first office book club read! fascinating because of our direct connection to the subject. i'm going to jot down what i roughly remember from the conversation for future memory-jogging; def losing a lot of nuance / detail! layer 1: is the CIO any good? if performance is a function of intuition and personal experience, what does it mean when performance is mediocre? layer 2: personal purpose: why does anyone do this? this, as in investing — direct and otherwise. what meaning, really, do people find in being an actual cog in the machine of the financial system vs. creating other value separate from the machine but still being dictated by it? yes, capitalism as a method of capital allocation is essential, but to what extent is the financial system, with all its artificial complexities and "rent-collecting," actually necessary? to what extent is this work purposeful? how much impact, really, can one person have, and does that absolve us? the CIO seems to be searching for some complex, meaningful answer; michael hermann delivers something simple and unsatisfying. layer 3: on an economic level, the fundamental misalignment between a truly long-term time horizon (indefinite) and humans' short term existence, which manifests (professionally) in pride / the need to prove oneself and track record-building / fund size-growing. layer 4: different perceptions of wielding privilege and power based on personal background — the "come-up" mitigates the moralizing that leads someone to despise the power they have. layer 5: circles of care, who do you include in your circle of care? and how does drawing that circle of care become a tool for resolving contradiction? michael hermann is a distillation of finance for finance's sake. his circle of care is a pinprick because to draw it any wider — to include a family, his own life, pride & fame, society, the impact of his practice & wealth, firm-building, even — is distracting. he has no contradiction because his motivations, goals, views, etc. are simplified and "pure." but to what extent is this possible, replicable, desirable? an the end (spoiler alert), the CIO chooses to embrace the contradictions and existential crises, coming to believe that we cannot expect these things to be resolved without losing humanity. he returns to where he began, but with new acceptance. joe ended with a perfect quote of walt whitman's song of myself: Do I contradict myself? / Very well then I contradict myself, / (I am large, I contain multitudes.)