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パンドラハーツ [Pandora Hearts] #17
Pandora Hearts, Vol. 17
Als Spross einer Adelsfamilie verbringt Oz seine Zeit im Wesentlichen damit, seinem Freund und Diener Gilbert Schwierigkeiten zu machen. Doch dann wird er plötzlich von drei schwarzen Gestalten in die Unterwelt namens Abyss gestoßen, wo Verbrecher für ihre schlimmsten Sünden büßen müssen.
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First published July 11, 2012
About the author
Jun Mochizuki
154 books924 followersJun Mochizuki (望月淳 Mochizuki Jun) is a Japanese comic artist (manga-ka), best known for the fantasy shounen series Pandora Hearts/パンドラハーツ.
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July 30, 2021
This volume hurt my heart so much omg, these poor characters. The back story we got in this volume was amazing, we finally know the truth of the tragedy ! The art is so amazing AND THE TWIST IN THE LAST CHAPTER WAS SO GOOD !
August 31, 2013
Oh, this story. This gorgeous, heart-wrenching, amazing story. It eats at me, it really does.
I found this volume very cathartic despite the chilling revelations. I think it was just nice to finally put some puzzle pieces in place. There are still so many questions, and more arise with more revelations. For one, I don't understand how Lacie seemed to so easily submit to her fate. And, the Intention of the Abyss seems to be as ambiguous as ever.
And now, with what the final pages of this volume reveal, what is Oz going to do?
(And, thank you, Mochizuki, by giving us a little Xerxes Break here and there. My fangirl heart is very happy about that. That expression on Break's face when Gil is losing his mind is priceless.)
Finally, I'll never convince my non-manga-reading fans to read manga. I've given up trying...mostly. But, when I read a story like Pandora Hearts, I cry a little that so many will never give this story a chance. It's so beautifully drawn, the story is absolutely crazy but so good, and the characters! I love them all (except Gil). What more can I say? Read it! Read it!!
I found this volume very cathartic despite the chilling revelations. I think it was just nice to finally put some puzzle pieces in place. There are still so many questions, and more arise with more revelations. For one, I don't understand how Lacie seemed to so easily submit to her fate. And, the Intention of the Abyss seems to be as ambiguous as ever.
And now, with what the final pages of this volume reveal, what is Oz going to do?
(And, thank you, Mochizuki, by giving us a little Xerxes Break here and there. My fangirl heart is very happy about that. That expression on Break's face when Gil is losing his mind is priceless.)
Finally, I'll never convince my non-manga-reading fans to read manga. I've given up trying...mostly. But, when I read a story like Pandora Hearts, I cry a little that so many will never give this story a chance. It's so beautifully drawn, the story is absolutely crazy but so good, and the characters! I love them all (except Gil). What more can I say? Read it! Read it!!
January 1, 2025
⭐4.5
The way my jaw actually dropped open in this volume....
Getting the backstory of Jack finally and finally putting together so many loose threads only leaves me a library of new questions
Also the fact that there has been a secret character haunting the narrative the whole time that we never knew is just (chief kiss)
The way my jaw actually dropped open in this volume....
Getting the backstory of Jack finally and finally putting together so many loose threads only leaves me a library of new questions
Also the fact that there has been a secret character haunting the narrative the whole time that we never knew is just (chief kiss)
May 30, 2013
JACK I THOUGHT I KNEW YOU
ALICE I THOUGHT I KNEW YOU
OZ I THOUGHT I KNEW YOU
BUNNY I THOUGHT I KNEW YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
ALICE I THOUGHT I KNEW YOU
OZ I THOUGHT I KNEW YOU
BUNNY I THOUGHT I KNEW YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
March 30, 2016
Whoa. Okay, well that was....WHAT? I thought I understood what was going on and was feeling so smart and happy, and now I'm over here like: 
April 3, 2017
WTF?!? I don't know what just happened, but i'm loving this manga!!
October 14, 2019
No sé si me he enterado de algo o no..., pero me ha encantado xD
June 12, 2024
YO NO TE LA PUEDO CREER
June 6, 2024
CoXD jun mochizuki predko do psychologa
June 27, 2020
while reading chapter 67 so Jack is a simp...;-;
Jack freaking blushed oh my, Glen (Oswald) & Jack shippers are winning, I'm not making the rules
"Yes. Like a stretch of water so silent and still, even fish avoid it. When you look into it, the only thing you see is your own reflection. You can't see his true nature. Even though he's right in front of me… I can't shake the uncomfortable feeling that no one's actually there…"
About the last chapter, just let me lay down peacefully... I can't take this any longer.
"Yes. Like a stretch of water so silent and still, even fish avoid it. When you look into it, the only thing you see is your own reflection. You can't see his true nature. Even though he's right in front of me… I can't shake the uncomfortable feeling that no one's actually there…"
About the last chapter, just let me lay down peacefully... I can't take this any longer.
November 25, 2018
I thought i cracked the mystery BUT NOOOO everything i knew was totally wrong!!!
And jack!!!! Omg😫💔 you betrayed mee!💔
And jack!!!! Omg😫💔 you betrayed mee!💔
March 6, 2017
WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT???!!!!! I am absolutely in shock. I don't know what just happened. AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
December 10, 2017
mind blown
December 17, 2022
4.5🌟 non sto capendo nulla tt bn
manga
December 18, 2023SONO SCONVOLTA.
SONO BASITA.
IN CHE SENSO? COSA MI STATE DICENDO?
Okay, continuo a leggere
SONO BASITA.
IN CHE SENSO? COSA MI STATE DICENDO?
Okay, continuo a leggere
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August 15, 2024After 17 volumes we finally get Jack’s backstory and I’m left totally speechless by it.
How do I have MORE questions???
How do I have MORE questions???
July 17, 2025
What did I just read?
August 7, 2025
…. My jaw is still on the floor…
WTF DID JUST HAPPEN?!?!?!
WTF DID JUST HAPPEN?!?!?!
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May 17, 2026mon cerveau a explosé ???
September 20, 2023
(4.5) CHE CAZZO È APPENA SUCCESSO
April 10, 2023
No manchen me sorprendió este tomo el pasado de Lacie, Jack, Glen, Alice y Oz, se pone interesante cada vez pero me termina mareando porque me confunden mucho... A ver qué pasa
August 24, 2020
3.5/5 stars
September 26, 2021
We finally know the true character of a man who people once called “hero”: Jack Vessalius.
We go through his real memories and how he met for the first time with Lacie Baskerville, a child whose red eyes bring nothing but bad omens. She was particularly kind to his broken soul and in exchange, Jack lived and got himself a ‘real name’ just so one day, he could meet her again.
You can see it as love, obsession, or pure praise, yet he managed to survive all those years. Jack devoted himself to her, even if she didn’t ask for it.
On the other hand, Oswald, her big brother and the next Baskerville to obtain the name “Glenn” was a bit wary of their friendship but could do nothing about it. Jack was charming and didn’t seem to have ill intentions. At least until he found out that Lacie was meant to be killed –or more like thrown into the Abyss- by her own brother.
Later on, Jack meets Alice, Lacie’s daughter and becomes fond of her. But, you see, Alice had a white-haired twin that stayed in the Abyss. Thus, in his madness, Jack wants to bring Lacie back, even if that means sacrificing everyone around him.
We also have a big plot twist: Oz’ real identity was a mere black rabbit toy Alice used to have. Yet somehow he became a chain and obtain the power to sever other chains.
Now, to me this was THE big reveal we’ve always been waiting for. And though this is a re-read from me, I felt like shit after knowing the truth about my fav character. I relate to Oz on a deep level and realizing you were never meant to be is worse than anything I could think of.
This volume contains Retrace 66 – 70.
Read if for the #JPLitReadathon.
PREVIOUS REVIEWS:
Volume 1 | Volume 2 | Volume 3 | Volume 4 | Volume 5 | Volume 6 | Volume 7 | Volume 8 | volume 9 | Volume 10 | Volume 11 | Volume 12 | Volume 13 | Volume 14 | Volume 15 | Volume 16
We go through his real memories and how he met for the first time with Lacie Baskerville, a child whose red eyes bring nothing but bad omens. She was particularly kind to his broken soul and in exchange, Jack lived and got himself a ‘real name’ just so one day, he could meet her again.
You can see it as love, obsession, or pure praise, yet he managed to survive all those years. Jack devoted himself to her, even if she didn’t ask for it.
On the other hand, Oswald, her big brother and the next Baskerville to obtain the name “Glenn” was a bit wary of their friendship but could do nothing about it. Jack was charming and didn’t seem to have ill intentions. At least until he found out that Lacie was meant to be killed –or more like thrown into the Abyss- by her own brother.
Later on, Jack meets Alice, Lacie’s daughter and becomes fond of her. But, you see, Alice had a white-haired twin that stayed in the Abyss. Thus, in his madness, Jack wants to bring Lacie back, even if that means sacrificing everyone around him.
We also have a big plot twist: Oz’ real identity was a mere black rabbit toy Alice used to have. Yet somehow he became a chain and obtain the power to sever other chains.
Now, to me this was THE big reveal we’ve always been waiting for. And though this is a re-read from me, I felt like shit after knowing the truth about my fav character. I relate to Oz on a deep level and realizing you were never meant to be is worse than anything I could think of.
This volume contains Retrace 66 – 70.
Read if for the #JPLitReadathon.
PREVIOUS REVIEWS:
Volume 1 | Volume 2 | Volume 3 | Volume 4 | Volume 5 | Volume 6 | Volume 7 | Volume 8 | volume 9 | Volume 10 | Volume 11 | Volume 12 | Volume 13 | Volume 14 | Volume 15 | Volume 16
November 26, 2024
౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹
in the volume art Lacie has red eyes!
Chapter 66:
- Gil still screaming his head out :(((( his entire distorted world view is literally on fire!!!
-vince looking terrfied for Gil ///3
- no wonder Barma switched sides after discovering the truth
-those fucking scissors that alice was stabbed with! lacie stole them omggggg
-wait wait wait Lacie told jack "you lack the resolve to live" and yura discovered that the abyess "gives creatures the will to live", lacie gave him that.
-"oswald"?????????? as in "oz" hmmmmmmmmm
- so fucking jack showed up, fucked everyone up, manwhored manipulated for 100 years, what a bitch! but i respect the hustle
⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹Thoughts⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹:
- honestly from the very beginning i knew Glen & the baskervilles were the semi good guys, they're literally chosen by the abyss to protect it, before the intention showed up. so basically Vince and the baskervilles aren't the baddies....?
but it's kinda cool that manipulated by jack, the Oz gang and pandora has been working against the good guys all along.
- secondly, look at how Vince is terrified at how devastated Gil is after discovering the truth. i'm wondering if this is why vince kept his mouth shut all these years and just kept going with Gil's delusions.
i'm so looking forward to Vince & Gil drama.
⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹: Theory⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹: :
- Gil have an obsession with "a master" right?! that is Glen, but he mistaken for jack & oz, but at the same he ALSO treat Oz like a little sibling. so i have been thinking .......what if that's because Oz is blonde.... like Vincent....
all this "master" obsession began because Gil wanted to provide security and stability for Vince by working as a valet, so if he protected the "master" kept him safe and happy, him and vince wouldn't be out on the streets again.
but i don't know, like through out the story until now, we never saw Gil treat Vince with the same softness he treat Oz, maybe because of his memory loss...
Chapter 67:
- i always knew "Glen" oswald had a familial relationship to Lacie/ Alice,
BUTTT now i'm wondering if Gil and Vince are related to them somehow too
- Oswald already knew that jack was off and "disgusting", something similar was said before!!! but i don't remember by who
-ooooooooh the way Oswald explain how hollow jack is, is similar to the way break talk about Oz in earlier chapters!!!! break even said that oz is "unwholesome" and "freaky"
- " he is in front of me yet there's this grating sense of unease that no one is really there." very interesting choice of words from oswald, and the fact it happened to two members of the vesallius family too..........
- ooooooooooh jack losing his cool carefree persona when oswald clocked him and actively trying to shut him up
-i'm gonna write about jack's psychology and his relationship with lacie after i process it and learn more
- omg Glen scared tf out of me, what is he planning?!!!! maybe he is doing this to keep lacie inside the baskerville estate!
-jack is a bitch he met oswald once and decided that yeah i'm gonna tell my sugar mommy serial killer to get your pretty ass.
now i wonder if this miranda is the one who cut up Glen into pieces to fit into the stones. and she is the original head hunter, queen of hearts.
wait a sec, miranda looks so familiar to lady barma who told vince to open the abyss door!! did she marry into that family and became close to the baskerville!!!!
- wait glen has five chains? raven, owl, dodo, jabberwocky, and???? this is new information the hell?
-the old crone is very interesting! and the fact that glen agreed on dropping lacie in the abyss
-oooh very interesting glen has the opposite of lacie's philosophy in the earlier chapter, she tells jack to always ask "why" things the way they are and look at it from every angel to gain perspective, Glen doesn't care about the "why" he cares about "what should i do about it now?", he is practical, while lacie refuse the status quo. because none of these people are gonna suffer only her.
-no wonder Lacie is sadistic, she's told she is gonna get tossed in the abyss, no crime of her own, and everyone just accept it and expect her to comply to her own death, by probably her brother's hand.
-question: is gilbert gonna throw vince into the abyss too since he's a child of ill omen too :,(
Chapter 68:
- jesus fucking christ, Glen is so cruel telling lacie: so hey girlie you're gonna die very soon <333 and your big bro will inherit my powers to destroy you <3333
-i think lacie is putting a facade for Glen and herself, that she doesn't care about jack or anything, she is doing what Glen said "convince yourself you're okay with the way things are" she's acting as if she isn't upset about dying and being tossed into the abyss.
-wait lacie has went into the abyss as a child often? is that bc her eye thingie is an advantage?
waittttt people born "a distortion" will be returned into the darkness of the abyss, oz? and vince??????
my theory now is: child of ill omen isn't the reason, something else is going on, Glen told lacie that is true because it's an easy explanation she she herself half believes
and it confirmed!!: lacie came close to the real core of the abyss, a person. that's her crime, she came close, touching that means you can control the abyss and it powers, that's why they have to kill her.
but her crime was being a stupid kid!! she didn't know what she did :(((((
-Lacie is pregnant! right?!! that's fucked.... but the way it was framed so she and the boys (gil & vince) shows up is making my theory alarms rings
- finally learning about my babies gil and vince
oh my goooood baby vince looks so scared and upset my little baby noooooooooo, and Gil is more assertive and confident too my babiesss 😫😫😫💕💕💕💕
wait a sec the boys are wearing cloaks similar to the baskerville ones, but "the ran from the house", and gil looks beat up???? what the hell is going on????? also the abyss calling out to them BOTH??
is this before or after they have been taken of the streets????????
my theory: Lacie was able to give birth in short amount of time by the abyss time manipulations, that's how she gave birth to a human and a chain.
Chapter 69:
-wait....vince is a distortion because of Gil?? jus like Lacie is because of Oswald??? and Vince blames himself for Gilbert suffering, when it's oswald feeling guilty for Lacie's misfortune.
THE DOOMED SIBLINGS CONTINUES
-omggggg vince wants to delete himself from the world, to not exist, just like Glen said should happen. but Gilbert will not want that
-jesus oswald casting judgment and punishment on his sister, when all he can see is his fault
-eeew levi/ glen fucked lacie ewwwwwwwwww a girl he knew as kid, disgusting.
- wait we have the core and the intention, the intention is the new one! so after the core took over one of the twins, it became a she.
- damn levi just wanted to fuck around with the Baskerville, and introduced multiple factors to see "change" damnnnnnnnn
Chapter 70:
- leo is dead????! echo pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee do something!!!!
-oh my fucking god gilbert hugging Gil's head jesus fucking christ omg 💔💔💔💔 i feel like throwing up, and the baskervilles just sitting behind him shellshocked 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
- the truth is out! Oz was a chain all along!!
-oh my god..............sablier is oz's fault.....he massacred all the people and dropped the entire city by jack's orders
-so oz is like Cheshire!! "something this insignificant, is my true self? "
- i honestly don't know how to feel about the reveal that oz is a fucking toy, but Cheshire was a cat then became a chain. sooooooo.....
in the volume art Lacie has red eyes!
Chapter 66:
- Gil still screaming his head out :(((( his entire distorted world view is literally on fire!!!
-vince looking terrfied for Gil ///3
- no wonder Barma switched sides after discovering the truth
-those fucking scissors that alice was stabbed with! lacie stole them omggggg
-wait wait wait Lacie told jack "you lack the resolve to live" and yura discovered that the abyess "gives creatures the will to live", lacie gave him that.
-"oswald"?????????? as in "oz" hmmmmmmmmm
- so fucking jack showed up, fucked everyone up, manwhored manipulated for 100 years, what a bitch! but i respect the hustle
⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹Thoughts⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹:
- honestly from the very beginning i knew Glen & the baskervilles were the semi good guys, they're literally chosen by the abyss to protect it, before the intention showed up. so basically Vince and the baskervilles aren't the baddies....?
but it's kinda cool that manipulated by jack, the Oz gang and pandora has been working against the good guys all along.
- secondly, look at how Vince is terrified at how devastated Gil is after discovering the truth. i'm wondering if this is why vince kept his mouth shut all these years and just kept going with Gil's delusions.
i'm so looking forward to Vince & Gil drama.
⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹: Theory⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹: :
- Gil have an obsession with "a master" right?! that is Glen, but he mistaken for jack & oz, but at the same he ALSO treat Oz like a little sibling. so i have been thinking .......what if that's because Oz is blonde.... like Vincent....
all this "master" obsession began because Gil wanted to provide security and stability for Vince by working as a valet, so if he protected the "master" kept him safe and happy, him and vince wouldn't be out on the streets again.
but i don't know, like through out the story until now, we never saw Gil treat Vince with the same softness he treat Oz, maybe because of his memory loss...
Chapter 67:
- i always knew "Glen" oswald had a familial relationship to Lacie/ Alice,
BUTTT now i'm wondering if Gil and Vince are related to them somehow too
- Oswald already knew that jack was off and "disgusting", something similar was said before!!! but i don't remember by who
-ooooooooh the way Oswald explain how hollow jack is, is similar to the way break talk about Oz in earlier chapters!!!! break even said that oz is "unwholesome" and "freaky"
- " he is in front of me yet there's this grating sense of unease that no one is really there." very interesting choice of words from oswald, and the fact it happened to two members of the vesallius family too..........
- ooooooooooh jack losing his cool carefree persona when oswald clocked him and actively trying to shut him up
-i'm gonna write about jack's psychology and his relationship with lacie after i process it and learn more
- omg Glen scared tf out of me, what is he planning?!!!! maybe he is doing this to keep lacie inside the baskerville estate!
-jack is a bitch he met oswald once and decided that yeah i'm gonna tell my sugar mommy serial killer to get your pretty ass.
now i wonder if this miranda is the one who cut up Glen into pieces to fit into the stones. and she is the original head hunter, queen of hearts.
wait a sec, miranda looks so familiar to lady barma who told vince to open the abyss door!! did she marry into that family and became close to the baskerville!!!!
- wait glen has five chains? raven, owl, dodo, jabberwocky, and???? this is new information the hell?
-the old crone is very interesting! and the fact that glen agreed on dropping lacie in the abyss
-oooh very interesting glen has the opposite of lacie's philosophy in the earlier chapter, she tells jack to always ask "why" things the way they are and look at it from every angel to gain perspective, Glen doesn't care about the "why" he cares about "what should i do about it now?", he is practical, while lacie refuse the status quo. because none of these people are gonna suffer only her.
-no wonder Lacie is sadistic, she's told she is gonna get tossed in the abyss, no crime of her own, and everyone just accept it and expect her to comply to her own death, by probably her brother's hand.
-question: is gilbert gonna throw vince into the abyss too since he's a child of ill omen too :,(
Chapter 68:
- jesus fucking christ, Glen is so cruel telling lacie: so hey girlie you're gonna die very soon <333 and your big bro will inherit my powers to destroy you <3333
-i think lacie is putting a facade for Glen and herself, that she doesn't care about jack or anything, she is doing what Glen said "convince yourself you're okay with the way things are" she's acting as if she isn't upset about dying and being tossed into the abyss.
-wait lacie has went into the abyss as a child often? is that bc her eye thingie is an advantage?
waittttt people born "a distortion" will be returned into the darkness of the abyss, oz? and vince??????
my theory now is: child of ill omen isn't the reason, something else is going on, Glen told lacie that is true because it's an easy explanation she she herself half believes
and it confirmed!!: lacie came close to the real core of the abyss, a person. that's her crime, she came close, touching that means you can control the abyss and it powers, that's why they have to kill her.
but her crime was being a stupid kid!! she didn't know what she did :(((((
-Lacie is pregnant! right?!! that's fucked.... but the way it was framed so she and the boys (gil & vince) shows up is making my theory alarms rings
- finally learning about my babies gil and vince
oh my goooood baby vince looks so scared and upset my little baby noooooooooo, and Gil is more assertive and confident too my babiesss 😫😫😫💕💕💕💕
wait a sec the boys are wearing cloaks similar to the baskerville ones, but "the ran from the house", and gil looks beat up???? what the hell is going on????? also the abyss calling out to them BOTH??
is this before or after they have been taken of the streets????????
my theory: Lacie was able to give birth in short amount of time by the abyss time manipulations, that's how she gave birth to a human and a chain.
Chapter 69:
-wait....vince is a distortion because of Gil?? jus like Lacie is because of Oswald??? and Vince blames himself for Gilbert suffering, when it's oswald feeling guilty for Lacie's misfortune.
THE DOOMED SIBLINGS CONTINUES
-omggggg vince wants to delete himself from the world, to not exist, just like Glen said should happen. but Gilbert will not want that
-jesus oswald casting judgment and punishment on his sister, when all he can see is his fault
-eeew levi/ glen fucked lacie ewwwwwwwwww a girl he knew as kid, disgusting.
- wait we have the core and the intention, the intention is the new one! so after the core took over one of the twins, it became a she.
- damn levi just wanted to fuck around with the Baskerville, and introduced multiple factors to see "change" damnnnnnnnn
Chapter 70:
- leo is dead????! echo pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee do something!!!!
-oh my fucking god gilbert hugging Gil's head jesus fucking christ omg 💔💔💔💔 i feel like throwing up, and the baskervilles just sitting behind him shellshocked 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
- the truth is out! Oz was a chain all along!!
-oh my god..............sablier is oz's fault.....he massacred all the people and dropped the entire city by jack's orders
-so oz is like Cheshire!! "something this insignificant, is my true self? "
- i honestly don't know how to feel about the reveal that oz is a fucking toy, but Cheshire was a cat then became a chain. sooooooo.....
July 28, 2025
౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹
in the volume art Lacie has red eyes!
Chapter 66:
- Gil still screaming his head out :(((( his entire distorted world view is literally on fire!!!
-vince looking terrfied for Gil ///3
- no wonder Barma switched sides after discovering the truth
-those fucking scissors that alice was stabbed with! lacie stole them omggggg
-wait wait wait Lacie told jack "you lack the resolve to live" and yura discovered that the abyess "gives creatures the will to live", lacie gave him that.
-"oswald"?????????? as in "oz" hmmmmmmmmm
- so fucking jack showed up, fucked everyone up, manwhored manipulated for 100 years, what a bitch! but i respect the hustle
⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹Thoughts⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹:
- honestly from the very beginning i knew Glen & the baskervilles were the semi good guys, they're literally chosen by the abyss to protect it, before the intention showed up. so basically Vince and the baskervilles aren't the baddies....?
but it's kinda cool that manipulated by jack, the Oz gang and pandora has been working against the good guys all along.
- secondly, look at how Vince is terrified at how devastated Gil is after discovering the truth. i'm wondering if this is why vince kept his mouth shut all these years and just kept going with Gil's delusions.
i'm so looking forward to Vince & Gil drama.
⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹: Theory⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹: :
- Gil have an obsession with "a master" right?! that is Glen, but he mistaken for jack & oz, but at the same he ALSO treat Oz like a little sibling. so i have been thinking .......what if that's because Oz is blonde.... like Vincent....
all this "master" obsession began because Gil wanted to provide security and stability for Vince by working as a valet, so if he protected the "master" kept him safe and happy, him and vince wouldn't be out on the streets again.
but i don't know, like through out the story until now, we never saw Gil treat Vince with the same softness he treat Oz, maybe because of his memory loss...
Chapter 67:
- i always knew "Glen" oswald had a familial relationship to Lacie/ Alice,
BUTTT now i'm wondering if Gil and Vince are related to them somehow too
- Oswald already knew that jack was off and "disgusting", something similar was said before!!! but i don't remember by who
-ooooooooh the way Oswald explain how hollow jack is, is similar to the way break talk about Oz in earlier chapters!!!! break even said that oz is "unwholesome" and "freaky"
- " he is in front of me yet there's this grating sense of unease that no one is really there." very interesting choice of words from oswald, and the fact it happened to two members of the vesallius family too..........
- ooooooooooh jack losing his cool carefree persona when oswald clocked him and actively trying to shut him up
-i'm gonna write about jack's psychology and his relationship with lacie after i process it and learn more
- omg Glen scared tf out of me, what is he planning?!!!! maybe he is doing this to keep lacie inside the baskerville estate!
-jack is a bitch he met oswald once and decided that yeah i'm gonna tell my sugar mommy serial killer to get your pretty ass.
now i wonder if this miranda is the one who cut up Glen into pieces to fit into the stones. and she is the original head hunter, queen of hearts.
wait a sec, miranda looks so familiar to lady barma who told vince to open the abyss door!! did she marry into that family and became close to the baskerville!!!!
- wait glen has five chains? raven, owl, dodo, jabberwocky, and???? this is new information the hell?
-the old crone is very interesting! and the fact that glen agreed on dropping lacie in the abyss
-oooh very interesting glen has the opposite of lacie's philosophy in the earlier chapter, she tells jack to always ask "why" things the way they are and look at it from every angel to gain perspective, Glen doesn't care about the "why" he cares about "what should i do about it now?", he is practical, while lacie refuse the status quo. because none of these people are gonna suffer only her.
-no wonder Lacie is sadistic, she's told she is gonna get tossed in the abyss, no crime of her own, and everyone just accept it and expect her to comply to her own death, by probably her brother's hand.
-question: is gilbert gonna throw vince into the abyss too since he's a child of ill omen too :,(
Chapter 68:
- jesus fucking christ, Glen is so cruel telling lacie: so hey girlie you're gonna die very soon <333 and your big bro will inherit my powers to destroy you <3333
-i think lacie is putting a facade for Glen and herself, that she doesn't care about jack or anything, she is doing what Glen said "convince yourself you're okay with the way things are" she's acting as if she isn't upset about dying and being tossed into the abyss.
-wait lacie has went into the abyss as a child often? is that bc her eye thingie is an advantage?
waittttt people born "a distortion" will be returned into the darkness of the abyss, oz? and vince??????
my theory now is: child of ill omen isn't the reason, something else is going on, Glen told lacie that is true because it's an easy explanation she she herself half believes
and it confirmed!!: lacie came close to the real core of the abyss, a person. that's her crime, she came close, touching that means you can control the abyss and it powers, that's why they have to kill her.
but her crime was being a stupid kid!! she didn't know what she did :(((((
-Lacie is pregnant! right?!! that's fucked.... but the way it was framed so she and the boys (gil & vince) shows up is making my theory alarms rings
- finally learning about my babies gil and vince
oh my goooood baby vince looks so scared and upset my little baby noooooooooo, and Gil is more assertive and confident too my babiesss
in the volume art Lacie has red eyes!
Chapter 66:
- Gil still screaming his head out :(((( his entire distorted world view is literally on fire!!!
-vince looking terrfied for Gil ///3
- no wonder Barma switched sides after discovering the truth
-those fucking scissors that alice was stabbed with! lacie stole them omggggg
-wait wait wait Lacie told jack "you lack the resolve to live" and yura discovered that the abyess "gives creatures the will to live", lacie gave him that.
-"oswald"?????????? as in "oz" hmmmmmmmmm
- so fucking jack showed up, fucked everyone up, manwhored manipulated for 100 years, what a bitch! but i respect the hustle
⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹Thoughts⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹౨ৎ ˖ ࣪⊹:
- honestly from the very beginning i knew Glen & the baskervilles were the semi good guys, they're literally chosen by the abyss to protect it, before the intention showed up. so basically Vince and the baskervilles aren't the baddies....?
but it's kinda cool that manipulated by jack, the Oz gang and pandora has been working against the good guys all along.
- secondly, look at how Vince is terrified at how devastated Gil is after discovering the truth. i'm wondering if this is why vince kept his mouth shut all these years and just kept going with Gil's delusions.
i'm so looking forward to Vince & Gil drama.
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- Gil have an obsession with "a master" right?! that is Glen, but he mistaken for jack & oz, but at the same he ALSO treat Oz like a little sibling. so i have been thinking .......what if that's because Oz is blonde.... like Vincent....
all this "master" obsession began because Gil wanted to provide security and stability for Vince by working as a valet, so if he protected the "master" kept him safe and happy, him and vince wouldn't be out on the streets again.
but i don't know, like through out the story until now, we never saw Gil treat Vince with the same softness he treat Oz, maybe because of his memory loss...
Chapter 67:
- i always knew "Glen" oswald had a familial relationship to Lacie/ Alice,
BUTTT now i'm wondering if Gil and Vince are related to them somehow too
- Oswald already knew that jack was off and "disgusting", something similar was said before!!! but i don't remember by who
-ooooooooh the way Oswald explain how hollow jack is, is similar to the way break talk about Oz in earlier chapters!!!! break even said that oz is "unwholesome" and "freaky"
- " he is in front of me yet there's this grating sense of unease that no one is really there." very interesting choice of words from oswald, and the fact it happened to two members of the vesallius family too..........
- ooooooooooh jack losing his cool carefree persona when oswald clocked him and actively trying to shut him up
-i'm gonna write about jack's psychology and his relationship with lacie after i process it and learn more
- omg Glen scared tf out of me, what is he planning?!!!! maybe he is doing this to keep lacie inside the baskerville estate!
-jack is a bitch he met oswald once and decided that yeah i'm gonna tell my sugar mommy serial killer to get your pretty ass.
now i wonder if this miranda is the one who cut up Glen into pieces to fit into the stones. and she is the original head hunter, queen of hearts.
wait a sec, miranda looks so familiar to lady barma who told vince to open the abyss door!! did she marry into that family and became close to the baskerville!!!!
- wait glen has five chains? raven, owl, dodo, jabberwocky, and???? this is new information the hell?
-the old crone is very interesting! and the fact that glen agreed on dropping lacie in the abyss
-oooh very interesting glen has the opposite of lacie's philosophy in the earlier chapter, she tells jack to always ask "why" things the way they are and look at it from every angel to gain perspective, Glen doesn't care about the "why" he cares about "what should i do about it now?", he is practical, while lacie refuse the status quo. because none of these people are gonna suffer only her.
-no wonder Lacie is sadistic, she's told she is gonna get tossed in the abyss, no crime of her own, and everyone just accept it and expect her to comply to her own death, by probably her brother's hand.
-question: is gilbert gonna throw vince into the abyss too since he's a child of ill omen too :,(
Chapter 68:
- jesus fucking christ, Glen is so cruel telling lacie: so hey girlie you're gonna die very soon <333 and your big bro will inherit my powers to destroy you <3333
-i think lacie is putting a facade for Glen and herself, that she doesn't care about jack or anything, she is doing what Glen said "convince yourself you're okay with the way things are" she's acting as if she isn't upset about dying and being tossed into the abyss.
-wait lacie has went into the abyss as a child often? is that bc her eye thingie is an advantage?
waittttt people born "a distortion" will be returned into the darkness of the abyss, oz? and vince??????
my theory now is: child of ill omen isn't the reason, something else is going on, Glen told lacie that is true because it's an easy explanation she she herself half believes
and it confirmed!!: lacie came close to the real core of the abyss, a person. that's her crime, she came close, touching that means you can control the abyss and it powers, that's why they have to kill her.
but her crime was being a stupid kid!! she didn't know what she did :(((((
-Lacie is pregnant! right?!! that's fucked.... but the way it was framed so she and the boys (gil & vince) shows up is making my theory alarms rings
- finally learning about my babies gil and vince
oh my goooood baby vince looks so scared and upset my little baby noooooooooo, and Gil is more assertive and confident too my babiesss
July 22, 2012
woa, I love it so much, the truth that revealed is so hilarious, I don't even imagine that the truth will be like that, look forward to read the next book :9
January 2, 2015
Este tomo es magnífico porque vemos las historias de Jack, Glen, Oz, Lacie y Alice. Termina con la de Oz y es... tantas sorpresas y giros que no recordaba.
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