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Thunderbolts (2006) (Collected Editions) #3
Thunderbolts: Fe en los monstruos
En una época en la que los estados Unidos perdierno su fe en los superhéroes, los villanos reformados de Norman Osborn, los Thunderbolts, jamás han sido más vitales. Sin embargo, no todo está bien en la Montaña Thunderbolt: peleas internas amenazan con la separación del grupo, a medida que cada nuevo héroe debe lidiar con sus poderes. COn el grupo mejorando su prestigio en las encuestras, los Estados Unidos están listos apra aceptar a sus nuevos salvadores. ¿Pueden los Thunderbolts estar a la altura del desafío?
Recopila: Thunderbolts #110-115 y Civil War: Choosing sides.
Recopila: Thunderbolts #110-115 y Civil War: Choosing sides.
184 pages, Hardcover
First published October 3, 2007
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Warren Ellis
1,753 books5,765 followersWarren Ellis is the award-winning writer of graphic novels like TRANSMETROPOLITAN, FELL, MINISTRY OF SPACE and PLANETARY, and the author of the NYT-bestselling GUN MACHINE and the “underground classic” novel CROOKED LITTLE VEIN, as well as the digital short-story single DEAD PIG COLLECTOR. His newest book is the novella NORMAL, from FSG Originals, listed as one of Amazon’s Best 100 Books Of 2016.
The movie RED is based on his graphic novel of the same name, its sequel having been released in summer 2013. IRON MAN 3 is based on his Marvel Comics graphic novel IRON MAN: EXTREMIS. He is currently developing his graphic novel sequence with Jason Howard, TREES, for television, in concert with HardySonBaker and NBCU, and continues to work as a screenwriter and producer in film and television, represented by Angela Cheng Caplan and Cheng Caplan Company. He is the creator, writer and co-producer of the Netflix series CASTLEVANIA, recently renewed for its third season, and of the recently-announced Netflix series HEAVEN’S FOREST.
He’s written extensively for VICE, WIRED UK and Reuters on technological and cultural matters, and given keynote speeches and lectures at events like dConstruct, ThingsCon, Improving Reality, SxSW, How The Light Gets In, Haunted Machines and Cognitive Cities.
Warren Ellis has recently developed and curated the revival of the Wildstorm creative library for DC Entertainment with the series THE WILD STORM, and is currently working on the serialising of new graphic novel works TREES: THREE FATES and INJECTION at Image Comics, and the serialised graphic novel THE BATMAN’S GRAVE for DC Comics, while working as a Consulting Producer on another television series.
A documentary about his work, CAPTURED GHOSTS, was released in 2012.
Recognitions include the NUIG Literary and Debating Society’s President’s Medal for service to freedom of speech, the EAGLE AWARDS Roll Of Honour for lifetime achievement in the field of comics & graphic novels, the Grand Prix de l’Imaginaire 2010, the Sidewise Award for Alternate History and the International Horror Guild Award for illustrated narrative. He is a Patron of Humanists UK. He holds an honorary doctorate from the University of Essex.
Warren Ellis lives outside London, on the south-east coast of England, in case he needs to make a quick getaway.
The movie RED is based on his graphic novel of the same name, its sequel having been released in summer 2013. IRON MAN 3 is based on his Marvel Comics graphic novel IRON MAN: EXTREMIS. He is currently developing his graphic novel sequence with Jason Howard, TREES, for television, in concert with HardySonBaker and NBCU, and continues to work as a screenwriter and producer in film and television, represented by Angela Cheng Caplan and Cheng Caplan Company. He is the creator, writer and co-producer of the Netflix series CASTLEVANIA, recently renewed for its third season, and of the recently-announced Netflix series HEAVEN’S FOREST.
He’s written extensively for VICE, WIRED UK and Reuters on technological and cultural matters, and given keynote speeches and lectures at events like dConstruct, ThingsCon, Improving Reality, SxSW, How The Light Gets In, Haunted Machines and Cognitive Cities.
Warren Ellis has recently developed and curated the revival of the Wildstorm creative library for DC Entertainment with the series THE WILD STORM, and is currently working on the serialising of new graphic novel works TREES: THREE FATES and INJECTION at Image Comics, and the serialised graphic novel THE BATMAN’S GRAVE for DC Comics, while working as a Consulting Producer on another television series.
A documentary about his work, CAPTURED GHOSTS, was released in 2012.
Recognitions include the NUIG Literary and Debating Society’s President’s Medal for service to freedom of speech, the EAGLE AWARDS Roll Of Honour for lifetime achievement in the field of comics & graphic novels, the Grand Prix de l’Imaginaire 2010, the Sidewise Award for Alternate History and the International Horror Guild Award for illustrated narrative. He is a Patron of Humanists UK. He holds an honorary doctorate from the University of Essex.
Warren Ellis lives outside London, on the south-east coast of England, in case he needs to make a quick getaway.
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November 13, 2021
Ellis hits books like this like a hammer.
In preparation for a re-read (inspired by a Facebook group’s Sunday group read), I started with the issue before Ellis’s start on this book. It’s night and day - like when Ennis started in his legendary run on Hellblazer. Stock-standard comic storytelling shifts suddenly to 100 kph action, terse full-frontal dialog and no apologies.
Takes a redemption premise and turns it into a sociopaths delight with life and death stakes between factions in the team, little idea where Ellis is taking us except down a gleeful path into unhinged Osborn territory.
It’s so fucking good it should be illegal.
In preparation for a re-read (inspired by a Facebook group’s Sunday group read), I started with the issue before Ellis’s start on this book. It’s night and day - like when Ennis started in his legendary run on Hellblazer. Stock-standard comic storytelling shifts suddenly to 100 kph action, terse full-frontal dialog and no apologies.
Takes a redemption premise and turns it into a sociopaths delight with life and death stakes between factions in the team, little idea where Ellis is taking us except down a gleeful path into unhinged Osborn territory.
It’s so fucking good it should be illegal.
March 3, 2012
This is a spin-off of Marvel's "Civil War" event from a few years ago. In the wake of the Superhero Registration Act where superheroes had to reveal their identities and sign up to the government's program where their powers and statuses are monitored to stop them from being vigilantes, a group of super-villains are chosen to hunt down the renegade superheroes who refused to sign up - this group's name is the Thunderbolts.
I wasn't much of a fan of the Civil War "event" and especially the idea that superheroes had to sign up to the government, it just felt a big too regulated and dull to be much fun but it also felt a bit strange - why would they sign up when they're superheroes? It doesn't make sense. And nor does a super-villain team of hunters, not when you see the line-up.
Venom? Bullseye? Since when could these two be regulated to be obedient soldiers? But these were the only two I recognised from the team, the other members are moronic super-villains called Songbird, Radioactive Man (I wish it were the Simpsons character), Swordsman (guess what weapon he's got) and Penance (what an awful name) who's powers derive from being in physical pain himself.
These D-list characters spend the book rounding up D-list superheroes I've never heard of - Jack Flag, American Eagle, Steel Spider (a guy with Doc Ock type machinery but who claims to be like Spiderman minus the powers) - who the hells heard of these guys? The entire book turns into a formulaic, one-note story about the Thunderbolts taking down a superhero, one after tedious another.
Warren Ellis is a decent writer but even he can't save this poorly conceived storyline. None of the characters are likeable but we're supposed to be on the side of these super-villain gestapo officers? None of the superheroes are likeable either though really, where's Cap, where's Spiderman, where's Hulk or Thor or anyone recognisable? Norman Osborn for some reason resembles Tommy Lee Jones... what the hell is going on?!
I didn't like Civil War or it's spin-offs and "Thunderbolts" is one of the least interesting and poorly put together spin-offs of the bunch. To be honest it felt like a parody of superhero comics it was so bad. Despite being a big fan of Ellis' this is definitely not one of his better efforts and shows the limits of the superhero genre in merging it with the "real" world.
I wasn't much of a fan of the Civil War "event" and especially the idea that superheroes had to sign up to the government, it just felt a big too regulated and dull to be much fun but it also felt a bit strange - why would they sign up when they're superheroes? It doesn't make sense. And nor does a super-villain team of hunters, not when you see the line-up.
Venom? Bullseye? Since when could these two be regulated to be obedient soldiers? But these were the only two I recognised from the team, the other members are moronic super-villains called Songbird, Radioactive Man (I wish it were the Simpsons character), Swordsman (guess what weapon he's got) and Penance (what an awful name) who's powers derive from being in physical pain himself.
These D-list characters spend the book rounding up D-list superheroes I've never heard of - Jack Flag, American Eagle, Steel Spider (a guy with Doc Ock type machinery but who claims to be like Spiderman minus the powers) - who the hells heard of these guys? The entire book turns into a formulaic, one-note story about the Thunderbolts taking down a superhero, one after tedious another.
Warren Ellis is a decent writer but even he can't save this poorly conceived storyline. None of the characters are likeable but we're supposed to be on the side of these super-villain gestapo officers? None of the superheroes are likeable either though really, where's Cap, where's Spiderman, where's Hulk or Thor or anyone recognisable? Norman Osborn for some reason resembles Tommy Lee Jones... what the hell is going on?!
I didn't like Civil War or it's spin-offs and "Thunderbolts" is one of the least interesting and poorly put together spin-offs of the bunch. To be honest it felt like a parody of superhero comics it was so bad. Despite being a big fan of Ellis' this is definitely not one of his better efforts and shows the limits of the superhero genre in merging it with the "real" world.
February 7, 2017
This run was one of the first things I started reading when I took the dive into buying comics monthly. It amazed me at how no-holds barred it was; Violent, unforgiving, full of consequence, I was as they say, at the edge of my seat with excitement.
Many years later, the reread holds up well. Mike Deodato with Rain Beredo create some wonderful finished artwork. Ellis writes an extremely dysfunctional team led by a Norman Osborn who's barely holding both the team, and his mask of sanity, together.
Things go from bad to worse, and the ensuing train wreck is especially entertaining to watch.
All in all, this is some supremely exciting storytelling, and one of the better things to come out in the civil war aftermath.
oh and a mention for Marko Djurdjevic, who did all the stunning covers for this run. Awe inspiring stuff.
The universe is not done with you yet, Jack Harrison...
Many years later, the reread holds up well. Mike Deodato with Rain Beredo create some wonderful finished artwork. Ellis writes an extremely dysfunctional team led by a Norman Osborn who's barely holding both the team, and his mask of sanity, together.
Things go from bad to worse, and the ensuing train wreck is especially entertaining to watch.
All in all, this is some supremely exciting storytelling, and one of the better things to come out in the civil war aftermath.
oh and a mention for Marko Djurdjevic, who did all the stunning covers for this run. Awe inspiring stuff.
The universe is not done with you yet, Jack Harrison...
October 16, 2017
The Superhuman Registration Act has created a split in the superhuman community. Some embrace it, others are afraid of the repercussions, and a few see it as an opportunity. It creates the setting for some interesting personal stories and introspections.
The Thunderbolts working under Norman Osborn are Penance, Venom, Songbird, Radioactive Man, Swordsman and, unknown to the public, Bullseye. They were injected with nanobots capable of electrocuting them if they disobey orders. Dr. Sofen is chosen as team leader. Each member is damaged in some way and the team is anything but cohesive, but Osborn intends to take advantage of the Superhuman Registration Act to kick some heroes around while battling his own obsession with Spider-Man.
The Thunderbolts working under Norman Osborn are Penance, Venom, Songbird, Radioactive Man, Swordsman and, unknown to the public, Bullseye. They were injected with nanobots capable of electrocuting them if they disobey orders. Dr. Sofen is chosen as team leader. Each member is damaged in some way and the team is anything but cohesive, but Osborn intends to take advantage of the Superhuman Registration Act to kick some heroes around while battling his own obsession with Spider-Man.
March 13, 2015
Za tuhle drobnou odbočku, se kterou jsem čtenářsky úplně nepočítal může několik věcí. Zaprvé přečtení one-shotu Osborn: Reincarcerated a za druhé to, že tohle dílko vyšlo v UKK. Respektive vyšel jeho začátek. Ondra Král, jako znalec promine, ale dovolím si tu nenápadně zmínit co vlastně jsou to ti Thunderbolts.
Thunderbolts je tým složený z napravených záporáků. Slovo napravených tam má uvozovky naprosto právem, protože tým složený primárně z volnomyšlenkářů, narcistů a potomků nacistických zločinců asi nikdy nebude sekat dobrotu. Původní Busiekův tým Thunderbolts se několikrát obměnoval a proplouval marvelovskými eventy, společně s jejich vůdcem - Baronem Helmutem Zemem.
Jenže nastala Civil War a tým Thunderbolts začal fungovat jako black ops jednotka, jejímž úkolem bylo chytat superhrdiny kterým se příliš nechtělo se registrovat. I po skončení Civil War zůstalo na světě spoustu neregistrovaných superhrdinů, kterébylo v rámci práva a státu nutno zpacifikovat. No,..a pokud někomu přišlo to, že tenhle tým vede nacistický Zemo, jako silné kafe, tak tady teprve nastala ta správná legrace.
K sérii přišel Warren Ellis a vůdcem Thunderbolts se stal Norman Osborn.
Ten Norman Osborn, který po vyléčení a institucionalizaci vyměnil šílenství za věc mnohem horší. Za politické ambice.
V době kdy se blížila Secret Invasion a značně narušené vzájemné vztahy a důvěra mezi klasickými hrdiny dostupovala vrcholu, vrhl Ellis ke zbytku zdecimovaných Thunderbolts novou krev. A na místo zločinců s přesvědčení se dostali vraždící psychopati.
Bullseye, Venom a masochistický Penance. Rozhodně parta od které nečekáte že bude sundávat koťátka ze stromu. Bullseye zabíjí lidi, už jen protože mu to jde a je to narušený šílenec, Mac Gargan - původně druhořadý zlodějíček s pifkou na Spider-Mana, ventiluje svoje mindráky pomocí symbionta, který mu umožnuje zabíjet a mrzačit poměrně efektivně. Ano, udělat z těhle pánů pořádkovou jednotku bylo asi stejně chytré a bezpečné jako když dáte malým dětem uzi. Naštěstí na tyhle psychopaty dohlíží psychiatrický dozor.
Což je bohužel další šílenec.
Ellis vrhnul do Thunderbolts nový prvek magořiny a ještě zvedl úroveň vzájemné nedůvěry čímž oživil zábavnost téhle řady a stejně jako konkureční Gail Simone ukázala kouzlo záporáků v jednom týmu v Secret Six.
Warren Ellis stvořil vynikající příběh plný šílenců s povoleným vodítkem. Upřímně, je to něco ako kdyby někdo udělal show kde Hannibal Lecter vaří Láďu Hrušku.
Svoboda je pro hlupáky. Spravedlnost je jako blesk. Když udeří tak to lítá...
*CHRAMST*
Thunderbolts je tým složený z napravených záporáků. Slovo napravených tam má uvozovky naprosto právem, protože tým složený primárně z volnomyšlenkářů, narcistů a potomků nacistických zločinců asi nikdy nebude sekat dobrotu. Původní Busiekův tým Thunderbolts se několikrát obměnoval a proplouval marvelovskými eventy, společně s jejich vůdcem - Baronem Helmutem Zemem.
Jenže nastala Civil War a tým Thunderbolts začal fungovat jako black ops jednotka, jejímž úkolem bylo chytat superhrdiny kterým se příliš nechtělo se registrovat. I po skončení Civil War zůstalo na světě spoustu neregistrovaných superhrdinů, kterébylo v rámci práva a státu nutno zpacifikovat. No,..a pokud někomu přišlo to, že tenhle tým vede nacistický Zemo, jako silné kafe, tak tady teprve nastala ta správná legrace.
K sérii přišel Warren Ellis a vůdcem Thunderbolts se stal Norman Osborn.
Ten Norman Osborn, který po vyléčení a institucionalizaci vyměnil šílenství za věc mnohem horší. Za politické ambice.
V době kdy se blížila Secret Invasion a značně narušené vzájemné vztahy a důvěra mezi klasickými hrdiny dostupovala vrcholu, vrhl Ellis ke zbytku zdecimovaných Thunderbolts novou krev. A na místo zločinců s přesvědčení se dostali vraždící psychopati.
Bullseye, Venom a masochistický Penance. Rozhodně parta od které nečekáte že bude sundávat koťátka ze stromu. Bullseye zabíjí lidi, už jen protože mu to jde a je to narušený šílenec, Mac Gargan - původně druhořadý zlodějíček s pifkou na Spider-Mana, ventiluje svoje mindráky pomocí symbionta, který mu umožnuje zabíjet a mrzačit poměrně efektivně. Ano, udělat z těhle pánů pořádkovou jednotku bylo asi stejně chytré a bezpečné jako když dáte malým dětem uzi. Naštěstí na tyhle psychopaty dohlíží psychiatrický dozor.
Což je bohužel další šílenec.
Ellis vrhnul do Thunderbolts nový prvek magořiny a ještě zvedl úroveň vzájemné nedůvěry čímž oživil zábavnost téhle řady a stejně jako konkureční Gail Simone ukázala kouzlo záporáků v jednom týmu v Secret Six.
Warren Ellis stvořil vynikající příběh plný šílenců s povoleným vodítkem. Upřímně, je to něco ako kdyby někdo udělal show kde Hannibal Lecter vaří Láďu Hrušku.
Svoboda je pro hlupáky. Spravedlnost je jako blesk. Když udeří tak to lítá...
*CHRAMST*
January 3, 2021
Una de las mejores cosas que tiene esta colección Marvel/Salvat es la cantidad de series que conocía sólo de nombre y al menos incluyen un tomo que sirve de muestra de las mismas que permite descubrirlas. Hoy es el caso de Thunderbolts, una idea que podría haber sido algo puntual -un grupo de villanos que se hace pasar por héroes en determinadas circunstancias- pero que ha caracoleado a lo largo de los años en diferentes encarnaciones y momentos, al punto de asemejarse -en mi opinión, al menos- al Escuadrón Suicida de la Distinguida Competencia. Aquí, el momento puntual de la colección que se incluye en el libro, es apenas después de la Guerra Civil que enfrentara a los superhéroes y convirtiera a Iron Man en un personaje bastante fulero e inclasificable que, por una serie de circunstancias previas a este libro, se encuentra en el poder de SHIELD y mandando cazar a todos aquellos antiguos camaradas que no firmaron la polémica ley de registro. Y ahí entran estos Thunderbolts en particular, liderados por un “rehabilitado” Duende Verde, Norman Osborn, quien arma un equipo de personajes más o menos ignotos- Venom, Penitencia, Barón Strucker, Piedra Lunar, Bullseye, el Hombre Radiactivo y Songbird- y salen a cazar superhéroes incluso todavía más desconocidos -literalmente no había escuchado nunca jamás de ninguno de ellos- que se atreven (o quedan en orsai sin querer) a desafiar al actual gobierno totalitario. ¿Y qué es lo que hace esta serie de personajes casi todos poco relevantes en aventuras absolutamente puntuales un must read? La labor inmensa del igualmente inmenso Warren Ellis en los controles, logrando -reitero, con el Suicide Squad de Ostrander bien presente- una obra redonda, donde la machaca está a la orden del día, pero también la tramoya política y las traiciones y conspiraciones entre todos estos nefastos protagonistas. Si sumamos el laburo ESPECTACULAR de Mike Deodato para cada batalla, cada cruce, cada entrevero, cada conversación tensa entre gente jodida, tenemos una gratísima sorpresa dentro de la colección (que ha esta altura puedo reconocer que da tantos dolores de cabeza cómo alegrías), en otra gran demostración del talento todoterreno de Ellis, uno que aprendió que este momento tan peculiar del Universo Marvel bien que daba para sacarle mucho jugo.
August 28, 2017
The Thunderbolts are a fun superhero team. They are bad guys sanctioned to enforce law and order. A bit like Freedom Force. The funniest chap has got to be the guy in charge, who used to be the Green Goblin.
March 26, 2020
Dark, violent but too short:)
October 15, 2022
I like this a lot but the Tommy Lee Jones looking Norman Osborn is really throwing me off.
May 17, 2017
Voy a empezar diciendo que Warren Ellis es uno de mis escritores favoritos asi que la objetividad seguro se fue al tacho cuando vi que lo escribia el.
Más allá de eso, es un cómic bien escrito, que explora las consecuencias de Civil War y las razones por las cuales el gobierno podría querer un equipo de villanos como cazadores de héroes sin registrar de una forma muy interesante.
Me gustó mucho la elección del lugar en el que se desarrolla gran parte de la acción, alejado de la clásica Nueva York, y los personajes que, si bien en su mayoría son de segunda o tercera línea están muy bien definidos en su caracter e intenciones.
El dibujo oscuro y cargado es muy bueno y ayuda a reforzar el ambiente de miedo y opresión.
Más allá de eso, es un cómic bien escrito, que explora las consecuencias de Civil War y las razones por las cuales el gobierno podría querer un equipo de villanos como cazadores de héroes sin registrar de una forma muy interesante.
Me gustó mucho la elección del lugar en el que se desarrolla gran parte de la acción, alejado de la clásica Nueva York, y los personajes que, si bien en su mayoría son de segunda o tercera línea están muy bien definidos en su caracter e intenciones.
El dibujo oscuro y cargado es muy bueno y ayuda a reforzar el ambiente de miedo y opresión.
June 10, 2016
I really enjoyed this. Normie running Thunderbolts for Stark.
Team is eating itself. Who plays who, watch them get embarrassed by D-listers all book. It's fun, Warren Ellis entertains with realistic dialogue. Or so I thought at least.
Team is eating itself. Who plays who, watch them get embarrassed by D-listers all book. It's fun, Warren Ellis entertains with realistic dialogue. Or so I thought at least.
October 13, 2012
I'm sorry to see the old Thunderbolts go, but this is wonderfully written, well characterized, brutally plotted, and beautifully drawn.
January 27, 2021
FiM is the establishment of another Thunderbolts team, lead now by Osborn, and is the starting point for the later Dark Avengers series, where the villainous half of the team stays on. Ellis plays the long game with his series, setting up storylines that benefit from being read together and seen as a unit. It does make the pace drop at times, and the long introductions we get do indeed familiarize us with the cast, they also end up eating space from advancing the plot. There are scenes and moments I really enjoy, but others that just drag and fall flat.
The book ends up being a mix of slice of life meets action punch-up with fun conversations, implications, and internal dynamics -- one that the later writers of the series have tried to copy but not quite gotten right. Deodato's art mostly blends in and doesn't detract, however it often fails to add anything substantial either.
All in all, a solid book with fun dialogue and good action, but hampered by a lot of set-up, which does however pay off in the following volumes. I'm a sucker for villainous teams, so this is right up my alley.
The book ends up being a mix of slice of life meets action punch-up with fun conversations, implications, and internal dynamics -- one that the later writers of the series have tried to copy but not quite gotten right. Deodato's art mostly blends in and doesn't detract, however it often fails to add anything substantial either.
All in all, a solid book with fun dialogue and good action, but hampered by a lot of set-up, which does however pay off in the following volumes. I'm a sucker for villainous teams, so this is right up my alley.
June 26, 2021
I'm reading this as part of my Venom/Carnage/other symbiotes read-through of the Spider-Man universe. While he's not the most major player in this Evil Team Pretends To Be Heroes (a la the Freedom Force in the 80s X-Men run) title, he's an important one.
This book is mostly about team dynamics, and the Not As Slow As You'd Think unraveling of Norman Osborn's sanity between Civil War and Dark Reign. There's a ton of character study and some fun action bits.
In light of the exposure of the way Warren Ellis has treated women, I can't recommend spending any money on this book, but it's an interesting read if you can find it in a library or are brazen enough to pirate comics.
This book is mostly about team dynamics, and the Not As Slow As You'd Think unraveling of Norman Osborn's sanity between Civil War and Dark Reign. There's a ton of character study and some fun action bits.
In light of the exposure of the way Warren Ellis has treated women, I can't recommend spending any money on this book, but it's an interesting read if you can find it in a library or are brazen enough to pirate comics.
May 30, 2023
Very good
December 1, 2017
I really like the idea of the Thunderbolts, and I REALLY like Songbirds character. I guess I just find their story hard to follow because I've been reading things not really in order but by what I can get my hands on which I think has been taking away from my enjoyment a bit...
Any ways. The artwork in this volume was pretty nice. I particularly enjoyed the coloring. I also really enjoyed all the T.V. spots that were spread in between the story. IT really shows how the public perception of the super hero community, especially around the civil war issue, is pretty far removed from the reality we the readers get to see.
The stories in here were nice, good background for the civil war event. But as far as the Thunderbolts themselves go I felt it was all kind of filler as you got to see current new order of things with the T-bolts and how it's pretty much falling apart from the get go. Osborn really does seem unstable, and Melisa really does seem like she should be in charge and Moonstone really does seem like a manipulative a-hole.
I had a little beef with the covers though. They kept showing Osborn as the Green Goblin and I felt this was all pretty uncalled for as the Goblin doesn't make a single appearance. Even if Osborn is going to revert to the Goblin in the near future they seem to have been prepping it p a little to early.
Any ways. The artwork in this volume was pretty nice. I particularly enjoyed the coloring. I also really enjoyed all the T.V. spots that were spread in between the story. IT really shows how the public perception of the super hero community, especially around the civil war issue, is pretty far removed from the reality we the readers get to see.
The stories in here were nice, good background for the civil war event. But as far as the Thunderbolts themselves go I felt it was all kind of filler as you got to see current new order of things with the T-bolts and how it's pretty much falling apart from the get go. Osborn really does seem unstable, and Melisa really does seem like she should be in charge and Moonstone really does seem like a manipulative a-hole.
I had a little beef with the covers though. They kept showing Osborn as the Green Goblin and I felt this was all pretty uncalled for as the Goblin doesn't make a single appearance. Even if Osborn is going to revert to the Goblin in the near future they seem to have been prepping it p a little to early.
July 29, 2013
I fully admit I find villains more interesting. If 1% of the population gained superpowers tomorrow I can almost guarantee the ratio of heroes to villains would be highly skewed. Heroics have a pretty slim number of motivators, while behaving badly has a plethora. (Of course these stories rarely account for people who might get superpowers, and decide to continue living their lives normally.)
I didn't even know the Thunderbolts existed until the new change ups. It mostly came unto my radar because of my interest in Warren Ellis.
When comics feel they need to make something edgier, they seem to call Ellis almost as a default. Ellis has a natural habit of giving things little intelligent flair, a more thoughtful exploration of the ramifications of these fantastical worlds.
The hook for the Thunderbolts is that these characters are primarily villains working to bring in unregistered superhumans. While I thought it would have the anti-hero set up, where villains-make-good and show us that they're multi-faceted, it ends up being more like a Weapon X type scenario, where they are all forced into crime-fighting under extreme duress, primarily through nanomachines that can straight up murder them if they misbehave.
It's a lot of hijinks, failure, and double-dealing, and Ellis ends up creating something that almost resembles a crime-novel within the world of capes.
I didn't even know the Thunderbolts existed until the new change ups. It mostly came unto my radar because of my interest in Warren Ellis.
When comics feel they need to make something edgier, they seem to call Ellis almost as a default. Ellis has a natural habit of giving things little intelligent flair, a more thoughtful exploration of the ramifications of these fantastical worlds.
The hook for the Thunderbolts is that these characters are primarily villains working to bring in unregistered superhumans. While I thought it would have the anti-hero set up, where villains-make-good and show us that they're multi-faceted, it ends up being more like a Weapon X type scenario, where they are all forced into crime-fighting under extreme duress, primarily through nanomachines that can straight up murder them if they misbehave.
It's a lot of hijinks, failure, and double-dealing, and Ellis ends up creating something that almost resembles a crime-novel within the world of capes.
March 29, 2009
Another good idea done badly, as the government decides to use a group of 'reformed' villains as a dirty jobs task force.
Unfortunately, Warren spends too much time making sure everyone spouts 'clever' dialogue and making the characters as unpleasant or bland as possible that you don't care.
then there's the tiny little problem I have with the united states government putting Norman Osborn, a known murderer and sociopath in charge of a government agency without any evidence that he answers to anyone.
I know this was set during the Bush years, but that's pushing it.
Basically, with this series, Warren and marvel is trying to get you to root for the fascists.
To give Warren credit, he does write Bullseye as a creepy badass.
You'd be better off to skip this series and buy some back issues of DC's 'Suicide Squad' comic. Same idea, much better writing and characterization.
Unfortunately, Warren spends too much time making sure everyone spouts 'clever' dialogue and making the characters as unpleasant or bland as possible that you don't care.
then there's the tiny little problem I have with the united states government putting Norman Osborn, a known murderer and sociopath in charge of a government agency without any evidence that he answers to anyone.
I know this was set during the Bush years, but that's pushing it.
Basically, with this series, Warren and marvel is trying to get you to root for the fascists.
To give Warren credit, he does write Bullseye as a creepy badass.
You'd be better off to skip this series and buy some back issues of DC's 'Suicide Squad' comic. Same idea, much better writing and characterization.
June 29, 2017
Les thunderbolts géré par Norman Osborn sont un régal ! Alors très edgy j'avoue ! Et l'atmosphère pesante de l'équipe, le manque de confiance des uns et des autres, les coups bas, la folie qui gangrène tout, magnifiée par Bullseyes par l'apparition du bouffon vert et le désir de Songbird de s'extirper d'une soumission, d'une objectivisation, du rôle qu'on lui prête dans l'équipe pour devenir une véritable héroïne.
February 2, 2015
I was surprised that I liked this comics so much. I was prepared to be bored to death, as I haven't heard about this team before.It turned out to be quite a pleasant read.
September 28, 2025
Just needed a few ish monsters :)
January 21, 2018
Other Useful Reviews: Jon Arnold's review
Book Info: This collection contains Thunderbolts issues #110-115.
ABSOLUTE RATING: {3/5 stars} (Rounded [...])
STANDARDIZED RATING: <3/5 stars>
As per the request of S.H.I.E.L.D. director Tony Stark, Norman Osborn has been named the newly-appointed head of the Thunderbolts strike force. Like his team of involuntarily reformed supercriminals, Osborn too is an ex-villain (i.e. the arch-nemesis of Spider-Man) working before the public eye to redeem his notorious image. Following the recent departure of field team leader Baron Zemo, Osborn assigns Moonstone to this position, and includes Venom, Penance, and Bullseye as new additions to work alongside veteran members Songbird and Radioactive Man. But with Osborn's medication progressively failing to inhibit his psychotic breaks, it seems questionable how long the team's warring egos can work together to maintain the public's favor, and Thunderbolts Mountain slowly begins to look more and more like a pressure cooker just waiting to explode...
I'm hoping that my intro paragraph was enough to indicate how poorly implemented an idea the Thunderbolts are on so many levels. As director of S.H.I.E.L.D., most (if not all) the major structuring of this team must have been either conducted or authorized by Tony Stark – a man we know to be a brilliant futurist and control freak who has a deep appreciation for the delicate political climate surrounding the Civil War. It's an unpopular sentiment, I know, but I think there's a good enough rationale behind Tony's use of the Thunderbolts during the Civil War, which, as he put it in The Confession , helped to "win [it] quickly," and prevent a lot of needless collateral damage. Ellis obviously understands that there would be a lot of readers still very skeptical about this decision, so he devotes much of the first issue to really drive in the fact that these criminals are on a tight leash, and can be easily incapacitated if they were to step out of line. So to some degree, Tony seems to have thought this thing out, and by now we should expect nothing less from him.
The problem here comes when you consider the appointment of Norman Osborn as team supervisor, as well as how much freedom he's given to select his own subordinates and conduct operations with extremely minimal oversight. Conceivably, years of medication and therapy could have done a good enough job of suppressing his more noticeable symptoms, but it should have appeared highly dubious that he'd genuinely changed his colors, or that his narcissism and cold ambition wouldn't ultimately derail the whole endeavor. That alone is a huge risk, so it's impossible to understand how such a man would then be given the space to slip-up as many times as he does in this book, or for word of Osborn's startling regression not to reach the ears of Tony Stark ASAP. Though it's ridiculous to think Tony could be so negligent, it's nearly just as crazy to see Osborn (who is presumably motivated to preserve this political position) so naively assume himself equipped to control all the unpredictable variables he so carelessly put in place.
[You know what? I actually agree with Norman here; these are very desirable qualities in a subordinate placed in a position of this nature – so long as the boss is able to manipulate the manipulator. So let's check below and see if he's up to the task...]
[How embarrassing... Poor Normie. He had no idea who Moonstone really was, so none of this possibly could be his fault.(Moron...)]
Moonstone clearly seems to be the biggest threat to Osborn's command, but she's not the only problem on his hands. At least four times in the book, Osborn makes it known how much he dislikes the idea of heroes being on his team, and much prefers heartless brutes. So his endorsement of Songbird – who, in his own words, cannot be trusted due to her unexpected, "terrible attacks of morality" – is totally perplexing, even in spite of her extended Thunderbolts history and toyetic appeal. And on top of that, he signs up guilt-ridden physical/emotional masochist Penance and gracious, Songbird-loyalist Radioactive Man – both of whom demonstrate "good guy" qualities Osborn ought to despise. Logical inconsistencies aside, however, this makeup provides some extremely promising avenues for intrateam conflict in future arcs, and pretty much every central character here has a complex, and strongly-defined persona. Most intriguing is the leadership rivalry between Moonstone and Songbird, since they're both willing and able to stir up some serious trouble in order to get their way.
Honestly, I don't recall ever running into a well-written team-based book that succeeded without establishing chemistry between team members. What we have here are independent parties/factions with their own personal goals, and the comic doesn't allow enough time to explore the pursuit of these goals, or to develop something even resembling team rapport. For one thing, Ellis spends too much time engaging in uninspired political commentary about registration, and blandly playing up the commercial aspect of superhero existence. Sounds like something Mark Millar (i.e. author of Civil War ) would be proud of – since that sounds more like his kind of thing – and it almost reads like he himself wrote it! (FYI. Millar sucks.) The second problem is that the story spends way too much time (over 25 pages) separately focusing on peripheral characters which aren't half as interesting as the main cast. Yeah, their stories are intertwined and do end up directly affecting the Thunderbolts, but the setup wasn't particularly clever, and their personal struggles are less than compelling.
Nearly two months ago now, I read Ultimate Six , and I recall seeing pretty much the same opening scene there as I saw here; the heavy use of shadow, minimal lighting effects, and close-up face shots during a prisoner interview appeared to try and create a similarly ominous atmosphere early in each book. Ultimate Six's Trevor Hairsine and Deodato Jr. are evidently both artists who debuted in the mid-'90s, but somehow Deodato looks like an amateur when compared against Hairsine. Last time I had to suffer through his work was for my previous read – Civil War: Punisher War Journal – and it was even worse. Between the two of them, I'm sure Deodato Jr. is the bigger name in the world of comic pencillers, but I can't imagine why; they're both stylistically-similar illustrators, and Hairsine proved himself talented enough to become one of Marvel's "Young Guns". Deodato Jr., on the other hand, is almost a complete waste of time.
There must have been something here that really impressed me the first time I read it (since I gave it 4.5 stars), but I can barely identify what it was. The quality of writing is far enough below Ellis' usual standard that it leads me to believe he wasn't all that committed to the project, and/or was occupied with something far more pressing at the time. It's really very lazy stuff for him, and I'm not inspired to go through the next volume for a second time. Perhaps the biggest disappointment here for me was Osborn's portrayal; I remember him as a lot more cunning and frightening, and would have previously cited this among his strongest ever portrayals in comic books. In reality, however, he was just arrogant, thoughtless, and sorely unprepared to exploit the power that had been granted to him. How the hell he got to be IGN's 13th Greatest Comic Book Villain of All Time is beyond me...
Book Info: This collection contains Thunderbolts issues #110-115.
ABSOLUTE RATING: {3/5 stars} (Rounded [...])
STANDARDIZED RATING: <3/5 stars>
As per the request of S.H.I.E.L.D. director Tony Stark, Norman Osborn has been named the newly-appointed head of the Thunderbolts strike force. Like his team of involuntarily reformed supercriminals, Osborn too is an ex-villain (i.e. the arch-nemesis of Spider-Man) working before the public eye to redeem his notorious image. Following the recent departure of field team leader Baron Zemo, Osborn assigns Moonstone to this position, and includes Venom, Penance, and Bullseye as new additions to work alongside veteran members Songbird and Radioactive Man. But with Osborn's medication progressively failing to inhibit his psychotic breaks, it seems questionable how long the team's warring egos can work together to maintain the public's favor, and Thunderbolts Mountain slowly begins to look more and more like a pressure cooker just waiting to explode...
I'm hoping that my intro paragraph was enough to indicate how poorly implemented an idea the Thunderbolts are on so many levels. As director of S.H.I.E.L.D., most (if not all) the major structuring of this team must have been either conducted or authorized by Tony Stark – a man we know to be a brilliant futurist and control freak who has a deep appreciation for the delicate political climate surrounding the Civil War. It's an unpopular sentiment, I know, but I think there's a good enough rationale behind Tony's use of the Thunderbolts during the Civil War, which, as he put it in The Confession , helped to "win [it] quickly," and prevent a lot of needless collateral damage. Ellis obviously understands that there would be a lot of readers still very skeptical about this decision, so he devotes much of the first issue to really drive in the fact that these criminals are on a tight leash, and can be easily incapacitated if they were to step out of line. So to some degree, Tony seems to have thought this thing out, and by now we should expect nothing less from him.
The problem here comes when you consider the appointment of Norman Osborn as team supervisor, as well as how much freedom he's given to select his own subordinates and conduct operations with extremely minimal oversight. Conceivably, years of medication and therapy could have done a good enough job of suppressing his more noticeable symptoms, but it should have appeared highly dubious that he'd genuinely changed his colors, or that his narcissism and cold ambition wouldn't ultimately derail the whole endeavor. That alone is a huge risk, so it's impossible to understand how such a man would then be given the space to slip-up as many times as he does in this book, or for word of Osborn's startling regression not to reach the ears of Tony Stark ASAP. Though it's ridiculous to think Tony could be so negligent, it's nearly just as crazy to see Osborn (who is presumably motivated to preserve this political position) so naively assume himself equipped to control all the unpredictable variables he so carelessly put in place.
[You know what? I actually agree with Norman here; these are very desirable qualities in a subordinate placed in a position of this nature – so long as the boss is able to manipulate the manipulator. So let's check below and see if he's up to the task...]
[How embarrassing... Poor Normie. He had no idea who Moonstone really was, so none of this possibly could be his fault.
Moonstone clearly seems to be the biggest threat to Osborn's command, but she's not the only problem on his hands. At least four times in the book, Osborn makes it known how much he dislikes the idea of heroes being on his team, and much prefers heartless brutes. So his endorsement of Songbird – who, in his own words, cannot be trusted due to her unexpected, "terrible attacks of morality" – is totally perplexing, even in spite of her extended Thunderbolts history and toyetic appeal. And on top of that, he signs up guilt-ridden physical/emotional masochist Penance and gracious, Songbird-loyalist Radioactive Man – both of whom demonstrate "good guy" qualities Osborn ought to despise. Logical inconsistencies aside, however, this makeup provides some extremely promising avenues for intrateam conflict in future arcs, and pretty much every central character here has a complex, and strongly-defined persona. Most intriguing is the leadership rivalry between Moonstone and Songbird, since they're both willing and able to stir up some serious trouble in order to get their way.
Honestly, I don't recall ever running into a well-written team-based book that succeeded without establishing chemistry between team members. What we have here are independent parties/factions with their own personal goals, and the comic doesn't allow enough time to explore the pursuit of these goals, or to develop something even resembling team rapport. For one thing, Ellis spends too much time engaging in uninspired political commentary about registration, and blandly playing up the commercial aspect of superhero existence. Sounds like something Mark Millar (i.e. author of Civil War ) would be proud of – since that sounds more like his kind of thing – and it almost reads like he himself wrote it! (FYI. Millar sucks.) The second problem is that the story spends way too much time (over 25 pages) separately focusing on peripheral characters which aren't half as interesting as the main cast. Yeah, their stories are intertwined and do end up directly affecting the Thunderbolts, but the setup wasn't particularly clever, and their personal struggles are less than compelling.
Nearly two months ago now, I read Ultimate Six , and I recall seeing pretty much the same opening scene there as I saw here; the heavy use of shadow, minimal lighting effects, and close-up face shots during a prisoner interview appeared to try and create a similarly ominous atmosphere early in each book. Ultimate Six's Trevor Hairsine and Deodato Jr. are evidently both artists who debuted in the mid-'90s, but somehow Deodato looks like an amateur when compared against Hairsine. Last time I had to suffer through his work was for my previous read – Civil War: Punisher War Journal – and it was even worse. Between the two of them, I'm sure Deodato Jr. is the bigger name in the world of comic pencillers, but I can't imagine why; they're both stylistically-similar illustrators, and Hairsine proved himself talented enough to become one of Marvel's "Young Guns". Deodato Jr., on the other hand, is almost a complete waste of time.
There must have been something here that really impressed me the first time I read it (since I gave it 4.5 stars), but I can barely identify what it was. The quality of writing is far enough below Ellis' usual standard that it leads me to believe he wasn't all that committed to the project, and/or was occupied with something far more pressing at the time. It's really very lazy stuff for him, and I'm not inspired to go through the next volume for a second time. Perhaps the biggest disappointment here for me was Osborn's portrayal; I remember him as a lot more cunning and frightening, and would have previously cited this among his strongest ever portrayals in comic books. In reality, however, he was just arrogant, thoughtless, and sorely unprepared to exploit the power that had been granted to him. How the hell he got to be IGN's 13th Greatest Comic Book Villain of All Time is beyond me...
June 18, 2021
ellis completely turned the thunderbolts around after a series of weak volumes with little character development and uninspired storylines. this new team is just great. they’re a mess. all of them are on different sides and have different agendas. they have no idea how to make this team work and some of them don’t even care about making it work. they’re on this team not because they want to, but because they have to. THAT’S the thunderbolts i want to see. a messy team with a long list of problems.
the mood of this is a whole lot darker than any of the previous thunderbolts comics, and it does get a little Too edgy at times but overall i think the grittiness works well. it’s a nice change, i think.
and for the first time since the very first thunderbolts roster, every single character on this team interests me. robbie is one of the most dark and haunted characters i’ve seen in a while. after civil war, he is a Disaster and is carrying around a hell of a lot of baggage. if his penance character arc doesn’t get fucked up somewhere down the road (although i’ve heard that it does), i think it could very well end up being one of my favorite marvel character arcs ever. songbird is my wife and i love her. swordsman really has not had a lot of character development BUT he’s hot so i’ll let it slide. bullseye is batshit crazy and ruthless but his position as a secret member of the thunderbolts and the team’s “safety net”, as osborn calls him, is really intriguing. and also seeing american eagle beating the shit out of him was very satisfying. moonstone is so goddamn irritating but she brings so much to the table and her constant manipulation of everyone makes the dynamics of the team more complex and intense. norman osborn is also extremely irritating but i cannot deny how well written he is in this. i don’t know much abt mac gargan venom but i really loved that scene of him in the locker room talking about what it’s like to live with the venom symbiote and i’m excited to see more of him. chen lu is cool and i like him and songbird together but my god does the one chinese superhero have to be a smart radioactive dude whose whole personality is hating america 😭
the mood of this is a whole lot darker than any of the previous thunderbolts comics, and it does get a little Too edgy at times but overall i think the grittiness works well. it’s a nice change, i think.
and for the first time since the very first thunderbolts roster, every single character on this team interests me. robbie is one of the most dark and haunted characters i’ve seen in a while. after civil war, he is a Disaster and is carrying around a hell of a lot of baggage. if his penance character arc doesn’t get fucked up somewhere down the road (although i’ve heard that it does), i think it could very well end up being one of my favorite marvel character arcs ever. songbird is my wife and i love her. swordsman really has not had a lot of character development BUT he’s hot so i’ll let it slide. bullseye is batshit crazy and ruthless but his position as a secret member of the thunderbolts and the team’s “safety net”, as osborn calls him, is really intriguing. and also seeing american eagle beating the shit out of him was very satisfying. moonstone is so goddamn irritating but she brings so much to the table and her constant manipulation of everyone makes the dynamics of the team more complex and intense. norman osborn is also extremely irritating but i cannot deny how well written he is in this. i don’t know much abt mac gargan venom but i really loved that scene of him in the locker room talking about what it’s like to live with the venom symbiote and i’m excited to see more of him. chen lu is cool and i like him and songbird together but my god does the one chinese superhero have to be a smart radioactive dude whose whole personality is hating america 😭
This entire review has been hidden because of spoilers.
March 19, 2022
A diferencia de lo que dicen algunas otras reseñas, no creo que todos los villanos de los Thunderbolts sean de segunda o tercera línea. Si bien es verdad que, como en todas las series del estilo, hay personajes poco conocidos o que solo tienen relevancia en dicha serie, también hay auténticos pesos pesados como Venom o Bullseye.
Personalmente me encantó la incorporación de Penitencia, su personaje si bien al principio parece medio colgado, luego toma una relevancia asombrosa. También la lucha de poderes entre los otros miembros y los conflictos de intereses me pareció que aportó mucho a la dinámica de grupo que se buscaba conseguir.
Tampoco sus contrincantes me parecen fuera de lugar, Jake Flag por ejemplo es un personaje muy asociado con el Capitán América, lo cual fue algo muy recurrente durante todo el trayecto de Civil War que se recuperara a estos personajes un tanto olvidados. Ocurrió con Patriot, Jack Monroe (Nomad), Falcon, El Soldado de Invierno e incluso Clint volvió de entre los muertos.
Aclarado un poco el tema de los personajes, tengo que decir que no soy un gran fan de Ellis. Es verdad que no leí tanto de él como debería, pero lo poco que leí no me pareció la gran cosa. Sin embargo en esta ocasión logró la dosis justa de intriga política, acción superheroíca y conflictos interpersonales para atrapar al lector. ¡Todo esto acompañado por los fantásticos dibujos de Mike Deodato!
Obviamente esto solo es un aperitivo que nos ponen en los labios para atraernos a la serie. Se nos presenta a los personajes, sus conflictos y se nos muestran unas puntas que serán posteriormente desarrolladas, pero aún así su planteo y realización es un gran acierto para sumar al Universo Marvel en general y al contexto de la Civil War en particular.
Una lectura muy recomendable y placentera.
Personalmente me encantó la incorporación de Penitencia, su personaje si bien al principio parece medio colgado, luego toma una relevancia asombrosa. También la lucha de poderes entre los otros miembros y los conflictos de intereses me pareció que aportó mucho a la dinámica de grupo que se buscaba conseguir.
Tampoco sus contrincantes me parecen fuera de lugar, Jake Flag por ejemplo es un personaje muy asociado con el Capitán América, lo cual fue algo muy recurrente durante todo el trayecto de Civil War que se recuperara a estos personajes un tanto olvidados. Ocurrió con Patriot, Jack Monroe (Nomad), Falcon, El Soldado de Invierno e incluso Clint volvió de entre los muertos.
Aclarado un poco el tema de los personajes, tengo que decir que no soy un gran fan de Ellis. Es verdad que no leí tanto de él como debería, pero lo poco que leí no me pareció la gran cosa. Sin embargo en esta ocasión logró la dosis justa de intriga política, acción superheroíca y conflictos interpersonales para atrapar al lector. ¡Todo esto acompañado por los fantásticos dibujos de Mike Deodato!
Obviamente esto solo es un aperitivo que nos ponen en los labios para atraernos a la serie. Se nos presenta a los personajes, sus conflictos y se nos muestran unas puntas que serán posteriormente desarrolladas, pero aún así su planteo y realización es un gran acierto para sumar al Universo Marvel en general y al contexto de la Civil War en particular.
Una lectura muy recomendable y placentera.
August 16, 2018
Durch den Civil War in die Parteilichkeit gezwungen, gewinnen die Superhelden-Geschichten deutlich an Tiefe, so auch die Thunderbolts als außer Kontrolle geratente Polizeigewalt mit Superkräften. Ellis ist gewohnt bissig, seine Charaktere leben die Spannung zwischen alten Thunderbolts (Songbird und Radioactive Man) und neuen Verbrechern (Bullseye, Venom, Swordsman), während sie von der psychopathischen Psychologin Moonstone und Norman Osborn angeführt werden. Ein Setting, das sehr viel verspricht und hier noch nicht alles einlöst. Deodatos Bilder sind teilweise grandios, schaffen es aber oftmals nicht die Charaktere in den richtigen Posen zu zeigen, so wirkt besonders Moonstone häufiger wie ein in der Mitte angeknackstes Supermodel. Außerdem kennt seine Mimik zu oft nur die Extreme und lässt seine Charaktere dadurch unnötig affektiert wirken.
Trotzdem ein ganz starkes Buch!
Trotzdem ein ganz starkes Buch!
February 3, 2024
Die Auseinandersetzung mit der inneren Zerrissenheit der "ehemaligen" Schurken wird teils beeindruckend dargestellt, inbesondere dann, wenn Norman Osborn die Jagd auf "Steel Spider" plant und ständig "Spider-Man" als Ziel seiner Begierde nennt. Das macht Lust auf mehr.
Künstlerisch und handwerklich ist der Band ebenfalls auf einem ordentlichen Level, insbesondere der redaktionelle Teil mit vielen Infos zu den beteiligten Künstlern und der Entstehungsgeschichte der "Thunderbolts" überzeugt erneut.
Künstlerisch und handwerklich ist der Band ebenfalls auf einem ordentlichen Level, insbesondere der redaktionelle Teil mit vielen Infos zu den beteiligten Künstlern und der Entstehungsgeschichte der "Thunderbolts" überzeugt erneut.
December 20, 2017
Pretty good, in a “I can’t wait for this to pass” sorta way. I mean that as a compliment, believe it or not. I do not however like how they treated the basic idea of the T-bolts in this series. They take a crap on the idea that anyone can actually redeem themselves and change which is a tone the Thunderbolts lost for a while thanks to Osborn.
March 15, 2018
At the first 2 issues I was thinking "What is this?!" but by the end it was so sinister and I was so terrified for the actual heroes I couldn't stop reading. Warren Ellis has created something so dark and different here and Mike Deodato Jr's art is absolutely exceptional in executing it! Just his art alone bumps my score up to 5 stars.
March 2, 2019
Puff, me encantó este, enorme sorpresa. No había leído nada de los Thunderbolts antes, pero me fascinó la idea de un equipo de villanos "reconvertidos" en superhéroes que luchan contra los superhéroes no registrados (Civil War resultó un muy buen contexto para desarrollar esto). El guion de Ellis es genial y los dibujos de Deodato también.
Guion: 9
Dibujo: 9
Guion: 9
Dibujo: 9
November 10, 2020
Mi conocimiento de los thundrrbolts es casi nulo. No sé si es por eso que esto me pareció un embole. Ellis es un genio y le tenía mucha fe a este cómic porque lo tenía a el cómo guionista. Pero la verdad no me gustó nada.
El dibujo sin embargo me pareció muy bueno y no tengo mucho más para decir de esto
El dibujo sin embargo me pareció muy bueno y no tengo mucho más para decir de esto
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