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Republic / Πολιτεία #1
Πολιτεία, τόμος 1
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Πολιτεία
είναι δημιούργημα του Πλάτωνα, όταν αυτός βρισκόταν στο μεσουράνημα της δημιουργικής ανάπτυξης του στοχασμού του. Κεντρικός πυρήνας του έργου είναι το θέμα της δικαιοσύνης. Πεποίθηση του Πλάτωνα είναι ότι μια ιδανική πολιτεία θα επιτευχθεί από τη λειτουργία του ήθους αρχόντων και αρχομένων.
Υπογραμμίζει τη σημασία της παιδείας για την ανάπτυξη των κοινωνικών αρετών και ιδιαίτερα της δικαιοσύνης. Η μελέτη της Πλατωνικής Πολιτείας μας ανοίγει διάπλατα το δρόμο για μια ζωή φιλοσοφημένη.
Το βιβλίο περιέχει:
Εισαγωγικά στον Πλάτωνα και στην Πολιτεία , ευρεία περίληψη του έργου, μετάφραση, σχόλια, ανάλυση, θέματα-ερωτήματα διδακτικής επεξεργασίας, πλατωνικά επίμετρα, γενική-ειδική βιβλιογραφία.
Υπογραμμίζει τη σημασία της παιδείας για την ανάπτυξη των κοινωνικών αρετών και ιδιαίτερα της δικαιοσύνης. Η μελέτη της Πλατωνικής Πολιτείας μας ανοίγει διάπλατα το δρόμο για μια ζωή φιλοσοφημένη.
Το βιβλίο περιέχει:
Εισαγωγικά στον Πλάτωνα και στην Πολιτεία , ευρεία περίληψη του έργου, μετάφραση, σχόλια, ανάλυση, θέματα-ερωτήματα διδακτικής επεξεργασίας, πλατωνικά επίμετρα, γενική-ειδική βιβλιογραφία.
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Plato
5,210 books8,614 followersPlato (Greek: Πλάτων), born Aristocles (c. 427 – 348 BC), was an ancient Greek philosopher of the Classical period who is considered a foundational thinker in Western philosophy and an innovator of the written dialogue and dialectic forms. He raised problems for what became all the major areas of both theoretical philosophy and practical philosophy, and was the founder of the Platonic Academy, a philosophical school in Athens where Plato taught the doctrines that would later become known as Platonism.
Plato's most famous contribution is the theory of forms (or ideas), which has been interpreted as advancing a solution to what is now known as the problem of universals. He was decisively influenced by the pre-Socratic thinkers Pythagoras, Heraclitus, and Parmenides, although much of what is known about them is derived from Plato himself.
Along with his teacher Socrates, and Aristotle, his student, Plato is a central figure in the history of philosophy. Plato's entire body of work is believed to have survived intact for over 2,400 years—unlike that of nearly all of his contemporaries. Although their popularity has fluctuated, they have consistently been read and studied through the ages. Through Neoplatonism, he also greatly influenced both Christian and Islamic philosophy. In modern times, Alfred North Whitehead famously said: "the safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it consists of a series of footnotes to Plato."
Plato's most famous contribution is the theory of forms (or ideas), which has been interpreted as advancing a solution to what is now known as the problem of universals. He was decisively influenced by the pre-Socratic thinkers Pythagoras, Heraclitus, and Parmenides, although much of what is known about them is derived from Plato himself.
Along with his teacher Socrates, and Aristotle, his student, Plato is a central figure in the history of philosophy. Plato's entire body of work is believed to have survived intact for over 2,400 years—unlike that of nearly all of his contemporaries. Although their popularity has fluctuated, they have consistently been read and studied through the ages. Through Neoplatonism, he also greatly influenced both Christian and Islamic philosophy. In modern times, Alfred North Whitehead famously said: "the safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it consists of a series of footnotes to Plato."
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October 21, 2010
There are two volumes to this set. Shorey's is the best English translation, bar none - and probably the best translation there is -- Though Robin's French translation is important, as is Apelt's German. They, however, do occasionally get things wrong.
But what really makes this Loeb most valuable are Shorey's notes. In reading Shorey, however, one must follow up on the passages cited in the notes, as Shorey will not do the reader's work for him.
Shorey once said that there are many books that should have been articles, and many articles that should have been notes -- and adhered to that standard himself.
Shorey's collected papers are also of great importance, and cover a wide range of topics. But one has to know a great deal about the topic to appreciate them. This Loeb, on the other hand, is accessible to anyone.
But what really makes this Loeb most valuable are Shorey's notes. In reading Shorey, however, one must follow up on the passages cited in the notes, as Shorey will not do the reader's work for him.
Shorey once said that there are many books that should have been articles, and many articles that should have been notes -- and adhered to that standard himself.
Shorey's collected papers are also of great importance, and cover a wide range of topics. But one has to know a great deal about the topic to appreciate them. This Loeb, on the other hand, is accessible to anyone.
February 9, 2017
Plato's Greek is elegant and not difficult for intermediate to advanced students (excepting a few slippery spots) and there are occasional passages where reading the Greek is extremely helpful, so having the original language handy is quite nice. Shorey's translation is careful and accurate, but he does not format the text (as most modern translations do) to make it easy to see who is speaking in the dialogue at any given time. Not a big deal, really, and if you're reading the Loeb you probably have other translations already. Shorey's notes are usually helpful, and more importantly, unobtrusive.
As for the Republic itself, well, it seems to get more radical every time I read it. That's radical as in extreme, not radical like, awesome dude. He did not offer a Coke to Asclepius when he slurped the despot's hemlock. He did not want to teach the world to sing. He really was glad to get off the ride.
As for the Republic itself, well, it seems to get more radical every time I read it. That's radical as in extreme, not radical like, awesome dude. He did not offer a Coke to Asclepius when he slurped the despot's hemlock. He did not want to teach the world to sing. He really was glad to get off the ride.
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October 15, 2024Review in form of a dialogue of Plato’s Republic
Διάλογος περὶ τῆς Πολιτείας τοὺ Πλάτωνος
ΠΡΟΠΟΠΑ· Δημογένης, Ἀριστοκράτης
Δ- κατέβην ἐχθὴς εῖς Περαιᾶ μετὰ Ἀριστοκράτου, ἐθελόμεθα διαλέγεσθαι περὶ τῆς πολιτείας τῆς τοῦ Πλάτωνος
Τὶ δοκεῖ σοὶ περὶ τοῦ βιβλίου, πῶς σὺ αὐτὸ ἐξαγγέλεις
Α ἐγώ σοι, νὴ τὸν Δία ἐρῶ ὦ Δημόγενες οἶόν γέ μοι δοκεῖ, ἀρέσκει μοι πῶς ὑπο Πλάτωνος τὸ ἄρχειν τεχνὴν γίγνεται μονον τοῖς καλοῖς καγαθοῖς
Δ- μὴ δοκεῖ σοι πάντες δεῖ ἀρχεῖν;
Α οὐ δοκεῖ μοι πάντες δεῖ ἀρχεῖν· οἰ πολλοί οὐχ ἔχουσιν τὴν ἀρετὴν, ἣ δὶα ποίουμεν τοὺς δίκαιους ἄρχοντας.
“οὐχι ἑκάστην μέντοι φαμέν ἑκάστοτε τῶν τεχνῶν τούτῳ ἑτέραν εἶναι, τῷ ἑτέραν τὴν δύναμιν ἔχειν” ὥσπερ Πλάτων φησὶν ἢ “οὐκ ἁγαθόν πολυκοιρανίη” κατὰ Ὅμηρον
Δ-μὴ κρίνει περὶ πολλῶν οἱ ἄρχοντες;
Α-πῶς γὰρ οὐ
Δ-ἕκαστοι ἔχωσι τὴν ἀρετὴν κατὰ ἑαυτῶν τέχνην, ἤ οὐ;
Α-ναὶ, ὁ οὖν σκυτότομος φρόνιμος εἰς ὑποδημάτων ἐργασίαν καὶ πᾶν ὅτι τοιοῦτον
Δ-διὰ τὶ οὖν τὸ εὐ ἄρχειν μία τέχνη ἢ μία ἀρετὴ εἴη;
Α-ἡ γὰρ μὶα ἀρετὴ ἐστιν, ἡ οὖν δικαιοσύνη τῷ εὖ ἄρχειν
Δ-τὶ δὲ περὶ τῆς πενίας; δοκεῖ σοῖ ὁτι οἱ πλούσιοι γνώσοντα, περὶ τούτου
Α-οὐ δῆτα
Δ-πῶς οὖν οἱ ἄρχοντες δεῖ βουλεύσθαι περὶ τῶν πενήτων
Α-οἱ οὖν δίκαιοι ἄρχοντες ἔσονται, οὖτοι δὲ δεῖ παιδευθήσονται ἵνα κωλύωσιν τὴν ἀκολοσίαν. Δεησόμεθα χρήσθαι τῷ γενναίῳ ψεύδει μύθους ποιοῦντες
Δ-ἀμελεῖς οὖν περὶ τῆς ἀληθείας;
Α-οὐ ἀμέλω ἀλλὰ φάρμακον τὸ ψεύδευσθαι χρώνενος δὲ ὑπὸ τοῦ ἰατροῦ τῷ ἰατρεύειν
Δ-πῶς οἶσθα ὅ τι ἀναγκαῖον ἐστιν εἰδέναι;
Α-οὗτοι οὐ δύνανται, οἱ γὰρ οὐ πεπαιδευμένοι
Δ-ἀλλ’ ἅπαντες γὰρ δύνανται παιδεύσθαι
Α-συμφωνῶ σοι ὦ φίλε. δεῖ με ἐξέρχεσθαι, εἶς αὖθις
Δ-εἷς αὗθις
To be continued
Διάλογος περὶ τῆς Πολιτείας τοὺ Πλάτωνος
ΠΡΟΠΟΠΑ· Δημογένης, Ἀριστοκράτης
Δ- κατέβην ἐχθὴς εῖς Περαιᾶ μετὰ Ἀριστοκράτου, ἐθελόμεθα διαλέγεσθαι περὶ τῆς πολιτείας τῆς τοῦ Πλάτωνος
Τὶ δοκεῖ σοὶ περὶ τοῦ βιβλίου, πῶς σὺ αὐτὸ ἐξαγγέλεις
Α ἐγώ σοι, νὴ τὸν Δία ἐρῶ ὦ Δημόγενες οἶόν γέ μοι δοκεῖ, ἀρέσκει μοι πῶς ὑπο Πλάτωνος τὸ ἄρχειν τεχνὴν γίγνεται μονον τοῖς καλοῖς καγαθοῖς
Δ- μὴ δοκεῖ σοι πάντες δεῖ ἀρχεῖν;
Α οὐ δοκεῖ μοι πάντες δεῖ ἀρχεῖν· οἰ πολλοί οὐχ ἔχουσιν τὴν ἀρετὴν, ἣ δὶα ποίουμεν τοὺς δίκαιους ἄρχοντας.
“οὐχι ἑκάστην μέντοι φαμέν ἑκάστοτε τῶν τεχνῶν τούτῳ ἑτέραν εἶναι, τῷ ἑτέραν τὴν δύναμιν ἔχειν” ὥσπερ Πλάτων φησὶν ἢ “οὐκ ἁγαθόν πολυκοιρανίη” κατὰ Ὅμηρον
Δ-μὴ κρίνει περὶ πολλῶν οἱ ἄρχοντες;
Α-πῶς γὰρ οὐ
Δ-ἕκαστοι ἔχωσι τὴν ἀρετὴν κατὰ ἑαυτῶν τέχνην, ἤ οὐ;
Α-ναὶ, ὁ οὖν σκυτότομος φρόνιμος εἰς ὑποδημάτων ἐργασίαν καὶ πᾶν ὅτι τοιοῦτον
Δ-διὰ τὶ οὖν τὸ εὐ ἄρχειν μία τέχνη ἢ μία ἀρετὴ εἴη;
Α-ἡ γὰρ μὶα ἀρετὴ ἐστιν, ἡ οὖν δικαιοσύνη τῷ εὖ ἄρχειν
Δ-τὶ δὲ περὶ τῆς πενίας; δοκεῖ σοῖ ὁτι οἱ πλούσιοι γνώσοντα, περὶ τούτου
Α-οὐ δῆτα
Δ-πῶς οὖν οἱ ἄρχοντες δεῖ βουλεύσθαι περὶ τῶν πενήτων
Α-οἱ οὖν δίκαιοι ἄρχοντες ἔσονται, οὖτοι δὲ δεῖ παιδευθήσονται ἵνα κωλύωσιν τὴν ἀκολοσίαν. Δεησόμεθα χρήσθαι τῷ γενναίῳ ψεύδει μύθους ποιοῦντες
Δ-ἀμελεῖς οὖν περὶ τῆς ἀληθείας;
Α-οὐ ἀμέλω ἀλλὰ φάρμακον τὸ ψεύδευσθαι χρώνενος δὲ ὑπὸ τοῦ ἰατροῦ τῷ ἰατρεύειν
Δ-πῶς οἶσθα ὅ τι ἀναγκαῖον ἐστιν εἰδέναι;
Α-οὗτοι οὐ δύνανται, οἱ γὰρ οὐ πεπαιδευμένοι
Δ-ἀλλ’ ἅπαντες γὰρ δύνανται παιδεύσθαι
Α-συμφωνῶ σοι ὦ φίλε. δεῖ με ἐξέρχεσθαι, εἶς αὖθις
Δ-εἷς αὗθις
To be continued
July 18, 2020
This was a helpful and engaging read on the nature of justice. My family and I watched "Batman Begins" last night, and I was struck by how this was another treatise largely about justice. It's obviously a central theme of interest in our lives.
I plan to read the second half (books 6-10) of Plato's Republic. One benefit of this edition is that it includes the original Greek across the page from the modern English translation. One thing about the discourse itself I found disturbing were the oblique references to pedophilia as normative behavior.
I certainly recommend this book to fellow philosophy enthusiasts and those specifically interested in the nature of justice.
I plan to read the second half (books 6-10) of Plato's Republic. One benefit of this edition is that it includes the original Greek across the page from the modern English translation. One thing about the discourse itself I found disturbing were the oblique references to pedophilia as normative behavior.
I certainly recommend this book to fellow philosophy enthusiasts and those specifically interested in the nature of justice.
December 26, 2016
Εξαιρετικο και ευφυεστατο. Μα το τελειωσα με δυσκολια.
November 21, 2023
cannot stand this guy.
July 2, 2024
Το πρώτο μέρος της πλατωνικής Πολιτείας που περιλαμβάνει την εισαγωγή και τα 4 πρώτα βιβλία της. Το έργο ξεκινάει με τον Σωκράτη και τον Γλαύκωνα να γυρίζουν από μια γιορτή και να φιλοξενούνται στο σπίτι του Πολέμαρχου. Ο πατέρας του, Κέφαλος συζητά με τον φιλόσοφο για το γήρας και μετά αποσύρεται.
Έπειτα παρεμβαίνει ο Θρασύμαχος, ο οποίος είναι εριστικός απέναντι στον Σωκράτη, ο οποίος όμως με επιχειρήματα τον κάνει να σωπάσει. Απομένουν ως συνομιλητές μόνον ο Αδείμαντος και ο Γλαύκωνας, με τους οποίους ο φιλόσοφος συζητά διάφορα θέματα όπως η εκδίωξη των ποιητών και των καλλιτεχνών γενικότερα από την ιδανική πολιτεία επειδή παρουσιάζουν λαθεμένη εικόνα για τους θεούς,
Διερευνάται βασικά το θέμα της δικαιοσύνης, τόσο ατομικά στην ψυχή του καθενός, όσο και σε συσχετισμό με την δικαιοσύνη σε όλη την πόλη. Η ιδανική πολιτεία διαχωρίζεται σε τρεις τάξεις πολιτών, φύλακες, επίκουρους και δημιουργούς, οι οποίοι αντιστοιχούν κατά κάποιο τρόπο με το λογιστικό, το θυμοειδές και το επιθυμητικό μέρος της ανθρώπινης ψυχής.
Έπειτα παρεμβαίνει ο Θρασύμαχος, ο οποίος είναι εριστικός απέναντι στον Σωκράτη, ο οποίος όμως με επιχειρήματα τον κάνει να σωπάσει. Απομένουν ως συνομιλητές μόνον ο Αδείμαντος και ο Γλαύκωνας, με τους οποίους ο φιλόσοφος συζητά διάφορα θέματα όπως η εκδίωξη των ποιητών και των καλλιτεχνών γενικότερα από την ιδανική πολιτεία επειδή παρουσιάζουν λαθεμένη εικόνα για τους θεούς,
Διερευνάται βασικά το θέμα της δικαιοσύνης, τόσο ατομικά στην ψυχή του καθενός, όσο και σε συσχετισμό με την δικαιοσύνη σε όλη την πόλη. Η ιδανική πολιτεία διαχωρίζεται σε τρεις τάξεις πολιτών, φύλακες, επίκουρους και δημιουργούς, οι οποίοι αντιστοιχούν κατά κάποιο τρόπο με το λογιστικό, το θυμοειδές και το επιθυμητικό μέρος της ανθρώπινης ψυχής.
May 17, 2020
Αναμφίβολα από τα κορυφαία φιλοσοφικά κείμενα. Το ζήτημα της «ιδανικής» πολιτείας και το πως την δομεί πρέπει να εκληφθεί από τον αναγνώστη κριτικά όπως άλλωστε θα επιθυμούσε ο ίδιος ο Πλάτων. Σε αρκετές περιπτώσεις δυσανασχετώ και λυπάμαι που ξεκίνησα με την κριτική του Ποπερ προτού διαβάσω το βιβλίο και δεν καταφέρνω να το αποδομήσω στο τέλος, αλλά από τις πρώτες σελίδες. Προχωρώ στον δεύτερο τόμο με μια ανυπόμονη διάθεση για διεύρυνση της στοχαστικής σύλλογιστικής μου.
March 17, 2016
I am giving this first volume 4 stars because it is a book I encourage everyone to read. Here you will find the seeds for a great deal of the debates on democracy, justice, liberty, art, and other great ideas. I cannot give it 5 stars, however, because the reasoning that Plato (in the character of Socrates) employs to arrive at his conclusions is laughable, really. There are too many conflations, non-sequiturs, and falsehoods to count. On the other hand, the Greeks were the first to engage in this kind of philosophizing, so it shouldn't really be that surprising that they made many mistakes that we moderns wouldn't make, thanks to the refinement of philosophical argument. The translation by Shorey is old-fashioned, but beautiful nonetheless. If you want to start a "classically liberal" education, pick up this tome. It sparks a lot of what comes after in Western thought.
August 13, 2021
I had bought this edition of the Republic thinking it was similar to the Loeb Classical Library in which it would have English on one side and Greek on the other. Unfortunately... That is not the case! It is just Greek.
Just keep that in mind! In some ways, that can be better since the translations on the Loebs aren't always stellar, and pretty outdated.
Just keep that in mind! In some ways, that can be better since the translations on the Loebs aren't always stellar, and pretty outdated.
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September 4, 2016This is not my preferred translation, but it does have the advantages of being free through Tufts' online Perseus collection, containing both Greek and English, and some of Shorey's memorable renderings.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/c...
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/c...
April 26, 2024
This is one of the most brilliant works of literature in any language or time. I recommend listening to the lectures of Pierre Grimes while studying this work, and recalling that the underlying theme is as a self-referencing metaphor of the soul rather than political policy.
July 29, 2016
This new translation is much clearer that Shorey's old translation in the earlier Loeb edition. The introductions are lengthy and helpful.
September 2, 2014
I love Plato. He is my favorite and I love some of his beliefs and perceptions of the world.
March 15, 2016
I'm convinced that every ancient classic contains something weird or terrific in modern eyes, not only Chinese classics......can't read Greek, only read the English translation
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