Spoillleeeers🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁
my rating is based on how much I enjoyed this part....which was next to zero
I am only giving it 2 stars cause I don't think the level of imagination that went into this book deserves a one star, though I tend towards it
For me, this was Season 8 of Game of Thrones
Remember the hype we had all seasons for the Night King, only to be shattered by the tomboy Arya?
Remember the Grand character arc we all had for Daenerys, only to be so disappointed?'
Remember how we were waiting patiently for the Epic retribution Cerci deserved, only for her to die in the arms of her lover?
Yeah, Oathbringer was my season 8 GoT.
Everyone was hyping up that Grand Big Reveal...Talking about the SANDERLANCHE
But I was "That's it! Well Duh!"....how no one saw that one beats me.
My issue with Oathbringer ...aside from it being DAMN TOO LONG for no other reason than the author's supposedly thinking "Bigger is Better" and for a male author "size does matter"... are two things actually:
1- Sanderson broke his 2nd and 3rd laws of magic.
Sanderson’s Second Law goes like this: Limitations > Powers
It did not apply here. Being a Radiant, you are practically immune to death. You can heal yourself and others instantly. You can fly. You can jump realms. You can defy physics. So, where are the limitations?
The third law is as follows: Expand what you already have before you add something new.
But did Sanderson do that? He kept adding and adding new magic, new systems, new infos, new powers, new reveals...and the old ones just....kept fading into the background
2- The theme of "Change and personal growth" was pushed so hard it was nauseating to me, especially when reading Dalinar - a character beloved by almost all of Sanderson's fans- was, to me, an obvious villain, or at least a deeply morally compromised figure. I never truly saw his atonement for his past or changes in a meaningful way. He did not redeem himself. He simply had a "Oh my god, what have I done" moment, lamented himself internally, then screamed "you cannot have my pain" to Odium, and I am supposed to clap for him!!!!!
Let's examine the evidence shall we
1. Dalinar’s Past as the Blackthorn: A Willing Monster
Dalinar’s youth (that was stretched to his mid thirties) was defined by unchecked brutality. He was not just a warrior but a genocidal warlord who relished violence. He burned a whole kingdom with women, children, sick, elderly and innocent men because their king refused to bend the knee to his dictator brother and show gratitude for Dalinar sparing his life when he was 6 after MURDERING his father in cold blood.
Dalinar enjoyed violence. He admits to Gavilar that he doesn’t fight for ideals, rather he fights because he likes killing!!!!. This is not someone forced into war; this is a man who embraces atrocity.
But Sue, he is a reformed man! he is trying to be good!
in the words of Scrooge "Bah humbug"!
A true redemption arc requires genuine remorse and reparations, but Dalinar’s "change" is largely due to the supernatural influence of the Nightwatcher erasing his memories, not a moral awakening.
His "reform" begins only after his memories of Evi’s death are taken. This isn’t growth, it’s magical suppression of guilt. When his memories return, he nearly breaks, suggesting his "honor" was a facade built on avoidance.
Even as a "better" man, Dalinar demands absolute loyalty, suppresses dissent , and pushes for a militarized Alethkar under his rule. His "unity" is conquest by another name.
He is a hypocrite. He judges others, like Amaram, harshly while excusing his own past. In Oathbringer, he expects forgiveness for the Rift but refuses to acknowledge that his victims (like the survivors of his massacres) might never forgive him.
But Sue, "sometimes a hypocrite is a man in the process of changing"...again ..."Bah Humbag"!
Even in his "redeemed" state, Dalinar’s decisions lead to suffering. In WoK, his early visions of "unite them" led him arrogantly to think that it is about the high princes!!! how noble of him!!!
He diminishes the work of ardents in talk of war even when faced with the reality that knowledge in this case is mightier than the sword!
in The Battle of Thaylen Field, he risks the world by trusting Odium’s champion (Taravangian) and nearly dooms humanity. His arrogance, believing he alone can unite the world, mirrors his past warmongering.
He uses Kaladin and the former bridgemen as tools, never fully addressing the systemic oppression they endured under his family’s rule (The Way of Kings).
He forces his rigid Alethi codes onto others (e.g., the Azish) under the guise of "unity," ignoring their autonomy, and thus dismisses other cultures. A redeemed man would prioritize healing over control. Dalinar still imposes his will on others, just with less overt bloodshed.
But what truly aggravated me was the fact that "He Never Truly Faces Justice". Dalinar’s arc lacks true accountability. There were no Consequences for the atrocities he committed. Unlike Moash (who is vilified for similar actions), Dalinar faces no lasting punishment. The narrative frames him as a tragic hero rather than a war criminal.
Oathbringer, instead of being a confession leading to justice, it became a propaganda tool to cement his authority. He spins his atrocities into a lesson about his pain, not his victims reminding me of White Man's tears.
Not only that, He was rewarded over and over again. The fact that the Stormfather, a force of Honor, accepts him undermines the idea that Dalinar’s past was truly evil. The system rewards him despite his crimes.
His sons are radiants, his daughter-in-law is a powerful radiant, his cousin is a radiant, possibly more, and his guard is a radiant.
he is given shardblades left and right! why?????
True redemption requires restitution, not just self-forgiveness. Dalinar gets power, not penance.
Now here is my BIG PROBLEM.
Sanderson said many times that his books reflect real life.
What Sanderson is preaching is "no matter what horrible act you commit, especially towards others, you are forgiven if you truly regret those actions!!!!!!!" what utter bullshit!!!!!!!!!
Let us say that Hitler or Netanyahu or let's take it down a notch, Jeffrey Dahmer, would be allowed a new life, a peaceful life, simply because they acknowledged what they did was wrong and they regretted it??????????? no retribution? no consequences???
Some would say that he was under THRILL influence. I would have accepted that if Thrill was controlled by Odium, but No! Thrill is an independent entity that..just...exists. how much it influences you, depends on You. Thrill thrived in Dalinar vecause he wanted it.
As a fictional character in a book, I think Dalinar is a masterpiece. He is a lovable villain; however, looking at Dalinar as a person, he is horrible. seeing people defending him is horrible.
I hope he faces a horrible sacrificial death in upcoming books cause he deserves nothing but.
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my thoughts while reading
67%: here is my final thought about Dalinar before completing the book and "the BIG reveal" everyone keeps telling me to wait for
the only 2 ways I feel his redemption could happen are if:
1- he was being controlled body and mind by an evil entity. and in this case I am very curious to see how would he break off this control. but also, this would render him an "uninteresting" individual
2- he willingly did all those horrible things and in this case the only redemption i see is he dying a gruesome death sacrificing himself for others
Drehy: "Hey, Renarin is learning how to read! that is Feminine!!"
Kaladin: "Drehy, you are literally fucking a man"
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"You are not what I expected, Blackthorn,” Noura said.
“And what did you expect?”
“An animal,” she said frankly. “A half-man creature of war and blood.”
and waking up one day and saying "well, i should stop being an animal and for that all my sins should be forgotten." will never make me like you Dalinar
hope you die
What??????? he murdered his own WIFE!!!!!! And he is supposed to be redeemed??????? what the fuck!!!!
and there are people who like Dalinar!!!!!!!!!
I mean as character his arc is brilliant. he is a villain. a hypocrite. an animal. an egotistical bloodthirsty Genocidal maniac.
how can anyone be redeemed from THAT!!!???????????????
Dalinar nodded slowly. “They must bleed,” he whispered. “I want them to suffer for this. Men, women, children. They must know the punishment for broken oaths. Immediately.”
“An envoy is leaving the city. Flying the flag of truce.”
“Shoot them dead,” Dalinar said calmly.
“Sir?” “Arrows, woman,” Dalinar said. “Kill anyone who comes out of the city, and leave their bodies to rot.”
“Because,” Dalinar said. “There has to be someone in this kingdom capable of doing what needs to be done, and it can’t be the man sitting on the throne. Continue to hold the scribes back; it will be better if my brother can reasonably disavow what we’re about to do.”
ladies and gentelmen, Dalinar Netanyahu