ve never been to a baptist or presbyterian church where I haven’t been welcome to come to the Lord’s Supper. I have also never prayed that anyone would come to agree with the particulars of my secondary theological positions as Flame seems to do at the end of the book. Of course, I don’t think denominations are bad, and I think theological discussion and disagreement on non-core issues is good, but there is a way of doing that in love and unity and a way of doing that which overemphasizes secondary disagreements and and disunity.
So for those reasons, this book fell flat for me. But I do hope the best for Flame, will keep up with his music, and I hope that Lutheranism continues to bless his walk with the Lord.
I love Flame's passion here - it's what first made me love his music. I'm genuinely glad for his theological discoveries, his growth in Christ, his enthusiasm for Lutheranism, and for rooting himself in a tradition that goes farther than most modern Evangelical culture does. I also love that he read the audiobook himself, and for some of the funny ways he describes things and illustrates his points.
However, the book largely fell flat for me for 5 reasons.
1. Doing too much. Flame obviously intends for this book to be 1) a personal memoir of how he came to the Lutheran church, 2) a biblical explanation for Lutheranism, and 3) a polemic against the Reformed Baptist and Pentecostal traditions. It may be possible that a book can do all 3, but it’d have to be pretty long. Though it does make some internal coherent sense under the idea of discovering “extra nos,” it feels like in trying to do all 3, it doesn’t do any exceptionally well.
2. Mistaking culture for theology. This is a big problem, and I’m not sure many that aren’t familiar with these theological streams could see it. Throughout the book, Flame critiques Calvinism repeatedly. However, it becomes clear that, while Flame claims to be criticizing Calvinism itself, he’s really just criticizing Reformed Baptist theology; actually, sometimes it’s not even Reformed Baptist theology proper that he’s criticizing, but the particular culture of Reformed Baptism that he had experience with. In critiquing “Calvinism,” it’s interesting that he rarely quotes or even refers to Reformed theology outside of baptists. If Flame has read and understands covenant theology (which he might), he certainly doesn’t show it. This shows up in several places throughout the book
He critiques the infrequent celebration of the Lord’s Supper in Calvinist churches, as opposed to Lutheran churches that celebrate every week. However, most conservative Presbyterian churches celebrate the Lord’s Supper every week.
In several places he sets up the Lutheran “Real Presence” view of the Lord’s Supper against the memorialist view as if these are the only two possibilities of belief - little to nothing is said of the Reformed “real presence” view. This is particularly interesting because memorialist views are distinctly not Reformed theology.
He speaks well of the goodness of the everyday stuff in God’s world (vs. the “spiritual stuff”), like cars and work and beaches. He does this in critiquing “Calvinism,” which he says has a “less than” view of these things. But that is a very niche fundamentalist view that may (emphasis on may) describe some segments of the Reformed Baptist world. But the Neocalvinists (particularly of the Dutch strain) gave more weight to Flame’s views than any other tradition.
In one or two places he explicitly says “Calvinists (Reformed Baptists in my experience)” before going on to critique Calvinism. I wish he would have just aimed this at 21st century American Reformed Baptist theology and culture instead of explicitly aiming at the whole Reformed tradition itself. It would have made the book seem more niche (which it very much is) but it would be much more successful. I do wonder what Flame’s experience might be if he had went to Covenant Seminary in STL, and experienced a wider tradition of Calvinism, instead of Concordia.
3. Overstating the differences between Luther and Calvin (and, probably, their theological traditions). I just don’t think that many of his distinctions between the theologians and their followers here holds weight. Consider his main point, that he discovered grace extra nos in the Lutheran tradition. Even the phrase “extra nos” is used just as prominently in Calvin as it is in Luther. In the Institutes (Bk 3, ch. 14, sec. 9) Calvin uses the phrase in virtually the same way as Luther did.
Further, he says that Luther told people to look outside of themselves and their works for their assurance, that they should look outside of themselves instead. He sets this against Calvin, who he says told people to look to their works for assurance. The problem is that this is a flimsy distinction when you actually look at the writing of both authors. They may write in different ways about assurance in some places, but arrive at the same place; any distinction is a distinction without a difference.
Consider this quote: "Therefore, let him who would proceed safely and prove himself a Christian remember to prove himself such by his deeds and works." After reading Flame’s book, one would assume that Calvin wrote it. However, that’s a quote from Martin Luther’s commentary on 1 John 3:18.
There was also a sharp distinction made in Flame’s book that Luther believed that our post-baptism works are for neighbor, and that there is no Godward direction to them, whereas Calvinsts are busy doing works for God and to prove their faith. While I love the Lutheran emphasis on neighbor love in our works, Luther clearly still had a place for works being toward God. From his preface to John’s epistles, he says, "So it keeps us in the true middle way, that we may become righteous and free from sin through faith, and afterwards, when we are righteous, practice good works and love for God’s sake, freely and without seeking anything."
4. Lightweight arguments. Probably in part because of #1 above, many arguments in this book feel lightweight upon any scrutiny. Flame frequently accuses Calvin and Calvinists of speculation in theology. He doesn’t give a precise definition of this, instead just saying that Luther preferred to leave it at what scripture said. While there is some truth to this, I’m thinking it’s more because of how the two figures functioned in history. On another level, the idea that Luther never engaged in speculation is silly considering his views and statements about antisemitism, astrology, and the end times. There is a difference between speculative theology that is done by the “good and necessary consequence” of scripture, per the Westminster Confession, and that which is done completely out of bounds of it. While there may be some of that in Flame’s experience with Reformed Baptists, it’s not a feature of Reformed theology.
Indeed, Flame frequently uses accusations of “speculation” and “mental gymnastics” against Calvinists. The issues dealt with in soteriology and some of the other theological issues discussed involve many scriptures. According to Flame, when Calvinists harmonize scriptures in leaning toward those that clearly explain their theological position, it is speculation; when Lutherans do it, it is good hermeneutics - the crux for which is which seems to be whether Flame likes the result or not. In seeking answers to these theological questions, we must do justice to the texts in context, as well as come up with the answer that best explains the broad Biblical picture. Flame does not do that here, instead throwing low-hanging accusations of mental gymnastics and speculation that could be launched by either side.
This is most clearly seen in his explanation of how 1 John actually is not telling us to find assurance in good works. He broadly appeals to the context of proto-gnosticism, and the reader is to assume that this somehow should tell us that 1 John 3 isn’t telling us how to find assurance. This is something that, as quoted earlier, Martin Luther rightly and explicitly would deny. Flame’s better option is to look to your baptism for assurance, which is God’s work, and not yours. Of course, Flame said you can reject your baptism by walking away from God’s grace. There are some obvious unaddressed questions here - if you walk away from your baptism by your sinful works, aren’t you still looking to your works to see if you are assured of faith? How is this not just putting the middleman of baptism into the non-Lutheran view of assurance? If the end is “look to your baptism, but you may reject your baptism by not loving your neighbor and doing bad works, and you can tell that by looking at your works” then what are we even talking about here?
5. Cage Stage Lutheranism. There is certainly a culture of “cage stage Calvinism” in reformed circles - wanting to prove everyone wrong (sometimes arrogantly), identifying with your tradition over and against the broader church, majoring in the minors, lack of addressing broader historical theology. I think that is behind many of Flame’s critiques, and some of it is fair. However, it seems like he simply carried this into Lutheranism. He compares leaving Calvinism to leaving a cult. While displaying some appreciation for former teachers, he explicitly criticized them for not explaining very particular Lutheran theology. He has dedicated his entire ministry for the last several years to arguing for his particular theological strain over and against all others. He’s written songs with lines dissing baptists, pentecostals, and presbyterians. While much of this is done with humor, wit, and an attempt at explaining his opponents views accurately, I can’t help but wonder whether this is simply a second-wave cage stage. For all his critiques of the closed-offedness of the RB’s, he joined with a denomination that generally doesn’t allow those outside of their church, and those with their particular view of the Lord’s Supper, to come to the table. Say what you will about Reformed baptist culture, but I’ve never been to a baptist or presbyterian church where I haven’t been welcome to come to the Lord’s Supper. I have also never prayed that anyone would come to agree with the particulars of my secondary theological positions as Flame seems to do at the end of the book. Of course, I don’t think denominations are bad, and I think theological discussion and disagreement on non-core issues is good, but there is a way of doing that in love and unity and a way of doing that which overemphasizes secondary disagreements and and disunity.
So for those reasons, this book fell flat for me. But I do hope the best for Flame, will keep up with his music, and I hope that Lutheranism continues to bless his walk with the Lord.
July 16, 2023
Surprisingly Excellent and Fascinating account of a Surprising Faith Journey!!
Within the realm of Confessional Lutheran books in general and those published by Concordia Publishing House (the publishing arm of The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod) in particular, one rarely finds a book by a rapper or that gives a positive light on rapping; but this book is truly unique and deserves to be read and recommended quite broadly!!
I was captivated by the books promo (even though I tend to read all CPH books anyway); but admit I was taken aback in the initial pages ... did I really want to read a book about a rapper and his experience of faith (the struggle between Calvinism and Armenianism, with some Luther anime on top like icing on a cake)?! Boy, was I wrong!! I am so glad this initial pages were intriguing (as was the entire book) and compelled me to keep reading!! This is truly a fascinating account of a man's spiritual journey simply trying to figure out which expression of Christianity is true to Scripture and will yield the truest and most helpful connection to Christ! Like many journeys there are mis-steps, snares, deceptive directions, and lots of guys wrenching decline along the journey!! In the end Flames journey is an a par with Gene Viernes excellent "The Spirituality of the Cross: The Way of the First Evangelicals"!! Flames account is guttural and visceral even as it is a beautiful testimony of true faith! God's love in Christ freely given to save and daily cleanse us entirely is laid out most helpfully!
So whether you are a pastor in need of fresh ways to connect the Gospel to today's hearers; or a life-long church member who still has doubts; or someone new to the faith trying to figure Christianity out; or someone deeply committed to either Calvinism or Armenian is m yet willing to wrestle honestly with Scripture; or even if you like reading anything about a rapper... I highly recommend this book to you!! Read it prayerfully and carefully; you'll be glad you did!!!
Within the realm of Confessional Lutheran books in general and those published by Concordia Publishing House (the publishing arm of The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod) in particular, one rarely finds a book by a rapper or that gives a positive light on rapping; but this book is truly unique and deserves to be read and recommended quite broadly!!
I was captivated by the books promo (even though I tend to read all CPH books anyway); but admit I was taken aback in the initial pages ... did I really want to read a book about a rapper and his experience of faith (the struggle between Calvinism and Armenianism, with some Luther anime on top like icing on a cake)?! Boy, was I wrong!! I am so glad this initial pages were intriguing (as was the entire book) and compelled me to keep reading!! This is truly a fascinating account of a man's spiritual journey simply trying to figure out which expression of Christianity is true to Scripture and will yield the truest and most helpful connection to Christ! Like many journeys there are mis-steps, snares, deceptive directions, and lots of guys wrenching decline along the journey!! In the end Flames journey is an a par with Gene Viernes excellent "The Spirituality of the Cross: The Way of the First Evangelicals"!! Flames account is guttural and visceral even as it is a beautiful testimony of true faith! God's love in Christ freely given to save and daily cleanse us entirely is laid out most helpfully!
So whether you are a pastor in need of fresh ways to connect the Gospel to today's hearers; or a life-long church member who still has doubts; or someone new to the faith trying to figure Christianity out; or someone deeply committed to either Calvinism or Armenian is m yet willing to wrestle honestly with Scripture; or even if you like reading anything about a rapper... I highly recommend this book to you!! Read it prayerfully and carefully; you'll be glad you did!!!
August 12, 2023
Extra good!
Note: I purchased the audiobook version, read by the author.
I very much enjoyed listening to Flame’s account of his Christian faith journey, from youth through adulthood, especially how his understanding grew and deepened over time as other believers walked beside him.
I enjoyed his compelling rap lyrics on aspects of faith, theology, and the historical church. He really packs a lot of meaning in few words!
Flame is thoughtful, gracious, and honest throughout about his Christian experience—including times of questioning and doubts. It was encouraging to hear how through it all, he continued to study the Word of God, deeply desiring to increase his understanding.
The reading style was warm, personal, expressive, and easy to listen to.
Recommended for long-time believers, new converts, and especially those who aren’t sure if they believe in God at all. Flame will make you think!
Note: I purchased the audiobook version, read by the author.
I very much enjoyed listening to Flame’s account of his Christian faith journey, from youth through adulthood, especially how his understanding grew and deepened over time as other believers walked beside him.
I enjoyed his compelling rap lyrics on aspects of faith, theology, and the historical church. He really packs a lot of meaning in few words!
Flame is thoughtful, gracious, and honest throughout about his Christian experience—including times of questioning and doubts. It was encouraging to hear how through it all, he continued to study the Word of God, deeply desiring to increase his understanding.
The reading style was warm, personal, expressive, and easy to listen to.
Recommended for long-time believers, new converts, and especially those who aren’t sure if they believe in God at all. Flame will make you think!
September 5, 2023
Well-known Christian rapper and hip hop artist Flame is also a seminary-educated theologian. In this book he traces his journey from the charismatic/prosperity movement, to Calvinism/Reformed Baptist to Lutheran Church Missouri Synod (Ancient church practices as preserved in Lutheran teaching). As my journey has had an almost identical trajectory, this book and his podcast Extra Nos Academy have been very encouraging for me. And it's just a great read!
July 30, 2023
I enjoyed this book so much. Flame explains his journey to Lutheranism so well. Even as a life-long Lutheran I struggle with some of the same doubts and fears that he did as a reformed Baptist and this book was a great reminder of my assured salvation. Everyone needs to read this!
October 9, 2023
When The Lutheran Ladies' Lounge podcast announced this as the pick for their next (online) bookclub read, I wasn't sure what to expect. I had heard quite a few references to FLAME, but as rap is not a music genre that particularly appeals to me, the extent I really knew was that FLAME is a Lutheran rapper. Leading up to and following his book release, interviews began popping up on various Lutheran podcasts, many of which I listen to, so by the time I opened the book, I had learned more of his story and was curious to hear the rest of how he ended up a Lutheran from being Calvinist/Reformed Baptist for nearly two decades, after being raised in a Charismatic church.
What I liked about Extra Nos:
Rich in theology, yet accessible - FLAME's education certainly shines in his writing. He is secure in his theology and writes with confidence in what he believes. Despite the fact that he holds a master's degree in theology, he never talks down to his readers. He shares his faith journey in a way that is easy to read and digest.
Honest but never preachy - In his quest to explore his faith, FLAME is incredibly open about his personal struggles with the theology to which he initially subscribed. Furthermore, he is never ungracious or judgmental of his former beliefs, but is forthright, thoughtful, introspective, and appreciatively cautious in his exploration, seeking answers to difficult questions, unafraid to find he had previously held beliefs that did not match what he read in his Bible. FLAME doesn't try to sell you on Lutheranism, but rather shows you how he looked for places for Lutheran doctrine to fall short when scrutinized against the Bible, and admitting that he couldn't find any. Are Lutherans perfect? Absolutely not. Having sound doctrine does not mean sinless Christians fill the pews, just that we are given the gifts God intends for us to receive as we move through this veil of tears toward eternal life.
Interesting perspective - I have no personal experience with practicing other Christian traditions. I have attended Anglican, Episcopal, Baptist, and Roman Catholic services, but I'm a cradle Lutheran. The process of watching someone move toward Lutheran doctrine because where they came from wasn't giving them what they craved from their relationship with God provided me with a perspective that is critical for me to understand. I can read about the theology of other traditions, but that doesn't illuminate the struggles someone might feel from within those traditions the way that FLAME does here. I don't think I truly understood how incorrect doctrine can damage a person, leaving them wanting in their faith to the point of potentially walking away from it, until I read what FLAME so vulnerably shared in his writing.
What I didn't care for:
There isn't anything that left me feeling critical - FLAME expresses himself well. What he shares is personal to his journey, so there is very little one can claim to be untrue or misleading about his sharing of that experience. The theology he shares on Lutheranism is spot on (and he's more educated on it than I am, because I sure don't have a master's degree, only 46 years of living it and continuing to grow in my own faith).
It is gratifying, as a Lutheran, to have someone from outside my tradition find their way here by deep consideration and diligent study of the Scriptures. The things I know and believe have been with me since the womb, and there are times one must question if what one believes is blind acceptance or if it is truly as one is taught: Lutheranism holds tightly to Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone). To have someone share his very personal story of struggling with other theology that contradicted what he was reading in God's Word, leaving him feeling drained and discouraged and uncertain of his standing with God, and having his journey lead him to a tradition that was based solidly in what the Bible says, as he examined doctrine and held it up to Biblical scrutiny, was a testimony to me likely in a way that would be very different than it might speak to someone reading this from outside the Lutheran tradition.
This is a book I am grateful he wrote, appreciative that I was compelled to read it when I might not have otherwise, and thankful to have this book shelved in my personal library at the ready to share with anyone I may encounter who expresses similar discouragement in their faith practices.
If you're curious about what Lutherans believe, if you're wondering what would lead someone with a background as a Charismatic and a Reformed Baptist to find their home in the Lutheran church with such conviction, if you're grappling with the theology you're finding in your own church, this book is worth the read. If you're a Lutheran who wonders if what you believe is Biblical, or you lack confidence in understanding with compassion the struggles of someone outside the Lutheran church, this book is worth a read. If you think Lutheranism is for white people of German heritage who are of a certain age, and that there's no room here for other skin colors and ethnicities, this book is worth a read. In fact, no matter who you are, I think FLAME's book is worth the read.
What I liked about Extra Nos:
Rich in theology, yet accessible - FLAME's education certainly shines in his writing. He is secure in his theology and writes with confidence in what he believes. Despite the fact that he holds a master's degree in theology, he never talks down to his readers. He shares his faith journey in a way that is easy to read and digest.
Honest but never preachy - In his quest to explore his faith, FLAME is incredibly open about his personal struggles with the theology to which he initially subscribed. Furthermore, he is never ungracious or judgmental of his former beliefs, but is forthright, thoughtful, introspective, and appreciatively cautious in his exploration, seeking answers to difficult questions, unafraid to find he had previously held beliefs that did not match what he read in his Bible. FLAME doesn't try to sell you on Lutheranism, but rather shows you how he looked for places for Lutheran doctrine to fall short when scrutinized against the Bible, and admitting that he couldn't find any. Are Lutherans perfect? Absolutely not. Having sound doctrine does not mean sinless Christians fill the pews, just that we are given the gifts God intends for us to receive as we move through this veil of tears toward eternal life.
Interesting perspective - I have no personal experience with practicing other Christian traditions. I have attended Anglican, Episcopal, Baptist, and Roman Catholic services, but I'm a cradle Lutheran. The process of watching someone move toward Lutheran doctrine because where they came from wasn't giving them what they craved from their relationship with God provided me with a perspective that is critical for me to understand. I can read about the theology of other traditions, but that doesn't illuminate the struggles someone might feel from within those traditions the way that FLAME does here. I don't think I truly understood how incorrect doctrine can damage a person, leaving them wanting in their faith to the point of potentially walking away from it, until I read what FLAME so vulnerably shared in his writing.
What I didn't care for:
There isn't anything that left me feeling critical - FLAME expresses himself well. What he shares is personal to his journey, so there is very little one can claim to be untrue or misleading about his sharing of that experience. The theology he shares on Lutheranism is spot on (and he's more educated on it than I am, because I sure don't have a master's degree, only 46 years of living it and continuing to grow in my own faith).
It is gratifying, as a Lutheran, to have someone from outside my tradition find their way here by deep consideration and diligent study of the Scriptures. The things I know and believe have been with me since the womb, and there are times one must question if what one believes is blind acceptance or if it is truly as one is taught: Lutheranism holds tightly to Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone). To have someone share his very personal story of struggling with other theology that contradicted what he was reading in God's Word, leaving him feeling drained and discouraged and uncertain of his standing with God, and having his journey lead him to a tradition that was based solidly in what the Bible says, as he examined doctrine and held it up to Biblical scrutiny, was a testimony to me likely in a way that would be very different than it might speak to someone reading this from outside the Lutheran tradition.
This is a book I am grateful he wrote, appreciative that I was compelled to read it when I might not have otherwise, and thankful to have this book shelved in my personal library at the ready to share with anyone I may encounter who expresses similar discouragement in their faith practices.
If you're curious about what Lutherans believe, if you're wondering what would lead someone with a background as a Charismatic and a Reformed Baptist to find their home in the Lutheran church with such conviction, if you're grappling with the theology you're finding in your own church, this book is worth the read. If you're a Lutheran who wonders if what you believe is Biblical, or you lack confidence in understanding with compassion the struggles of someone outside the Lutheran church, this book is worth a read. If you think Lutheranism is for white people of German heritage who are of a certain age, and that there's no room here for other skin colors and ethnicities, this book is worth a read. In fact, no matter who you are, I think FLAME's book is worth the read.
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December 12, 2024...so, I got about 20% into this and have had to pause for a bit. I'll be honest - I didn't expect a Calvinist polemic, but I do get it - I praise God for having, by His great grace brought Flame out of the wealth-and-health-ish church he started in, through a "reformed" Baptist church, to confessional Lutheranism. Hearing his testimony has been a joy. But much of what he has described in his Calvinism dialogue has been the crux of my issue with a large swath of the non-confessional "reformed Baptist" churches I've experienced as well...
...and as a Presbyterian, I'm soteriologically a Calvinist too.
But that's (TULIP, that is) is not all orthodox Reformed theology is. (thanks a lot, you non-confessional TULIPers: the overemphasis of the law many in "that camp" end up preaching does make the heart weary over time in many cases: it's often a feature, not a bug and isn't sustainable in my opinion).
I'll try and pick this back up again at some point as I'm a fan of Flame (I've actually met him once before and been to a concert) and have loved hearing the evolution of the content and focus of his rap as he became Lutheran. Was just more anticipating an articulation of the importance of the alien righteousness as found in the person and work of Christ...ya know, extra nos...and I know it's there later on, but I wasn't expecting to have to wade through the anti-Calvinist stuff as much I guess. I don't particularly take offense to it as I know it's not that simple, but I have some other things I'd like to get to/through first so gonna pause for now; will get back to it later as I want to see it through.
...and as a Presbyterian, I'm soteriologically a Calvinist too.
But that's (TULIP, that is) is not all orthodox Reformed theology is. (thanks a lot, you non-confessional TULIPers: the overemphasis of the law many in "that camp" end up preaching does make the heart weary over time in many cases: it's often a feature, not a bug and isn't sustainable in my opinion).
I'll try and pick this back up again at some point as I'm a fan of Flame (I've actually met him once before and been to a concert) and have loved hearing the evolution of the content and focus of his rap as he became Lutheran. Was just more anticipating an articulation of the importance of the alien righteousness as found in the person and work of Christ...ya know, extra nos...and I know it's there later on, but I wasn't expecting to have to wade through the anti-Calvinist stuff as much I guess. I don't particularly take offense to it as I know it's not that simple, but I have some other things I'd like to get to/through first so gonna pause for now; will get back to it later as I want to see it through.
November 19, 2023
I was pleasantly surprised by this book. I really appreciate the autobiographical information in the first part of the book. Flame is open and honest. I also really appreciate the doctrinal apology section, where Flame addresses common arguments that some Christians use against the sacraments. I am a lifelong Lutheran, but I grew up with many different types of Christians as friends, and I have family members that are different types of Christians, as well, so I know the positions of non-Lutherans on the sacraments and the means of grace. I appreciated Flame's arguments from the Bible addressing those things.
I'm looking forward to hearing Flame speak at the Mequon, WI, Higher Things this summer.
I'm looking forward to hearing Flame speak at the Mequon, WI, Higher Things this summer.
June 18, 2025
This book has a lot of things that make you keep thinking. I liked his sincere telling of his story growing up and his walk to find assurance with Christ. He has an impressive knowledge of history and theology. This book was a little difficult to get through, probably because I wasn’t soul searching through every chapter. I had also already heard quite a bit of his viewpoint listening to his albums.
September 8, 2023
I would recommend this book to anyone, but especially people who love Jesus and want to learn more about how we live as His redeemed children.
I love to have something to reference for my friends who are Reformed Christians. Flame's writing is inviting and relatable!
I love to have something to reference for my friends who are Reformed Christians. Flame's writing is inviting and relatable!
October 8, 2024
A refreshing read about a man who took the journey from Calvinism to confessional Lutheranism. If you haven't yet, definitely check out his most recent albums (some of the songs which are written out in this book).
Give this book a read. It's important to read books on faith, but often they can be intimidating. This was accessible, refreshing, and inspiring. Many of us struggle with doubts, struggle with feeling we haven't been good enough, or that God is simply (and perpetually) angry with us. This book takes an honest look at all of that from the life experiences of the author.
Give this book a read. It's important to read books on faith, but often they can be intimidating. This was accessible, refreshing, and inspiring. Many of us struggle with doubts, struggle with feeling we haven't been good enough, or that God is simply (and perpetually) angry with us. This book takes an honest look at all of that from the life experiences of the author.
August 7, 2024
This tries to be a theological treatise, biography, and Christian living book with the page space for 1 of the last two. The merger of the three detracts from the intent. The treatise also tries to be the final word on debates that has raged for 500 year with little to no footnotes in the explanation nor direct quotes from the primary sources.
There was a good question posed in the book: What evidence would be needed to for a Calvinist to abandon the 5 points? For me, it would take a clear explanation of the every scripture being used to support the position that leaves no room to allow for the reading that Calvinist take.
There was a good question posed in the book: What evidence would be needed to for a Calvinist to abandon the 5 points? For me, it would take a clear explanation of the every scripture being used to support the position that leaves no room to allow for the reading that Calvinist take.
August 28, 2023
This is one I want to buy and gift to family and friends. Flame is a Christian who struggles for years to find truth and meaning in his Calvinist branch of theology. His quest for good Biblical interpretation reminds me of modern day Martin Luther seeking the Gospel in a culture that is producing Christians who fall too easily into the sins of either pride or despair. Flame's search brings him to Concordia Seminary St Louis where he leans on lessons of the church fathers and learns that his struggles and questions are not new, but were discussed and answered many centuries before. And his search, like so many poets before us, is outlined in verse thanks to his musical gift of rap.
Flame has a bright, engaging narrative voice, and a sincere, inspired message to share. I highly recommend this book!
Flame has a bright, engaging narrative voice, and a sincere, inspired message to share. I highly recommend this book!
August 16, 2023
An engaging personal perspective on a journey through several denominations. Flame clearly expresses complex theological distinctions through a personal lens. If you want the distilled version, don't miss his albums Extra Nos, Christ For You, and Word and Water. Grab the liner notes because the lyrics are deep!
June 15, 2024
Excellent book; excellent listening!! I’m so glad my friend Emma tipped me off about finding the audio version on Spotify Premium!!
Especially enjoyable for me were all the moments that Flame just busted into rapping to explain particular scriptural doctrines, giving proof texts from a variety of Bible passages and the writings of many church fathers. He’s a talented and winsome artist, musician, and author! I learned much about Reformed/Calvinist/Baptist theology that was previously unbeknownst to me as I listened to Flame’s autobiographical struggle to find peace.
It’s always a joy to hear someone’s personal testimony of how the Word of God was at work to enlighten their heart and mind, bringing about stronger faith, confidence in the Gospel, and a clearer conscience. As a lifelong Lutheran, I find that it’s STILL reassuring to hear that Lutheran theology DOES provide this comfort, especially from those who didn’t grow up in the Lutheran church.
Especially enjoyable for me were all the moments that Flame just busted into rapping to explain particular scriptural doctrines, giving proof texts from a variety of Bible passages and the writings of many church fathers. He’s a talented and winsome artist, musician, and author! I learned much about Reformed/Calvinist/Baptist theology that was previously unbeknownst to me as I listened to Flame’s autobiographical struggle to find peace.
It’s always a joy to hear someone’s personal testimony of how the Word of God was at work to enlighten their heart and mind, bringing about stronger faith, confidence in the Gospel, and a clearer conscience. As a lifelong Lutheran, I find that it’s STILL reassuring to hear that Lutheran theology DOES provide this comfort, especially from those who didn’t grow up in the Lutheran church.
August 16, 2023
This book offers great comfort in the certainty of our salvation. Not inward, but outside ourselves we see Christ for us; in His Word, in Baptism, and the Lord’s Supper.
August 8, 2023
I would give this 4.5 stars if that were an option.
I think this book is successful in what it sets out to do: Clearly articulating Lutheran doctrine both in and of itself and compared to Reformed thinking and/or modern American conceptions of Christian doctrine.
I've had conversations with Reformed friends that had similarities to the conversations Flame described he had with people after he adopted Lutheran doctrine, so I know first-hand the need for a book like this. Flame's albums articulating Lutheran doctrine, and now this book, are good resources to know about to suggest people engage with to answer objections they might have with Lutheran doctrine.
I think this book is successful in what it sets out to do: Clearly articulating Lutheran doctrine both in and of itself and compared to Reformed thinking and/or modern American conceptions of Christian doctrine.
I've had conversations with Reformed friends that had similarities to the conversations Flame described he had with people after he adopted Lutheran doctrine, so I know first-hand the need for a book like this. Flame's albums articulating Lutheran doctrine, and now this book, are good resources to know about to suggest people engage with to answer objections they might have with Lutheran doctrine.
July 27, 2023
I've had Flame's "Word and Water" and "Extra Nos" on my iTunes for some time and have been following him. Reading this book was a blessing. Praising God today for the grace He provides Flame in sharing his journey to a better understanding of God's Word - in a way that is honest and truthful, while being kind, honoring those who were and are in disagreement with the truth found in Scripture. Easy to digest, but lots to think about.
July 22, 2023
Encouring tale of his spiritual journey and the theological truths that helped him to get there. Hope this encourages many people!
April 10, 2025
Thesis of the book: Extra Nos is a memoir of the Christian rapper Flame. He recounts his journey as a Christian from growing a deeply Pentecostal church to then discovering the world of Reformed theology then to leave it for Lutheranism. He explores the minor differences between Reformed theology and Lutheranism. The Lutheran principle of Scripture is that theology can go only as far as the text of the Bible allows them to go. Lutherans make this distinction so they can except them from going as far as Calvin does. For instance, the Bible is quite silent as to how the atonement of Christ is for everyone, yet, not all people come to believe in Christ. Calvin and the Puritans go ahead and make the conclusion that Christ only died for the elect and it is sufficient and effectual for all those whom are intended to it.
What I liked about the book: He is correct in pointing out some of the devious effect Reformed theology has on people. He acutely notices that hidden beneath the almost antinomian language of the radical reformers, there's a deeply legalistic gospel.
What I disliked about the book: I think he didn't sufficiently deal with Catholicism since I think he's quite deficient in his understanding of Catholic theology. I do understand that the target audience of the book are people in the Reformed camp. A major flaw of Flame's arguments is that he doesn't see how the same objections he offers against Calvinism can also be applied to Lutheranism. Lutherans still do have the problem of Sola Scriptura, that, seems always to lead to subjectivism and making the individual as the top authority on how the scriptures need to be interpreted.
What I liked about the book: He is correct in pointing out some of the devious effect Reformed theology has on people. He acutely notices that hidden beneath the almost antinomian language of the radical reformers, there's a deeply legalistic gospel.
What I disliked about the book: I think he didn't sufficiently deal with Catholicism since I think he's quite deficient in his understanding of Catholic theology. I do understand that the target audience of the book are people in the Reformed camp. A major flaw of Flame's arguments is that he doesn't see how the same objections he offers against Calvinism can also be applied to Lutheranism. Lutherans still do have the problem of Sola Scriptura, that, seems always to lead to subjectivism and making the individual as the top authority on how the scriptures need to be interpreted.
January 10, 2025
WOW!!! What an exciting book filled with personal experience and solid theology. FLAME takes you on his journey from charismatic, to Calvinism, to Lutheranism. Experience the thrill of discovering the clarity and comfort of confessional Lutheran theology and the joy and peace in the Sacraments. Great comfort is found when you realize that your salvation is not earned, it is not something you do. It has been done for you by Christ Jesus. Whether you are a lifelong Lutheran or have never heard of Lutheranism, this book is a wonderful affirmation of Lutheran theology and its assurance. You will find out what Lutheran theology is and perhaps more importantly, what it is not. You will learn the importance of using Scripture to interpret Scripture. I cannot emphasize enough how enjoyable this book is to read. FLAME’s writing is personal. You will laugh. You will cry. You will find assurance.
Will there be all different denominations in Heaven? Of course. So then why does theology matter? Read Extra Nos and find out! OH, and then check out Extra Nos Academy on YouTube and X!!!
Will there be all different denominations in Heaven? Of course. So then why does theology matter? Read Extra Nos and find out! OH, and then check out Extra Nos Academy on YouTube and X!!!
November 16, 2023
Brian and I had the good fortune to attend the 1517 Here We Still Stand Conference in San Diego this past October--it was AMAZING. The theme was C. S. Lewis, and the content we learned was fascinating. One of the speakers was this young man, Flame, who gave a testimony of how this young African American Christian rapper came to be a voice for a Lutheran understanding of Christianity. In this book, Extra Nos, or Outside of Us, he talks about the beautiful and freeing revelation that all comes from God, that we don't, CAN'T even, merit any of God's love and grace and forgiveness--we can't do enough, we can't be enough, we can't love enough. BUT, as this young man comes to understand, God has already done it for us. God reaches down to us, cradles us in his loving arms, and calls us to come home with Him. If that isn't Good News, I don't know what is! A worthy read! P.S. The author is also a talented speaker and artist. Check him out!
June 10, 2024
If you never feel quite settled in your Christian faith, regularly questioning whether you’ve done enough, are actually saved, or are good enough for God; May I humbly encourage you to read “Extra Nos” by FLAME? The audio version on audible is outstanding.
Do you leave church feeling discouraged, guilty, or confused? This book will help bring clarity!
Or do you just want to have a better understanding of why faithful, Bible believing Lutherans approach the faith the way they do; this is a book for you.
Want to check it out but are intimidated by theology? This is a manageable book for all types. As someone who loves to read the Bible but struggles through more academic theology, I can tell you, I had no problem with this one!
This book will allow you to consider Christianity through its ancient roots preserved through Lutheran thought
Do you leave church feeling discouraged, guilty, or confused? This book will help bring clarity!
Or do you just want to have a better understanding of why faithful, Bible believing Lutherans approach the faith the way they do; this is a book for you.
Want to check it out but are intimidated by theology? This is a manageable book for all types. As someone who loves to read the Bible but struggles through more academic theology, I can tell you, I had no problem with this one!
This book will allow you to consider Christianity through its ancient roots preserved through Lutheran thought
July 1, 2024
WARNING: MILD SPOILERS
First of all: I am thrilled to see so many other fellow Lutherans on good reads! Any book recs?
This book was amazing! Flame sounds like a great guy, and I hope to meet him sometime!
I found it very interesting to see his journey through three theologies, Baptist, Calvinist, and Lutheran. Ofc I myself am a Lutheran, but it was interesting to see Baptism and Calvinism through someone’s eye’s who agreed with those theologies.
Overall, this book was one of the best.
Being a Classical Conversation’s student (Christian homeschool group), I’ve learned how to highlight and tab books. My copy of this book is bombarded in sticky notes and highlights….
(You should see my bible)
Have a great day and God bless!
First of all: I am thrilled to see so many other fellow Lutherans on good reads! Any book recs?
This book was amazing! Flame sounds like a great guy, and I hope to meet him sometime!
I found it very interesting to see his journey through three theologies, Baptist, Calvinist, and Lutheran. Ofc I myself am a Lutheran, but it was interesting to see Baptism and Calvinism through someone’s eye’s who agreed with those theologies.
Overall, this book was one of the best.
Being a Classical Conversation’s student (Christian homeschool group), I’ve learned how to highlight and tab books. My copy of this book is bombarded in sticky notes and highlights….
(You should see my bible)
Have a great day and God bless!
This entire review has been hidden because of spoilers.
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