A fun and entertaining foray into Ancient Greek mythology through the lens of some of Marvel’s most popular characters—including Iron Man, Black Widow, and Wolverine—and an investigation into why classical stories continue to resonate with modern audiences.
Since its inception, Marvel has created—in comics and on the silver screen—a vast, intricate universe brimming with superheroes and superhumans. Yet Marvel exists in a much larger mythological tradition, one that dates back to the Ancient Greeks and their tales of gods and heroes.
Professor of Classics Peter Meineck traces Marvel’s lineage back to its earliest roots at the dawn of human culture. Using Marvel’s most beloved heroes (and antiheroes), such as Spider-Man and Deadpool, Meineck demonstrates how ancient themes continue to appear in our stories today and reintroduces characters like Achilles and Odysseus from Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey. He shows the connection between Black Panther and the legend of Atlantis and reveals that disabled heroes like Daredevil have existed since the days of Hercules. What do Scarlet Witch and the sorceress Medea have in common? As grieving mothers outcast from society, quite a lot, actually.
Through it all, Meineck explores why these stories endure and remain so relevant today. He examines how the legends have shifted to reflect society’s changing values and warns of the perils of misinterpreting such stories. Most importantly, he asks the million-dollar What do our modern myths say about us?
Tony Stark, Odysseus, and the Myths Behind Marvel is a rollicking journey from legends of old to the pop-culture stories of today.
Peter Meineck (b. 1967) is Professor of Classics in the Modern World at New York University. He is also the founder and humanities program director of Aquila Theatre and has held appointments at Princeton University and University of South Carolina.
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I absolutely love how this book compares each Marvel character to various Greek gods and heroes. I really think this would be the best way to teach mythology. Not necessarily to Marvel, but find some way to compare it to make those stories stick in the minds of children. The only reason I remember anything is because they were referenced in books, tv show, or movies.
Actually, I was thinking that this would actually make for a great college class. It would be extremely interesting and give parents and guardians another reason to complain about wasting their money.
So I am someone who read A LOT of Greek retelling and a lot of books about Greek mythology and I was intrigued by the idea of comparing the marvel hero’s to those of the Greek time.
You can tell this author is passionate about Greek Mythology. I could sense the excitement in his writing as he compared Hephaestus to Iron Man. And he made a lot of good comparisons and did a good job of explaining different myths and their relevance
Where to me this faltered was it was kind of all over the place and the author sort of relied heavily that they reader had a basic knowledge of Greek and Egyptian mythology. But the way this book appears from the cover it would appeal more towards Marvel fans who might not have that knowledge. Also the author went on a lot of tangents that sort of distracted from the main point of each chapter.
So I did enjoy this book because it was a different take on talking about Greek mythology. I gave it a three because I’m not sure I would recommend it to someone unless I know they liked Greek Mythology or had a good understanding of that world first. This isn’t a book for everyone
This is a book I would love to listen to his series in person with visual aids but as a book this was a little hard to follow
Thank you net galley for an advance review of this book
This could’ve easily been a TED Talk on how myths can be found in pop culture even today, but Meineck takes it a step further: he finds direct parallels between heroes in Greek & Roman myths and Marcel characters as well key ideas and themes. Meineck is clearly very knowledgeable and passionate about classics and Marvel, and it made the reading all the more interesting.
Thank you to Peter Meineck and William Morrow for an advanced copy in exchange for an honest review.
Ever since humanity first existed, there has always been mythology. Stories passed down from culture to culture, parent to child, all to explain how things occurred. Among these creation stories are great heroes, and in this book, Peter Meineck sets out to explain how Marvel’s heroes are a modern mythology retelling.
For example, did you know that Captain America has great similarities to Greece’s Achilles and Ancient Mesopotamia’s Gilgamesh? Neither did I, until I picked up Tony Stark, Odysseus, And The Myths Behind Marvel. Each chapter is a fascinating dive into a specific Marvel character and how they correlate to a hero from tales past, and it’s so interesting!
Or, how Black Widow has similarities to Clyemnestra, Arachne, Japanese Yokai, and female spider characters in Indigenous mythology, as well as fierce warriors like The Amazons?
This book also touches on real life people, places, and weapons that could have inspired the myths we read about today.
As someone who has always been interested in Mythology and Superheroes as well, this book was right up my alley. It really made me think about how we’re telling the same stories over and over again. The same fairytales, the same heroes, the same outcomes. Just like how in Hadestown Hermes says “Cause here’s the thing, to know how it ends, and still begin to sing again, as if it might turn out this time,” we are constantly rewriting the endings to things.
Thank you to William Morrow & Netgalley for the e-arc, and check this book out on Feb 17 if you also like mythology and superheroes!
the “it’s not that deep!” crowd will hate this (complimentary) but while i’m intrigued by the topic, the writing just isn’t grabbing me. i might give this one another try later.
My thanks to NetGalley and William Morrow for an advance copy of this book that looks at the influence the classic myths, thousands years of age, retold in millions of way, on the comic books and comic book movies of today, stories of heroes, villains, demons and gods, brought to life in in art and on screen.
Comic books were the gateway to a lifetime of reading for me. In those stapled pages I was introduced to science fiction, fantasy, crime, true crime, the power of art, and well the power of the written word. My introduction to myth was probably The Mighty Thor and his heroic friends and family from Asgard. Thor along with his Greek friend Hercules might have been from the past, but they spoke in a vague Shakespearean lilt, belonged to the Avengers, and fought as heroes against classic and modern villains. Reading Edith Hamilton Mythology, a book still on summer reading lists, unless banned, I was drawn by how much I knew from my comics reading. I understood the influence on the creators of comics, and now on the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but never really grasped the how much of what we know about heroes was written so far in the past. Stories told by firelight to explain the world, all in 32 pages in color, or on the IMAX screen. Tony Stark, Odysseus, and the Myths Behind Marvel: Ancient Heroes in the Modern World by Peter Meineck, Professor of Classics in the Modern World at New York University, uses his experience to take a ancient look at modern myth making, showing how the stories of the past were adapted to tell the stories of heroes today, with the same fallacies, and fears, along with their heroic acts and actions.
The book begins with the author seeing Marvel movies in the theater with his children and how the stories being presented drew on the classic stories that Meineck knew so well. Not familiar with comics, Meineck began to investigate Marvel stories, seeing the moves, watching the streaming shows and going back to the early days of Marvel and reading the stories. Soon Meineck began to talk to those in Marvel, both writers of comics and movies, advising the studios and creating a class for Meineck's university that drew on the past and Marvel today. Meineck looks at the most popular of characters from the movies. Black Widow, Tony Stark, Black Panther, Captain America and looks to the past to explain there actions. The myth of Gilgamesh with his companion, great acts of valor, loss come up quite a bit. The myth of Hephaestus, the mad tinker of the Greek gods, and how Tony Stark's origins and even his playboy attitude are based on the outcast god. Meineck compares and contrasts many characters and creatures of myth, exploring both ancient tales and modern stories and films.
A book that was so much more than I expected. I really thought this was going to be a cursory look at mythology and its influence on comics, but this is so much more. Meineck does a really excellent job of researching the characters from Marvel, and the characters who created the stories from Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Joe Simon and others. Meineck has a very good writing style and never acts as some writers do that they are writing about a lesser form. Meineck takes both the comics and the myths seriously, and loads each page with fascinating stories and other ideas. As a long time comic reader I had to stop numerous times and go, oh yeah I forgot about that, or oh wow that's pretty cool. I love having that happen.
A book perfect for comic and film lovers, and of course fans of mythology. Meineck's book serves as a fine introduction to people wanting to learn about the pantheon of the Avengers and of the mighty myths of the past. Really well done, and endlessly interesting.
Thank you to NetGalley, William Morrow publishers and the author, Peter Meineck for the Advanced Reader's Copy in exchange for a honest review. The following are my own thoughts.
I LOVE Greek mythology. When I was younger, I thought there was one official way a myth was told and any deviations from that was just unacceptable. So, Homer was acceptable, but the Aeneid was messing with what was right. I thought this about fairytales as well. As I aged, I saw how wrong I was. I can now read most versions of myths or fairytales, even modern retellings without gnashing my teeth at the "liberties taken". (Some modern retellings are still not great, but some are!)
Like many people, I enjoyed the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). In the early days, I just went along for the ride, not liking Tony Stark in the first Ironman movie - then coming to like him a great deal, loving Captain America and Thor, having fun with the Guardians of the Galaxy, loving Wanda, Natasha and Carol Danvers. And despite my love of Greek mythology, I never stopped to see the similarities or the places where the MCU owed to mythology. How is that even possible? I just went along for the ride, with even thinking about it. He goes into way more. Black Panther? Loved it. And what he said? Of COURSE. Again, why didn't I see it?
Peter Meineck's book as made me think I need to go back through the movies and start all over again watching with new eyes. Do I see Medea in Wanda? Is Tony Stark Hephaestus? Of course he is, why didn't I see it? Is Natasha and Amazon? I don't want to spoil this book for anyone, because much of the pleasure is watching the author make an observation and then support it. And it is very fun to read that. So Heracles? (I just can't say Hercules...) Is he... I can't even type it. And the author didn't go there much, but I had to.
One of the places that I think Mr. Meineck misses the boat is with his understanding of Christianity. Especially his statement that it owes a lot to the Eleusinian mysteries. I know he's got a degree in this and I don't, but I've been a Christian for over 30 years, so have put a lot of time in reading the Bible, theology and listening to experts. He's just wrong on this account. Christianity owes to Judaism. It's very different. Plus, if the Eleusinian mysteries where mysteries, despite the little we know of them, we don't really know enough for him make the statement he does. I think here the difference is greater than apples and oranges.
All in all, this is a very enjoyable read. I wish it was longer. Any one who loves Greek myths and the MCU MUST read this book. And boy do I wish I could take his classes.
I wish he'd now write a book on the DC universe. I grew up on DC and not Marvel, so I'd grab that one pretty fast.
I think the book title might be better swapped around. "The Myths of Western Civilization and Marvel", perhaps? Not that that's inherently a bad thing. In fact, it was quite entertaining to read. But I'd also make it more clear we are mainly interested in the movies rather than the comics, though there is a good smattering of bringing them up for comparison to the movies.
As chapter 4 says, getting into the comics is a slog. We've had so many reboots and offshoots that if you're not focusing on maybe one character you're going to get lost. One of my favorites is Wolverine but even the movies can't decide what they want to do with him and there's always been a joke about how Wolverine always manages to show up in every other storyline even if it doesn't have a real reason for him to be there.
I would however take a few things in the book with a grain of salt. We don't know that these various myths actually truly gave rise to various Marvel stories and characters. And in fact the Avengers themselves were inspired by a group of Jews during the Holocaust and the Warsaw Ghetto Rebellion. (Which also brings to mind that yes, Magneto needs to always be a Holocaust survivor otherwise he is not truly Magneto. And I have a grudge against the decisions about the Maximoff twins in the MCU.)
The choice of focusing on the Wolverine: Origin line of comics is... interesting. The plural version of the word aka "Origins" is a better origin story for Wolverine, although "Origin" is not a terrible starting point for Wolverine. But that's the problem with Marvel rearing its head again: there are many origin stories, so which one will you decide is the one for you to build from? (I'd also argue against Wolverine being characterized as the bravest of the Marvel characters but that's a whole essay. Same with cold/indifferent.) I also feel that using the term 'lycanthropy' consistently would have been less unwieldy than 'werewolfism'.
Beyond that, this seems to be a man who really wants to write about the Yamnaya, if that makes sense.
As someone with both a love of Marvel and a grounding in the Greek/Roman/Nordic pagan religions, it was definitely an entertaining little book and introduced me to a few experts and terminology I didn't know about.
Thank you to William Morrow and NetGalley for the review copy.
When a scholar of the Classics crafts an entertaining look at how mythology, history and psychology can be viewed through lens of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), the author deserves a round of applause.
Similar to when an movie audience waits till the very last credits to roll, the reader will want to dive into this book till the very last chapter. First, there's the history that the author shares not just from Ancient Roman Greco times but from cultures beyond Western European eyes. Too often, contributions by Eastern, Asian and African cultures are dismissed and disregarded. Not so in this book, the author painstakingly (in a good way!) introduces the reader to how these cultures influence beloved MCU characters. Secondly, the author pays tribute to the MCU creators who were innovators of their time creating characters with physical disabilities and human frailties. Finally, this book will perhaps prod the fervent MCU to perhaps expand their reading and delve into the Classics (a genre that is often ignored beyond required reading for school).
This ARC was provided by the publisher, William Morrow, via NetGalley in exchange for an honest review.
Tony Stark, Odysseus, and the Myths Behind Marvel takes the reader on a journey through many myths of antiquity, viewed through the lenses of our favorite characters from the Marvel cinematic and comic universes. As a lover of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and long-time reader of mythology in all its forms, I was immediately drawn to this book, just from the title! I especially enjoyed the way myths from a variety of places, not just ancient Greece and Rome, were intertwined and explored to give the reader even more insight into the nuanced and complex heroes we look up to today. I think there is room for improvement in the organization of the content in each chapter. It felt a little unfocused at times, or like I was struggling to find the thesis of the chapter. I feel the ideal reader does not have to be an expert in mythology at the outset, but they should have some knowledge of the Marvel Cinematic Universe to fully appreciate this book. I would recommend this book to any Marvel enthusiast who has a passing interest in mythology, or at least an interest in how their favorite characters might have evolved from heroes of long ago.
**Thank you to William Morrow for providing this book for review consideration via NetGalley. All opinions are my own.**
Thank you to NetGalley and William Morrow for an advanced copy of the book. All thoughts and opinions are my own
I won't lie, as a prolific Marvel fanfic writer (no, I will never divulge exactly what my username was, but I came highly recommended) and a historian of entertainment, this is the type of book that is directly up my alley. In this book, Peter Meineck argues that Marvel — both the comics and the overall MCU — is a source of American mythology, and this American mythology pulls themes from Greek, Roman, and Norse mythology with which we are already familiar. His sources and through-lines are well-researched and understandable. As far as informative books written by academics, this one was easily readable, and I was able to finish it within a few days, whereas my thesis research often took me a week or more per book. As the debate between the DCEU and the MCU continues, Meineck offers a new approach to this conversation and one worth paying attention to
4/5. I just wish I could have used this in my historiography while I was writing my thesis
This book of overviewing myths and how they relate to our stories and modern movies today. It also does a great job of breaking down parts of the marvel universe and the use of those greek myths in them keeping it alive today. The subjects in this book remind me of the powerful author and educator of myth through time, mr. Joseph Campbell. That author also explains how ancient myths are used in modern day film and stories and even religions.
I found the book interesting but there were tiny bits talked about i did not neccesarily agree to be true at times and that is okay. I have seen the myths show in the marvel movies as well as throughout the arts and other movies. This was an interesting overview and i think those who enjoy marvel as well as those into myths orgins etc....will love this.
The author was not a great Marvel fan, but he knew his myths. Watching Avengers with his daughters, he realized how these ancient stories have imbued the newer ones and, in this book, he shares all that knowledge. This is so much fun, so informative and entertaining that his classes must be a blast. The writing is vivid and, by translating ancient ideas into modern pop culture, you learn without even realizing it. The author’s enthusiasm is palpable throughout the chapters and shows how much our current culture is influenced by the Greeks and the Romans. He also explores Nordic, Chinese and Hindu myths, as well as other ancient lore, and the Monotheist religions. A fun way to learn history and philosophy. I chose to read this book and all opinions in this review are my own and completely unbiased. Thank you, NetGalley/William Morrow.
In an engaging and joyful book, the author unpacks the human need for myth in both the ancient world and our own. The book opens with an incredible chapter that describes Jack Kirby muscling up the courage to invent Captain America, and to draw him punching Hitler in the face at a time when much of America was still in thrall to either isolationism or fascism. I have not picked up a comic book since I was twelve, and tend to avoid 'comic book movies.' But reading this book I suddenly remembered thrill of being a gangly kid, flipping through comics for hours, and searching for heroes. This book helps us understand why people turn to myth to look for heroes, and gives us tools for unpacking what the popularity of certain myths says about our society. A surprising and wonderful read.
I thought this book was a really interesting take on Marvel and the connection between their heroes, and the heroes of Greek mythology! I grew up reading epic tales of heroes and monsters found in Greek mythology books. I’ve loved those stories and held them very close to my heart, so it’s no surprise that I grew up to be a huge Marvel fan. It was so interesting to follow along with the connections between the themes of these ancient stories, and how they correlate with tales of the heroes of today.
Thank you to NetGalley and the author for the ARC!
The idea of comparing Marvel superheroes with ancient myths is a fascinating idea for a book and I thoroughly enjoyed it!
As a kid I would spend weeks in the library reading everything I could find on different culture’s mythologies so I feel like this book was made for me (especially with the Marvel tie-in) and I definitely plan on buying a physical copy as a book trophy!