A good book that I would recommend to those interested in studying sociology, or more broadly feeling confronted with many of the long-standing confusions and qualms within the discipline - what is sociology? Why do it? How to do it? What does it achieve? In many ways, Bauman answers these questions in a pretty humanistic way, and is critical of calls to increasingly render sociology 'scientific' through the endless quest for empiricism (although obviously he sees a methodological role for all of sociology's many tenets and manifestations, just the inherent untenability of some who are desperately yearning for us to 'be a science' in any meaningful way). Probably a lot of this stems from his role in a (possibly currently unfashionable?) tradition of social theory, but also inevitably from what he deems inherent challenges within sociology, and challenges to the granting of its academic legitimacy ('being taken seriously'), which is admittedly easily questioned: these challenges can be found by looking at the heart of what sociology is and does. For one, how can we confidently say that we know more about subjects than they know about themselves? Bauman rightfully points out that the lines between expert and layperson, and 'sociological' and simply 'human' knowledge, are extremely blurry and much more unclear than in other fields, where, for example, a physicist can be said to concretely know more about, or have a degree of specific expert knowledge, over others outside of their field. This question might become increasingly prescient with calls for public sociology by the likes of Michael Burawoy, which I think are critical (sociology is, after all, about human societies, and we are crucially reliant on not fading into irrelevance with the social publics and arena upon which our knowledge and study is contingent), but undoubtedly present dilemmas for the 'academy' and muddy this boundary further. And then there is the question of the subject matter itself, human beings - is reality ever truly available to us, with the subjectivity and ambiguity inherent in human relations, communication, and reflexivity? Can we, societally, be trusted, or are we too unreliable, too unpredictable, too constantly changing and too unstable in the esoteric knowledge we have and (perhaps faultily) communicate about ourselves and others? This is just one of many lines of inquiry explored that I find interesting, and I think Bauman's interviewers do a great job of guiding the conversation, asking about pressing topics, and letting him talk eloquently as he does. There are some far less surprising or remarkable takes, but nevertheless important ones - society as something we make instead of just being made by (cf David Graeber?), sociology as useful in helping us to generate knowledge about ourselves, and to also systematically locate issues of individual suffering and strife outside of the individual and into the realm of wider social ills and societal failings, sociology as being all about exposing what is normative or taken for granted and, as such, denaturalising that, and additionally, perhaps more uniquely, about the reorientation of sociology from being a science and technology of unfreedom to a science and technology of freedom. Bauman is very concerned with questions of human freedom, and this as a priority for his work but also as a profound issue within sociology and sociological objectives (cf Talcott Parsons' Hobbes Problem). One final point of discussion before I wrap up this incoherent review: I came into this familiar with some of Bauman's other work (namely 'Modernity and the Holocaust' and 'Liquid Modernity'). This book did have some interesting follow-up on the concept of liquid modernity and what this means for human civilisation - for Bauman, liquid modernity (wrongly, he argues, dubbed 'postmodernity' by some) is "the growing conviction that change is the only permanence, and uncertainty the only certainty." Modernity is no longer about having reached a point of stability, perfection, and finality, but about the chronic status of progress and complete lack of a 'final state.' Liquidity can thus be seen as a consequence of prior solidity (or the quest for it within the realm of Enlightenment modernity), not a point of opposition. And furthermore, this has included a recognition of the fact that liquidity, or liquid urges, have always somewhat been at the core of the project(s) of modernity - human society, at least in its Western/'modern' variety, has always been partially imbued with a "fear of things that are fixed too firmly to permit dismantling." Acknowledging this as a crucial source in the movement of human history is hence integral to what Bauman deems to be the "liquid modern" condition and era. Reminds me, perhaps erroneously, of one of my many favourite quotes from Tony Kushner's 'Angels in America' - “It's the price of rootlessness. Motion sickness. The only cure: to keep moving.”