Who's the real focus of an interview? The subject, who presumably has something interesting to say to the world? The interviewer, with their mission of drawing that out? What about the audience, the true reason for the interview taking place, who's expecting entertainment, connection, and insight? When it's done right, all three get a chance to shine. Neil Strauss, of The Game fame, went through some of his unpublished notes and transcripts for his interviews from his stints as a journalist and here presents some of the unpublished excerpts that "do justice to reality". He's edited 228 of them into a few well-connected streams of discourse, ranging from mildly interesting, to fascinating, to just plain odd, so this is definitely recommended for anyone who's interested in celebrity interviews, Neil Strauss' career, or what fame means to you.
Strauss was able to interview a lot of famous people, as you would expect for a journalist working for prestige publications like The New York Times and Rolling Stone. Most but not all are musicians. In general you only get interviewed if you're a hot commodity, but the subjects are all over the place - some are at pivotal moments in their careers (Snoop Dogg having just quit Death Row, Pink Floyd about to tour their last real studio album), others are are at various ebbs (seemingly every blues musician has just gotten out of prison), some are very cooperative (Lady Gaga, Chuck Berry), others need some kind of help (Brian Wilson with his wife Melinda), and some are just plain weird (Julian Casablancas from The Strokes, Dave Pirner from Soul Asylum, or Jonathan Davis from Korn). I can't imagine a reader who wouldn't be interested in at least some of these interviews, even artists that they normally wouldn't have a high opinion of.
Neil Strauss himself is a good interviewer, in addition to being an interesting guy. Obviously it's The Game that's made him famous, and I'm not sure many people would pick this up if someone else wrote it (this book was released in 2011, 6 years after The Game, and contains material from as far back as the 90s), but he seems to have a real talent for getting his subjects to say interesting things. He's very modest and self-deprecating about his own interviewing skills, and indeed sometimes it does seem like his M.O. is to flail around until the subject takes pity on him and gives him good material, but you can see where the guy who wrote The Game came from, as in the scene when he charms Britney Spears into giving him a decent interview with basic pickup techniques. While it's funny to see the members of Led Zeppelin talk all over him (he points out that interviewing a band all together is a rookie mistake since they'll just banter with each other), in most of the interviews he's able to lean back and get his subjects to open up in interesting ways.
And so as an audience member, I found myself very pleased. Strauss is great at making me feel like I'm the third guy in the room, asking many questions that I would have liked to, and some that I would never have thought of. For example, a few times he asks a stock question like "would you still make music if no one ever heard it?" This seems abstract, but what it translates to is "what is your relationship to your fans?", so it's interesting to hear how differently artists like PJ Harvey and Lady Gaga answer it, and think about what their answers say about their art. Strauss does profile a few genuine outsider artists, but for the most part these are people who are in some way looking for my approval, who are trying to speak to me. I read interviews because I'm always looking for something "more" from artists I like, but the questions of why artists put themselves out there and how they embody something I wish I could myself are endlessly fascinating. Even to hear some like Trent Reznor pour his heart out about his unhappiness and loneliness is revealing, to me.
After dozens and dozens of interviews (annoyingly, the Index is not sorted alphabetically but by cutesy "themes" and caricatures, so good luck flipping back and forth trying to find someone specific), Strauss closes with a very sad memoriam dedicated to Paul Nelson, a legendary critic and editor whose personal issues eventually led to a quiet death alone in his apartment, undiscovered for several days. As a meditation on how a lifetime of achievement and the admiration of your peers relates to dying alone, it will resonate most strongly with those who worry about their own legacy and how their work fits in to What It All Means, and so the book ends with 11 lessons drawn from the interviews. That some of them contradict each other is of course cosmically appropriate for the un-summarizable complexity of life:
- Let go of the past.
- Fame won't make you feel any better about yourself.
- The secret to happiness is balance.
- Fix your issues now, because the older you get the worse they become.
- Derive some self-esteem from within, not from others' opinions.
- Say yes to new things.
- Live in truth.
- Never say never.
- Trust your negativity.
- Be happy with what you have.
- Everyone loves you when you're dead.