A most epic evil exploration of the Marvel U! When Magneto of the X-Men tries to rescue a young Mutant on the run, he accidently kicks off a series of events that will shake the very Marvel Universe to its core! Who are the new Teen Brigade?! Who are the Brotherhood and what do they want with the Young Masters of evil?! And how is the Red Skull pulling the strings from beyond the grave? Joe Casey joins Nick Dragotta for some major acts of VENGEANCE! COLLECTING: VENGEANCE 1-6
Librarian note: there is more than one author with this name
Joe Casey is an American comic book writer. He has worked on titles such as Wildcats 3.0, Uncanny X-Men, The Intimates, Adventures of Superman, and G.I. Joe: America's Elite among others. As part of the comics creator group Man of Action Studios, Casey is one of the creators of the animated series Ben 10.
Let me tell what will probably be all you need to know about this book: this is a miniseries that was born because Marvel found itself in possession of some seriously fantastic portraits of six of its iconic villains and asked Joe Casey to write a miniseries around those covers. It works out about as well as you might expect, especially considering how entirely besides the point those six amazing villains turned out to be. Instead, the focus is on two truly insufferable groups of characters in their teens and early twenties: the good guys, who unironically call themselves the Teen Brigade, and the bad guys, who call themselves the Young Masters. And it pains me that I disliked the main characters so much, because three of them I've met previously elsewhere and loved. After this book, Ms. America will eventually show up in Young Avengers, where she'll be awesome. Here, rather less so, with less personality and less clothes. And Angel and Beak, who I'd become very attached to in X-Men, have lost both their powers and appeal after M-Day. Sad. There's really nothing to recommend this miniseries. Skip it.
I spent the entirety of this book thinking "What the fuck is going on, and what the fuck is the point of it all?" Then I get to the end, and find out the mini-series was created because Marvel had possession of the six cover paintings, and needed a story to go with it. So, sure....You have paintings of Magneto, Dr. Doom, Doctor Octopus, Bullseye, The Red Skull, and Loki....Let's make an incomprehensible book about teenaged heroes and villains that has NOTHING to do with the cover characters, and we'll drop them in in needless cameos! Perfect!
I have never read anything good by Joe Casey. The streak continues. Fuck this book.
I usually enjoy Casey’s mini-series but this was a complete mess.
I couldn’t even tell you the plot because it really did see seem like it was written by pulling pieces of paper out of a hat and stitching things together. Also, aside from She-Hulk and Hellstrom, the characters are all uninteresting, obscure ones
The only interesting aspect of this story is the first appearance of America Chavez although not even close to the character people like today.
Way too much going on, there are several good story ideas (Russian superhero death camps being covered up, the old versus the new, chaos, multidimensional thinking) but smashing it all together made it feel too disjointed and left me wanting this to be several different stories not this one
Nick Dragotta’s art is really cool. I wish it was paired with a better story.
I’ll make this short. The plot is stupid, jumbled and messy. Nothing that happens seems to matter much. These events have very little weight to them.
It’a frustrating, because even in this sloppy mess, I can detect good authorship in Joe Casey’s style... it just falls really flat. His Teen Brigade mostly sucks. The New Masters suck. These teams have no personality.
He’s drawing from good stuff. I mean, the In-Betweener? Talk about a deep cut. It was a cool idea... it was just wasted on this narrative. Seeing Beak and Angel was so great, for all of maybe 5 panels... why bring these beloved characters into the fold if you’re just going to place them in the backdrop with no purpose.
Lastly, Miss America was cool. Probably the best thing about this. But, alas, she played very little role in the outcome as well.
The story mostly followed this kid who named himself “Ultimate Nullifier” (yes, after the weapon that frightened Galactus.) He’s a douche bag. He suffers a terrible, disfiguring injury, but don’t worry... it has zero emotional consequences.
Sadly, on the whole this book was a "meh", which is my reaction to some percentage of Casey's stuff.
He introduces some great characters, and it's all beautifully illustrated by Dragotta. But beyond that the book seemed ... pointless. The heroes randomly run from villain to villain, fighting or protecting them. There's some partying and some hooking up, and some texting that's trying way too hard to be cool. There are some metaphysics that don't make much sense. And you get done and your reaction is: did something happen there?
Maybe it's all meant to be a commentary on restless, pointless millennials or something, but I didn't get a lot out of it.
I would like to start with the positives. The art is very fun and matches the mood of the story. The colors are bold and bright which adds a lot of interest. I also enjoy the focus on more obscure characters. I like when artists give them a chance to shine. Besides that there are few nice things to say about this book. This comic feels like three ideas slammed together and it struggles to be coherent. The book is seemingly about the teen brigade but they get so little to do and are overwhelmed by the large cast of other characters. Especially Angel and Beak who do almost nothing in this book except banter with each other. I picked this series up because I wanted to see America Chavez’s origin and I found myself leaving heavily disappointed. It seems like Young Avengers reinvents the character and introduces the iconic character people love. The most disturbing part of her depiction is that they give a character implied to be 15 a very scandalous outfit. In the back of the book they show other iterations of her costume and the one they went with is the most revealing of the bunch. There are also so many gratuitous ass and boob shots. The fact this book started with the gorgeous covers which are paintings of six iconic villains at least sheds a little light into how this book ended up this way. These six villains are needlessly shoehorned in and provide little to no part in the actual plot. It seems like Joe Casey came with a pitch and then quickly worked the villains in because that was the only way this would get green lit. The funniest part is since this takes place in continuity at the time the majority of these villains have strange status quos so their depictions in the story don’t match the covers at all. The Red Skull stuff is the weirdest because instead of a quick cameo each issue has a red skull 1940’s flashback. I was excited to see how these connect to the overarching plot just to learn they absolutely don’t. They just kind of stop at the 5th issue. This book’s main purpose seems to be to bring attention to other Joe Casey books because those characters keep making appearances resulting in this book being a Joe Casey island of misfit toys. Also the dialogue sucks and Joe Casey has no clue what teen text lingo sounds like.
Read this because Young Avengers 2012 is my favorite thing. It reminds me a lot of Young Avengers Dark Reign, which I also did not like. The characters here are so unlikable. I had a hard time following what was going on, and I think part of the reason for that is how shoehorned in all the villains were that make up the cover art. It’s so evident that they were only put into the story so they could be used aa the cover art, because otherwise none of them had a real reason to be there. I struggled with how America Chavez is drawn in this book… it’s implied she is not even 16 but at the same time seems fixated on sexualizing her. Honestly I just can’t think of why someone would pick this book up for any reason other than because it’s America Chavez’s origin, and there isn’t much that’s important here to understanding the character. Just read Young Avengers instead.
After reading the Old Man Logan TPB, I learned that Marvel 1985 and Vengeance take place before Old Man Logan. I still haven't read 1985, but Vengeance was 2.5/5 for me. Some interesting ideas, but I think sometimes writers just try to add in too much to a story. Not every story needs multiple dimensions. I don't know if I really understood the purpose of the new In-Betweener. I'll still give 1985 a try.
I'll never complain about Nick Dragotta's art. And this book did give us Ms. America Chavez, who's a fantastic character through and through. I wish we had seen more of Ultimate Nullifier after this. And I don't totally get what the In-Betweener was actually doing here or what larger point the book was trying to make. It's a fun read, but a bit confusing and ultimately not one with the impact it could have had.
tiene un monton de cosas re ???? se nota muchisimo que lo escribio alguien que no conoce para nada el español y ni hablar de como la hipersexualizaron a america. lo unico que rescato es el arte y los colores 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Vengeance is six story's in one book that intertwined with each chapter one main noun superpower character up against some of Marvel's best super villains.
I like the story Casey is trying to tell here. I don't know if it lands very well and has issues with pacing and being a bit all over the place, but I do like the generational stuff when it's done well.
Continuing my exploration of comics, I picked this up largely because it was the first appearance of America Chavez, who I ADORE in Young Avengers. It didn’t turn out that well. Thus, far I’ve been able to get into most of the comics I’ve read without feeling all that limited by my newness to the genre, mostly wiki-ing anything that seems exceptionally important. However, even with extensive who’s who wiki usage, Vengeance left me cold.
Miss America actually looks a lot older (and tackier) than in Young Avengers and personality wise, there are only the barest hints of her awesome/funny YA self. Beyond that, the three plots at work here took a long time to grab my attention and then, ended far too quickly once they did. The groundwork was just so extensive and took so long to really begin to unfold, that the final battle felt like it came way too soon and just didn’t offer any sort of satisfying pay off. Of the six issues, reading the first four was fairly torturous, I started to get interested in the fifth, and then, things just ended in the sixth. There was BIG stuff happening, but with wonky pacing and often confusing plotting, I wasn’t feeling it.
3.4 stars. Checked this out because I like the creative team, and I saw that its where Miss America Chavez had her debut. Dragotta's action sequences were great, though not as fun and stylized as some of his more recent stuff. While some of the character designs were really cool, America's was no where near as great as it became under McKelvie for YA. Pretty sure I've seen some astounding Brad Simpson coloring work, and he did nicely with the trippier sequences, but alot of it was too dark and muddy, which I guess was what they were going for tonally. That said, Casey wrote everyone's voice pretty well and layered some interesting intrigues and conspiracies. The problem is, the story culminated with all these aimless sort of abstract threads that feel a bit rushed, so it all felt a bit unrealized. Given a few more issues to flesh everything out, the story would probably have been a bit more fleshed out. But there's a note in the back about the entire series was built around the six gorgeous Gabrielle Del'Otto covers of each villain, so kudos to the team for crafting this interesting insanity based on such a vague prompt.
Vengeance left me a little cold. It has the Morrison-sized ideas, the classic characters and the new takes on old standards to make a decent book. But the art put me off.
Post-modern narratives are fractured non-linear stories that all tie together in the last act. In this case, we had pages that jumped years and dimensions and never slammed together in the end.
I like the high concept of a Teen Brigade that works in secret to police a world full of stodgy old heroes and villains, but this book misses that mark.
Mehhh... Covers are misleading. So, Marvel has a couple of awesome character cover portraits. They need something to use them for. They ask some guy to write a story. They mess up. The story had NOTHING to do with the covers. It was pretty enjoyable, but nothing wow. It's about two teams, The Teen Brigade, a behind the scenes group of kids wh secretly solve problems, and the Young Masters, a group of wanna be villains. The story was... Well... Not really well done. It's all over the place. So... My advice, don't waste your time. Read something else.
Joe Casey's Crossover even where it doesn't amount to anything is a kind of "punk rock" concept. That doesn't quite gel--kind of like his Final Crisis: Dance comic.
Vengeance, Final Crisis Dance, The Last Defender and Omega Flight fit into an interesting little moment of time for me.
But ultimately--Vengeance fits into this weird zaniness that X-Statix, Nextwave, Young Avengers, Hawkeye, Superior Foes of Spider-Man, Jason Aaron's Ghost Rider, and Journey Into Mystery taps into.
A great concept in the tradition of Stormwatch, but without the execution. There's far too much going on in this mini to be covered in just these 6 issues. It would have been better as an ongoing or a 12 issue maxi. Also would have allowed for a deeper characterization and understanding of the characters.