"Doesn't it? It makes sense to me. We're not colonizing the Savages. They're colonizing us. Even the Commandant in that smelly fur robe is happier here than he ever was in France."
- p.23
"Her words made him blush. Surely it was foolish to compare him with a saint like Joan of Arc, but still it was true that every since the Order had granted his petition to be sent to New France he had dreamed of the glory of martyrdom in that faraway place."
- p.33
"At once, a tall Savage, his head dyed red, his eyes horrid yellow circles, a strip of reddish fur hanging from a pigtail down his back, went up to Chomina's little boy, took him by the hair and, with a gesture callous as though he killed a fowl, swiftly slit his throat. Blood gurgled from the child's mouth. Daniel, anguished, tried to go toward him, but a Savage tripped him, spilling him onto the ground. Chomina looked not at his dying son but up at the ceiling of the longhouse, singing a war chant as though he had seen nothing. And then, to his horror, Laforgue saw the child hacked to pieces with hatchets, its bloodied limbs thrown into a cooking kettle. He closed his eyes, as though unable to believe what he had witnessed."
- p.160
"In excruciating pain, Laforgue fell to his knees and then, in a scene so terrible that it surpassed horror or pity or forgiveness or rage, he saw three older women take from the cooking kettle the limbs of the dead child and pass them, parboiled, to the warriors paraded up and down before Chimina and his daughter, eating the flesh as though it were succulent meat. Chomina stood, singing loudly, his eyes on the rafters. The girl vomited on the ground."
- p.161
I loved this novel. The prose can be a little leaden at times, but the truths it probes are universal and sobering, and it features my favourite ingredient (and possibly the defining theme of my life): the clash of civilizations.
A spellbinding tale of sexuality, superstition and the clash of cultures in a hostile, pitiless, yet abundant land; on its surface, this is a tale of two cultures with equally compelling (and mutually excluding) belief systems trying to find a common ground between them, and failing, with their interactions mediated against a backdrop of war, conquest, colonialism, trade and greed; two equally strong and seemingly valid belief systems (to their adherents), each advanced in its own ways, misunderstanding and misinterpreting each other, but never quite understanding each other.
But at its heart, this book is about the struggle of a thoughtful, emotionally intelligent mind struggling to overcome the brainwashing of the exclusionary, imperialist culture it was born into.
Other notes and scattered thoughts, in no particular order:
- Basically explores the idea that civilizational complexity - and therefore morality (and its degree of organization) - is tied to the local climate, geography and availability of resources. Complex Western culture only took root here because of technological advances imported from Europe. Local cultures which evolved here in a harsh yet abundant landscape never developed beyond a certain level of complexity. Taking together Darwin and Jared Diamond, ultimately the land chooses the culture and civilizational complexity which is most sustainable upon it. Laforgue's Christianity is a civilisational overhang, excess baggage, that the land here does not need him to support. It is a product of an overcrowded, resource-limited Europe which developed a complex and nuanced civilisation to help people avoid war and violence, by providing them with outlets through which to carefully express themselves or channel their excess energies.
- Father Laforgue has a death wish. All the religious Catholic priests featured in the novel have a death wish. (I guess one would need to have one – and/or be a fanatic – in order to sign up to go eke an existence on the harsh frontier of 16th century Canada.) And the irreligious ones do too – but for a death involving wild abandon and risky pleasure-seeking; a death from too much devotion to the flesh, as it were, rather than the spirit.
- The descriptions of the "Algonkin" "Savages" remind me of some of the "lower class" Canadians living our cities today. Either these are working-class or poorer natives depicted in the novel, or they had a flatter and class-less society, or our underclasses are indigenizing to become more like theirs once was – ie. less structured, flatter, less constrained by formal Christian morality, more sensual and hedonistic, closer and more attuned to the natural world and interdependent with animals (their dogs live with them like humans).
- The Algonkins are shown living more nature-centric lives, more attuned to nature and their surrounding geography, even communing with it for advice, believing in demons and dreams and divination, and practicing a sexually and sensually free, unconstrained morality that sharply contrasts with the ascetic, sexually-repressed and hierarchical morality and social mores of the French Catholics.
- The descriptions the Algonkin use to describe places of reference ("the winter hunting place", "the middle place") reminds me of an article I once read about the work being done to discover how Anglo-Saxons navigated their local geography without creating maps. They must have had names for places but related to them in different, less objective and more subjective ways, perhaps using references that had personal meaning to each person or community doing the navigating, which meant that the world opened up uniquely to each person, according to the references cast by his/her mind, and therefore each person inhabited his/her own unique and personalized world.
- Even if both sides' religions are false and arbitrary, believing in their superstitions grants them different strengths, especially resilience in suffering.
- When you contrast the sexually freewheeling Algonkin "Savages" with the sexually uptight/repressed French Catholics, you begin to realize that the descendents of European settlers in Canada are beginning to indigenize and take the place of the people they once erased to make way for their own civilization. Something about the lush abundance of this landscape has seduced them, made them abandon their old ways and embrace a new lifestyle centred around openness. These are the Canadian and American liberals. Then there are those trying to preserve elements or the spirit of the old colonial ways. These are your conservatives.
- And yes, a portrait of an Indigenous culture both "savage" and enlightened, bloody and heroic in equal measure. These things would not be strange to the ancient Greeks. They knew that heroism and barbarism went together.
- The Savages are portrayed as scatalogical and untrustworthy. How much of this is authentic (rooted in history) vs colonial propaganda?
- The land absorbs all excess energies and only leaves that much that is enough to support the level of civilization that is sustainable upon it.
- The politics of religion between the Savage sorceror Mestigoit and Father Laforgue: even though Mestigoit is corrupt, creepy and conniving, Laforgue is no hero. He seeks to erase the very culture that shelters him.
- They may appear Savages, but they are enlightened. As Swami Vivekananda says, a caveman and a sage in a cave may look alike, but they represent two different ends of the development of the human spirit.
- Provides a rudimentary comparative analysis of the differences between the organized Christianity of the Europeans and the paganism of the native Algonkin. Shows you that Christianity (and other religions) can seem no less arbitrary, childish and/or illogical when taken out of their context or placed face to face with other equally strong and well-rooted beliefs.
- The conflict that emerges when the Jesuits encounter Europeans seduced by the rich mythology, nature-centric wisdom and easygoing lifestyle of "the Savages" and away from the strictures of Christianity...worse when they become tempted by it themselves.
- The harsh, sexually-repressed and fear-based culture of organized Christianity (that does practice charity to some extent) is contrasted with the freer, more open, easygoing, psychologically healthy, sexually open (or banal) and nature-centric (yet harsh and cruel at times) culture and lifestyle of the Savages…and comes off worse for wear, more apposite for a small, cramped and resource-starved Europe than a wild, empty, free and abundant Canada.
- Interesting that an Irish-origin author is writing this. One can detect a note of Gaelic/Celtic angst underneath his romanticization of the Savages, possibly resentment of the Anglo-Christian identity that has been thrust upon Irish society to make it lose its native Celtic pagan culture.
- Father Laforgue us actually a religious fanatic, and an anti-hero who thinks he's a hero. His willingness to go into the wild and risk is life is heroic, though, even if for questionable (ie. imperialistic/colonialist) reasons. Still, what Judeo-Christian culture fails to grasp that ancient and pagan cultures grasped (like the Greco-Roman, Hindu, Chinese, Slavic and others) is that villainy and acts of heroism can go together.
- Even simple things, like the fact that the French eat regular meals everyday, marks them out to be strange and different from the Algonkin.
- The interpretations of Christian behaviour through Savage eyes is insightful.
- The politics of the Savage world are no less vicious than that of the European Christians.
- The seeming cultural sophistication of the Europeans belies a very savage and crude set of beliefs. The outwardly crude Savages harbour a very sophisticated and enlightened set of beliefs, if crude in expression.
- The wild expanse of untamed Canadian wilderness plays a role in creating a sense of eerie atmosphere that serves as a backdrop to the events in the foreground. The sense of stifling isolation in a hostile territory that creeps up on Laforgue, especially when he is abandoned, is truly hair-raising. Truly a stranger in a stranger land, lost in an eerie and dangerous wilderness where it is quite possible to never cross paths with another soul, and die alone and unmemorialized.
- The act of writing and reading by Father Laforgue is seen as a form of magic. The books talk to people with the words they carry. Their who read then hear voices in their heads. In a way, the Savages are experiencing the thrill that bibliophiles experience. With the awe generated around writing, he is able to open a door to their conversion to Christianity.
- The Algonkin are distrustful but kind. The Iroquois are shown as brave but also cruel. Laforgue is heroic for questionable reasons, dubious motivations. The amorality or moral malleability of the characters and cultures is closer to reality than 99 percent of our literature.
- The scenes in the Iroquois village are not for the faint of heart, but likely reflect the historical reality, hence why this book is celebrated as a realistic rendering of the likely early encounters between Europeans and natives in North America in the early 17th century, based on original Jesuit accounts. How can such a beautiful and abundant land produce such cruel people? But then the Europeans are from a culture that was no less cruel at time, practicing no less breathtaking a form of cruelty. Those were late medieval/early modern times, after all.
- One gripe with this novel is that it almost seems to be justifying European colonialism by presenting a pageant of naked bloodletting and extreme, gratuitous and thoughtless violence as the alternative to European rule, as thought European culture was no less cruel and violent in its own ways.
- Chomina's innate Christian/Marxist-like nature is touching and prescient. But yes, against the firmness of the native belief system and how well it fits in with its environment, the Christianity offered by Laforgue seems childish.
- Tribes that are familiar: Algonquin, Huron, Iroquois, Montagnais, Mohawk, Allumette. The Indian world of the early settlers. They are visitors to their world of magic and mystery.
- The descriptions of the customs of the Europeans as interpreted by the natives is fascinating. Recalls to mind Elspeth Huxley's Red Strangers.
- Hard to believe this savage story is unfolding the very same peaceful landscape that we now traverse so effortlessly (between Quebec City and Ottawa). Clearly the landscape is ruthless and unforgiving in the absence of modern technology, comforts and conveniences. The Canadian wilderness is presented as a poisoned or tainted paradise: beautiful, but also filled with terrible dangers and mind-numbing savagery.
- The novel leaves comments on the validity of the beliefs open to interpretation...the Savages have dreams and visions that could be as easily be deemed coincidences as prescience. Christian ritual seems arbitrary and hollow in this new world, when shorn of its native context.
- Canoes were eventually for traversing this vast land, but only because of its wide and extensive network of rivers and lakes.
- Brian Moore has been able to revive the startling, lush, exotic and sensually vibrant - and dangerous - world of magic, mystery and superstition of the natives.
- This is not only a take of a physical journey but of a spiritual journey as well. Laforgue fulfills his quest but loses his faith along the way, or fuses it with the beliefs of these adopted lands to become one with it.
- The Catholics unethically prey on the ignorance of Savages to convert them.
- Brian Moore attempts to justify the Catholics' civilizing mission by presenting it as getting the Huron to give up practices that would seem regressive to the Western Christianized reader, but also exposes the cunning and duplicity of the Jesuit missionaries. Captures the colonial arrogance every well, and highlights the intolerance of Christian missionaries. Fitting now that Canadians are increasingly leaving this religion to revert to the old, pagan, nature-centric ways.
- By the end of the novel, Laforgue becomes a skeptic, even as he embraces his role, after realizing his naivete as a Christian. He realizes he is not a fanatic like Father Jerome, who lives up to the stereotype of the tricky Jesuit bent on conquest at the expense of authenticity. Brian Moore nuancedly kills Jerome off at the right time, once he exposes himself, and thus makes a comment about imperialism in the process.
- The interplay of religion, colonialism and disease in the final chapter is fascinating. You just know versions of this have been played out over the centuries with subalterns in different times and places. As someone who was targeted by missionaries before, I sympathize with the Huron. Father Jerome is a villain. Laforgue is an accomplice.
- The last scene captures the dynamics of a population undergoing conversion well. And yes, the Savages are called Savages are they portrayed as complex and thoughtful, especially in the last scene. Brian Moore basically demonstrates the Christian faith as being no less arbitrary and artificial as those of the locals, and attributes its spread more to trickery and circumstance than authenticity.
- It is fitting that in the end Laforgue gets his title and status and Christian soul harvest, but the price he pays for going along with the Christian agenda - despite his reservations - is that he loses Daniel to the Savage culture (that he was unable to keep Daniel in the fold)
- Laforgue's doubts about his beliefs and his mission make him a true Christian in a certain sense, while his doubts about the correctness of his actions and those of his compadres make him human. His final ruminations are the awakenings of a thinking mind to the taint of the cause it has served for far too long.
- Laforgue’s decision to forgo quick and easy conversions to instead earn the faith of the local tribes, and therefore the right to convert them honestly instead of taking shortcuts, redeems him, even if his mission is tainted. He decides to help them out of love and not self-serving imperial gain. Or so he tells himself, committing himself to rediscovering his faith one authentic act at a time.
- In the end, the Hurons who were wary of conversion turned out to be vindicated. Conversion did not help the Huron. It made them conquered and enslaved. Their descendants would curse them. Their way of life was destroyed and they were left neither here nor there. Ironic then that even as the Indigenous communities remain trapped in the religion of their former colonizers, the descendants of the same colonizers are slowly abandoning the ways of their ancestors to embrace the beliefs that once belonged to the natives - a more freewheeling, nature-centric lifestyle that is less formally religious. European empires may have conquered and absorbed these lands once, but now the land is conquering and absorbing their descendants in turn