“There cannot be equality in the capitalist regime, not even equality of opportunity, of course; that there cannot be fraternity while there is class exploitation, and that true liberty is a concrete and not an abstract notion.”
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In CONVERSATIONS WITH ALLENDE: SOCIALISM IN CHILE, French philosopher and journalist Régis Debray and Chilean president Salvador Allende dissect the latter’s ascension to power, the forces that allowed such thing to happen, and the prospects (and challenges) of socialism in the new world.
This is no academic paper but a literal transcription of an interview with Allende, a Marxist who led Chile’s Socialist Party and was eventually elected as president in 1970. The victory, rooted from a campaign of radical proportions, cemented Chile’s place in Latin America in the history of anti-imperialist movements.
The format of this “book” works because it became easy to follow the conversation that encompassed several topics – from Allende’s roots as a medical student, his friendships with several key revolutionary figures like Che Guevarra, his party’s unprecedented effort to embrace two ideologies in a bid to gather as much force, to the future of socialism in Chile. For people who may not be knowledgeable of Chile’s history, or about Allende himself, pouring over these in another format (let’s say the typical non-fiction book) might be a daunting task. But reading the back and forth between Allende and Debray just felt like I was listening to a podcast.
Reading the conversation made me feel like I was invited into a secret gathering. I emerged from the conversation a whole lot more familiar with not just how Allende thinks but Debray’s views on things that Chile holds dear. It was nice to see them sort-of bicker over the ways questions were formulated, or how Allende would try to turn the table and confront Debray about his perception of his own ideas. There was a part where Debray challenged Allende about his belief on what it would take to make socialism the norm, and also why going through the “traditional” route of election and government involvement was something that he did.
I guess one reason also why I find it amusing – aside from actually being educational – is that it has been rare in my side of the world to see leaders speak as coherently as Allende, not to mention how easy it was for him to make complex things sound so simple. Perhaps it’s a sign of a man who really knows his stuff – to be able to explain the admittedly confusing concepts of socialism in a way that drives more personal points. He just reminded me again why he’s my third favorite Chilean, next to former president/UN rights chief Michelle Bachelet and my friend Pato. Haha!
Reading Allende’s thoughts made me a little bit forget that he’s dead (according to reports, he died by suicide during a coup d'état) only after being president for less than three years. Or that he was sabotaged by imperialists he fought against all his life. Or that power was seized from him by Augusto Pinochet, a military man who would become the Chilean leader in power. Pinochet’s rule that lasted from 1973 to 1990 led to massive human rights abuses and violence.
Sounds familiar, right, Philippines?
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