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Avengers Forever #7-12
Avengers: Forever, Teil 2
The Avengers' epic battle through time and space continues! Travelling to Immortus' stronghold in the heart of Limbo, the team discover the terrible truth behind his recent actions. Against seemingly impossible odds, they must find a way to defeat the Master of Time and safeguard the future of the human race.
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First published August 14, 2013
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Kurt Busiek
1,859 books627 followersKurt Busiek is an American comic book writer notable for his work on the Marvels limited series, his own title Astro City, and his four-year run on Avengers.
Busiek did not read comics as a youngster, as his parents disapproved of them. He began to read them regularly around the age of 14, when he picked up a copy of Daredevil #120. This was the first part of a continuity-heavy four-part story arc; Busiek was drawn to the copious history and cross-connections with other series. Throughout high school and college, he and future writer Scott McCloud practiced making comics. During this time, Busiek also had many letters published in comic book letter columns, and originated the theory that the Phoenix was a separate being who had impersonated Jean Grey, and that therefore Grey had not died—a premise which made its way from freelancer to freelancer, and which was eventually used in the comics.
During the last semester of his senior year, Busiek submitted some sample scripts to editor Dick Giordano at DC Comics. None of them sold, but they did get him invitations to pitch other material to DC editors, which led to his first professional work, a back-up story in Green Lantern #162 (Mar. 1983).
Busiek has worked on a number of different titles in his career, including Arrowsmith, The Avengers, Icon, Iron Man, The Liberty Project, Ninjak, The Power Company, Red Tornado, Shockrockets, Superman: Secret Identity, Thunderbolts, Untold Tales of Spider-Man, JLA, and the award-winning Marvels and the Homage Comics title Kurt Busiek's Astro City.
In 1997, Busiek began a stint as writer of Avengers alongside artist George Pérez. Pérez departed from the series in 2000, but Busiek continued as writer for two more years, collaborating with artists Alan Davis, Kieron Dwyer and others. Busiek's tenure culminated with the "Kang Dynasty" storyline. In 2003, Busiek re-teamed with Perez to create the JLA/Avengers limited series.
In 2003, Busiek began a new Conan series for Dark Horse Comics, which he wrote for four years.
In December 2005 Busiek signed a two-year exclusive contract with DC Comics. During DC's Infinite Crisis event, he teamed with Geoff Johns on a "One Year Later" eight-part story arc (called Up, Up and Away) that encompassed both Superman titles. In addition, he began writing the DC title Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis from issues 40-49. Busiek was the writer of Superman for two years, before followed by James Robinson starting from Superman #677. Busiek wrote a 52-issue weekly DC miniseries called Trinity, starring Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. Each issue (except for issue #1) featured a 12-page main story by Busiek, with art by Mark Bagley, and a ten-page backup story co-written by Busiek and Fabian Nicieza, with art from various artists, including Tom Derenick, Mike Norton and Scott McDaniel.
Busiek's work has won him numerous awards in the comics industry, including the Harvey Award for Best Writer in 1998 and the Eisner Award for Best Writer in 1999. In 1994, with Marvels, he won Best Finite Series/Limited Series Eisner Award and the Best Continuing or Limited Series Harvey Award; as well as the Harvey Award for Best Single Issue or Story (for Marvels #4) in 1995. In 1996, with Astro City, Busiek won both the Eisner and Harvey awards for Best New Series. He won the Best Single Issue/Single Story Eisner three years in a row from 1996–1998, as well as in 2004. Busiek won the Best Continuing Series Eisner Award in 1997–1998, as well as the Best Serialized Story award in 1998. In addition, Astro City was awarded the 1996 Best Single Issue or Story Harvey Award, and the 1998 Harvey Award for Best Continuing or Limited Series.
Busiek was given the 1998 and 1999 Comics Buyer's Guide Awards for Favorite Writer, with additional nominations in 1997 and every year from 2000 to 2004. He has also received numerous Squiddy Awards, having been selected as favorite writer four years in a row from 1995 to 1998,
Busiek did not read comics as a youngster, as his parents disapproved of them. He began to read them regularly around the age of 14, when he picked up a copy of Daredevil #120. This was the first part of a continuity-heavy four-part story arc; Busiek was drawn to the copious history and cross-connections with other series. Throughout high school and college, he and future writer Scott McCloud practiced making comics. During this time, Busiek also had many letters published in comic book letter columns, and originated the theory that the Phoenix was a separate being who had impersonated Jean Grey, and that therefore Grey had not died—a premise which made its way from freelancer to freelancer, and which was eventually used in the comics.
During the last semester of his senior year, Busiek submitted some sample scripts to editor Dick Giordano at DC Comics. None of them sold, but they did get him invitations to pitch other material to DC editors, which led to his first professional work, a back-up story in Green Lantern #162 (Mar. 1983).
Busiek has worked on a number of different titles in his career, including Arrowsmith, The Avengers, Icon, Iron Man, The Liberty Project, Ninjak, The Power Company, Red Tornado, Shockrockets, Superman: Secret Identity, Thunderbolts, Untold Tales of Spider-Man, JLA, and the award-winning Marvels and the Homage Comics title Kurt Busiek's Astro City.
In 1997, Busiek began a stint as writer of Avengers alongside artist George Pérez. Pérez departed from the series in 2000, but Busiek continued as writer for two more years, collaborating with artists Alan Davis, Kieron Dwyer and others. Busiek's tenure culminated with the "Kang Dynasty" storyline. In 2003, Busiek re-teamed with Perez to create the JLA/Avengers limited series.
In 2003, Busiek began a new Conan series for Dark Horse Comics, which he wrote for four years.
In December 2005 Busiek signed a two-year exclusive contract with DC Comics. During DC's Infinite Crisis event, he teamed with Geoff Johns on a "One Year Later" eight-part story arc (called Up, Up and Away) that encompassed both Superman titles. In addition, he began writing the DC title Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis from issues 40-49. Busiek was the writer of Superman for two years, before followed by James Robinson starting from Superman #677. Busiek wrote a 52-issue weekly DC miniseries called Trinity, starring Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. Each issue (except for issue #1) featured a 12-page main story by Busiek, with art by Mark Bagley, and a ten-page backup story co-written by Busiek and Fabian Nicieza, with art from various artists, including Tom Derenick, Mike Norton and Scott McDaniel.
Busiek's work has won him numerous awards in the comics industry, including the Harvey Award for Best Writer in 1998 and the Eisner Award for Best Writer in 1999. In 1994, with Marvels, he won Best Finite Series/Limited Series Eisner Award and the Best Continuing or Limited Series Harvey Award; as well as the Harvey Award for Best Single Issue or Story (for Marvels #4) in 1995. In 1996, with Astro City, Busiek won both the Eisner and Harvey awards for Best New Series. He won the Best Single Issue/Single Story Eisner three years in a row from 1996–1998, as well as in 2004. Busiek won the Best Continuing Series Eisner Award in 1997–1998, as well as the Best Serialized Story award in 1998. In addition, Astro City was awarded the 1996 Best Single Issue or Story Harvey Award, and the 1998 Harvey Award for Best Continuing or Limited Series.
Busiek was given the 1998 and 1999 Comics Buyer's Guide Awards for Favorite Writer, with additional nominations in 1997 and every year from 2000 to 2004. He has also received numerous Squiddy Awards, having been selected as favorite writer four years in a row from 1995 to 1998,
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June 20, 2017
Good! So I FINALLY after like 4 or 5 years of searching I finally found this second part of the Avengers Forever storyline, was it worth the wait? Well mostly yes, this volume does continue and end the story line pretty well, and for the most part its still a fun read! Artwork is also still up to par, with some epic two page spread shots, I like the colours and its just overall a great comic to look at. Only real issues I have is the same as the first part which is the over exposition of everything and this trade has 2 whole issues of just explaining which can get really boring at times. They also tie this book and all the time traveling stuff to events that happened in the comics; if you were reading comics at the time it would make sense but if your reading it now in 2017 like me your not gonna know what the heck there talking about! It also like most events has a gigantic finale with like 100 characters on the page which looks nice with the art I won't lie, but it can be jarring story wise. But overall I'm glad to have finally read the end of this story, and I do recommend this series if you can get both parts.
August 3, 2020
Ειναι το πρωτο βιβλιο της σειρας που με κουρασε τοσο που, τεσσερις μερες μετα, ακομα δεν το εχω τελειωσει. Πολυ καλο σχεδιο αλλα η ιστορια ειναι τοσο μπλεγμενη που τραβας τα μαλλια σου - ειδικα αν εχεις διαβασει ραντομ τευχη (οπως εγω) και δεν γνωριζεις απεξω κι ανακατωτα το συμπαν της Μαρβελ.
September 19, 2020
Péssimo. Papo explanatório chatíssimo.
May 16, 2021
The team of Avengers who were pulled out of time to protect Rick Jones continue their investigation of the machinations of Immortus. They soon discover that Immortus is serving a group known as the Time-Keepers whose fear of humanity's aggression is leading them to attempt destroying countless timelines and, in the process, countless lives.
I had not enjoyed Part 1 of this story, so this book had a lot of ground to make up and, to be fair, it did win me over a little. The disparate and random events of the first half of the story are pulled together into a somewhat more cohesive narrative by the revelation of a clear threat for the Avengers to focus on stopping. There's also a nice bit of moral dilemma when the Avengers realise that to ensure humanity's freedom, they also have to risk humanity becoming the scourge of the universe.
However, just because it's an improvement over Part 1 doesn't mean this is a good book.
Busiek and Stern lean really heavily into the 30-odd years of Avengers continuity and it often feels like its just ticking boxes for fans with good memories. Usually I'm totally okay with that sort of fan-service but here it just feels excessive and self-indulgent.
Added to that is some heavy-handed retconning that arbitrarily claims that Immortus was behind about half of everything that happened to the Avengers throughout their history. Again usually I'm okay with retcons, but once again here it's overplayed and feels more like it cheapens the original stories in an attempt to add weight to this lacklustre new story.
Overall, whilst a definite improvement over Part 1, this book doesn't do enough to redeem the whole story and I now see why 'Avengers Forever' isn't regarded as one of the great crossovers.
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I had not enjoyed Part 1 of this story, so this book had a lot of ground to make up and, to be fair, it did win me over a little. The disparate and random events of the first half of the story are pulled together into a somewhat more cohesive narrative by the revelation of a clear threat for the Avengers to focus on stopping. There's also a nice bit of moral dilemma when the Avengers realise that to ensure humanity's freedom, they also have to risk humanity becoming the scourge of the universe.
However, just because it's an improvement over Part 1 doesn't mean this is a good book.
Busiek and Stern lean really heavily into the 30-odd years of Avengers continuity and it often feels like its just ticking boxes for fans with good memories. Usually I'm totally okay with that sort of fan-service but here it just feels excessive and self-indulgent.
Added to that is some heavy-handed retconning that arbitrarily claims that Immortus was behind about half of everything that happened to the Avengers throughout their history. Again usually I'm okay with retcons, but once again here it's overplayed and feels more like it cheapens the original stories in an attempt to add weight to this lacklustre new story.
Overall, whilst a definite improvement over Part 1, this book doesn't do enough to redeem the whole story and I now see why 'Avengers Forever' isn't regarded as one of the great crossovers.
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February 17, 2019
I enjoyed the art work. To get the most from the story you'd need to be much more of an expert on the history of the Avengers than I, many of the scenarios and relationships were lost on me. I gave up attempting to figure out whether the multiple time/dimension hopping actually made sense and just ploughed on.
June 24, 2022
Le voy a poner un 3 porque el arte de Pacheco está al nivel de Pérez. Pero la historia me hizo sentir que estaba leyendo una reestructuracion de la historia de los Avengers en su relación con Kang e Immortus, sin tener mayor idea de muchas sagas. Creo que si no eres un docto de los Avengers, esto no es para tí, y menos para mí.
April 26, 2020
a lot that's interesting happens here, in that somehow the story propels forward and reaches a decent conclusion, but also it falls apart and raises more questions and plotholes than it answers and resolves. still, there's a good sense of the stakes as they fight for survival
June 1, 2019
It's pretty messed up, but action packed.
December 24, 2019
A very complex plot which took some of the joy out of it.
It gets better as it goes
It gets better as it goes
April 28, 2020
Flat characters.
Boring plot.
Bland art.
And so.
Much.
Fucking.
Narration!
3.5/10
Boring plot.
Bland art.
And so.
Much.
Fucking.
Narration!
3.5/10
November 10, 2020
Αποκορύφωση και μεγαλείο στον υπέρτατο βαθμό σε όλα τα επίπεδα: ιστορία, σχέδιο, μελάνια, ρυθμό, χαρακτήρες. Must read.
July 15, 2022
Can't wait to see MCU Immortus
April 11, 2013
This is the second part of a two part story and I'm afraid my rating for the story is staying at 3.
I thought the first part suffered because of its close proximity in this series to another story which treated time in a completely different way than is represented in these story. This normally wouldn't be a problem for me when reading stories set in different worlds, but when both stories are set in the same story universe (i.e., the Marvel universe) then it leaves me wondering if there is any true canon for the milieu.
The reason why this book didn't change my overall opinion is that I found there was just too much of the Avengers fighting against overwhelming odds (and not suffering any real consequences) while the real story unfolded through the eyes of other characters. Heck, Hawkeye even ends the entire story with as many arrows in his quiver as when he started, and all the character's costumes show no sign of wear and tear, despite the fact they are fighting for most of the book. Sheesh. How likely is that?
Some of the subplots were interesting. The Kang/Immortus one (their names and pictures appear on the back cover, so no spoiler there) was my favourite and showed the connection between these two characters well, in my opinion.
With regard to artwork, I feel that the artist should have showed some lasting effects on the characters to improve the verisimilitude of the story.
I thought the first part suffered because of its close proximity in this series to another story which treated time in a completely different way than is represented in these story. This normally wouldn't be a problem for me when reading stories set in different worlds, but when both stories are set in the same story universe (i.e., the Marvel universe) then it leaves me wondering if there is any true canon for the milieu.
The reason why this book didn't change my overall opinion is that I found there was just too much of the Avengers fighting against overwhelming odds (and not suffering any real consequences) while the real story unfolded through the eyes of other characters. Heck, Hawkeye even ends the entire story with as many arrows in his quiver as when he started, and all the character's costumes show no sign of wear and tear, despite the fact they are fighting for most of the book. Sheesh. How likely is that?
Some of the subplots were interesting. The Kang/Immortus one (their names and pictures appear on the back cover, so no spoiler there) was my favourite and showed the connection between these two characters well, in my opinion.
With regard to artwork, I feel that the artist should have showed some lasting effects on the characters to improve the verisimilitude of the story.
March 1, 2015
This Review is for both Avengers Forever Part 1 and Part 2.
Well this was an enjoyable mess. It did my head in trying to keep track of all the threads that were going through this story. I applaud Kurt Busiek's ability to keep all the balls in play as he creates a secret history (not a secret anymore) of the history of the Marvel Universe and the Avengers interactions with Immortus and Kang the the Conquerer (among others).
My problem with this and most of the other Marvel reboots is the lack of consequences. As Hawkeye says at one point 'Doesn't anyone stay dead any more?' A sentiment echoed by Captain America later who says 'I've fought too many foes over the years who've returned from seeming death'. So kudos to Busiek for ay least acknowledging the problem.
Well this was an enjoyable mess. It did my head in trying to keep track of all the threads that were going through this story. I applaud Kurt Busiek's ability to keep all the balls in play as he creates a secret history (not a secret anymore) of the history of the Marvel Universe and the Avengers interactions with Immortus and Kang the the Conquerer (among others).
My problem with this and most of the other Marvel reboots is the lack of consequences. As Hawkeye says at one point 'Doesn't anyone stay dead any more?' A sentiment echoed by Captain America later who says 'I've fought too many foes over the years who've returned from seeming death'. So kudos to Busiek for ay least acknowledging the problem.
February 17, 2014
I guess because I read the first one, I knew what to expect. This one was marginally better as a result and didn't feel like such a struggle. Possibly because I'd had my brain stretched out by the first, never to spring back again.
November 19, 2013
It took me quite a while to finish this one. Perhaps too overly complicated. But I did enjoy the way it was tied-up in the end and the final battle was good. A story worth reading, but not re-reading.
June 18, 2013
Tried so hard to finish it....
November 20, 2012
This is part two (issues 7-12) of a story I found to be quite tedious to get through.
June 11, 2017
A satisfactory end to the tale (spread across 2 parts). As a long serving Marvel reader I was in the fortunate boat of having read most of the stories that inspired this book and the various inconsistencies that sprung over the decades (not least the various Vision origin stories) meant that the landscape changed with each new author tackling the issue. It was a brave attempt to weave all the various strands into one and is ultimately rewarding for those who have read the comics for going on 40 years, oh dear!
Great artwork, clever writing and a good selection of characters, in particular the Yellowjacket whose addition meant you are never quite sure of his agenda. I do find the Rick Jones character intensely annoying as despite his long serving time and encounters over the years he still seems to be portrayed as the irritating teenager complete with 60's and 70's catchphrases. He may be integral to the plot but I could easily skip his bits.
Given its disjointed nature I only awarded 4 stars but thoroughly enjoyed it.
Great artwork, clever writing and a good selection of characters, in particular the Yellowjacket whose addition meant you are never quite sure of his agenda. I do find the Rick Jones character intensely annoying as despite his long serving time and encounters over the years he still seems to be portrayed as the irritating teenager complete with 60's and 70's catchphrases. He may be integral to the plot but I could easily skip his bits.
Given its disjointed nature I only awarded 4 stars but thoroughly enjoyed it.
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