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当短篇小说集《当我们谈论爱情时我们在谈论什么》于1981年4月出版时,美国传统的现实主义写作正处于萎靡不振的状态,取而代之的是各类试验性的后现代写作,小说流派多到了令人眼花缭乱的地步,如“超小说”、“非虚构小说”、“自省小说”和“寓言小说”等等。同时,短篇小说集的销售极为窘迫,即使是名家的短篇小说集,也只能卖出去几千本。卡佛的这本短篇小说集如同一针强心剂,为美国短篇小说写作注入了新的生命,对美国现实主义写作传统的复苏起到了决定性的作用。小说集里篇幅不长的十七篇小说也使当时名不见经传的卡佛成了一个备受瞩目的小说家,并为他赢得了“美国的契诃夫”这一称号。《当我们谈论爱情时我们在谈论什么》出版后,效仿者趋之若鹜,卡佛成了美国继海明威之后受到模仿最多的作家。那一时期美国文学杂志经常收到被编辑戏称为“卡佛式小说”的投稿。《时尚先生》Esquire)曾开出一个现代人必读的书列(共75本),《当我们谈论爱情时我们在谈论什么》就名列其中。卡佛小说集《当我们谈论爱情时我们在谈论什么》是卡佛的成名作和公认的经典之作。收入卡佛17个名篇:《你们为什么不跳个舞》、《取景框》、《咖啡先生和修理先生》、《凉亭》、《我可以看见最细小的东西》、《纸袋》&

185 pages, Kindle Edition

First published January 1, 2010

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Raymond Carver

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Carver was born into a poverty-stricken family at the tail-end of the Depression. He married at 19, started a series of menial jobs and his own career of 'full-time drinking as a serious pursuit', a career that would eventually kill him. Constantly struggling to support his wife and family, Carver enrolled in a writing programme under author John Gardner in 1958. He saw this opportunity as a turning point.

Rejecting the more experimental fiction of the 60s and 70s, he pioneered a precisionist realism reinventing the American short story during the eighties, heading the line of so-called 'dirty realists' or 'K-mart realists'. Set in trailer parks and shopping malls, they are stories of banal lives that turn on a seemingly insignificant detail. Carver writes with meticulous economy, suddenly bringing a life into focus in a similar way to the paintings of Edward Hopper. As well as being a master of the short story, he was an accomplished poet publishing several highly acclaimed volumes.

After the 'line of demarcation' in Carver's life - 2 June 1977, the day he stopped drinking - his stories become increasingly more redemptive and expansive. Alcohol had eventually shattered his health, his work and his family - his first marriage effectively ending in 1978. He finally married his long-term parter Tess Gallagher (they met ten years earlier at a writers' conference in Dallas) in Reno, Nevada, less than two months before he eventually lost his fight with cancer.

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July 3, 2023
I need ten more years of life to read this book.
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March 5, 2017
比起卡佛还是更喜欢读耶茨的短篇
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77 reviews
July 16, 2020
直到读完全书才明白卡佛是怎么回事儿。经常戛然而止,留个不确定的结局叫你猜。最喜欢《告诉女人们我们出去一趟》和《当我们谈论爱情时我们在谈论什么》。
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February 6, 2023
这是我买过且读过的第一本卡佛小说,那时还在上高一,并不懂得卡佛的珍贵。如今回头看,当时像是上天的指引。
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December 27, 2016
“中国读者还有一个习惯,喜欢问“作者到底要表达什么”,这对卡佛,就更难了。”我向来不太喜欢阴暗的东西,说卡佛写的东西阴暗我觉得不准确,他只是写底层人的生活,但这些人的内心并不阴暗
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October 14, 2023
五百年前读了两遍,没懂多少,给了三星。
2023年在读有了不同的理解,也发现了卡佛故事和编辑下手的精妙。给了五星。

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今天看完《谈爱》最后一篇,突然领悟到这本小说的高深之处 — — 卡佛在讲爱情童话背后,“公主和王子婚后”的生活,真实爱情的发展和大多数人会经历的事以及那些分裂感情的小事。
从后半本开始的故事,我都是对比着《新手》读的,也感悟到了编辑的高深,因为尽管他删减了很大一部分,并没有影响到其实故事的理解;他还在最动情的地方下了狠刀,让故事更动情,非常厉害。

我喜欢的故事有:


讲了那些分裂爱情的小事
喜欢程度⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

还有一件事
讲了另一个家庭的破裂。尤其,《新手》更突出了女儿对父亲的不舍和爱的复杂,看着觉得这种情节很真实,很常见,很复杂,很熟悉,因此领悟到了卡佛的高深。他在讲公主和王子婚后的生活,真实爱情的发展和大多数人会经历的事。
喜欢程度 ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

当我们在谈论爱情时,我们在谈论什么
我其实很喜欢这边,我在读梅尔提出的见解时心想“难怪这篇最出名”。我认为对爱情的理解是可以仁者见仁,智者见智的,而且爱情是有可塑性和多面性的,所以我们对不同的爱人会有一些相似和不同。
要说什么是爱情很没有把握,就像读这本书的感觉一样,全是没有把握的自我感觉,不知道自己到底读懂了没有。我可以感到梅尔的无助,因为他找不到答案,不知道自己获得了爱情没有?获得了什么样的爱情。
我想没有人去拿奶酪,没有人去开灯,屋子里一片漆黑,也是因为大家都对这个同样的问题,各有所思,个有所悟。
当我们谈论爱情时,我们并不知道爱情到底是什么, 爱情在对方眼里是什么。
喜欢程度⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

哑巴
哑巴自从养鱼后如获至宝,不惜余力地保卫他的成就。这个宝使得他开始反抗,开始说不。后来洪水让他失去了宝贝和希望,他开始爆发,追打弄掉他帽子的人,杀了出轨的妻子,杀掉了还是不停失去鱼的自己。我能感受到他的悲伤。
不懂和珍珠港事件和父亲搬到他父亲那里有什么关系。
当我们谈论爱情时,我们也在谈论对破裂爱情的忍无可忍与绝望。

其中《新手》没有那么强调珍珠港和搬家,而且那些事发生在哑巴事件之后的。新手更强调哑巴事件对“我”的成长催化 -- -- 见证失败与死亡的人生常态。写的是对父亲的影响,但其实也是对“我”的。
喜欢程度⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

看不懂的有:《洗澡》,《我可以看见最细小的东西》和《平静》2023第三期 在读
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