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The Invisible Hands: Top Hedge Fund Traders on Bubbles, Crashes, and Real Money
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"Drobny does it again!"
—JIM ROGERS, author of A Gift to My Children
"While many are too busy trying to determine 'what just happened,' the insights of these Invisible Hands provide a valuable forward-looking road map for managing institutional portfolios. With trillions at stake for our society's pensions, endowments, and foundations, this book offers important lessons for any fiduciary charged with stewarding assets for future generations."
—MICHAEL K. BARRY, Chief Investment Officer, Georgetown University Endowment
"Anyone looking for a better understanding of how to invest in turbulent waters will benefit from this guided tour of the experiences of smart and creative money managers over the last couple of years. Pick up a copy and enjoy!"
—ARMINIO FRAGA, Founding Partner, Gávea Investimentos, and former president, Central Bank of Brazil
"Drobny's pathbreaking work analyzes the deficiencies of real money investors and proposes antidotes gleaned from the techniques of top macro hedge fund managers."
—Dr. JOHN PORTER, Managing Director, Global Portfolio and Liquidity Management, Barclays Capital
"Once again, Drobny taps the most influential minds in investing to unearth some decidedly uncommon wisdom and candid revelations. The Invisible Hands maps out the winners and losers, empowering readers to navigate the transformation of the money management industry currently in full swing."
—JOHN BRYNJOLFSSON, CIO, Armored Wolf, and former portfolio manager of the $80 billion PIMCO Real Return practice
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First published March 18, 2010
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February 7, 2018
In this book, Steven Drobny interviews primarily macro hedge fund managers who actually finished the year up during the Great Financial Crisis of 2008 (two of them were marginally down), while 'real money' managers like pension funds, endowments, insurance companies, etc. suffered huge losses. The interesting angle is that he selected those who didn't make spectacular gains by making specific one-off bets on the subprime bust, like John Paulson who reportedly made $4 billion from the crisis and the various other personalities covered in 'The Big Short' by Michael Lewis. In other words, Drobny wanted to identify those managers who were just going about their ordinary business, while making sure they were adequately hedged against tail risks and to see if their strategies could be applied to 'real money' portfolios.
This was an interesting read, although a bit esoteric at times, with the central theme being an almost religious focus on managing risk and asset correlations (even at the cost of extra return). The magic of compounding works but only if one avoids huge drawdowns, even if they only occur very rarely. The asymmetric relationship between gains vs losses can really do significant damage to years of compounded gains.
This was an interesting read, although a bit esoteric at times, with the central theme being an almost religious focus on managing risk and asset correlations (even at the cost of extra return). The magic of compounding works but only if one avoids huge drawdowns, even if they only occur very rarely. The asymmetric relationship between gains vs losses can really do significant damage to years of compounded gains.
December 8, 2018
The Invisible Hands attempts to critique and improve the long-term investment performance of real money managers (pension funds; endowments; etc) by studying the techniques of top hedge fund managers, primarily those engaged in macro investing. The book is a long set of interviews with these top fund managers. You'll learn from this book. It is more theoretical and general; it is not intended to leave the reader with a specific investment plan(s). However, it does offer excellent, valuable perspectives from some of the world's best investors. The downsides: (1) the book was a little long; (2) the interview style lent itself to shallow, uninteresting and unchallenged answers at times; and (3) the book was repetitive in parts where managers shared the same investing style and investing philosophies. I recommend the read for individual investors only if you are super-serious about your investing. Otherwise, I am afraid you'll find it unhelpful and uninteresting.
October 6, 2010
Excellent and deep. Nothing you can take away and immediately implement, but tons to chew over about how these top money managers (across different asset classes -- bonds, equities, commodities, multi strat) approach the markets, think about and dig deep into what they do. Definitely something to reread and I will get for my shelf when the paperback comes out.
One thing I do take-away, which I have suspected for a while, is that top money managers with large portfolios all use deep fundamental research. Many do use technical analysis and price action to enter/exit trades, but their positions seem to almost invariably hang on a fundamental view. Several managers also make interesting distinctions between portfolio management (even that at a hedge fund), proprietary trading, and real money management (pension funds, endowments, etc).
One thing I do take-away, which I have suspected for a while, is that top money managers with large portfolios all use deep fundamental research. Many do use technical analysis and price action to enter/exit trades, but their positions seem to almost invariably hang on a fundamental view. Several managers also make interesting distinctions between portfolio management (even that at a hedge fund), proprietary trading, and real money management (pension funds, endowments, etc).
November 11, 2016
Found it a bit boring.
August 26, 2016
I was excited to purchase this book following Inside the House of Money, but found it noticeably weaker. My main complaint would be that Drobny focused very narrowly on real money and should have just renamed the title "The Smoke and Mirrors in Pension Funds." Traders or other fund managers might develop a negative view of real money after reading this.
First off, the managers and interviews in this book are much more academic and less practical than normal fund managers. Generally, Inside the House of Money or even Market Wizards featured interviewees who were articulate and could justify their thesis: i.e. "trade X works because of factors A and B, but you must consider that you are at risk of C". Few of the managers in this book were too theoretical, and too much "hocus-pocus" with no substance I found; in other words, expect a lot of big words and useless highly technical finance jargon backing up trade ideas and theories. Frankly, if one cannot explain to their grandmother an idea, it is usually likely he/she doesn't understand their own idea. For example, an excerpt talks about one managers approach to testing attractiveness of trades: "This approach is anchored by Bayesian methods.. we shrink my expected returns towards zero rather than towards some equilibrium model forecast, the latter of which is more appropriate given our macro focus, We then input that adjusted expected return into the Titanic funnel, which assesses how much it will lose in a variety of cataclysms, giving me the recommended position." Give me a break, this person should be teaching statistics somewhere, not managing a large pension. Is he really providing some edge or alpha to his investors? By the way, Taleb gives a great counter to Bayesian Methods in his book Black Swan using a Thanksgiving turkey as an example. Does Bayes method give you any information fundamental on what your buying? (sometimes even pork bellies can be made to look attractive if you overfit the data enough)
Also, it seemed that there was some implied praise for the Endowment Model by Swensen (Yale) throughout the book, almost as if the book itself was an advocate for it. Problem is, the whole Endowment model revolves improving returns by selling risk premia and buying illiquid assets. Ok I agree it's a good point of real money investors who are un-levered and can withstand mark to markets. Retail investors certainly can learn this and consider the effect of "time arbitrage." But it seems these guys forget that the quality of the asset and the price you pay determine the return, and they in fact simply target illiquid assets regardless of these other important factors. Besides, this concept is not new, probably as old as the history of trading, and for sure practiced by Meriwether / Long Term Capital.
On the bright side, there was a chapter by Jim Leitner which did give some great insights. For instance, he suggested that you could get exposure to hyperinflation via equity derivatives, specifically long upside out of the money calls or even long EuroSTOXX dividend swaps, pointing out correctly that EuroSTOXX dividends are priced at a discount further into the longer dated curve. As a follow up, a few other hedge funds have also suggested buying extremely out of the money calls (say 10'000 strike calls on SPX), so that trade has been repriced.
First off, the managers and interviews in this book are much more academic and less practical than normal fund managers. Generally, Inside the House of Money or even Market Wizards featured interviewees who were articulate and could justify their thesis: i.e. "trade X works because of factors A and B, but you must consider that you are at risk of C". Few of the managers in this book were too theoretical, and too much "hocus-pocus" with no substance I found; in other words, expect a lot of big words and useless highly technical finance jargon backing up trade ideas and theories. Frankly, if one cannot explain to their grandmother an idea, it is usually likely he/she doesn't understand their own idea. For example, an excerpt talks about one managers approach to testing attractiveness of trades: "This approach is anchored by Bayesian methods.. we shrink my expected returns towards zero rather than towards some equilibrium model forecast, the latter of which is more appropriate given our macro focus, We then input that adjusted expected return into the Titanic funnel, which assesses how much it will lose in a variety of cataclysms, giving me the recommended position." Give me a break, this person should be teaching statistics somewhere, not managing a large pension. Is he really providing some edge or alpha to his investors? By the way, Taleb gives a great counter to Bayesian Methods in his book Black Swan using a Thanksgiving turkey as an example. Does Bayes method give you any information fundamental on what your buying? (sometimes even pork bellies can be made to look attractive if you overfit the data enough)
Also, it seemed that there was some implied praise for the Endowment Model by Swensen (Yale) throughout the book, almost as if the book itself was an advocate for it. Problem is, the whole Endowment model revolves improving returns by selling risk premia and buying illiquid assets. Ok I agree it's a good point of real money investors who are un-levered and can withstand mark to markets. Retail investors certainly can learn this and consider the effect of "time arbitrage." But it seems these guys forget that the quality of the asset and the price you pay determine the return, and they in fact simply target illiquid assets regardless of these other important factors. Besides, this concept is not new, probably as old as the history of trading, and for sure practiced by Meriwether / Long Term Capital.
On the bright side, there was a chapter by Jim Leitner which did give some great insights. For instance, he suggested that you could get exposure to hyperinflation via equity derivatives, specifically long upside out of the money calls or even long EuroSTOXX dividend swaps, pointing out correctly that EuroSTOXX dividends are priced at a discount further into the longer dated curve. As a follow up, a few other hedge funds have also suggested buying extremely out of the money calls (say 10'000 strike calls on SPX), so that trade has been repriced.
March 13, 2013
brilliant
August 20, 2023
"The Invisible Hands: Top Hedge Fund Traders on Bubbles, Crashes, and Real Money," penned by Steven Drobny and released in 2010, provides an enthralling window into the realm of hedge fund traders and their profound grasp of financial markets, economic cycles, and risk management.
The book takes readers on a transformative journey through profound interviews with an array of successful hedge fund traders. Within these dialogues, the author delves into their strategies, thought processes, and methodologies for navigating market volatility. These investors generously share invaluable insights across a spectrum of topics, encompassing financial bubbles, market crashes, and the shrewd exploitation of opportunities within intricate market scenarios.
Upon revisiting the book for a second time, a decade after the initial read, its allure deepens further. This can be attributed to a heightened comprehension of investment, acquired over the intervening years, and the compelling juxtaposition between prior predictions and actual occurrences.
A standout chapter illuminates "The House," likely alluding to none other than Ray Dalio. In 2009, Dalio sounded a cautionary note about potential bubbles if lessons from the 2008 financial crisis remained unheeded. The core lessons highlighted the imperative of raising interest rates, as low rates fuel speculation and other undesirable behaviors.
The course of events has yielded remarkable transformations. Between 2010 and 2020, the US publicly traded corporate sector experienced its most impressive profit growth to date (data since 1870). This upswing was propelled by interest rates that dipped even lower than during the global financial crisis. In 2019, the total of $17 trillion in loans reached negative interest rates. Publicly traded companies astutely capitalized on this climate by leveraging debt for share buybacks, ushering in a remarkable and distinctive era for stock investors from 2010 to 2020, marked by soaring returns for shareholders.
The "commodity hedger" also underscored the anticipation of diminished returns on Western equities due to overvaluation and overinvestment. Hugh Hendry, renowned as the "Plasticine Macro Trader," envisioned a somber future following multiple decades of excellent stock performance between 1990 and 2010. Historical data underscores that stocks have never exhibited such strength over a thirty-year period, suggesting a conceivable dramatic correction ahead. The intensity of the 1974 crash was such that the real Dow Jones index regressed to levels akin to those in 1906. From this, the Plasticine Macro Trader deduced that stock indices can undergo substantial setbacks during periods of adversity.
The book also offers intriguing insights from "The Commodity Investor," likely Jean-Marc Daniel, who indicated an 11% surge in oil consumption in the Middle East and a 40% upswing in domestic consumption since 2000. He predicted a swift escalation in oil prices, but the American oil revolution abruptly reshaped the landscape, propelling the United States to the zenith as the foremost oil exporter. Remarkably, the era between 2010 and 2020 proved unfavorable for oil investors.
This synopsis barely grazes the surface of the book's 444 pages. It underscores the paramount significance of risk management and the necessity to adapt to evolving market dynamics, given the divergence between foresight and actuality.
The book unveils how hedge funds amalgamate intricate analyses, encompassing fundamental, technical, and macroeconomic considerations, to forge well-informed investment choices. Furthermore, it delves into the psychological dimensions of trading, accentuating the gravity of emotional equilibrium and judicious decision-making.
In summation, "The Invisible Hands" furnishes profound insights into the universe of hedge fund traders, their trials, and prospects. It stands as an invaluable trove for both fledgling and seasoned investors who aspire to fathom the mechanics of hedge fund operations and the navigation of market dynamics. A revisit a decade later attests to its perennial relevance, prompting me to reinstate it onto my reading roster for another 10 years.
The book takes readers on a transformative journey through profound interviews with an array of successful hedge fund traders. Within these dialogues, the author delves into their strategies, thought processes, and methodologies for navigating market volatility. These investors generously share invaluable insights across a spectrum of topics, encompassing financial bubbles, market crashes, and the shrewd exploitation of opportunities within intricate market scenarios.
Upon revisiting the book for a second time, a decade after the initial read, its allure deepens further. This can be attributed to a heightened comprehension of investment, acquired over the intervening years, and the compelling juxtaposition between prior predictions and actual occurrences.
A standout chapter illuminates "The House," likely alluding to none other than Ray Dalio. In 2009, Dalio sounded a cautionary note about potential bubbles if lessons from the 2008 financial crisis remained unheeded. The core lessons highlighted the imperative of raising interest rates, as low rates fuel speculation and other undesirable behaviors.
The course of events has yielded remarkable transformations. Between 2010 and 2020, the US publicly traded corporate sector experienced its most impressive profit growth to date (data since 1870). This upswing was propelled by interest rates that dipped even lower than during the global financial crisis. In 2019, the total of $17 trillion in loans reached negative interest rates. Publicly traded companies astutely capitalized on this climate by leveraging debt for share buybacks, ushering in a remarkable and distinctive era for stock investors from 2010 to 2020, marked by soaring returns for shareholders.
The "commodity hedger" also underscored the anticipation of diminished returns on Western equities due to overvaluation and overinvestment. Hugh Hendry, renowned as the "Plasticine Macro Trader," envisioned a somber future following multiple decades of excellent stock performance between 1990 and 2010. Historical data underscores that stocks have never exhibited such strength over a thirty-year period, suggesting a conceivable dramatic correction ahead. The intensity of the 1974 crash was such that the real Dow Jones index regressed to levels akin to those in 1906. From this, the Plasticine Macro Trader deduced that stock indices can undergo substantial setbacks during periods of adversity.
The book also offers intriguing insights from "The Commodity Investor," likely Jean-Marc Daniel, who indicated an 11% surge in oil consumption in the Middle East and a 40% upswing in domestic consumption since 2000. He predicted a swift escalation in oil prices, but the American oil revolution abruptly reshaped the landscape, propelling the United States to the zenith as the foremost oil exporter. Remarkably, the era between 2010 and 2020 proved unfavorable for oil investors.
This synopsis barely grazes the surface of the book's 444 pages. It underscores the paramount significance of risk management and the necessity to adapt to evolving market dynamics, given the divergence between foresight and actuality.
The book unveils how hedge funds amalgamate intricate analyses, encompassing fundamental, technical, and macroeconomic considerations, to forge well-informed investment choices. Furthermore, it delves into the psychological dimensions of trading, accentuating the gravity of emotional equilibrium and judicious decision-making.
In summation, "The Invisible Hands" furnishes profound insights into the universe of hedge fund traders, their trials, and prospects. It stands as an invaluable trove for both fledgling and seasoned investors who aspire to fathom the mechanics of hedge fund operations and the navigation of market dynamics. A revisit a decade later attests to its perennial relevance, prompting me to reinstate it onto my reading roster for another 10 years.
September 5, 2024
This book was conducted shortly after the 2008/2009 crisis. It’s refreshing to hear what traders have to say about how they survive the crisis. There are few things that kept repeating itself (even to this day), for instance:
Prior to the crisis, people were as pessimistic about public debt as today and yet turn a blind eye on private sector debt (even though time after time, it’s the private sector debt that got blown up):
Another person on the same topic:
After the massive stimulus done by the government, people back then began to worry about inflation (which did come, only in the form of financial asset inflation. Goods inflation didn’t occur until COVID).
Liquidity is also a huge part of the book’s discussion. Back then (and ironically, now, as investment grade bond trades only within a hair different to US treasury) people were willing to sacrifice liquidity to just make a hair more return - perhaps sacrifice is not the right word. They just couldn’t fathom the market could ever become illiquid for illiquid assets:
Another person on the same topic:
Prior to the crisis, people were as pessimistic about public debt as today and yet turn a blind eye on private sector debt (even though time after time, it’s the private sector debt that got blown up):
It had to end in tears because there was too much private sector debt buildup. It is ironic now that people talk about government debt as being a problem. Private sector debt is the real problem. The government can almost always fund its debt if it decides to print money; the private sector cannot.
Another person on the same topic:
... big budget deficits do not automatically lead to inflation. Japan is a good example here, with one of the biggest government debts in the world. We have only seen deflation there.
After the massive stimulus done by the government, people back then began to worry about inflation (which did come, only in the form of financial asset inflation. Goods inflation didn’t occur until COVID).
Liquidity is also a huge part of the book’s discussion. Back then (and ironically, now, as investment grade bond trades only within a hair different to US treasury) people were willing to sacrifice liquidity to just make a hair more return - perhaps sacrifice is not the right word. They just couldn’t fathom the market could ever become illiquid for illiquid assets:
The primary lesson was the value of liquidity - I learned how important it is to have liquid positions. Liquidity helps avoid making bad decisions in a crisis, and provides funding potential to take advantage of extreme prices.
Another person on the same topic:
Holding cash when markets are cheap is expensive, and holding cash when markets are expensive is cheap… In the summer of 2007, investment grade bonds (IG8) were trading at 35 basis point spread to Treasuries. These were incredibly tight spreads, which showed that the market was not expecting any increase in risk premium and was trading entirely complacently… the ventual widening in 2008 took the spread out to almost 300 basis points.
July 31, 2023
I have always thought that those who are too affirmative of their market wisdom need to be humble. For those who remain unchanged can read this book. One can learn a couple of down-to-earth street-smart way of making money in the market. But nothing is permanent, one should unlearn things very often to keep the money from flowing out.
October 17, 2023
I revisited 'Invisible Hands' to gain insights into the 2008 crisis and its aftermath. To my surprise, the book provided me with a fresh perspective on the merits of the absolute return approach. As a result, I am now considering a decisive deviation from my current path.
November 27, 2021
Very overhyped, very bad book! I lost $10 for nothing.
March 20, 2022
Hard to read as it is better for fund managers rather than individual equity trader like me
August 22, 2018
The hedge fund advisor Steven Drobny had a huge international success with the book Inside the House of Money where he in a very easy going way interviews a number of high profile macro hedge fund managers on topics such as how they got into the business, their processes and beliefs. Perhaps because I am not as into macro trading I was not as thrilled as many others. This new book takes on a very serious topic: what will come after the 60/40- and the Yale-models? That is, how should the investment models of the likes of pension funds develop?
The concept is the same as in the last book. Drobny interviews a new round of managers of smart money, but this time on how managers of real money should run their business. Not surprisingly given that some of these people have egos larger than the empire state building the short answer is that they should be like macro hedge fund managers or at least give their money to them. Most agree on the problem description and I also think that it’s spot on: low understanding of illiquidity risk and overlooking the opportunity cost of not holding cash to be able to reinvest in bad times, underestimation of tail end risks, not understanding the time varying nature of expected returns, being too complacent around the variations in asset correlations and around the fact that diversification into overvalued and overcrowded assets gives no diversification. Furthermore the obsession with relative return gives a short term focus which prevents paying small fees for insurance in good times to be able to soften the drawdowns later.
As the interviewees are a diverse bunch the remedies proposed are quite diverse. Some would hardly work on a larger scale and most would at least not work if they actually became the new model and the whole long only crowd would move in the same direction even if they could be good investment cases for the individual fund. The broad conclusions that Drobny draws from are three pieces of advice; 1) replace return targets with risk adjusted return targets, 2) look forward, not backwards and 3) rethink liquidity. I would say that another general advice in the book is to broaden the search for risk premium to invest into. The Bridgewater “all weather model” gets its fair share of votes also. The second piece of advice above points to the need to replace allocations based on return expectations build from averages over 50 years and instead adjusts these averages to what is reasonable for the next five to ten years when taking the starting valuation, overcrowding and the economic picture into account.
This is not light reading for the layman but the idea behind the book is till great. Input to an important topic from a knowledgeable but unrelated source. My main objection is that this is only about 1/3 of the text. The rest is basically “House of money II” where the hedge fund managers’ discus their best trades etc. I’m also not really sure if the hedge fund managers’ focus on avoiding drawdowns is always suitable for someone who truly has a very long time horizon. With a true long horizon it only becomes relevant to avoid drawdowns to the extent that they impair the returns compounding more than the potentially higher return from the volatile asset will give? The usefulness of a model focused on avoiding drawdowns as opposite to “seeing over the dips” depends very much on the type of environment one is in. When we eventually enter the next structural bull market the 60/40- model might not be so bad.
Drobny makes you feel like you’re sitting in on a number of conversations between friends so even if the topic of pension fund revamping is perhaps not the sexiest in town it’s a fairly pleasurable reed. I’m not sure the book goes all the way with the proposed topic though.
The concept is the same as in the last book. Drobny interviews a new round of managers of smart money, but this time on how managers of real money should run their business. Not surprisingly given that some of these people have egos larger than the empire state building the short answer is that they should be like macro hedge fund managers or at least give their money to them. Most agree on the problem description and I also think that it’s spot on: low understanding of illiquidity risk and overlooking the opportunity cost of not holding cash to be able to reinvest in bad times, underestimation of tail end risks, not understanding the time varying nature of expected returns, being too complacent around the variations in asset correlations and around the fact that diversification into overvalued and overcrowded assets gives no diversification. Furthermore the obsession with relative return gives a short term focus which prevents paying small fees for insurance in good times to be able to soften the drawdowns later.
As the interviewees are a diverse bunch the remedies proposed are quite diverse. Some would hardly work on a larger scale and most would at least not work if they actually became the new model and the whole long only crowd would move in the same direction even if they could be good investment cases for the individual fund. The broad conclusions that Drobny draws from are three pieces of advice; 1) replace return targets with risk adjusted return targets, 2) look forward, not backwards and 3) rethink liquidity. I would say that another general advice in the book is to broaden the search for risk premium to invest into. The Bridgewater “all weather model” gets its fair share of votes also. The second piece of advice above points to the need to replace allocations based on return expectations build from averages over 50 years and instead adjusts these averages to what is reasonable for the next five to ten years when taking the starting valuation, overcrowding and the economic picture into account.
This is not light reading for the layman but the idea behind the book is till great. Input to an important topic from a knowledgeable but unrelated source. My main objection is that this is only about 1/3 of the text. The rest is basically “House of money II” where the hedge fund managers’ discus their best trades etc. I’m also not really sure if the hedge fund managers’ focus on avoiding drawdowns is always suitable for someone who truly has a very long time horizon. With a true long horizon it only becomes relevant to avoid drawdowns to the extent that they impair the returns compounding more than the potentially higher return from the volatile asset will give? The usefulness of a model focused on avoiding drawdowns as opposite to “seeing over the dips” depends very much on the type of environment one is in. When we eventually enter the next structural bull market the 60/40- model might not be so bad.
Drobny makes you feel like you’re sitting in on a number of conversations between friends so even if the topic of pension fund revamping is perhaps not the sexiest in town it’s a fairly pleasurable reed. I’m not sure the book goes all the way with the proposed topic though.
July 22, 2010
like drobny's first book, "inside the house money," there are some nuggets of insight into global macro trading here. also some analysis and critique of the "yale" or "endowment" investment modeling that failed spectacularly in 2008. the interviews are (as another reviewer noted) most relevant for those with an interest in the inner workings of the strategies of successful macro traders. however the sections detailing the shortcomings and risks of the endowment model, which is the asset allocation approach used by most state pension funds, is relevant for all taxpayers. we are ultimately on the hook for the future liabilities of these "real money" investors, so we have a civic duty to press the managers of these funds to do so in an intelligent way.
April 19, 2014
Very good read with great insights from many different traders from global macro to commodity traders. The key message throughout the book is capital preservation and the avoidance of large drawdowns that can kill long term performance. Being fully invested all of the time is not a necessity, knowing when to sit back and watch the market is as important as knowing when to go all in. Good insights and food for thought throughout
January 22, 2024
Everything by the author is must read macro hedge fund material
January 27, 2016
Way too much content but some of it is really, really good.
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