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Lucinde
Die Veröffentlichung löste 1799 einen Skandal aus, verherrlicht Lucinde doch, im Widerspruch zu geltenden Konventionen, die Einheit der geistig-seelischen und körperlich-sinnlichen Liebe – noch dazu erkennbar autobiographisch gefärbt. Doch Schlegels einziger Roman zielt auf das universale romantische Kunstwerk, das alle poetischen Gattungen, Poetologie, Philosophie, ja das Leben selbst mitumft.
Die Studienausgabe bietet als einzige lieferbare Edition den Text in der Gestalt des Erstdrucks und erschließt ihn mit einem Stellenkommentar und einem ausführlichen Nachwort.
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172 pages, Paperback
First published January 1, 1799
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Friedrich Schlegel
363 books59 followersAugust Wilhelm von Schlegel also edited a literary magazine with Friedrich Schlegel, his brother, a philosopher, poet, and critic, whose essays formed the intellectual basis of German romanticism.
This scholar critically led.
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This scholar critically led.
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April 30, 2011
I just wrote a paper on this book. Ask me about it some other time.
July 24, 2013
Ich hatte hohe Erwartungen, allerdings lässt sich Schlegels theoretisches Konzept des Romans nur schwer in ein lesbares und vor allem unterhaltsames Buch umsetzen. Theoretisch durchaus interessant, aber ich würde es nicht unbedingt einen Roman nennen.
March 5, 2016
Jako kul knjiga.
Ujević ju je na hrvatski preveo još 1930ih no izdanje Konzora iz 2002. je prvo izdanje na hrvatskom jeziku. Schlegel ju je objavio još 1799. u blještavim godinama procvata romantizma.
Zvonko Pandžić je napisao sjajan uvod u kojem podrobno objašnjava poetiku romantizma i njen odsjaj u Lucindi. Pandžić je inače i najviše zaslužan za tiskanje Ujevića prijevoda, pošto je sam i preradio Ujevićev prijevod te je i organizirao njeno objavljivanje.
Lucinda dokazuje povezanost romantizma i postmodernizma. Fragmentarnost je najčvršća spona tih dvaju razdoblja. Knjiga je kaotična, nemirna- titra gordošću romantičarske tmine. Izmjenjuje se pripovjedač u trećem licu s homodijegetskim pripovjedačem. Epistolarni ulomci se također javljaju potkraj knjige.
Odjeljak pod naslovom "Školovanje muževnosti" izrazito sliči na ekspresionističke romane Ulderika Donadinija, Iva Kozarčanina i Krleže. Tu se opisuju životne nedaće i ljubavna iskustva glavnog lika, ujedno i naratora, slikara Julija.
Prvi sloj je ljubav Julija i Lucinde. Toposi romantizma se jasno ogledavaju u bolesti, nemiru, reflektivnosti i prirodi.
Sramota je hrvatske kulture da je ova knjiga na "našijenskom" objvaljena tek 2002.
Ujević ju je na hrvatski preveo još 1930ih no izdanje Konzora iz 2002. je prvo izdanje na hrvatskom jeziku. Schlegel ju je objavio još 1799. u blještavim godinama procvata romantizma.
Zvonko Pandžić je napisao sjajan uvod u kojem podrobno objašnjava poetiku romantizma i njen odsjaj u Lucindi. Pandžić je inače i najviše zaslužan za tiskanje Ujevića prijevoda, pošto je sam i preradio Ujevićev prijevod te je i organizirao njeno objavljivanje.
Lucinda dokazuje povezanost romantizma i postmodernizma. Fragmentarnost je najčvršća spona tih dvaju razdoblja. Knjiga je kaotična, nemirna- titra gordošću romantičarske tmine. Izmjenjuje se pripovjedač u trećem licu s homodijegetskim pripovjedačem. Epistolarni ulomci se također javljaju potkraj knjige.
Odjeljak pod naslovom "Školovanje muževnosti" izrazito sliči na ekspresionističke romane Ulderika Donadinija, Iva Kozarčanina i Krleže. Tu se opisuju životne nedaće i ljubavna iskustva glavnog lika, ujedno i naratora, slikara Julija.
Prvi sloj je ljubav Julija i Lucinde. Toposi romantizma se jasno ogledavaju u bolesti, nemiru, reflektivnosti i prirodi.
Sramota je hrvatske kulture da je ova knjiga na "našijenskom" objvaljena tek 2002.
February 17, 2023
1.5 stars. This novel is so strikingly bad that I couldn’t wait to read the scholarly introduction to see how it might be spun by the editor/translator. How refreshing to discover that academics have not tried to justify this novel or “recover” it. Indeed, it has been almost universally panned by every reader, scholar, and critic (except Schlegel’s friends) for over 200 years. And rightfully so!
However, it is such an extraordinary failure that it still offers something to readers -- not for what is, or even for what it fails to be -- but rather for what it can never be. If progressive universal poetry must necessarily be fragmented, incomplete, and chaotic (not merely expressing chaos, but being chaotic), then this is about as close to ideal as one could get. In that sense, it succeeds by failing. (The only backhanded complimentary praise that I can muster for this work.) It is both the ultimate expression of Romanticism in fiction (such a perfect expression as to make it practically ridiculous) and also about one-hundred years ahead of its time. This is really a proto-modernist text: fragmented, resisting a classical chronological narrative, highlighting personal subjective encounters (or even epiphanies) over either plot or character development, and structured as a novel of ideas rather than as the idea of the novel. But for all its experimentation and modern (sounding) flair, it truly is a dreadfully conceived mess. Perhaps one could forgive Schlegel because he didn’t really have any models upon which to base such a piece of fiction, beyond Sterne, Diderot, or Jean Paul (the publication of Constant’s Adolphe was still fifteen years down the road). But the works of all those writers, although a little less extreme in their experimentation, are also major successes. Schlegel’s noble failure here is so complete that it’s almost not even noble. What saves it and makes it (barely) worth tracking down is the foundational literary theories which it serves to illustrate.
In short, read this only as a supplement to Schlegel’s criticism and aphorisms. For better German Romantic fiction, seek out the prose works of Novalis, Kleist, Jean Paul, Tieck, Hölderlin , etc.
However, it is such an extraordinary failure that it still offers something to readers -- not for what is, or even for what it fails to be -- but rather for what it can never be. If progressive universal poetry must necessarily be fragmented, incomplete, and chaotic (not merely expressing chaos, but being chaotic), then this is about as close to ideal as one could get. In that sense, it succeeds by failing. (The only backhanded complimentary praise that I can muster for this work.) It is both the ultimate expression of Romanticism in fiction (such a perfect expression as to make it practically ridiculous) and also about one-hundred years ahead of its time. This is really a proto-modernist text: fragmented, resisting a classical chronological narrative, highlighting personal subjective encounters (or even epiphanies) over either plot or character development, and structured as a novel of ideas rather than as the idea of the novel. But for all its experimentation and modern (sounding) flair, it truly is a dreadfully conceived mess. Perhaps one could forgive Schlegel because he didn’t really have any models upon which to base such a piece of fiction, beyond Sterne, Diderot, or Jean Paul (the publication of Constant’s Adolphe was still fifteen years down the road). But the works of all those writers, although a little less extreme in their experimentation, are also major successes. Schlegel’s noble failure here is so complete that it’s almost not even noble. What saves it and makes it (barely) worth tracking down is the foundational literary theories which it serves to illustrate.
In short, read this only as a supplement to Schlegel’s criticism and aphorisms. For better German Romantic fiction, seek out the prose works of Novalis, Kleist, Jean Paul, Tieck, Hölderlin , etc.
July 1, 2007
beautiful and lyrical.
confusing at times but all in all a good read.
confusing at times but all in all a good read.
August 9, 2015
A classic novel from the early Romantic era; good representation of Schlegel's philosophy of having one woman who fulfills the roles expected to be filled by different women.
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May 20, 2024твір єнського романтизму про поклоніння образу Жінки, Любові, природи і праздності, або «Дифірамбічна фантазія про прекрасну ситуацію»
У свій час твір зібрав дуже багато ляпасів віялом, не так через опис ситуацій у альтанках нічних літніх садів, як за біографічну правдивість цих ситуацій . Життя Шлегелів (двох), Кароліни, Дороти, Тіка, Шиллера і деколи навіть Фіхте в одному тісному зеленому будинку і без того тривожило жителів Єни, а Фріц ще й випустив про себе і лодижку Кароліни памфлет….
хочеться читати тільки стоячи на колінах під дощем і вітром щоб волосся одночасно намокало (трагічно) і розвівалось (драматично)
соковиті поетичні стейтменти!
дуже люблю цю літературу яка існує як річ-в-собі, тільки заради себе самої. коли ти йдеш туди - знаєш що там отримаєш - крапельницю концентрованих чуств, як новий альбом Тейлор Свіфт
У свій час твір зібрав дуже багато ляпасів віялом, не так через опис ситуацій у альтанках нічних літніх садів, як за біографічну правдивість цих ситуацій . Життя Шлегелів (двох), Кароліни, Дороти, Тіка, Шиллера і деколи навіть Фіхте в одному тісному зеленому будинку і без того тривожило жителів Єни, а Фріц ще й випустив про себе і лодижку Кароліни памфлет….
хочеться читати тільки стоячи на колінах під дощем і вітром щоб волосся одночасно намокало (трагічно) і розвівалось (драматично)
соковиті поетичні стейтменти!
дуже люблю цю літературу яка існує як річ-в-собі, тільки заради себе самої. коли ти йдеш туди - знаєш що там отримаєш - крапельницю концентрованих чуств, як новий альбом Тейлор Свіфт
July 29, 2024
1.5 a whole lot of nothing.
December 9, 2025
habe nichts gecheckt, bis jetzt anstrengendstes buch das ich für die uni lesen musste
November 3, 2010
Ich hatte durchaus meine Probleme, mich mit Schlegels Lucinde anzufreunden.
Vor allem der Beginn erscheint mir (immer noch) sehr verwirrend, wenn also Herr Schlegel eine perfekte Arabesque schaffen wollte, so ist es ihm zumindest teilweise bei mir gelungen.
Dennoch muss ich den Worten des Nachworts Recht geben: Friedrich schlegel war nicht in erster Linie Autor- er war mehr Philosoph- vielleicht ist es daher gar nicht so schlecht, dass es nie zu einem zweiten, dritten oder gar vierten Band von Lucinde gekommen ist.
Vor allem der Beginn erscheint mir (immer noch) sehr verwirrend, wenn also Herr Schlegel eine perfekte Arabesque schaffen wollte, so ist es ihm zumindest teilweise bei mir gelungen.
Dennoch muss ich den Worten des Nachworts Recht geben: Friedrich schlegel war nicht in erster Linie Autor- er war mehr Philosoph- vielleicht ist es daher gar nicht so schlecht, dass es nie zu einem zweiten, dritten oder gar vierten Band von Lucinde gekommen ist.
April 18, 2015
Ok... But not the most thrilling read...
August 24, 2015
Endlich einmal ein Roman, der deutlich vor Augen führt, was Liebe im allgemeinen und individuellen Sinn heißt. Großes Kino.
September 25, 2025
Q: Give me a full list of dissections of why romantic poets started the original steal your girl from the finance bro movement
1. Symbolic triumph over the finance bro’s bourgeois order that they despise
…..
ChatGPT:
Ahhh yes 💀 the “Steal Your Girl from the Finance Bro” movement of the German Romantics — let’s break it down in full. Here’s your dissection list:
⸻
Why the Romantics Targeted Banker’s Wives
1. Symbolic triumph over bourgeois order 🏦 ➡️ 🎻
• Bankers = embodiment of Enlightenment rationality, capitalism, stability.
• Romantics despised that world of ledgers and contracts.
• Stealing the banker’s wife = humiliating capital itself, a symbolic revolt against money and reason.
2. Eroticization of transgression 💋🔥
• For them, passion wasn’t in spite of taboo — it was made sublime by taboo.
• Sleeping with someone else’s wife, especially from a rigid bourgeois household, dramatized the tension between constraint and freedom.
• That thrill of “forbidden = infinite.”
3. Muse economics 🎨
• Romantics needed women to embody das Ewig-Weibliche — the eternal feminine that would “redeem” or inspire their poetry.
• But their own class of free-spirited, broke bohemians didn’t produce the same aura.
• The banker’s wife — trapped, yearning, refined — was ripe for projection. She was their Lucinde, their Diotima.
4. Projection of depth vs. surface 💭💄
• Finance bros, in their minds, represented surface values: wealth, social climbing, shallow pleasures
• Romantics saw themselves as offering depth: the Sublime, the abyss, tears-cum-laughter.
• So “stealing the wife” wasn’t just lust — it was claiming she “deserved better,” i.e., someone who could match her infinite soul.
5. Existential self-validation 🧠
• Romantics thrived on crisis. To seduce a married woman wasn’t just about desire — it proved to themselves they were “madmen of the spirit,” living outside convention.
• Without that chaos, they feared turning into another bourgeois cog.
6. The myth of wholeness ♾️
• In their writings, the woman from bourgeois captivity symbolized their missing half.
• Stealing her became a literal enactment of the coincidentia oppositorum — rationality + sensuality, order + chaos, marriage + rebellion.
• They weren’t just taking a wife — they were staging a cosmic reconciliation.
⸻
💀 TL;DR: The Romantic “steal-your-girl” was never just about sex. It was:
• Spiting capitalism.
• Proving taboo = Sublime.
• Recruiting a muse.
• Claiming depth vs. surface.
• Dramatically validating their own tortured-hero mythology.
Want me to map this into a three-way chart: Banker vs. Wife vs. Romantic Poet, showing exactly what each side symbolizes?
1. Symbolic triumph over the finance bro’s bourgeois order that they despise
…..
ChatGPT:
Ahhh yes 💀 the “Steal Your Girl from the Finance Bro” movement of the German Romantics — let’s break it down in full. Here’s your dissection list:
⸻
Why the Romantics Targeted Banker’s Wives
1. Symbolic triumph over bourgeois order 🏦 ➡️ 🎻
• Bankers = embodiment of Enlightenment rationality, capitalism, stability.
• Romantics despised that world of ledgers and contracts.
• Stealing the banker’s wife = humiliating capital itself, a symbolic revolt against money and reason.
2. Eroticization of transgression 💋🔥
• For them, passion wasn’t in spite of taboo — it was made sublime by taboo.
• Sleeping with someone else’s wife, especially from a rigid bourgeois household, dramatized the tension between constraint and freedom.
• That thrill of “forbidden = infinite.”
3. Muse economics 🎨
• Romantics needed women to embody das Ewig-Weibliche — the eternal feminine that would “redeem” or inspire their poetry.
• But their own class of free-spirited, broke bohemians didn’t produce the same aura.
• The banker’s wife — trapped, yearning, refined — was ripe for projection. She was their Lucinde, their Diotima.
4. Projection of depth vs. surface 💭💄
• Finance bros, in their minds, represented surface values: wealth, social climbing, shallow pleasures
• Romantics saw themselves as offering depth: the Sublime, the abyss, tears-cum-laughter.
• So “stealing the wife” wasn’t just lust — it was claiming she “deserved better,” i.e., someone who could match her infinite soul.
5. Existential self-validation 🧠
• Romantics thrived on crisis. To seduce a married woman wasn’t just about desire — it proved to themselves they were “madmen of the spirit,” living outside convention.
• Without that chaos, they feared turning into another bourgeois cog.
6. The myth of wholeness ♾️
• In their writings, the woman from bourgeois captivity symbolized their missing half.
• Stealing her became a literal enactment of the coincidentia oppositorum — rationality + sensuality, order + chaos, marriage + rebellion.
• They weren’t just taking a wife — they were staging a cosmic reconciliation.
⸻
💀 TL;DR: The Romantic “steal-your-girl” was never just about sex. It was:
• Spiting capitalism.
• Proving taboo = Sublime.
• Recruiting a muse.
• Claiming depth vs. surface.
• Dramatically validating their own tortured-hero mythology.
Want me to map this into a three-way chart: Banker vs. Wife vs. Romantic Poet, showing exactly what each side symbolizes?
November 25, 2023
Zeitloses Kunstwerk vor kurzweiligem Roman
Dieser viel kritisierte und umstrittene Bildungsroman der frühen Romantik besticht durch seinen lyrisch-hymnischen Ton und teilt sich in kurze Episoden diverser Couleurs ein. Mit diesem Werk wagt Schlegel es, als einer der Ersten, das Individuum aus der Masse zu separieren und ihm Persönlichkeit und Eigenständigkeit zuzugestehen. Er brach mit ethischen und moralischen Tabus seiner Zeit und erträumt sich die Möglichkeit der Vollkommenheit einer gleichberechtigten Liebesbeziehung.
Dieser viel kritisierte und umstrittene Bildungsroman der frühen Romantik besticht durch seinen lyrisch-hymnischen Ton und teilt sich in kurze Episoden diverser Couleurs ein. Mit diesem Werk wagt Schlegel es, als einer der Ersten, das Individuum aus der Masse zu separieren und ihm Persönlichkeit und Eigenständigkeit zuzugestehen. Er brach mit ethischen und moralischen Tabus seiner Zeit und erträumt sich die Möglichkeit der Vollkommenheit einer gleichberechtigten Liebesbeziehung.
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March 15, 2021Another uni book down, yay! This was somehow more entertaining than I thought it was going to be. Definitely steamy for a 1799 romantic piece, I absolutely DID NOT expect that.
This book is basically a mix of some super explicit love letters to the lovely gal Lucinde and some philosophical essays about God, the world, morale, and everything in-between.
Its concepts of gender and androgyny are definitely revolutionary.
This was a rather quick read, nothing more to add.
This book is basically a mix of some super explicit love letters to the lovely gal Lucinde and some philosophical essays about God, the world, morale, and everything in-between.
Its concepts of gender and androgyny are definitely revolutionary.
This was a rather quick read, nothing more to add.
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April 10, 2024sprachlich, wegen des übertriebenen Pathos zusammen mit dem Umstand, dass Schlegel wahrscheinlich nicht unbedingt literarisch begabt war, eher zäh; inhaltlich schwer zu beurteilen, da langweilig zu lesen, teilweise sehr modern, aber immer nervig, wenn ein Mann dies und jenes über die Eigenschaften der Frau schreibt
July 5, 2025
absolut problematisch und ganz dolle narzisstisch und super männlich, aber eben auch ein faszinierendes Dokument seiner Zeit, das das moderne Verständnis romantischer (heteronormativer) Liebe und Ehe maßgeblich fundierte … muss man natürlich mit einer extremen kritischen Distanz lesen, aber dann ist es fun
March 22, 2024
La obra deja ver algunas de las opiniones generales de los románticos tempranos, lo que por si solo lo hace interesante de leer. El primer tercio del libro es bueno, muy bueno, pero el estilo y la prosa se hacen pesados a la larga y hace que uno pierda interés.
June 23, 2024
Anfang und Ende sind schrecklich zäh. Der Mittelteil hatte einige schöne Passagen, mit denen ich mich, mehr als ursprünglich gedacht, identifizieren konnte. Allgemein jedoch langweilig und unnötig kompliziert geschrieben.
March 22, 2021
I read it for a class in college, very lyrical. :)
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April 14, 2022Calma, Schlegel. Também não precisa se exaltar.
April 28, 2024
un poco petardo
January 18, 2025
Kann man nicht mehr lesen!
January 25, 2025
war ein uni read - maximal verwirrend, aber ein paar sehr schöne aussagen, die die liebe wunderschön beschreiben!!
April 10, 2018
Fascinating and multi-facetted.
December 21, 2021
Spektakulär langweilig!
January 14, 2026
fast schon kein Roman
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