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West Coast Avengers (1985-1994) #17-24

Avengers: West Coast Avengers: Lost in Space-Time

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The West Coast Avengers find themselves flung throughout time in this classic tale featuring everything from Marvel's Wild West to ancient Egyptian despots! Witness the "Wackos" as they find themselves face to face with such legends as the Two-Gun Kid, the Phantom Rider, and the Rawhide Kid, along with the time-tossed villainy of Rama-Tut and Immortus. With the Fantastic Four and Dr. Strange along for the ride, what other help could the West Coasters need to set things straight? How about Marvel's modern day Western heroes, the Texas Rangers!

COLLECTING: West Coast Avengers (1985) 17-24, Fantastic Four (1961) 19, Dr. Strange (1974) 53

232 pages, Hardcover

First published January 1, 2012

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Steve Englehart

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Steve Englehart went to Wesleyan University in Middletown, Connecticut. After a stint in the Army, he moved to New York and began to write for Marvel Comics. That led to long runs on Captain America, The Hulk, The Avengers, Dr. Strange, and a dozen other titles. Midway through that period he moved to California (where he remains), and met and married his wife Terry.

He was finally hired away from Marvel by DC Comics, to be their lead writer and revamp their core characters (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern). He did, but he also wrote a solo Batman series (immediately dubbed the "definitive" version) that later became Warner Brothers' first Batman film (the good one).

After that he left comics for a time, traveled in Europe for a year, wrote a novel (The Point Man™), and came back to design video games for Atari (E.T., Garfield). But he still liked comics, so he created Coyote™, which within its first year was rated one of America's ten best series. Other projects he owned (Scorpio Rose™, The Djinn™) were mixed with company series (Green Lantern [with Joe Staton], Silver Surfer, Fantastic Four). Meanwhile, he continued his game design for Activision, Electronic Arts, Sega, and Brøderbund.

And once he and Terry had their two sons, Alex and Eric, he naturally told them stories. Rustle's Christmas Adventure was first devised for them. He went on to add a run of mid-grade books to his bibliography, including the DNAgers™ adventure series, and Countdown to Flight, a biography of the Wright brothers selected by NASA as the basis for their school curriculum on the invention of the airplane.

In 1992 Steve was asked to co-create a comics pantheon called the Ultraverse. One of his contributions, The Night Man, became not only a successful comics series, but also a television show. That led to more Hollywood work, including animated series such as Street Fighter, GI Joe, and Team Atlantis for Disney.

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Author 2 books40 followers
May 5, 2015
Easily the most important saga in the early West Coast Avengers run, Avengers: West Coast Avengers: Lost in Space and Time started with the team headed to Albuquerque to recruit Firebird but instead running afoul of the alien conqueror Dominus. Dominus ambushed the team with a broken time machine that would only move backward in time. Back at the compound, Hank Pym had fallen into a deep depression and was planning his suicide. The arrival of Firebird, in a new costume and calling herself La Espirita, saved Hank’s life. The Avengers first landed in the Old West of the 1880s. After helping the local heroes against some colorful villains, the team intended to head further back in time. But as they were leaving, the crazed Phantom Rider seized Mockingbird from the time machine platform, knocking her out and making off with her. The heroes wound up back another century, where Wonder Man’s carelessness resulted in severe injuries for Hawkeye, while his tension with Iron Man threatened to tear the team apart. Hawkeye took a long shot to contact Firebird 200 years into the future. The team narrowly missed Doctor Strange in 1770s Philadelphia, before heading to Egypt. They had more narrow misses with Doctor Strange and the Fantastic Four while running afoul of Rama Tut. A deal with the god Honshu had Moon Knight, Espirita and Hank heading for the rescue. In the Old West, Phantom Rider had drugged Mockingbird into believing they were in love. Once she’d broken free of that influence (it was strongly indicated at the time that the Rider had raped her), Mockingbird went in search of revenge. After a dramatic cliff-side battle in a driving storm, the Rider slipped off the cliff. Mockingbird let him fall to his death. Eventually, all the heroes made their way back to the present for a final battle with Dominus.

This arc truly was the pinnacle of the Steve Englehart/Al Milgrom run on West Coast Avengers, featuring a twisty plot that mined Marvel Comics history for intriguing guest characters and challenging obstacles for the team. But as interesting as the complex, multi-time period plot was, it truly was the personal drama that made this story so memorable. Wonder Man’s confidence sprouted into full egomania and put him at odds with the team, especially Iron Man. Hawkeye struggled with leadership, especially after his injury. And the Mockingbird sequences were jaw-dropping. Previously depicted as the voice of reason on the team, her fury after Phantom Rider assaulted her was almost frightening and her choice to allow him to drop to his death, and subsequently to lie about it, would have consequences for years to come.

Sadly, there was one major flaw with the story and it’s a hard one to get around. Hank’s depression and near-suicide were colossally mishandled. It was kind of a shock, since Englehart was an empathetic writer who usually had a good feel for developing character beats. Hank certainly was the right choice for exploring a potential suicide scenario, given his extensive history of mental illness. But the story didn’t feel properly set up. Maybe it’s the effect of reading the story in short order in collected format, and not on a monthly remove, but it felt rushed. While the others had expressed concern about Hank and he had an almost pathological aversion to putting on a costume again, at the outset of the series he seemed to be in a decent place. The sudden bonding with and loss of Ultron-12, his overinvestment in his doomed relationship with Tigra and his humiliating encounter with Whirlwind all could have been beats in a downward depressive spiral, but those links never seemed to join together to add up to suicidal depression. Worse was the aftermath of his attempt, where Espirita basically talked him out of it in about an hour and he was suddenly “over it.” That’s just not how depression and the treatment of depression work. Comic books can employ “comic book logic shortcuts” in other areas, but mental illness was too important an issue to treat that lightly. Its use here almost amounted to a cheap stunt and both Englehart and the series were better than that.

Still, even with that unfortunate flaw, Avengers: West Coast Avengers: Lost in Space and Time is a great chapter in West Coast Avengers history and is highly recommended.

A version of this review originally appeared on www.thunderalleybcp.com
1,607 reviews12 followers
June 29, 2016
Reprints West Coast Avengers #17-24, Fantastic Four (1) #19, and Doctor Strange (2) #53 (October 1963-September 1987). In search of Firebird, the West Coast Avengers head to New Mexico but find themselves spread about the past by a super-villain named Dominus. As the West Coast Avengers fight to return to present day, they are tested by the dangers of the Old West and Egypt. Hank Pym contemplates his future, and Mockingbird makes a deadly decision that could affect her relationship with Hawkeye and the Avengers themselves.

Written by Steve Englehart, Avengers: West Coast Avengers—Lost in Space-Time reprints West Coast Avengers #17-24 which includes the seven part “Lost in Space-Time” storyline. Following Avengers: West Coast Avengers—Sins of the Past, the collection also includes Fantastic Four (1) #19 (October 1963) and Doctor Strange (2) #53 (June 1982) which tie into the storyline.

West Coast Avengers was just kicking off when I started reading comics and parts of this storyline were some of my first comics. I never sat and read the whole storyline until much later but I had read the parts I did own over and over again. Overall, the story is so-so (much like West Coast Avengers), but due to the nostalgia factor, I really enjoy it.

The story is a lot longer and denser than a modern story. I actually like that. There are multiple plotlines going on in it (like Hank’s suicide attempt, Wonder Man’s acting career, and Moon Knight’s joining of the team), and it has one of the more shocking moments of ’80s comics (whether it is remembered or not). Mockingbird is raped by the Phantom Rider who brainwashes and then she allows him to fall to his death when she could have easily saved him. It was much darker than this title and ended up having ramifications for years as this series ran.

The collection also includes the two tie-in issues. In the travels in time, the West Coast Avengers head to Egypt to try to reach the Fantastic Four and the time machine that they used to travel in time. They reach Egypt (missing the FF) but also encounter Doctor Strange who’s own comic previously crossed over with the Fantastic Four’s 1963 adventure. It is a weird almost Doctor Who type overlapping of timelines that is kind of fun (and it is good to read the original issues).

Avengers: West Coast Avengers—Lost in Space-Time is generally a fun, light series but this storyline dips into the gritty ’80s which was starting to infiltrate even the mainstream “happy” comics. It might not be The Punisher, The Dark Knight Returns, or Watchmen, but this storyline tries to balance dark with light…but kind of unsuccessfully. Avengers: West Coast Avengers—Lost in Space-Time is followed by Avengers: West Coast Avengers—Zodiac Attack.
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1,237 reviews6 followers
August 3, 2022
This is the 2 of the West Coast Avengers Omnibus and the last half is the part that is still used in comics and movies today mainly for Hank Pym but also for Moon Knight. It is the run that gave Hank Pym the shrink and grow ability that isnt just himself, it also gives a consolidation of all his trials and tribulations. that with the Old West story line which is a bit iconic and this is the West Coast Avengers I loved as a kid. Is the writing style still overly bombastic? Yes. but the art is better and the stories are getting more plots without the 70 style superhero vibes.

Is this a great comic series, probably not. Especially if you have no nostalgia for the series but it does fill in quite a bit of history for later events in the Marvel Universe. So might be worth a read just for that.

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1,423 reviews
November 18, 2023
Steve Englehart was on a roll with this title. What were once merely entertaining, serviceable superhero stories have blossomed into a full bore centuries spanning epic lasting 8 issues. There is no way that this could be done today, as endless company wide crossovers would interrupt the flow of this title. Most titles lose steam along the way, but Englehart was like a locomotive here. Slow to start, but once things got cooking he was impossible to stop.

Englehart's character development is worlds beyond anything that Bendis did, and he did it with greater efficiency. Hank Pym's growing despondency and thoughts of suicide, the growing arrogance of Wonder Man's new-found confidence, the increasing friction between he and Iron Man, Hawkeye's progression from unlikable upstart to guiding light for the team when the chips are down...these are all real, organic character developments, done within the confines of the story, and done without the sacrifice of action or fun. No snarky dialogue, no condescending attitude toward superheroes...in short, just great comic book writing.

The gist- The West Coast Avengers head to Albuquerque to find Firebird and offer her membership on the team. Once there, they run into a dead end...and four supervillains named Sunstroke (who looks exactly like Stingray with different colors), Gila, Butte, and Cactus. Yes, Cactus. As in a walking, talking humanoid Cactus. The villains flee but Iron Man manages to track them down to their cave hideout, where they find their leader, Dominus. Dominus is from the same alien race as Lucifer (Silver Age villain), and he traps the team in Doctor Doom's malfunctioning time machine. It sends them backwards in time but cannot return to the present. All of this occurs in one issue. Bendis would have milked that for an entire trade paperback and then launched it into a company wide crossover spanning 50 issues.

Englehart certainly knows his Marvel continuity. In the Lost In Space-Time mega-arc he refers to his classic '70s run and includes characters steeped in Marvel lore like the Two-Gun Kid, Rawhide Kid, the Ghost/Night/Phantom Rider, and Rama-Tut. The team ends up jumping backward in time a few times trying to repair their broken time machine. They go all the way back to ancient Egypt to enlist the help of Rama-Tut, who traveled thousands of years back in time himself. This is another nod to Englehart's '70s run, as Rama-Tut/Kang/Immortus all figured into the classic Celestial Madonna arc.

The ranks of the team swell with the addition of La Espirita (formerly Firebird), Doctor Pym, and Moon Knight. Doctor Pym is a horrible character name and idea, and he dresses like the Phantom Stranger. God awful. Englehart created the shrinking things other than himself aspect to Pym's power, something which is utilized to this day. There is an interesting development with Moon Knight's weapons, with Englehart inserting a continuity porn aspect to them which diehards will love.

I love how the story keeps splitting into an extra part with each issue, culminating with 8 parts in the final issue. The splash page for part two has two panels, and it increases by one panel for each subsequent issue. The story continually adds layers and grows more complex but Englehart didn't miss a beat. The guy was juggling plotlines like plates and didn't break a single one. I'm even betting he didn't need a “creative retreat” to pull this off.

The Fantastic Four and Doctor Strange issues are included as a sort of bonus because both of these issues intersect with the events of the West Coast Avengers Rama-Tut/ ancient Egypt time travel adventure. Very cool and very fun. The Roger Stern-penned Doctor Strange issue is a treat, with artwork by the team of Marshall Rogers and Terry Austin. Of course the Stan Lee/ Jack Kirby Fantastic Four are great. It was fun to re-read that one again. This was a great read, the best run of this title thus far.

The late, lamented Marvel Premiere Classic line was sort of a junior Masterworks line. Classic material presented in hardcover with nice paper and sewn binding at a much lower MSRP.
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73 reviews
May 3, 2020
They really don’t make Marvel comics like this anymore. This book is so intertwined in Marvel history and just makes the universe so much more interesting. Tying in stories from 60s X-men and Fantastic Four, Marvels’ western series, earlier 80s Avengers, Doctor Strange, and Moon Knight just reminded what got me into comics in the first place. Reading comic books that made you want to check out other comics series. It feels like the thing current Marvel comics is missing.

They also did an amazing job of telling about 7 different stories in this book that all meet up in the end issue was a job well done. I was very impressed how unique of a story device this was and to actually pull it off in the end was so much fun to read. Milgrom also designs some amazing villains especially Dominus’ minions. They kept making fun of Cactus but I thought the design was great.

While going through the West Coast Avengers series this book has been my favorite so far. Really feels like Englehart and Milgrom are at their best in this one. However it did seem like they redid the coloring in this book that just didn’t quite seem right. Other than that, a real interesting read.
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100 reviews2 followers
February 9, 2024
Definitely an improvement from earlier in Englehart's West Coast Avengers run.

Mediocre villain Master Pandemonium is gone (for the time being) and Tigra is no longer schizophrenic. Hooray! Now the team move onto an interesting seven-part time travel storyline that crosses over with past Fantastic Four and Doctor Strange issues in a fairly smart way. Characters like Two-Gun Kid also return, which makes me think that Englehart is tying up some loose ends of unrealised plots from his original Avengers run.

Of course, it's not all great though. The religious overtones of La Espirita/Firebird's personality feel awkwardly ham-fisted and Wonder Man's overinflated ego is frustratingly annoying. Also, Al Milgrom's art steadily gets worse once Joe Sinnott's inks aren't there to help him out.
Author 27 books37 followers
March 24, 2022
One of my favorite Avengers stories.

A routine mission, goes seriously bad and the team is hurled through time.
They then bounce around Marvel history with a broken time machine, trying to find a way to fix it, or an alternate mode of time travel or a way to get a message to their friends back in the present.

A fun romp, full of a ton of guest appearances, marvel history and various story threads.

Loses a star for the way it damselizes Mockingbird
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1,452 reviews122 followers
November 7, 2015
Je hezké pozorovat, jak vliv Watchmenů a TDKR proniknul do Avengers. Máme tu sebevraždu, znásilnění a i "vraždu". Avengers jsou uvězněni v čase a postupně se musí dostat až do Rama-Tutova Egypta, kde spoléhají na faraonovu pomoc. Velmi příjemné čtení, jen zbytečně rozvleklé.
3,5*
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10 reviews6 followers
May 24, 2016
Hank Pym is the most mentally unstable hero of all time. Why the rest of the Avengers don't actually help him is the real mystery. Especially after he sends them all a personalized suicide note.
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