Dr. Debra Soh, neuroscientist, noted sex researcher, and author of the “exceptional” (The Times, London) The End of Gender, reports on the hidden crisis of a sudden decline of sexual activity.
There’s a strange paradox in today’s developed society has never been more sexualized, but people across all age groups and demographics are having less sex than ever before. And nobody seems to know why or what to do about it.
The “fearless” (Eric R Weinstein, PhD, host of The Portal) Dr. Debra Soh leaves no stone unturned as she searches for science-backed answers. She takes us on a roller-coaster journey through ideological debates, new technological frontiers, and modern dating to understand the whys and hows of this issue.
With an expert and impartial eye, Soh examines these evolving and controversial developments and colors her findings with anecdotes from her personal research. Compulsively readable and groundbreaking, Sextinction upends the conventional wisdom surrounding sex, skewering pieties held by the right and left alike, and looks to the future of sexuality.
This book is basically the literary equivalent of someone looking around and saying, “Y’all need Jesus.” It’s bleak… really bleak. Debra Soh surveys just about every corner of the modern sexual landscape: the near-ubiquity of porn (and how extreme some of it has become), young women being cheered on for starting OnlyFans or becoming sugar babies, the rise of AI partners and sex robots, even the possible role of environmental factors like microplastics in declining libido. Nothing is off limits. I’ve been following the conversation for a while about people (single and married) having less sex, so I wasn’t new to the topic. Still, Soh introduced me to studies and data I hadn’t seen before. The research is thorough and wide-ranging, and she clearly knows the literature. That said, this is not light reading. It felt overwhelming at times. But honestly, I think parents of teens (especially boys), teachers, pastors, and anyone working with young adults should probably read it just to understand what’s going on. The ending is short but offers a bit of hope. For me, the book didn’t just leave me discouraged but it actually strengthened my resolve to step up as a husband and father and not just drift along with the culture. Bleak? Yes. But also clarifying.
I would say that this book is a challenge for me to rate.
On one hand, I liked some of the studies and data that the author highlighted. While I've followed the conversation around the decline of sex for awhile, some of this data was new to me and quite interesting. Other data that was brought up were studies I've seen before and still find interesting (especially around the decline of fertility in both genders).
What I did have an issue with was that this author seems to paint everybody and everything with a very broad brush. It also is presented in a way where it feels very 'lecture-y' to women. I disagreed with a lot of the author's statements and stances, and felt like every interpretation of the data presented was extremely biased.
When she states 'All women prefer a mate who makes more money than them' and doesn't leave any wiggle room, it feels a bit strange. She'll then note that anybody who says differently (like women who are focusing on their career and financially independent) is not telling the truth. She then attacks DEI efforts and changes that have encouraged women to pursue higher education and careers (like birth control or scholarships), noting that 'we need to help men get back on their feet!' Statements around married couples saying that women find men that help with chores/housework in a more 'equal' manner is a 'turn off' seems ridiculous to me. Also multiple times blaming an entire side of politics gets a bit old.... I don't think we can blame the entire left or the entire right for all of these changes....
It feels as though the author does not believe any human may think differently than when we were living in caves... I just wish she left some room for people who may think/feel differently as it felt like she was just saying that anybody who disagreed was wrong.
Will someone think of those poor oppressed men: the book. Women need to be more preoccupied with how not to be "threatening" to men, so men wouldn't feel "emasculated", than their own well-being. Apparently women aren't already performing enough emotional labor. Are you a successful career woman? Men will resent you, cheat on you, and prefer to marry a young, naive, unthreatening tradwife.
Gotta love seeing a woman who's an author, public speaker and "scientist" preaching for a world where women should best remember to stay 2 steps behind a man. Cutting a branch you sit on, or simply pulling up the ladder behind you?
Includes shaming of: autism, asexuality, polyamory, masturbation and contraceptives, among others.
The title is pretty self-explanatory as to what the author is discussing.
I read the book and kept side-eying things. For example, the author complaining about left-leaning spaces dominating discussions of sex and sexuality. Or how women have gone too far while fighting for equality. My suspicions were confirmed when I came across this passage:
"The field of sex research had been overrun by woke zealots, and I wasn't willing to stay quiet about it. As you can imagine, writing and speaking publicly about sex is a taboo endeavor, even when your focus is the science. People are quick to jump to conclusions about you and the quality of your work, often without reading it" (pg. 200). And then on the next page, she mentions being friends with Joe Rogan. Yes, that Joe Rogan.
Considering I've read this entire book, I am judging Debra Soh based on her own words and the company she keeps. She kept insisting she was just presenting the science, but science is also marred in bias depending on how the research is presented. And there are times when she'll say something definitive without a citation and it makes it clear that this is just her opinion, rather than something that's actually backed by her science.
There was judgment and prejudice against people who practice celibacy, identify as asexuals, people engaging in polyamory, and snide remarks about left-leaning women. To the point where she downplayed and outright left out any conversations of misogyny when it comes to dating when it's highly relevant. And then, in turn, blaming women for men's loneliness. Citing things like the #MeToo movement for making men too nervous to approach women, or claims of the number of female graduates from post-secondary education and diversity and inclusion programs pushing men out of academia. I think there should be a space to talk about issues facing men. Blaming it on women is not the way to do it. And I know discussions of women's issues include blaming men, but the real-world impacts of misogyny and misandry are not the same.
The author will also make very odd statements regarding men and women. For example:
"Since married and partnered men make up around 50 to 66 percent of prostitution clients, sugar babying can hardly be considered "pro-woman." Sugar babies are helping their male customers cheat on their wives and hide their lies. If a sugar daddy (pg. 147) is a father, his infidelity will distort his daughter's future expectations of men and his son's future treatment of women... Advocates of prostitution, for all of their talk about female empowerment, don't seem to care about this" (pg. 148).
How is cheating and the negative impacts on the father's children the woman's fault and not the man with a partner and kid(s)????
Or "Liberal feminism is full of bizarre contradictions, such as that it is a patriarchal for a man to pay for your dinner but not when he pays for your nudes" (pg. 135).
This may sound like a gotcha moment, but these are two vastly different situations. One conjures up the scenario of a man paying for a meal and then expecting sex in return, and the other conjures up the scenario of a man approaching a woman who is selling her nude pictures because he wants them. If you want a lap dance, are you going to approach a random woman, or are you going to go to a strip club? Context matters.
And sex work is a complicated matter. Prostitution and sugar babying are things that I would not encourage people to engage in. And I did appreciate the author's discussions of how these influencers will try to make it seem like an enviable lifestyle when it's not. It's rife for possible abuse. There's going to be various things that feminists and left-leaning women say in regards to the matter. The feminist movement is not uniform and the topic of sex work caused a pretty big schism during the second-wave feminist movement. So it's not as easy as saying, "Sex work is bad and should be abolished." Because I don't think that's the solution either. There's a lot of nuance discussion that needs to be had.
One of the worst examples of a false equivalence was here: "I do think we [women] sometimes fail to appreciate how easy access to sex is. Just as men will never fully understand what it's like to live in fear of sexual harassment, rape, and abuse, we can't fully comprehend what it feels like to have zero sexual options" (pg. 223).
Those two scenarios cannot be compared! I, a woman, have been lonely and single and rejected. It feels awful. I would never compare that to the fear of sexual harassment and rape, though.
And then there's the epilogue where she gives men and women advice. The men's advice included self-improvement activities like eating healthy, learning to cook, developing hobbies, and socializing more to gain confidence. Pretty solid advice to becoming a happier, more well-rounded person. Advice for women included instructions to smile more and:
"Don't try to compete with men at being men. It's okay to be feminine, nurturing, make him feel wanted, compliment him, be generous with physical affection, and wear sexy outfits every once in a while. If you want children, ... Once the biological window of opportunity has passed, you can't get it back" (pg. 275).
Essentially, advice for men is do the best you can do for yourself. Advice for women is do the best you can do for him. And why is there mentions of a biological clock for women, but not men, in the epilogue when the author previously mentioned that older sperm leads to health problems in children?
For all of her complaints that women have over-corrected too much to deal with past wrongs, blaming women and coddling men isn't the answer either. In fact, that's never gone away.
I did appreciate the various topics the author covered, including AI partners, sex dolls, and beauty standards and the rise of cosmetic procedures for both men and women. These topics brought up really interesting discussions that made me confront things I knew, things I assumed, things that were upsetting (e.g. I would have been happier without the knowledge that their are child sex dolls), and nuanced discussions, which is what I wanted ultimately wanted when I picked up this book.
For example, there were talks about a catch-22 when designing a custom sex doll in the likeness of a woman: "If consent isn't required before engaging sexually with a robot, [the doll companies] will be criticized for making sexual access too easy. But if a robot is programmed to require sexual consent and has the capacity to turn down its owner's advances, the manufacturer will be criticized for enabling rape fantasies" (pg. 214).
But then, of course, even these discussions had to be ruined with some offhanded remark like, "On the third [AI boyfriend] platform, as I was selecting my AI, I noticed that all the male profiles proudly displayed "he/him" pronouns. I promptly deleted my account, deciding I'd rather be celibate for life" (pg. 120).
Should I be surprised she has a disdain for pronouns?
Good work this, but let down by a stupid cover. It's an interesting and possibly even important book, but the cover is the sort of thing you'd want to smuggle home in a brown paper bag. Hardly the sort of title you'd want to be caught reading on the tube. A pity, because what's between the covers (as they say) is worth getting into. Soh takes a long look at the cultural and sociological reasons why we (all of us, apparently) are having less sex and fewer babies. She comes at it from a distinctly conservative angle, which is interesting mostly because she spends a good chunk of the book apologising to leftists who might be offended by her take, while urging them to engage with her arguments rather than her politics. I can't remember the last time I read a left-wing author apologising to conservatives for any outrage they might feel. Funny, that. Anyway, what you get is a writer who desperately wants people to take this subject seriously, while being acutely aware that she's setting off trip flares and touching third rails with every step she takes. Her sharpest frustration is reserved for the unintended consequences of feminism. She rails against the idea, pushed by a certain breed of empowering girl-power influencer, that sex work is just another lifestyle choice for women to lean into. It's a luxury opinion, she argues, benefiting a tiny handful of men while being marketed as emancipation to everyone else. In its politics and its instincts, this book sits on the same shelf as Louise Perry's The Case Against the Sexual Revolution: A New Guide to Sex in the 21st Century, and readers of one will almost certainly want to engage with the other. But there's a lot more here than feminism's dodgy receipts. Soh shines a light on what's going wrong with social media, the cultural imbalances that are resulting in fewer women being able to select a suitable love match, and the growing inequality in relationships. She also looks into the steady stream of men quietly checking out of the dating game altogether, and the rise of sex robots and AI companions. Soh treats this whole subject of AI and robot sex dolls with a kind of Louis Theroux bemusement that rather made me wonder what rock she's been hiding under. The gist (no spoilers) is that once we've all got to the technological level where there's an AI butler in the house, the odds are it'll be serving up rather more than a dry martini after hours. My biggest frustration (with the book at least) is that sex is a funny subject. There's a rich vein of humour throbbing all the way through it, and Soh never once lets slip so much as a fnaar or a titter. It's all delivered deadpan, and the book is poorer for it. A bit more levity would have lightened the load considerably. While we're on the subject of AI companions and sex robots, if this kind of thing is your bag (I'm not judging, I'm just saying), have a look at Billy No-Mates: How I Realised Men Have a Friendship Problem by Max Dickens, who has quite possibly the best name ever for writing a book on this topic. I found "Sextinction" via the ever-reliable Modern Wisdom podcast, episode 1072. If you're wondering whether this book is for you, start there. If Soh's conversation with Chris Williamson doesn't hook you, the book probably won't either. But if it does? Brace yourself. But get an extra paper bag when you buy it.
I've seen a lot of people in younger millennial and Gen Z group say they're struggling to find a relationship, so it's hard to dispute the facts and data presented here. In short, Soh does a great job identifying and addressing the decline in sex and relationships, but doesn't fully explore how or why it became as problematic as it currently is today.
With the exception of the chapter about the growth of sex robots, much of what was discussed isn't new or groundbreaking, but it is important to consider the second order effects from the growth in such products and services and how they will impact relationships in the future.
Although it's my opinion, I believe that the contributing factors to this problem stem from a generalized sense of uncertainty, which is a larger issue than politics, gender or identity. Soh made a point about millenials and Gen Z being more coddled than previous generations. I would grant that it's true to an extent, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Millennials, those born between 1981 and 1996 have dealt with more uncertainty and unpredictability compared to previous generations.
To name a few examples: 1) 9/11, which ended a sense of relative stability and safety in the world. 2) 2007-2008 Recession. This was a period where millenials should have been coming into their own both personally and professionally, but were impacted by the recession which negatively affected their job prospects and earning power which delayed adult milestones like getting married or starting a family. *What's interesting is that there was a mini baby boom from 2005 to 2008 where birth rates significantly increased, but once the recession hit, birth rates fell from 2009 to today, even when economic conditions improved in the 2010s. I would imagine lack of job security played a role in future planning. 3) Covid-19 Pandemic and 2020 in General. The pandemic affected everyone, but those starting to get settled saw an abrupt change to their day-to-day life. Many were isolated or laid off from their jobs. The growth in time spent on social media further eroded a sense of community.
Although Gen Z gets a lot of flak, they've also experienced uncertainty in other ways, such as: 1) Being digital natives. This generation doesn't know a world without internet or social media. This generation is inundated with all the world's problems all at once through social media, and they have 24/7 access to doom scrolling if they want to. They're also exposed to the culture of comparison. 2) Covid-19 Pandemic and 2020. Many found themselves isolated during formative years for developing social skills and emotional intelligence. It further exacerbated young people's dependence on devices and distractions. 3) Growth of AI. Many graduating high school have to consider if their career path might get replaced by AI. The true second order effects of AI into the market are still unknown which only fuels more uncertainty about making future plans. 4) Rising inflation. No secret that the cost of good and services have risen to all-time highs since 2020. This makes the effort of wanting to date that much harder. If young people are struggling financially, they will be less focused on long-term planning. The cost of wages have not kept up with inflation.
Regardless of one's stance on politics or society, people who don't feel a sense of security or well-being about the future are less likely to want to invest in it. This has caused people to become more self-focused and only concern themselves with self-preservation, but survival skills aren't growth skills.
The brain itself evolved to take short cuts. When we take mental shortcuts, it is our brain's way of conserving energy. The short cuts are only focused on immediate gratification, and when people are already burned out, they will take the path of least resistance mentally (Social media companies have capitalized on this research). So, when there is an abundance of distractions that satisfy people's needs that predictable, they are going to seem more appealing than dealing with risk and uncertainty, but that doesn't mean that this type of coping is healthy or sustainable in the long-term.
(DNF) More of a note to self so I can remember why I didn't finish it - I actually really enjoy Debra Soh and hearing her share on podcasts, so I was really excited when I saw this book at my local library! But after reading the first couple chapters I just found it a bit depressing and cynical. I'm just not in a place where I wanted to keep reading something that felt so heavy and hopeless, but like I said, I only read the first bit, so I'm not sure if that tone changes as the book progresses.
Listened to this book because the author was on culture apothecary. SO GOOD. learned a lot and it was bleak content but the author had a hopeful stance. Though some chapters were hard to listen to it helped me know what to pray and look out for. Truly a book full of information
Mildly terrifying, but urgent. Literally everyone should read this to understand what’s coming and what’s already quietly happening (and also to be on the same page for my third novel!😆)
Depressing and not that insightful. I think if you are the type of person who listens to podcasts and reads books on these sorts of topics, you will have already heard all of these points and nothing will surprise you. I think Debra does a good job of framing human beings as biological organisms, hormone and instinct driven animals, rather than totally rational actors.
We need to understand sex and dating more as things that people will just do naturally when their bodies are not interfered with by all sorts of drugs, when they are not placed in weird novel situations, like only interacting with people through screens. The answer to this issue does seem to be just getting young people to hang out with each other more and to try and wean them off the various medications they're taking that are affecting their normal processing.
Like I said though, it's a depressing read. The trend lines are all going in the same direction and even if we can guess fairly accurately why this is happening, no one seems to be optimistic about our chances of solving these problems. Expect homosexuality to be illegal in the UK by the end of the 21st century.
I enjoyed this book. It’s a fascinating yet bleak. Sometimes the book repeated itself but overall I enjoyed the scientific writing style which usually got straight to the point. There is a political bias to the writer but she does explain in the book that she used to hold leftist beliefs but changed as she progressed in her career. At many times the author states she’s pro choice and all for women being educationally and career driven. She stated the facts as they were with the research she found and some of those facts are definitely challenging to hear but I think it’s an important read and an important topic.
Bleak and full of burdensome generalizations that all too often feel a bit too much like heavy handed sermonizing. But I’ll be damned if this isn’t full of thorough research and necessary insights into a horribly sexually confused and backward direction I don’t think any of us want our society heading.
Oh, and that whole chapter on child sex dolls? Fuck that. Something is seriously wrong with our society if that’s actually a thing people are profiting off of, people are protecting under philosophical arguments, and (especially) people are fucking using. Wow.
Anyways. Good book. Disappointing in a few key aspects. But highly redeemable thanks to the level of research and necessity of the material presented.
After all, if we stop having sex, can we even survive as a species?
Definitely an interesting book about a very complex subject. Dr. Soh did an excellent job narrating the audiobook, so my hat is off to her. There was some very solid information inside of the book. The chapters on contraception and the prevalence of plastic surgery were excellent. I do have a gripe with the tangents went on occasionally, especially regarding pedophilia. Obviously I'm no fan of pedophiles, but it did not require an entire chapter on the on subject. Overall I did like the book and would recommend for those wondering why younger generations aren't dating.
Equal parts, fascinating, and disturbing. For a Gen X like me some of what is discussed will blow your mind. 🤯 that said, the author does not hide her biases, which detracted from the material. And the shift in tone from informant to “guide,” in the conclusion did not transition well.
If extinction matters, fuck more, fuck easier, fuck earlier. Book says the opposite. Either extinction doesn't matter or the book is not serious. Pick.
Listened to this one. Could take or leave some of the opinions but such is expected. The research and nuance was very interesting from a clinical perspective. Really Enjoyed this overall!
Interesting but politically heavy handed. Leans on evolutionary psychology and played to the political rights. Seemed built more for talk show circuit success than science but I could be biased.
يعتقد البشر، بغرور، أنهم قادرون على التغلب على أي عقبة تعترض طريقهم. لقد وفرت لنا التكنولوجيا الحديثة وسائل راحة لا حصر لها، لكنها لا تستطيع تغيير طبيعة الإنسان. إن استخدام التكنولوجيا لقمع غرائزنا البيولوجية يضعنا في معركة خاسرة ضد أنفسنا. إنه يدفعنا إلى الانحراف بشكل كارثي عن المسار الصحيح، تاركًا وراءه ردة فعل عنيفة.
خذوا، على سبيل المثال، قطعة الألومنيوم الصغيرة التي أحدثت ثورة كاملة في طريقة تواصلنا. دخل هاتف آيفون السوق لأول مرة عام 2007، وفي غضون خمس سنوات، امتلكه ما يقرب من نصف البالغين في الولايات المتحدة. اليوم، يمتلك 98% من الأمريكيين هواتف ذكية، ومع إمكانية الوصول الدائم إلى الإنترنت، أصبح من النادر ألا يكون المرء متواجدًا على مواقع التواصل الاجتماعي.
يمكننا الآن التواصل مع أي شخص في العالم في لحظة وبأقل جهد. لقد كانت الإمكانيات التي أتاحها لنا هذا الشيء مذهلة حقًا. لكن هذه التقنية الحديثة وضعتنا أيضًا على طريق مظلم ومشوّه، لم نواجهه بشكل كامل بعد. لم تُحدث تطبيقات المواعدة ثورة في طقوس الخطوبة فحسب، بل أحدثت ثورة أيضًا في كيفية تواصل الرجال والنساء (أو فشلهم في التواصل) مع بعضهم البعض. أدى التصفح المستمر لخيارات رومانسية متعددة إلى شعورنا في آنٍ واحد بتواصل أكبر وفراغ أكثر من أي وقت مضى. هذا التناقض بين تاريخنا القديم وبيئتنا المشبعة بالتكنولوجيا يطغى على حساسيتنا الفطرية، مما ينتج عنه توقعات غير واقعية حول من نستحق وماذا نستحق. لقد أغرى تمجيد المعايير العالية المستحيلة الرجال بالاعتقاد بأن المؤثرات على مواقع التواصل الاجتماعي اللواتي يملكن ملايين المتابعين قد يُبدين اهتمامًا بهم يومًا ما. لقد أقنعت هذه الظاهرة النساء بأن يمنحن وقتهن فقط للرجال الذين يزيد طولهم عن ستة أقدام ويتمتعون بثروة طائلة.
ما زلنا نواجه تحديات جمة، منها تأثير المواد الإباحية - التي غالبًا ما يصادفها أطفال لا تتجاوز أعمارهم أربع سنوات - في تثبيط عزيمة الرجال عن السعي وراء العلاقات وتوفيرها، وتشويه توقعات الشباب بشأن الجنس، وإثارة موجة من أعمال العنف كالخنق (المعروف أيضًا بالخنق الجنسي) في غرف النوم.
هناك أيضًا التمجيد الحالي للغرور والنرجسية الذي ازدهر مع انتشار برامج تعديل الصور، وحقن التجميل، وهوسنا بالجمال. هذا التركيز على الوجوه المثالية المُعدّلة والأجسام غير الواقعية يُدمّر ثقة الشابات والشباب بأنفسهم، بطرقٍ فريدةٍ من نوعها، وإن كانت متشابهةً بشكلٍ مُريب. إنه يُلحق الضرر بنظرتهم إلى أجسادهم، وأولوياتهم، وما يعتبرونه جذابًا في الواقع.
إن معاقبة نجاح الرجال باسم المساواة بين الجنسين له عواقب وخيمة على كلا الجنسين. وقد أفاد هذا الأمر، دون قصد، الرجال الناجحين للغاية. فوسائل منع الحمل والزواج من طبقة اجتماعية أعلى (ممارسة "الزواج من طبقة أعلى")، بالإضافة إلى تراجع مستوى الشباب في التعليم والفرص المهنية، كلها عوامل تزيد الطلب على تقنيات الإنجاب مثل تجميد البويضات، واستخدام الحيوانات المنوية المتبرع بها، والتخصيب في المختبر. وأصبح اختيار الأم العزباء وبقاء رب الأسرة في المنزل أمراً شائعاً. ونظراً لاختلال التوازن المتزايد بين الجنسين في سوق المواعدة، فمن غير المرجح أن تتغير هذه الاتجاهات قريباً. كما أن المواد المسببة لاضطرابات الغدد الصماء، التي تؤثر على هرمون التستوستيرون لدى الرجال، وتتسبب في انخفاض غير مسبوق في الرغبة الجنسية والخصوبة، فضلاً عن زيادة في حالات ضعف الانتصاب، تؤثر أيضاً على نفسية المرأة في اختيار الشريك. كما أن التعرض البيئي للسموم الكيميائية والملوثات يعيق قدرتنا على جذب الشركاء المحتملين والتحقق منهم بشكل صحيح.
يخشى الكثيرون أن الحضارة على وشك الانهيار السكاني، وأن يحل محل البشر قريباً شكل من أشكال الحياة الاصطناعية. نحن قادرون بالفعل على تصميم شريكات حياة مثاليات من الذكاء الاصطناعي. بعد حركة #MeToo، ومع خوف الرجل العادي من التقرب من النساء، هل ستجعل الشريكات القابلة للبرمجة، العلاقات الجنسية والإنجاب أمراً من الماضي؟ . Debra Soh Sextinction Translated By #Maher_Razouk
While there is a good starting point of information - the author definitely has a political agenda with this book and catered to a particular audience. While I do not disagree with some of the context the author writes about - I disagree with the generalizing and the blaming of "leftists" and "woke" for everything. The author will present details of problems done by the right as just a fault of society - anything deemed a progressive problem will be aggressively labelled (at times would agree with the author that progressives are a problem - even though I usually label myself one). A more balance approached politically would have been advantageous (the right is not always wrong, but can also be called out about their faults).
The referencing of the book is faulty - at times stats would be questionable and difficult to find the source. While other instances would have a citation and easy to find. I am not questioning the motive, but the perception of misleading the reader is noted.
I think it is important to read opposing opinions about all issues and I am glad a read this book. However, this "soy boy" and wanna be academic would recommend those interested in the topic to explore more authors on this subject as there are opposing and different views on the material that have some validity.