It’s been said, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink." If there is no thirst, the horse will not drink. The same is true for atheists. If there is no thirst for God, there will be no search for truth. Comfort assures us, however, that something more than the evidence of creation must spur the atheist to head for the truth. In this informative and enlightening book, Pastor Ray Comfort, author of the million-selling The Atheist Test, talks to the atheists and reveals not just the weakness of their arguments but the solid foundation upon which the Christian stands. Few books take the time to address the atheist's conscience. You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence not only gives empirical evidence for the existence of God, it shows atheists that they desperately need His forgiveness. Based on conversations Comfort has had with atheists on his blog, this book is an effective approach to questions about the existence of God. Comfort answers questions such This entire stream of conversations between angry, “fundamentalist” atheists and Ray Comfort is witty, intelligent, and thought-provoking. Comfort responds with grace and boldness to each argument, proving without a doubt the existence of a Creator. (Ray Comfort)
Ray is the Founder and CEO of Living Waters and the best–selling author of more than 80 books, including, Hell's Best Kept Secret, Scientific Facts in the Bible, and The Evidence Bible. He co–hosts (with actor Kirk Cameron) the award–winning television program "The Way of the Master," seen in 200 countries. He is also the Executive Producer on the movies "Audacity," "180," "Evolution vs. God," and others, which have been seen by millions. He and his wife, Sue, live in Bellflower, California, where they have three grown children.
At this point, It should be clear that Comfort knows nothing about evolution nor has he researched any of the thousands of transitional fossils that have been categorized. But what is really important is that Mr. Comfort does not want to know.
You can lead etc. etc. etc. was recommended to me as a book of Christian apologetics and, as such, may be the worst book of its kind. It is full of fallacious facts, quote mining, and really bad logic. In fact there are only a few simple arguments Comfort makes and he repeats them over and over again.
1. Evolution is illogical and the only logical answer is that God is the Creator. Here's an example of Comfort's wonderful logical skills...
"God's word tells me he created man in his own image, morally cognizant, and as male and female. To believe in a theory that says otherwise is to call God a liar"
Right. The bible is God's word. And God wouldn't lie. so it must be true. Circular logic, anyone?
2) If you lied, stole, or cheated even once you are a liar, thief and a cheat. Personally I prefer St. Augustine's distinction between lying, a human frailty, and a liar, someone who is committed to lying. But Comfort's book is loaded with black-and-white thinking. If I had to choose between St. Augustine and St. Comfort, I'll take Augustine every time.
3) And here's the one that really gets my goat. Atheists know there is a God. They just want to sin. Even worse, anyone who changes from Christianity to an Atheist line of thought was a false convert and not really a Christian to begin with. This is insulting to those of us who struggled with this issue in our youth and honestly attempted to find some sort of truth and logic.
I could go on but here's my drift. I recently read a book titled On Bullshit. In it the author defined bullshit as not caring about the truth and treating it as irrelevant. I do not believe Comfort is lying. He sincerely believes what he write. However he has no interest in examining the truth and would happily ridicule and ignore any fact in order to bolster his own deceptions. In this sense, Ray Comfort earns the honor as the poster boy of Bullshit.
To anyone with a brain, it is clear how deprived of intellect Comfort is. My pity is reserved for the fools who are so weak as to be believe this drivel.
It's also full of outright lies and quote mining. Obviously, he can't tell the difference between the Einsteinian God and the religious God.
Ray Comfort certainly knows how to get attention. Unfortunately, to any person knowledgeable about science, or about religion, or knowledgeable at all for that matter, it comes for all the wrong reasons. Not only does this book demonstrate a thorough incompetence about science, history, archaeology, and mythology (or about any academic subject for that matter), the flitting fragments that are discussed are severely misrepresented and misunderstood.
The author is on a crusade against facts – facts that do not fit with his literal interpretation of Genesis. Throughout the book, misguided questions are asked and then answered in a very simplistic manner. Well, forget what you have heard about there being “no stupid questions.” There are, and contained herein are some fine examples. His questions and objections to biology show a complete lack of any grasp of the subject at hand. I can remember hearing about algebra in the third grade. Some of my classmates then indignantly protested “But you can’t add letters!” The questions in this book demonstrate a similar lack of comprehension.
Elementary fallacies also pervade the book. In one section presented as an example of dialogue, the author presents a false dichotomy wherein the only possible choices are evolution or a literal Genesis. Perhaps unbeknownst to the author and editors of the book, not everyone is ignorant on the subject of mythology. To anyone who knows even a little about the subject, the question immediately comes up: “Well…why then not the Egyptian or Greek accounts of creation? Why not any other mythological account?” The reason is that an honest presentation of the issue casts serious doubt on taking Genesis as anything other than mythic literature.
This book continues the ignominious tradition of crank literature authors and pseudoscience peddlers everywhere. It doesn’t even make a nominally coherent case - the structure is actually just a mishmash of scatterbrained bilge.
After reading "You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, but You Can't Make Him Think", I now understand why modern-day atheists go after Ray Comfort and his Way of the Master ministry so fervently. With humility, and all the while acknowledging he is also a sinner, Comfort reaches out to atheists and explains the lack of common sense he sees behind their views. And admittedly, Comfort is trying to get under their skin in order to force them to think.
"You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, but You Can't Make Him Think" is a compilation of questions and answers from Comfort's Atheist Central blog, along with additional comments from the author. The book also includes quotes from Professor Stephen Hawking, author C. S. Lewis, Sir Issac Newton, and several Biblical quotations.
Tackling such issues as: Creation Must Have a Creator, The Promise of Heaven and Eternal Life and What Sets Christianity and Christians Apart, the author uses Biblical evidence and the lack of reliable evidence proving the theory of evolution, to engage the reader in a thought-provoking journey that leads to only one conclusion--God exists and He wants to have a relationship with you.
Some of Comfort's arguments are redundant; but I believe that has more to do with the similiar questions posed to him by the readers of his blog, than because the author uses a script to engage atheists in conversation.
What this book truly hits home for the objective reader is that atheists often miss the mark on what Comfort is trying to say to them. He is concerned for their souls. Knowing God and what it is like to be in a relationship with Him, and also knowing about the gift of Eternal Life and the existence of hell, the author is trying to get atheists to understand that being a Christian isn't about holding a different set of beliefs. It's about knowing God and being in a relationship with Him. While Comfort chooses to do this in a humorous and at times mildly sarcastic way, that does not negate his evidence.
If you are a Christian looking for ways to discuss the message of Salvation with non-believers or if you are skeptical about the existence of God and that Jesus Christ died for your sins, you need to read Ray Comfort's "You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, but You Can't Make Him Think".
I am currently only two chapters into the book, and I am already surprised at his lack of scientific knowledge. With or without a God, what he is saying makes little to no sense. He knocks down theories he knows nothing about. I petty him and those who choose his ignorant path. Even believing in God, one must look into other religions and scientific theories, especially when one is knocking down what scientists believe to be evidence. If he cannot be bothered to look farther into the world of science (i.e. evolution, the big bang, etc.), then he cannot expect somewhat intellectual human beings to take his book even remotely serious.
I have yet to finish the book though, and I do sincerely hope that he leaves his prejudiced, black/white opinions and begin to act and write like a respectable human being, instead of a prejudiced fundamentalist who never bothered looking into anything but his own belief.
EDIT: 2/10 -11
Nothing has changed from my previous post. I still stand by that. He only got more laughable as the book wore on.
Insulting title, generic commentary on some low-level atheistic argumentatiom that doesn't address real, legitimate criticism of the creationist agenda.
Avoid it, avoid it's arguments, avoid anything by Comfort.
This book is so mind-blowingly stupid that any attempt to criticise it would fail. Ray Comfort is the most simplistic, condescending and unbelievably stupid Christian wandering the earth. He is similar to one of those oblivious people one often finds at parties: has no grasp of logic or irony, doesn't get the joke and keeps talking long after everyone has given up listening and/or caring what they have to say. I'm a Christian, yet reading this made me want to covert to any other religion or become an atheist, for the sole reason of not wanting ANY association with Comfort, no matter how distant. Comfort writes "Atheism is intellectual suicide", however, I suggest that there is a far worse fate for the intellect: reading anything and agreeing with Ray Comfort. It's like your intellect is suffering from leprosy, slowly degenerating and rotting away.
"It requires intelligence to create purposeful design. That's just common sense." ~ pg. 27
Many books about God declare that there is scientific proof that God exists. So instantly I was intrigued because I talk to a lot of atheists.
What I found was a lot of logical arguments and proof that God does in fact exist. Ray Comfort addresses subjects like evolution so if you are interested in that there is a lot to consider. There is also a chapter on alleged mistakes in the Bible and a chapter on common objections to Christianity.
So this book will definitely interest atheists and Christians and even agnostics. This book kept my full attention and it is the type of book I'd highly recommend to my friends read.
...despite what Comfort, Cameron, Eric Hovind and their ilk will try to tell you. Modern life is indeed complex, but it need not always be that way. Recent experiments have shown that abiogenesis (life from non-living materials) is possible. And despite what you may believe or have been innocently indoctrinated to believe in Sunday school and/or what passes as biology "teachers" in recent years, given the Bush administration's tax cuts (we have rational, science-minded people to thank for keeping biased, right-wing, totalitarian creationist literature out of states outside Texas).
Now on to Ray's "explanations" as to why an all-loving, all-powerful and all-knowing god would allow any suffering (let alone the surfeit of misery experienced every day by sentient beings).
The Problem of Evil is an insurmountable one for Christians (and all other theists who believe in a perfectly loving, all-powerful and all-knowing god). There have been intense and motivated efforts over the past two millennia to defend such a position rationally, and they have all failed. Miserably. Utterly. And in many cases, dishonestly.
Some approached involve invoking an unknown "greater good" defense (which throws god's omnipotence under the bus. An omnipotent deity could simply actualise a desired goal without needing to use suffering as a "middle man"). Attempts to shift the problem by asserting that human happiness is not the goal of life (but knowing god is) removes the omnibenevolence and omnipotence of god (if you love someone, you don't want them to suffer. It really is that simple).
Here, Comfort takes the old canard of free will. Unfortunately, free will is meaningless unless everyone has an equal amount of it. This is undeniably NOT the case. Not everyone is given the same lifespan, physical strength, mental acuity, political clout, financial resources, and so on. Comfort is pontificating from the luxurious confines of his residence, funded by conveniently gullible sheep. This has certainly damaged his ability to empathise with the billions who live on less than a dollar each day. And the thousands who starve to death every time the Earth completes a full rotation.
Comfort also, perhaps unwittingly, advocates a social Darwinism in which the rich and physically powerful are able to murder, rape and steal from weaker individuals (and are therefore less able to exercise their own free will to prevent their own suffering). Comfort, by his own admission, worships a cosmic pedophile who revels in granting freedom to abhorrent individuals while getting his jollies from seeing the most vulnerable suffer and die in agony (only to get thrown into even more torture in the Christian vision of hell).
Lastly, a loving god would take away free will from those who would willingly surrender it in return for a life without suffering. Funnily enough, Comfort seems to believe in a heaven without suffering but with all the bells and whistles of freedom. So why not create that universe from the get-go and stick with it? Why create a universe with even the possibility of corruption? It certainly is not something a perfect god would do. Then again, a perfect god would not blackmail beings he supposedly loves for eternal worship.
Eternalism doesn't work as a dodge. If a god has perfect foreknowledge, then he's still responsible. And as we experience a coherent, cohesive set of events, I don't see how eternalism could be true.
NONE of the theodicies thus far created hold any water. Why? Because an omnipotent deity does not need to use evil to achieve greater goods.
Any such being could achieve the desired outcome from the get-go, no suffering required.
Comfort engages in numerous logical fallacies. He commits special pleading to let his god off the hook. He clearly does not hold his god to the same moral standard as his god supposedly holds humans to. An all-powerful, all-knowing being who did nothing while billions starved to death is just as guilty as someone who caused such deeds personally. Might does not make right.
Painting god as a loving father who "suffers with" us is almost as bad. Such a god doesn't do a thing to alleviate suffering.
As for miracles, well, all miraculous claims have already failed the test of empirical studies and analysis. Take the famous Templeton Prayer Study (2006), which empirically tested 1800 heart patients split into three groups.
(1. Patients who were told people would pray for them)
(2. Patients who were not told people would pray for them, but people did pray for them)
(3. Patients who were not told anything, and nobody prayed for them)
The patients who knew they were being prayed for ended up with the most post-surgery complications (likely due to expectation bias).
I always enjoy Ray Comfort books and videos. Ray has a simple and informative way to explain the absolute existence of God, which everyone who has the least doubt of God's existence should read.
Ray Comfort sigue siendo un enigma para mí. El problema es el siguiente: ¿como este señor no se da cuenta de su estupidez?. Porque Ray Comfort es una de las personas mas ignorantes que he escuchado y leído en mi vida. En los debates con ateos no debate, le predica a los asistentes y a los que están escuchando el debate. No responde a los argumentos, comienza a atacar a su contrincante diciéndole que no es una buena persona. Simplemente no tiene argumentos, y nisiquiera se digna a escuchar la pregunta que le hace la otra persona.
Esta es una de las idioteces que publica en su facebook
Cuando se le pregunta por sus razones para creer en Dios y en Jesucristo, el simplemente responde que todo está escrito en la biblia, y cuando se le pregunta de porqué cree en la biblia, este apologista responde con un: "¡Porque Jesús lo dijo!".
Este libro es una respuesta a los mails escritos por ateos que le llegan a diario. Las respuestas son tan ilogicas y estúpidas, que llegan a dar risa. De hecho, en un par de ocasiones tuve que dejar de leerlo para soltar un par de carcajadas.
La ignorancia de Comfort es impresionante, y peor aun, está orgulloso de ella. Esta orgulloso de tener fe ciega (valga la redundancia), de no cuestionar nada.
Siempre me pasa esto cuando leo libros de apologética gringa: los leo porque quiero reírme de algo, pero termino frustrandome por la ignorancia de los escritores.
Si valoran su tiempo y su capacidad de razonar, no lean este libro por ningún motivo.
BASIC SYNOPSIS This book is in the form of a Q&A. The questions are apparently taken directly from comments on the authors religious blog.
MY THOUGHTS The title alone indicates that this book is going to be insulting, and I felt it was. It looks like the author has spent too much time debating with militant atheists, and it has left him with the need to be 'right' over the need to love his neighbour. This book is supposed to be a defense of Christianity, but is really just abrasive towards those who believe in the theory of evolution.
THE POPULAR APOLOGIST ANSWERS QUESTIONS RECEIVED FROM ATHEISTS AND SKEPTICS
Author Ray Comfort wrote in the Introduction to this 2009 book, “To be an atheist is to play Russian roulette with all barrels loaded… The issue isn’t the existence of God… The real gamble is that there’s no hell… Yet atheism isn’t a mind game; it is intellectual suicide. We know that there are six bullets that aim right into the brain of humanity: 1. CREATION: Could you believe that the book you are holding came into being without an author?... You cannot have order without intelligence creating order. And there cannot be an ordered creation without an intelligent Creator. 2. THE GOD-GIVEN CONSCIENCE: All sane people have a conscience… Where did the conscience come from ? Why do all civilizations have the knowledge that it’s wrong to lie, kill, steal, etc.?... 3. THE UNCHANGING TESTIMONY OF HOLY SCRIPTURE: Do what they will to the testimony of Scripture… it remains the unchanging Word of the Living God… 4. THE TRUE AND FATIHFUL TESTIMONY OF THE GENUINE CHRISTIAN: … The atheist chooses not to believe the testimony of the Christian, and in doing so, accuses him of bearing false witness. But why would a Christian lie?... 5. THE WITNESS OF JESUS CHRIST: … Any honest skeptic will have no choice but to come to the conclusion that ‘never a man spoke like this Man.’… 6. THE SPIRIT OF ALMIGHTY GOD: … will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing… So, if you are an atheist, let me reason with you. You cannot win.” (Pg. xv-xvii)
He replies to a question, “do I struggle with doubt? Never. I would NEVER for a moment doubt the existence of God because of the evidence of creation. I would never doubt the reality of God because… He transformed my life…. I trust His integrity implicitly… So you never doubt God. Trust Him … even when trust seems impossible. Those are the times when faith comes in…” (Pg. 3)
He asserts (incorrectly, as Hawking’s later writings demonstrate), “Stephen Hawking isn’t a fool. He believes in God. Look at what he said about Him [in ‘A Brief History of Time’]: ‘It would be very difficult to explain why the universe should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who intended to create beings like us.’” (Pg. 8)
He explains, “I don’t spend too much time trying to convince anyone that there is a God. To do so is a waste of time and energy. Sinners don’t need convincing that God exists; they need convincing that SIN exists that that they are in terrible danger… That’s what sent me to the Cross for mercy and that’s what sinners need to hear.” (Pg. 9)
He says about Galileo, “Please study your history. It was the Roman Catholic Church (not the Christian Church) that arrested Galileo… Catholics are steeped in tradition, and Christians adhere only to the Bible. And the Catholic Church didn’t get their information ‘from the Bible’ (it was a banned book)… The Christian Church therefore should not be blamed for his imprisonment. It was the Roman Catholic Church that persecuted Galileo.” (Pg. 12)
He acknowledges, “I have no idea how old the Earth is, but I’m not alone in this. Science can’t make up its mind either. Just over one hundred years ago scientists thought that the Earth was about 100 million years old. Soon after, they changed their minds and came to the confident belief that the correct number was 500 million years. Then they changed their minds again and the figure jumped to 1.3 billion years… Of course, now they think that it may be 4.55 billion years old, give or take a billion years.” (Pg. 13)
Of the proposed transitional form Tiktaalik, he states, “We will go to the experts at Berkeley. In an article published back in May of 2006… [it states] ‘Tiktaalik is technically fish, complete with scales and gills---but it has the flattened head of a crocodile and unusual fins.’ … Big deal. This has nothing at all to do with the theory of evolution or species-to-species transitional forms. It’s a fish, and God has created thousands of other fish with strange heads.” (Pg. 22-23)
He notes, “Let’s take Joe Average. He is polite, hospitable, genuine, congenial, amiable, and trustworthy. He is a remarkably good person---by human standards. However, when measured by God’s standards, he proves to be a liar, a thief, a blasphemer, and an adulterer at heart. He has violated God’s Law, and is therefore a lawbreaker. These sins… are extremely serious charges in the sight of a morally perfect God…. Under His Law, they demand the death sentence.” (Pg. 38)
He states, “As much as I would like to be, I am not a prophecy expert or even a prophecy buff. I don’t get too deeply into it, because so many people end up with weird and strange scenarios, and what’s more than all think that they have it right. I prefer to put my time into trying to reach people like you with the Gospel. Your salvation is infinitely more important to me than my eschatological interpretation.” (Pg. 61)
He advises, “no one should seek to become a Christian to have their problems fixed. The reason all should come to Christ is to be saved from sin---not from a problem or a lifestyle they seek to change. This is the problem with the erroneous message of the modern church. It promises what it can’t deliver… Many of the skeptics who frequent my site had that experience, and that’s why they are so bitter. I don’t blame them. They heard a false gospel, had a false conversion, and justifiably feel duped---which they were.” (Pg. 71)
He points out, “I believe the Bible is God’s Word… But my salvation isn’t dependent upon that fact, because I wasn’t converted by the Bible. I was converted by the power of God, and when I picked up a Bible it simply explained what had happened to me… If you believe that our foundation for the faith is the written Scriptures rather than the person of Jesus Christ, I have some questions for you. When did Christianity begin? Was it on the day of Pentecost… or did it have to wait until the New Testament was compiled in AD 200?” (Pg. 83)
This book will be of keen interest to those studying Apologetics.
Ray Comfort is one of my favorite people and his writings always help me understand how to answer those who are not Christians. He gives great answers that show the fallacies in the skeptic's arguments. A good read.
Jesus stated that happy people would be conscious of their spiritual need at Matthew chapter 5, verse 3. Comfort's book is designed (intelligently?) to get atheists to try and fill that need. The book is comprised of questions posted on Comfort's blog by atheists and answers given by Comfort.
Comfort tries to answer the "big questions" that people grapple with: is there any evidence for the existence of God? If God is in control, then why is there suffering and death? Is there evidence for an afterlife? What is the purpose for humanity's existence? The problem is, he doesn't completely answer all these questions. His answers continually come around to the same point: believe in Jesus, dedicate yourself to him, and thus avoid going to hell.
Here's an apt description of the questioners from the book's cover: "The staunch atheists Ray encounters on his blog often have the zeal of religious fanatics." Yeah, that actually sounds about right, considering the atheists I've encountered online. "They are often unreasonable, angry, and bitter toward God, and color their speech with blasphemy against his name, despite professing that God doesn't exist." Talk about missing the point! "They don't see the illogic in professing hatred for something that doesn't exist." And here I thought atheists were supposed to understand logic better than believers; at least that's what the atheists I've met online have told me.
While I applaud the effort, this book was quite poorly written and offered rather lackluster defenses. I believe more could be done and done more effectively to confront the illogical nature of the atheist belief.
Ray had some good points in this book, but I also feel like he did not sufficiently coonter many of the arguements presented by the atheists, so I found that disappointing.