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To Turn the Tide
New time travel military adventure from New York Times best-selling novelist S.M. Stirling
IT’S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT
Everyone could see it coming. But one man could do something about it. Oh, he couldn’t avert the nuclear holocaust, but a scientist in Austria, ruthlessly using billions of research dollars for his own purposes, set himself up an he created a time machine, and filled a warehouse with low-tech survival gear. Too bad he didn’t get to use it himself.
Instead, a team of American grad students, led by their professor, is sent back to the late Roman Empire. Even though they are experts in this time and place, they are about to realize that books and actual experience are very different things.
If they can survive, they hope to remake the world into a better place. But that’s a big “if."
IT’S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT
Everyone could see it coming. But one man could do something about it. Oh, he couldn’t avert the nuclear holocaust, but a scientist in Austria, ruthlessly using billions of research dollars for his own purposes, set himself up an he created a time machine, and filled a warehouse with low-tech survival gear. Too bad he didn’t get to use it himself.
Instead, a team of American grad students, led by their professor, is sent back to the late Roman Empire. Even though they are experts in this time and place, they are about to realize that books and actual experience are very different things.
If they can survive, they hope to remake the world into a better place. But that’s a big “if."
464 pages, Hardcover
First published August 6, 2024
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S.M. Stirling
170 books1,645 followersStephen Michael Stirling is a French-born Canadian-American science fiction and fantasy author. Stirling is probably best known for his Draka series of alternate history novels and the more recent time travel/alternate history Nantucket series and Emberverse series.
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I’m a writer by trade, born in France but Canadian by origin and American by naturalization, living in New Mexico at present. My hobbies are mostly related to the craft. I love history, anthropology and archaeology, and am interested in the sciences. The martial arts are my main physical hobby.
MINI AUTO-BIOGRAPHY:
(personal website: source)
I’m a writer by trade, born in France but Canadian by origin and American by naturalization, living in New Mexico at present. My hobbies are mostly related to the craft. I love history, anthropology and archaeology, and am interested in the sciences. The martial arts are my main physical hobby.
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May 24, 2024
Stirling returns to time travel in his best book in a long time in my opinion. Tore through this book in 3 days, much faster than I normally read. I would recommend this book in the strongest terms. I only wish I could give this six stars instead of only five.
October 27, 2024
Verry good!
October 26, 2024
Stirling loves going back in time and bringing a few wise men along with him. He did it in Nantucket and now he's done it in Vienna. If he doesn't take us back then he brings about some sort of catastrophic changes so that we have to use our knowledge in order to survive or improve the world. I suppose he's a frontiersman, hacking out a comfortable lifestyle in the wilderness.
And so it is with "To Turn the Tide". The world has destroyed itself but a few, hand-picked, specialists have gone back to Roman times in order to remake the world in a, hopefully, better image. This does create a thrilling tale; slightly cliche for readers of Stirling because the characters are somehow recognisable, but entertaining and gripping.
I'm looking forward to more of the same.
And so it is with "To Turn the Tide". The world has destroyed itself but a few, hand-picked, specialists have gone back to Roman times in order to remake the world in a, hopefully, better image. This does create a thrilling tale; slightly cliche for readers of Stirling because the characters are somehow recognisable, but entertaining and gripping.
I'm looking forward to more of the same.
October 13, 2024
An OK story trapped in the authors need to show off their history nerdiness
As a fan of much of S. M. Stirlings previous works, I was excited for a return to ancient civilization with up time know how — however this was quite the slog.
The story is thin but OK, the characters are mostly fine, a stand out being a female Samartian warrior named Saruke.
Besides that though the amount of Latin with and without translation, and masturbatory historical exposition was a struggle.
Hopefully that will be the last of it for the series now the foundations are set, but I doubt it.
Overall, a disappointing read.
As a fan of much of S. M. Stirlings previous works, I was excited for a return to ancient civilization with up time know how — however this was quite the slog.
The story is thin but OK, the characters are mostly fine, a stand out being a female Samartian warrior named Saruke.
Besides that though the amount of Latin with and without translation, and masturbatory historical exposition was a struggle.
Hopefully that will be the last of it for the series now the foundations are set, but I doubt it.
Overall, a disappointing read.
August 19, 2024
I enjoyed Stirling's books years ago and I have an unreasonable fondness for time-travel stories, so this appealed to me as a fun read. It was not.
As a genre novel, it's mediocre. The structure and pacing aren't good; the characters are mostly uninteresting. They are either stereotypes or opaque.
The deeper problem with this book is that it is morally corrupt. It's a Marty Stu story written by someone with a dark-but-smug view of history. It's Strauss filtered through three generations of students, then into the turgid minds of people like Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin, and then out into the world where incels imagine they could be philosopher kings.
This review's references will be obscure to most, which is appropriate. The point is that this book has a message: WOKE HISTORIANS SUCK. Wait, no, that's just kind of bitchy. No, the message is: what if a middle-aged, white Harvard professor was ALSO a former special forces veteran and ALSO has a hard-on for Marcus Aurelius (don't be fooled by "Julia", Artorius and Aurelius are destined to share an uncomfortable mat on the floor) and ALSO is just the right man to prevent the Fall of Rome? No, wait, that's not actually the message.
The message is: the hordes are coming and we need a Great Man to save us, even if it means tyranny and war. Even if it means destroying the village to "save" the village.
As a genre novel, it's mediocre. The structure and pacing aren't good; the characters are mostly uninteresting. They are either stereotypes or opaque.
The deeper problem with this book is that it is morally corrupt. It's a Marty Stu story written by someone with a dark-but-smug view of history. It's Strauss filtered through three generations of students, then into the turgid minds of people like Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin, and then out into the world where incels imagine they could be philosopher kings.
This review's references will be obscure to most, which is appropriate. The point is that this book has a message: WOKE HISTORIANS SUCK. Wait, no, that's just kind of bitchy. No, the message is: what if a middle-aged, white Harvard professor was ALSO a former special forces veteran and ALSO has a hard-on for Marcus Aurelius (don't be fooled by "Julia", Artorius and Aurelius are destined to share an uncomfortable mat on the floor) and ALSO is just the right man to prevent the Fall of Rome? No, wait, that's not actually the message.
The message is: the hordes are coming and we need a Great Man to save us, even if it means tyranny and war. Even if it means destroying the village to "save" the village.
October 25, 2024
Time travelers bringing uptime technology to the past is a fairly common science fiction trope. Various writers have used it over the years -- Judith Tarr, Sprague de Camp, and Mark Twain come to mind just to name a few. But, nobody does it better than S.M. Stirling.
In this story five people from slightly uptime from us (2030s) barely escape death in thermonuclear war and are transported back to the time of Marcus Aurelius. They are all historians and they all speak passable Latin and thus can communicate a bit. (There is a good reason for this; read the book to find out what it is.) Thus begins the tale -- and a good one it is with lots of interesting characters, action, adventure, danger, and even a bit of romance.
Stirling loves history and obviously did a lot of research into Rome of that period. He also thought a lot about what uptime technologies could be introduced upon the existing Roman industrial base and the order they could be introduced in. Very simple ideas could make a big difference -- wheel barrows and stirrups for example.
There are a few things in the story I didn't particularly care for. But, overall this is a fast-moving, thoughtful, and enjoyable story. Solid 4 stars for me.
In this story five people from slightly uptime from us (2030s) barely escape death in thermonuclear war and are transported back to the time of Marcus Aurelius. They are all historians and they all speak passable Latin and thus can communicate a bit. (There is a good reason for this; read the book to find out what it is.) Thus begins the tale -- and a good one it is with lots of interesting characters, action, adventure, danger, and even a bit of romance.
Stirling loves history and obviously did a lot of research into Rome of that period. He also thought a lot about what uptime technologies could be introduced upon the existing Roman industrial base and the order they could be introduced in. Very simple ideas could make a big difference -- wheel barrows and stirrups for example.
There are a few things in the story I didn't particularly care for. But, overall this is a fast-moving, thoughtful, and enjoyable story. Solid 4 stars for me.
August 6, 2024
Equal to or better than his other time travel stories
I can hardly wait for the sequel. A very nice story excellently told. I expect great things from the next few books.
I can hardly wait for the sequel. A very nice story excellently told. I expect great things from the next few books.
August 5, 2025
The review to read: https://locusmag.com/2024/08/paul-di-...
Excerpt: "Veteran readers will certainly recognize the broad outlines of this scheme as the plot of de Camp’s Lest Darkness Fall. The thing is, Arthur and his SF-savvy students explicitly acknowledge this precedent too, thereby defusing any assumptions that this tale will be a mere replay. It’s a different Roman era from that of the de Camp book, and Arthur has plans that are more far-ranging that those of de Camp’s hero, Martin Padway. ...
To Turn the Tide is the perfect fusion of knowledge and wisdom—with the seasonings of commitment and slaughter as spice."
I liked this a lot, and I have notes somewhere. I thought I'd written it up?
Anyway, if you like Stirling's alt-hist novels this is one of his better ones. For me, a 3.5+ star read, rounded up. I'll likely reread it down the line.
Excerpt: "Veteran readers will certainly recognize the broad outlines of this scheme as the plot of de Camp’s Lest Darkness Fall. The thing is, Arthur and his SF-savvy students explicitly acknowledge this precedent too, thereby defusing any assumptions that this tale will be a mere replay. It’s a different Roman era from that of the de Camp book, and Arthur has plans that are more far-ranging that those of de Camp’s hero, Martin Padway. ...
To Turn the Tide is the perfect fusion of knowledge and wisdom—with the seasonings of commitment and slaughter as spice."
I liked this a lot, and I have notes somewhere. I thought I'd written it up?
Anyway, if you like Stirling's alt-hist novels this is one of his better ones. For me, a 3.5+ star read, rounded up. I'll likely reread it down the line.
October 18, 2024
This is a great time travel / what if / alternate Earth book. I am a fan of SM Sterling's Emberverse series and picked this up when I saw he had something new out. I really liked the premise of this a group of classical historians unexpectedly sent back to Rome in the year 165CE. They do have some equipment and a lot of book knowledge to get them through. This would have been a 5 star book but I found the repetition of certain information to be irritating.
I will say this book does have some luck that you just kind of have to go with. Starting with who they meet upon arrival. There are a lot of descriptions of technology, more than I usually care for, but it makes sense with the overall story. There still is quite a bit of the personal side of relationships and individual characters which is what kept me engaged.
I am currently learning Latin and there are several jokes about the language that I found hilarious! I found myself wondering if the changes introduced will produce a better world or will it just quicken the eventual end of the world. I can't wait to read the next book to see where the series goes from here!
I will say this book does have some luck that you just kind of have to go with. Starting with who they meet upon arrival. There are a lot of descriptions of technology, more than I usually care for, but it makes sense with the overall story. There still is quite a bit of the personal side of relationships and individual characters which is what kept me engaged.
I am currently learning Latin and there are several jokes about the language that I found hilarious! I found myself wondering if the changes introduced will produce a better world or will it just quicken the eventual end of the world. I can't wait to read the next book to see where the series goes from here!
August 9, 2024
For want of a Nail revised. A nail and a hammer fixes all.
Back in time. The Roman empire is at its strongest, but not for long. The first of many aggressive northern tribes and the last good western Roman emperor will combine to bring western Rome down in around a hundred years. But three men and two women, all scholars of Roman history, will find themselves transported back to that time. Another S. M. Sterling master story telling that you cannot put down.
Back in time. The Roman empire is at its strongest, but not for long. The first of many aggressive northern tribes and the last good western Roman emperor will combine to bring western Rome down in around a hundred years. But three men and two women, all scholars of Roman history, will find themselves transported back to that time. Another S. M. Sterling master story telling that you cannot put down.
August 11, 2024
Very Very Good
This isle of his best novels to date. If you have readL Sprague DeCamps "Lest Darkness Fall" you will find "To Turn the Tide" a superb sucesor. Higher países I cannot give.
This isle of his best novels to date. If you have readL Sprague DeCamps "Lest Darkness Fall" you will find "To Turn the Tide" a superb sucesor. Higher países I cannot give.
July 30, 2025
I'm a huge fan of books set during the period of the Roman Empire and Time Travel. This novel scratches both of those itches.
I've studied the culture, customs, beliefs, and technology of the period--and a little Latin. The details Stirling weaves into the setting, and the presentation of local attitudes ring true to me. It's very hard for one or a few people to change a culture--much more likely that a small party of advanced interlopers will simply be absorbed along with their innovations. Stirling very plausibly provides his group of time travelers the resources and the expertise to have an impact, as well as the luck of immediately falling in with a local who can introduce them to the local elites.
My only quibble is that there are no significant reversals. There are some tight situations, but no disasters, no real failures. However, I've read reviews of the sequel, and it looks like the next novel will give the protagonists an adversary that matches them in strength and capability. That should be very interesting.
I've studied the culture, customs, beliefs, and technology of the period--and a little Latin. The details Stirling weaves into the setting, and the presentation of local attitudes ring true to me. It's very hard for one or a few people to change a culture--much more likely that a small party of advanced interlopers will simply be absorbed along with their innovations. Stirling very plausibly provides his group of time travelers the resources and the expertise to have an impact, as well as the luck of immediately falling in with a local who can introduce them to the local elites.
My only quibble is that there are no significant reversals. There are some tight situations, but no disasters, no real failures. However, I've read reviews of the sequel, and it looks like the next novel will give the protagonists an adversary that matches them in strength and capability. That should be very interesting.
September 9, 2025
An excellent portal fantasy featuring Marcus Aurelius and the legions of Rome.
November 22, 2024
One of the best "time travel" books I have ever read. The first 20 or so pages set the stage for what is about to happen and why it is necessary to travel to the past in order to preserve the future. Hopefully a different future then what is happening right now-- global thermonuclear war has broken out and the 5 time travelers must leave immediately.
An Austrian scientist has finally figured out time travel. He has also recruited a group of 4 graduate students, two women and two men, all of whom are fluent in second century Latin. Each is also an expert in fields ranging from agriculture to wood working to metallurgy to medicine to military science. The leader is a history professor who earlier in life was an Army Ranger......
To say much more could spoil the arc of the story. I will say that although the characters are all fluent in 21 century Latin, no one alive today has ever heard 2nd century Latin spoken which does cause a few problems, humorous and otherwise.
Yes, Latin is scattered throughout the story but the author does a an excellent job of incorporating it seamlessly. I have to admit it was nice to see my years of reading Cicero, Virgil, Caesar and a little Marcus Aurelius come in handy.
Like I have said, almost all of the above comes into play very early in the story which in my case, only made me turn the pages faster.
There is no mention of a second book but I am hoping for it as well as a few more books.
An Austrian scientist has finally figured out time travel. He has also recruited a group of 4 graduate students, two women and two men, all of whom are fluent in second century Latin. Each is also an expert in fields ranging from agriculture to wood working to metallurgy to medicine to military science. The leader is a history professor who earlier in life was an Army Ranger......
To say much more could spoil the arc of the story. I will say that although the characters are all fluent in 21 century Latin, no one alive today has ever heard 2nd century Latin spoken which does cause a few problems, humorous and otherwise.
Yes, Latin is scattered throughout the story but the author does a an excellent job of incorporating it seamlessly. I have to admit it was nice to see my years of reading Cicero, Virgil, Caesar and a little Marcus Aurelius come in handy.
Like I have said, almost all of the above comes into play very early in the story which in my case, only made me turn the pages faster.
There is no mention of a second book but I am hoping for it as well as a few more books.
May 22, 2025
I absolutely love Stirling and the way he tells stories. His sea of time books are some of my all time favorites and getting to read another time travel book from him is great. Just like those earlier books the action here is mingled with interesting characters and vivid locales. My only regret is the lack of a firm antagonist for the heros but this is a story DeCamp would have enjoyed.
September 4, 2024
B great story....need many more sequals!
Love the story. Pretty plausible and without too much hand wringing for the future and changes! Very cool on how little things change big things. Looking forward to next one!!!
Love the story. Pretty plausible and without too much hand wringing for the future and changes! Very cool on how little things change big things. Looking forward to next one!!!
January 4, 2025
Loved the book. Interesting cast of characters and the details of history are fantastic. Can't wait for the next installment.
November 9, 2024
It's OK. Not very good, but not bad. Serviceable escapist time travel to the 2nd century Roman Empire.
Yes, the frame story of how the Americans got to Roman Pannonia near the boundary with Noricum, somewhere near Vindobona-future-Vienna, makes no sense. That's fine. The frame stories are never supposed to make sense. What is important that five Americans, all experts in Roman history, one professor with extensive military experience and four nerdy graduate students, somehow got to Roman Pannonia near the boundary with Noricum, somewhere near Vindobona-future-Vienna, with a literal metric ton of goodies from the future.
A nice touch is that the metric ton of goodies from the future does not include any firearms. You see, the supplies were put together by a European professor, and, as all Americans know, here in Europe nobody has ever heard of firearms, much less handled one, and in general they are all highly illegal and extraordinarily rare anyway.
A really good detail is that when newly arrived the five Americans speak 'orrible Latin. This I can believe. If you look on the web for video clips for academically educated native English speakers attempting to speak Latin you will agree that they speak it in a way which is barely comprehensible by people who know Latin but are native speakers of Romance languages. I have no idea why this is. Note to American people who learn Latin: it is the direct ancestor of Italian. Speak it as a very old form of Italian, not as some sort of Klingonian.
The Americans improve their pronunciation of Latin very quickly, as one would expect, and we are off to the races. What follows is standard S. M. Stirling military fiction, so you know what to expect in terms of static two-dimensional characters, minimal dialogue, total disinterest for the non-essential aspects of the surrounding world, drastically simplified social structures to the point of caricature, and so on.
But standard S. M. Stirling mil-fic would get four stars. Why only three?
Only three stars because one star was deducted for the callous mistreatment of Latin language. No, one German is not a **Germanii, it's a Germanus; and even two Germans would be Germani with only one i. No, the plural of tormentum is not **tormentii, it's tormenta. No, it's primary meaning is not torturer, it's anything which twists or turns something; from torquere, to twist or to turn. No, two pure spears are not **hastae pura, it's hastae purae. No, one does not expect to see dictionary macrons over random long Latin vowels in running text. And so on. It is jarring to any reader who has even a minimal acquaintance with the language, and there are many millions of us in this world.
Oh, and the Marcomannic Wars were not called the Marconannic Wars by the Romans; as far as the Romans were concerned it was the German and Sarmatian War. Just saying.
Yes, the frame story of how the Americans got to Roman Pannonia near the boundary with Noricum, somewhere near Vindobona-future-Vienna, makes no sense. That's fine. The frame stories are never supposed to make sense. What is important that five Americans, all experts in Roman history, one professor with extensive military experience and four nerdy graduate students, somehow got to Roman Pannonia near the boundary with Noricum, somewhere near Vindobona-future-Vienna, with a literal metric ton of goodies from the future.
A nice touch is that the metric ton of goodies from the future does not include any firearms. You see, the supplies were put together by a European professor, and, as all Americans know, here in Europe nobody has ever heard of firearms, much less handled one, and in general they are all highly illegal and extraordinarily rare anyway.
A really good detail is that when newly arrived the five Americans speak 'orrible Latin. This I can believe. If you look on the web for video clips for academically educated native English speakers attempting to speak Latin you will agree that they speak it in a way which is barely comprehensible by people who know Latin but are native speakers of Romance languages. I have no idea why this is. Note to American people who learn Latin: it is the direct ancestor of Italian. Speak it as a very old form of Italian, not as some sort of Klingonian.
The Americans improve their pronunciation of Latin very quickly, as one would expect, and we are off to the races. What follows is standard S. M. Stirling military fiction, so you know what to expect in terms of static two-dimensional characters, minimal dialogue, total disinterest for the non-essential aspects of the surrounding world, drastically simplified social structures to the point of caricature, and so on.
But standard S. M. Stirling mil-fic would get four stars. Why only three?
Only three stars because one star was deducted for the callous mistreatment of Latin language. No, one German is not a **Germanii, it's a Germanus; and even two Germans would be Germani with only one i. No, the plural of tormentum is not **tormentii, it's tormenta. No, it's primary meaning is not torturer, it's anything which twists or turns something; from torquere, to twist or to turn. No, two pure spears are not **hastae pura, it's hastae purae. No, one does not expect to see dictionary macrons over random long Latin vowels in running text. And so on. It is jarring to any reader who has even a minimal acquaintance with the language, and there are many millions of us in this world.
Oh, and the Marcomannic Wars were not called the Marconannic Wars by the Romans; as far as the Romans were concerned it was the German and Sarmatian War. Just saying.
August 15, 2024
Just in time as nuclear bombs are falling on Vienna (and the world's important cities) in 2032 or so, a military historian and former officer and four graduate students - two men and two women of various races and ethnicities who ultimately fit in without any real issues in the multicultural and multiethnic Roman empire of the time - go back in time around 165 AD (arriving, of course, still in Vindobona - Vienna of the time and border town of the Empire with the barbarians across the Danube) to try and redirect humanity on a different path; as this is somewhat accidental since an Austrian scientist somehow developed the time travel machine, prepared the stuff to take with them - he brought in the 5 Americans for their skills as he did not dare involve local people into this - the five have to take stock on arrival and are quite lucky being discovered by a Jewish merchant with property and many interests in the area and whose ethics do not allow him to take advantage of their original disorientation.
With money and ideas, they start improving the local technology, defeat barbarian raiders, and attract the attention of Emperor Marcus Aurelius who comes in person to see them. And so it goes with the storyline ending at a good point with more books planned.
Leaving aside the whole preposterous beginning with the time travel, the book is well-researched - in a moving scene the main character who Latinizes his Arthur to Artorius quotes to the emperor from his Meditations, a book not yet written by Marcus who is of course surprised to hear thoughts very similar to his own but put in such a clear form - and the narrative has energy but it feels somewhat predictable - make money, introduce new technologies, massively improve medicine and sanitation practices, slowly set the precedent for using paid labor rather than slaves as well as expand the rights of women in roman law, kill the barbarians and expand the empire beyond the Danube using the promise of mineral riches known to the Americans which the hard military men commanding Marcus' armies slowly accept based on the results obtained so far etc And of course a little romance here and there, action and philosophy...
While I quite liked the book and read it in almost one sitting, the general predictability and the lack so far of interesting villains leaves it not quite on par with the best similar stories I've read across the years though I would definitely recommend it and I am interested in the promised sequels.
With money and ideas, they start improving the local technology, defeat barbarian raiders, and attract the attention of Emperor Marcus Aurelius who comes in person to see them. And so it goes with the storyline ending at a good point with more books planned.
Leaving aside the whole preposterous beginning with the time travel, the book is well-researched - in a moving scene the main character who Latinizes his Arthur to Artorius quotes to the emperor from his Meditations, a book not yet written by Marcus who is of course surprised to hear thoughts very similar to his own but put in such a clear form - and the narrative has energy but it feels somewhat predictable - make money, introduce new technologies, massively improve medicine and sanitation practices, slowly set the precedent for using paid labor rather than slaves as well as expand the rights of women in roman law, kill the barbarians and expand the empire beyond the Danube using the promise of mineral riches known to the Americans which the hard military men commanding Marcus' armies slowly accept based on the results obtained so far etc And of course a little romance here and there, action and philosophy...
While I quite liked the book and read it in almost one sitting, the general predictability and the lack so far of interesting villains leaves it not quite on par with the best similar stories I've read across the years though I would definitely recommend it and I am interested in the promised sequels.
December 12, 2024
A different type of book from those I've read recently. A time-travel book. The 14th book I've read by this author, though it's been more than 13 years since I last read a book by Stirling.
Right, so. A professor, ex-military dude, and a group of . what was it, 4? grad students arrives in Central Europe. Their plane was the last that got clearance to land (I think it was worded that way). And almost literally three seconds after they arrive at the lab they were invited to, they get repots that the world is in the process of destroying itself. Nuclear war. Global nuclear war. They aren't in a tiny town or village or something, but it isn't a city that 'should' be on anyone's list to nuke. But, suddenly, a flash of light and . . . the world starts to stutter. Blinking flash of lights.
Here the book would have been better if there had been, like, 8 students and 2 to 4 were off elsewhere, maybe in the restroom (they had just gotten off a long flight, then a long drive), maybe just walked slower than the others, but something where they are not all gathered around the professor. And there probably should have been one to five 'local' lab people be near-ish to the professor. At the very least, the one dude who guided them to that specific location should still have been nearby-ish.
What am I going on about? Well, you see, that lab they arrived at? The guy working there saw the writing on the wall, as the saying goes, and had gotten a ton of junk together, a literal ton it turned out. And got experts in various things, but all of them had knowledge of Latin and the Roman Empire. All of which is important because that specific area the prof and students had been lead to was a time machine. The dude who set everything up didn't intend to launch them back to the past right then and there, nor did he intend to be outside the zone of transportation. But, see, as I noted, a nuclear bomb was in the process of going of, so...
You know that emperor, the Roman Emperor, who was emperor at the beginning of the first Gladiator film? Marcus Aurelius? Well, he's the dude who is emperor when the Americans (yes, all of them, prof and 4 students, are Americans, though there was a mix of religions and races involved, I think two were Jewish, one was black, one was . . dang, now I can't recall if she was Korean or Thai, though think she was of Korean descent) arrive.
A series of highly unlikely events unfold wherein the time travelers, and their massive wad of money and gems and stuff, are found by a merchant. Who, because, eh, he's honest and stuff, helps them set themselves up. And so, the group, suffering from the pain of everyone and everything they know dead back in a dead world, try to do something to change the world, so that a world wouldn't end up exploding to death in the 21st century.
Quite solid interesting book. Certain elements of "need.to.suspend.disbelief" etc.
Rating: 3.7
December 11 2024
Right, so. A professor, ex-military dude, and a group of . what was it, 4? grad students arrives in Central Europe. Their plane was the last that got clearance to land (I think it was worded that way). And almost literally three seconds after they arrive at the lab they were invited to, they get repots that the world is in the process of destroying itself. Nuclear war. Global nuclear war. They aren't in a tiny town or village or something, but it isn't a city that 'should' be on anyone's list to nuke. But, suddenly, a flash of light and . . . the world starts to stutter. Blinking flash of lights.
Here the book would have been better if there had been, like, 8 students and 2 to 4 were off elsewhere, maybe in the restroom (they had just gotten off a long flight, then a long drive), maybe just walked slower than the others, but something where they are not all gathered around the professor. And there probably should have been one to five 'local' lab people be near-ish to the professor. At the very least, the one dude who guided them to that specific location should still have been nearby-ish.
What am I going on about? Well, you see, that lab they arrived at? The guy working there saw the writing on the wall, as the saying goes, and had gotten a ton of junk together, a literal ton it turned out. And got experts in various things, but all of them had knowledge of Latin and the Roman Empire. All of which is important because that specific area the prof and students had been lead to was a time machine. The dude who set everything up didn't intend to launch them back to the past right then and there, nor did he intend to be outside the zone of transportation. But, see, as I noted, a nuclear bomb was in the process of going of, so...
You know that emperor, the Roman Emperor, who was emperor at the beginning of the first Gladiator film? Marcus Aurelius? Well, he's the dude who is emperor when the Americans (yes, all of them, prof and 4 students, are Americans, though there was a mix of religions and races involved, I think two were Jewish, one was black, one was . . dang, now I can't recall if she was Korean or Thai, though think she was of Korean descent) arrive.
A series of highly unlikely events unfold wherein the time travelers, and their massive wad of money and gems and stuff, are found by a merchant. Who, because, eh, he's honest and stuff, helps them set themselves up. And so, the group, suffering from the pain of everyone and everything they know dead back in a dead world, try to do something to change the world, so that a world wouldn't end up exploding to death in the 21st century.
Quite solid interesting book. Certain elements of "need.to.suspend.disbelief" etc.
Rating: 3.7
December 11 2024
June 19, 2025
I pre-ordered the paperback, so it should come as no surprise that I loved the book. It is classic S. M. Stirling, and you can recognize the patterns right away. The voice of the main character, the battle scenes, all feel familiar to someone who has read and re-read Stirling's work. What really makes 'To Turn the Tide' different from the 'Change' and 'Nantucket' series, is the absence of a great evil foe. I can't tell you how refreshing that is. I just hope another too-evil-to-be-true enemy doesn't present itself in the sequels!
I speak Latin fluently, which is unfortunate in that it means that the bad Latin in the book was glaring to me. However, I am not at all an expert, or even very familiar with Roman culture, especially Roman martial culture, so if there were errors in that, they went completely unnoticed. I will say that at times Stirling felt almost to cross into Harry Turtledove territory, by which I mean certain scenes (wedding cough cough) felt more like a self-indulgent history dump than a part of the story. The same could be said about engineering. At times it was really a bit too much. Overall I could have used even more history and engineering, just in a wider, less intense way, rather than the occasional deep plunges.
Another thing that was different about To Turn the Tide in a refreshing way, was the modernity of it. AI and smartphones are ubiquitous. There were references to Netflix and Amazon, for example, although they were presented as 'throwbacks' since the present in the book was in the 2030s. I thought that was clever, and refreshing. Especially in comparison to Gabaldon's Highlander or Butler's Kindred, where the 'present' feels almost more strongly like the past than the 'past.'
Overall, I am thrilled with the direction Stirling is going with this book. My only real disappointment is that the sequels are not available now and that the author, who is one of my favorites, is not getting any younger.
[EDIT:] I just read the description of the sequel. Unfortunately it does not sounds as enticing as I had hoped. The direction is not what I would have chosen. Of course, I will still read it and expect to like it. But my bright optimism is much darkened.
I speak Latin fluently, which is unfortunate in that it means that the bad Latin in the book was glaring to me. However, I am not at all an expert, or even very familiar with Roman culture, especially Roman martial culture, so if there were errors in that, they went completely unnoticed. I will say that at times Stirling felt almost to cross into Harry Turtledove territory, by which I mean certain scenes (wedding cough cough) felt more like a self-indulgent history dump than a part of the story. The same could be said about engineering. At times it was really a bit too much. Overall I could have used even more history and engineering, just in a wider, less intense way, rather than the occasional deep plunges.
Another thing that was different about To Turn the Tide in a refreshing way, was the modernity of it. AI and smartphones are ubiquitous. There were references to Netflix and Amazon, for example, although they were presented as 'throwbacks' since the present in the book was in the 2030s. I thought that was clever, and refreshing. Especially in comparison to Gabaldon's Highlander or Butler's Kindred, where the 'present' feels almost more strongly like the past than the 'past.'
Overall, I am thrilled with the direction Stirling is going with this book. My only real disappointment is that the sequels are not available now and that the author, who is one of my favorites, is not getting any younger.
[EDIT:] I just read the description of the sequel. Unfortunately it does not sounds as enticing as I had hoped. The direction is not what I would have chosen. Of course, I will still read it and expect to like it. But my bright optimism is much darkened.
August 14, 2024
..., pacem appellant *
I was going to write a long, detailed review, but what good would it do?
So I will settle for this.
This is well written. A good book. Hence five stars.
This is time travel. The historical facts are mostly accurate, if optimistic.
The medical parts are wildly optimistic.
The engineering/military... 'feats' ... are more than wildly optimistic. Considering the time constraints.
I can't make up my mind as to if the author has become slightly unhinged. What man in his right mind would *want* the Roman Empire to conquer the whole world? Or any Empire for that matter, led by a king or in any other way. Notice that I said man. No (informed) woman would ever want to live in the Roman Empire, or Republic, at any time.
So, more likely, it is the Main Character, Arthur-Artorius (the name can't be happenstance) who goes from unhinged to insane to full blown megalomania.
I am sorry for the other characters.
Maybe Mr Stirling is building up to telling us that time travel or/and creating paradoxes drives one insane?
Personally, I am eternally grateful to every single member of every single tribe who stopped the Romans from invading, enslaving and infecting Northern Europe.
* "ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant".
"They make a wilderness, and call it peace". Written by Tacitus, (55-120 CE) famous historian, who put it in the mouth of Calgacus, a barbarian, who fought the Romans in ca 83 CE. Tacitus was fed up with the rapid decline in Roman morals and virtue.
What does it mean? When someone fought back against the Roman agressors too hard, they burned down the whole land and killed everyone, men, women, children and animals. Making a wasteland. A wilderness.
(Russians retreating have done it to their own people many times, it is known as "Scorched Earth".)
The Romans patted themselves on the back and called it "Peace".
This is the Infamous Pax Romana.
Which the Main Character so hotly desires.
I wonder if he ever read Fredric Pohl's The Deadly Mission of Phineas Snodgrass?
Read that, and read Tacitus too.
Will Arthur-Artorius come to his senses? Read the sequel...
I was going to write a long, detailed review, but what good would it do?
So I will settle for this.
This is well written. A good book. Hence five stars.
This is time travel. The historical facts are mostly accurate, if optimistic.
The medical parts are wildly optimistic.
The engineering/military... 'feats' ... are more than wildly optimistic. Considering the time constraints.
I can't make up my mind as to if the author has become slightly unhinged. What man in his right mind would *want* the Roman Empire to conquer the whole world? Or any Empire for that matter, led by a king or in any other way. Notice that I said man. No (informed) woman would ever want to live in the Roman Empire, or Republic, at any time.
So, more likely, it is the Main Character, Arthur-Artorius (the name can't be happenstance) who goes from unhinged to insane to full blown megalomania.
I am sorry for the other characters.
Maybe Mr Stirling is building up to telling us that time travel or/and creating paradoxes drives one insane?
Personally, I am eternally grateful to every single member of every single tribe who stopped the Romans from invading, enslaving and infecting Northern Europe.
* "ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant".
"They make a wilderness, and call it peace". Written by Tacitus, (55-120 CE) famous historian, who put it in the mouth of Calgacus, a barbarian, who fought the Romans in ca 83 CE. Tacitus was fed up with the rapid decline in Roman morals and virtue.
What does it mean? When someone fought back against the Roman agressors too hard, they burned down the whole land and killed everyone, men, women, children and animals. Making a wasteland. A wilderness.
(Russians retreating have done it to their own people many times, it is known as "Scorched Earth".)
The Romans patted themselves on the back and called it "Peace".
This is the Infamous Pax Romana.
Which the Main Character so hotly desires.
I wonder if he ever read Fredric Pohl's The Deadly Mission of Phineas Snodgrass?
Read that, and read Tacitus too.
Will Arthur-Artorius come to his senses? Read the sequel...
September 4, 2024
Did you enjoy S.M. Stirling’s Nantucket series, or the Emberverse books? If you did, and you enjoyed them, then you can rest assured that this book is right up your alley.
Stirling is big on time travel and military history. Much like An Island in Time, a group of modern people are stranded in history. In this case, a history professor and his four graduate students are visiting a physicist who – unbeknownst to them – has created a secret time machine and has a bunch of low-tech survival gear ready to go. Thermonuclear war suddenly breaks out, and the physicist is killed, and our historians are accidentally flung back in time to the Roman Empire.
Bonkers premise? Yes. But this is pretty typical for Stirling; how the transference happens is flimsy and doesn’t matter. It’s about what they do when they get there.
Which is, obviously, start introducing things like enhanced farming equipment, new crops, the printing press, and gunpowder. They’ve decided they’re going to try and avert the Dark Ages and make the world better. And it doesn’t matter if they change time; after all, in our history, the world just ended in nuclear war. Who wouldn’t want to change that?
I’ll be honest, these books aren’t the best time travel books you’re going to find. They’re a historian’s fantasy of ‘what would I do if I got sent back in time with all my knowledge, and I didn’t immediately die of dysentery or get stabbed by a sword’. And Stirling also starts to get pretty in the weeds with numbers and resources and military tactics, which make my eyes glaze over a bit, but if you’re a military history buff, you’ll LOVE it.
That said, I still enjoy these. It’s escapist fiction, and it’s okay if you enjoy something absurdly unrealistic and ridiculous. It’s great for fans of alternate history/sci-fi like Harry Turtledove, or if you just want a little bonkers time travel.
Stirling is big on time travel and military history. Much like An Island in Time, a group of modern people are stranded in history. In this case, a history professor and his four graduate students are visiting a physicist who – unbeknownst to them – has created a secret time machine and has a bunch of low-tech survival gear ready to go. Thermonuclear war suddenly breaks out, and the physicist is killed, and our historians are accidentally flung back in time to the Roman Empire.
Bonkers premise? Yes. But this is pretty typical for Stirling; how the transference happens is flimsy and doesn’t matter. It’s about what they do when they get there.
Which is, obviously, start introducing things like enhanced farming equipment, new crops, the printing press, and gunpowder. They’ve decided they’re going to try and avert the Dark Ages and make the world better. And it doesn’t matter if they change time; after all, in our history, the world just ended in nuclear war. Who wouldn’t want to change that?
I’ll be honest, these books aren’t the best time travel books you’re going to find. They’re a historian’s fantasy of ‘what would I do if I got sent back in time with all my knowledge, and I didn’t immediately die of dysentery or get stabbed by a sword’. And Stirling also starts to get pretty in the weeds with numbers and resources and military tactics, which make my eyes glaze over a bit, but if you’re a military history buff, you’ll LOVE it.
That said, I still enjoy these. It’s escapist fiction, and it’s okay if you enjoy something absurdly unrealistic and ridiculous. It’s great for fans of alternate history/sci-fi like Harry Turtledove, or if you just want a little bonkers time travel.
September 6, 2024
two months ago, Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit, mentioned this book, a character, Nicole from Household Gods by Tara/Turtledove makes an appearance. So I first read Household gods - out of print but readily available used. I really like that book, all the more so after reading this one.
I'm not the audience for Time Travel from the future where instead of adjusting to the past (which Nicole did) the moderns are able to recreate every necessary connivence from their future. since the earth in 2032 is being destroyed by world wide thermo-nuclear bombs - the 5 who arrive in 2nd century Pannonia (Northern Roman Empire - near Vienna) come with at least a ton of stuff, books, maps and knowledge.
What I liked - Josepheus- the Jewish Merchant, who immediately recognizes Mark the modern Jew - neither are religious - but here is the real story - 2000 years, not Romans, Germans or any of the other tribes exist - and yet Jews do - to the point that they can recognize each other over the centuries.
There really is no character development - cardboard characters through and through.
Stirling had to get a dig into President Trump - whom he claims won in 2024 (from his mouth to Gods ears!) and has done away with elections in 2032. (hmm, wasn't Kamala just selected without any primary? but I digress). This paragraph was so unnecessary .
Then, there is the description of the evils of the German tribes - so barbaric - to a t- he described exactly what Hamas did to Israeli civilians on Oct 7, So that kind of evil hasn't been eradicated - and all the 'new' inventions they bring won't change that.
I guess Stirling likes war - because the last quarter were only about war. Oh well.
I'd recommend reading Household Gods and not bothering with this one.
I'm not the audience for Time Travel from the future where instead of adjusting to the past (which Nicole did) the moderns are able to recreate every necessary connivence from their future. since the earth in 2032 is being destroyed by world wide thermo-nuclear bombs - the 5 who arrive in 2nd century Pannonia (Northern Roman Empire - near Vienna) come with at least a ton of stuff, books, maps and knowledge.
What I liked - Josepheus- the Jewish Merchant, who immediately recognizes Mark the modern Jew - neither are religious - but here is the real story - 2000 years, not Romans, Germans or any of the other tribes exist - and yet Jews do - to the point that they can recognize each other over the centuries.
There really is no character development - cardboard characters through and through.
Stirling had to get a dig into President Trump - whom he claims won in 2024 (from his mouth to Gods ears!) and has done away with elections in 2032. (hmm, wasn't Kamala just selected without any primary? but I digress). This paragraph was so unnecessary .
Then, there is the description of the evils of the German tribes - so barbaric - to a t- he described exactly what Hamas did to Israeli civilians on Oct 7, So that kind of evil hasn't been eradicated - and all the 'new' inventions they bring won't change that.
I guess Stirling likes war - because the last quarter were only about war. Oh well.
I'd recommend reading Household Gods and not bothering with this one.
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January 27, 2025Here’s a rewritten and polished version of your request, with the provided links included:
I am thoroughly enjoying your novel To Turn the Tide and was curious if there might be plans for a sequel or even an alternate history, multigenerational saga novel series. It strikes me that if you ever had the opportunity to collaborate with Amazon, the current owner of MGM Studios and the Stargate franchise, there could be a fascinating opportunity to explore alternative historical scenarios.
One intriguing idea would involve a timeline where total nuclear war (World War III) is prevented not by conventional means but by implementing a strict global policy prohibiting the use of nuclear bombs on Earth. Instead, nuclear weapons could be repurposed exclusively for planetary defense, counteroffense, and the security of Earth as a whole—essentially preventing any single nation or civilization from using them in conflict on Earth. This idea aligns with concepts explored within the Stargate universe, which you can find more about here: Stargate Nuclear Warhead.
Additionally, I noticed your novel explores the possibility of the Roman Empire never falling. If this multigenerational Roman civilization were to gradually and linearly expand, accumulating power and influence over centuries, it could lead to a scenario where the Roman Empire ultimately conquers and rules the entire planet. Such a storyline would lend itself beautifully to exploring themes of governance, cultural evolution, and technological advancement across generations.
I hope these ideas spark further inspiration for your work! It would be exciting to see a blend of alternate history, sci-fi elements, and deeply woven multigenerational storytelling in your future projects.
April 13, 2025
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So I don’t read much SF/Fantasy, because it mostly beggars my imagination. But I recognize the masters of these genres, and props to them.
I knew who SM Stirling was and I picked up his book because it sounded mostly plausible. A time travel adventure, where earth has been destroyed but a group of grad students groomed by an Austrian doomsday prepper managed to crawl into his time machine loaded up with books and seeds, and they end up in Ancient Rome. The Austrian guy planned it that way, a graduate project waiting for the right moment.
The beginning of the book is a fascinating look into the life and times and food of Ancient Rome, but by page 193 it turns into a straight-up war story. The grad students have decided to try to change things so the Roman Empire keeps on going and doesn’t split into a European side and an Asian side that nearly destroy each other through the two world wars and into the 21st century, where we simply nuke ourselves out of existence.
This is actually the book I’ve been waiting for old Harry Turtledove to write, alternate history at its finest. You have to read SM Stirling slowly too, just like Harry, because you can’t speed read your way through these books. You’ll miss half the information and all the experience. SM Stirling even borrows a character from the book "Household Gods" that Harry Turtledove wrote with Judith Tarr, for a cameo appearance, and that’s kinda cool.
There are a lot of amateur linguaphiles coming out of the woodwork to complain about how he butchers Latin, I dunno. The big book people only care if you tick off all the DEI boxes, they’re not gonna fact check nominative declensions.
Time to add SM Stirling to my list.
So I don’t read much SF/Fantasy, because it mostly beggars my imagination. But I recognize the masters of these genres, and props to them.
I knew who SM Stirling was and I picked up his book because it sounded mostly plausible. A time travel adventure, where earth has been destroyed but a group of grad students groomed by an Austrian doomsday prepper managed to crawl into his time machine loaded up with books and seeds, and they end up in Ancient Rome. The Austrian guy planned it that way, a graduate project waiting for the right moment.
The beginning of the book is a fascinating look into the life and times and food of Ancient Rome, but by page 193 it turns into a straight-up war story. The grad students have decided to try to change things so the Roman Empire keeps on going and doesn’t split into a European side and an Asian side that nearly destroy each other through the two world wars and into the 21st century, where we simply nuke ourselves out of existence.
This is actually the book I’ve been waiting for old Harry Turtledove to write, alternate history at its finest. You have to read SM Stirling slowly too, just like Harry, because you can’t speed read your way through these books. You’ll miss half the information and all the experience. SM Stirling even borrows a character from the book "Household Gods" that Harry Turtledove wrote with Judith Tarr, for a cameo appearance, and that’s kinda cool.
There are a lot of amateur linguaphiles coming out of the woodwork to complain about how he butchers Latin, I dunno. The big book people only care if you tick off all the DEI boxes, they’re not gonna fact check nominative declensions.
Time to add SM Stirling to my list.
September 5, 2024
So excellent!
S.M. Stirling is one of my favorite authors. I’ve read and re-read for pleasure many of his books over the years. So I was thrilled when I saw this pop up in one of my enewsletters a few months ago! Not only a new novel, but time travelers fleeing our doomed (in this scenario) modern nuclear self-inflicted apocalypse, and arriving at the height of ancient Rome’s sway over the ancient world.
And…I was not disappointed! I loved this book and the characters were very ‘real’, with many of the kinds of emotional/existential conflicts which I imagine most modern people would experience in this (fantastic) situation of time-displacement into a decidedly not-modern civilization.
In some ways there are parallels with the ‘portal fantasy’ tradition, when you consider the realities of the ancient world (whether only 500 years ago, or 1500+), it is like crossing into a surreal, dangerous, unpredictable otherworld populated by wild beasts and human ‘monsters.’
I highly recommend this book to all fans of Stirling, fans of science-fiction, fantasy, alternative history, and interesting thought on human nature and civilization. We do each still carry within us the ‘noble savage’ hearts of our ancestors, despite the camofluage of culture.
Here’s to hoping that a second novel will be coming (I have no idea, but hope so!).
S.M. Stirling is one of my favorite authors. I’ve read and re-read for pleasure many of his books over the years. So I was thrilled when I saw this pop up in one of my enewsletters a few months ago! Not only a new novel, but time travelers fleeing our doomed (in this scenario) modern nuclear self-inflicted apocalypse, and arriving at the height of ancient Rome’s sway over the ancient world.
And…I was not disappointed! I loved this book and the characters were very ‘real’, with many of the kinds of emotional/existential conflicts which I imagine most modern people would experience in this (fantastic) situation of time-displacement into a decidedly not-modern civilization.
In some ways there are parallels with the ‘portal fantasy’ tradition, when you consider the realities of the ancient world (whether only 500 years ago, or 1500+), it is like crossing into a surreal, dangerous, unpredictable otherworld populated by wild beasts and human ‘monsters.’
I highly recommend this book to all fans of Stirling, fans of science-fiction, fantasy, alternative history, and interesting thought on human nature and civilization. We do each still carry within us the ‘noble savage’ hearts of our ancestors, despite the camofluage of culture.
Here’s to hoping that a second novel will be coming (I have no idea, but hope so!).
February 24, 2025
This book was written for me. Time travel. Roman History. Introducing new ideas into a historical setting. I enjoyed every page.
I'm certain some would find the technical explanations tedious and not much like a book of fiction.
In many cases it read like a manual and not a novel.
The main characters aren't very fleshed out. I found the side characters more interesting.
But again, this is the kind of book I wanted (for reference I loved "1632" that was more of a story too)
As a minor spoiler I found the premise hard to swallow (Not the time travel part that's the part you just choose to accept). The premise of world ending nuclear war .... which also isn't the problem ....
But two things. No plausible reason was given why the German scientist *needed* the historians. He's made very good preparations himself. And even more difficult to understand. Why do the people trapped in the past think that accelerating technical change and Roman power will prevent a world ending nuclear war? If anything it will simply accelerate the advent of nuclear weapons.
That seemed stupid. A much better setup would have been a world ending asteroid where technology was just a few years away from being able to prevent it.... THAT would make accelerating technical progress more valuable.
Anyway, This is the kind of book I'm always seeking out. I will definitely read any sequel.
I'm certain some would find the technical explanations tedious and not much like a book of fiction.
In many cases it read like a manual and not a novel.
The main characters aren't very fleshed out. I found the side characters more interesting.
But again, this is the kind of book I wanted (for reference I loved "1632" that was more of a story too)
As a minor spoiler I found the premise hard to swallow (Not the time travel part that's the part you just choose to accept). The premise of world ending nuclear war .... which also isn't the problem ....
But two things. No plausible reason was given why the German scientist *needed* the historians. He's made very good preparations himself. And even more difficult to understand. Why do the people trapped in the past think that accelerating technical change and Roman power will prevent a world ending nuclear war? If anything it will simply accelerate the advent of nuclear weapons.
That seemed stupid. A much better setup would have been a world ending asteroid where technology was just a few years away from being able to prevent it.... THAT would make accelerating technical progress more valuable.
Anyway, This is the kind of book I'm always seeking out. I will definitely read any sequel.
September 8, 2024
This could have been fun.
Sadly it's got a big flaw.
It's start off with a Nuclear War, boom, everyones dead. Except these few sent back in time by a handy time machine, a load of money, seeds, solar powered laptops and phones and various other handy stuff.
The big fat flaw is they decide introducing innovations early, printing press, gunpowder, medical treatments, better farming gear and so on will prevent the big bad from happening.
Why?
We have all this now. It sure hasn't made us nicer people, we still seek power, we still cling to Nationalism, prejudices, cultural practices that aren't healthy, the idea some humans are superior to others.
Neither America nor any other nation has made a point of helping others as their primary goal, even their own people.
All I can see from this book is they speed up the process of self destruction a lot quicker than it happened before.
Pity, if he'd stuck to a bunch of people tossed back in time and just trying to survive and make life a bit easier for themselves, it would have come across a bit better for me.
And...gunpowder?? Yeah right...
Sadly it's got a big flaw.
It's start off with a Nuclear War, boom, everyones dead. Except these few sent back in time by a handy time machine, a load of money, seeds, solar powered laptops and phones and various other handy stuff.
The big fat flaw is they decide introducing innovations early, printing press, gunpowder, medical treatments, better farming gear and so on will prevent the big bad from happening.
Why?
We have all this now. It sure hasn't made us nicer people, we still seek power, we still cling to Nationalism, prejudices, cultural practices that aren't healthy, the idea some humans are superior to others.
Neither America nor any other nation has made a point of helping others as their primary goal, even their own people.
All I can see from this book is they speed up the process of self destruction a lot quicker than it happened before.
Pity, if he'd stuck to a bunch of people tossed back in time and just trying to survive and make life a bit easier for themselves, it would have come across a bit better for me.
And...gunpowder?? Yeah right...
February 11, 2025
S.M. Stirling’s alternate history novel, To Turn the Tide, poses the question: If a team of time-traveling historians settled in the first-century Roman empire of Marcus Aurelius, could they prevent the Dark Ages?
They get out of modern Vienna as civilization-ending bombs are falling, so they can’t go back, but they are tolerably well-equipped with newly minted Roman coins and reference material. They all know Latin, but their accents need work. Each of them has a subspecialty to help them make important innovations. They don’t try to introduce technological civilization all at once. Instead, they work on feasible changes using the skills of local workers. For example, they suggest putting stirrups on saddles and collars on draft animals, and the formula for gunpowder helps the Romans defeat German barbarians.
Stirling’s world-building is developed more fully than his characters, and some lacunae in the plot are bothersome. To Turn the Tide is listed as a stand-alone novel, but there is room to develop a series, and it is a worthy addition to the Harry Turtledove school of alternate history.
They get out of modern Vienna as civilization-ending bombs are falling, so they can’t go back, but they are tolerably well-equipped with newly minted Roman coins and reference material. They all know Latin, but their accents need work. Each of them has a subspecialty to help them make important innovations. They don’t try to introduce technological civilization all at once. Instead, they work on feasible changes using the skills of local workers. For example, they suggest putting stirrups on saddles and collars on draft animals, and the formula for gunpowder helps the Romans defeat German barbarians.
Stirling’s world-building is developed more fully than his characters, and some lacunae in the plot are bothersome. To Turn the Tide is listed as a stand-alone novel, but there is room to develop a series, and it is a worthy addition to the Harry Turtledove school of alternate history.
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