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Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality #3
Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres and the Shadows of Death
זהו סיפורו של הארי פוטר ב"יקום מקביל" שבו אביו המאמץ הוא פרופסור באוקספורד, והארי גדל על ספרי מדע, פסיכולוגיה, מדע בדיוני, ועוד. עד שהוא מקבל הזמנה להוגוורטס ומגלה מציאות של קסמים, שלא מתיישבת בכלל עם מה שהוא למד על העולם עד כה.
הארי לא מקבל את המצב בשתיקה, הוא משתמש ביכולותיו המדעיות כדי להבין לכל הרוחות איך קסמים עובדים, ובו זמנית משתמש בידע שלו בפסיכולוגיה קוגניטיבית (וביכולת המרשימה שלו להיכנס לצרות) כדי להשליט כאוס בהוגוורטס.
הארי לא מקבל את המצב בשתיקה, הוא משתמש ביכולותיו המדעיות כדי להבין לכל הרוחות איך קסמים עובדים, ובו זמנית משתמש בידע שלו בפסיכולוגיה קוגניטיבית (וביכולת המרשימה שלו להיכנס לצרות) כדי להשליט כאוס בהוגוורטס.
389 pages, ebook
First published January 1, 2010
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Eliezer Yudkowsky
48 books1,938 followersEliezer Yudkowsky is a founding researcher of the field of AI alignment and played a major role in shaping the public conversation about smarter-than-human AI. He appeared on Time magazine's 2023 list of the 100 Most Influential People In AI, was one of the twelve public figures featured in The New York Times's "Who's Who Behind the Dawn of the Modern Artificial Intelligence Movement," and has been discussed or interviewed in The New Yorker, Newsweek, Forbes, Wired, Bloomberg, The Atlantic, The Economist, The Washington Post, and many other venues.
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July 26, 2024
Ставлю 3 бали тільки через те, що в кінці є такі додаткові історії які мені сподобались, а саме: «Аліса в країні, де все ще химерніше, ніж було», «Відьма та шафа», «My Little Pony: Дружба — Це Наука», «Утилітарні Сутінки», «Жасмін та лампа», «Володар Раціональності» (про Фродо). А так Гаррі ще більше опустився для мене в цій книжці, бо він врятував Белатрісу, і може хтось скаже, що вона не знала що робила, вона була під дією Імперіуса(здається) і вона взагалі няшка і найдобріша відьма на планеті, але ж вона погодилась працювати з Волондемортом, вона його постійно підтримувала, вона була в нього закохана, і оце наврядчи їй магією навіяли, вона вбивала та катувала людей, вона від цього отримувала насолоду. І думки Гаррі, щодо знищення Азкабану трішки тупуваті, бо я не побачила ніякої альтернативи, ця в'язниця здається єдина магічне місце, де перебувають усі злочинці, і він хотів, знищити цю в'язницю, бо бачте йому їх шкода тих, хто там знаходиться, а те, що вони за свої злочини тут сидять, то не дуже для нього важливо знати. І саме цікаве для мене виявилось те, що він виконав прохання і професора і сина Белатріса(не запам'ятала ім'я, але ініціали Л.Л.), але те, що ця особа катувала батьків його друга Невіла, він на це начхав.
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June 23, 2023
Well, that’s a bit awkward. I loved the first two books cos they felt to me like a hilarious satire about those who overly rely on science and believe in the illusion of rationality. In book three, it looks that the unoriginal drama was supposed to be taken seriously.
In this part, suddenly all humor and fun educational bits disappeared and what was left was just very awkward writing and a poorly thought-out plot. I left two stars for the couple curious ideas about the wizarding world, like what dementors could alternatively represent.
In this part, suddenly all humor and fun educational bits disappeared and what was left was just very awkward writing and a poorly thought-out plot. I left two stars for the couple curious ideas about the wizarding world, like what dementors could alternatively represent.
did-not-finish
May 8, 2023Check out my review of the first book to see why I'm reading Harry Potter fan-fiction, and my review of the second book to see some more thoughts on me struggling with this series.
I think the moment where I decided to stop reading is when Harry gives a speech about how muggles and purebloods (and eventually extra terrestrial beings) will one day only be judged by their minds and "not their color or their shape or the stuff they're made of" that literally starts with "I have a dream". It was too much.
That was the tipping point for me for a series that has some interesting and fun ideas, but is often more on the side of "I'm 14 And This Is Deep" for me. I also think I had maybe some unfair expectations of this being an alternate dimension sort of premise that stems from the singular fact of Harry's upbringing being different, whereas it is more broadly different across a lot of characters, which feels a bit random often and doesn't really work for me most of the time? I don't know a lot of deep Harry Potter lore either, so I think there are a good number of references here as well that are lost on me.
Glad I gave this a shot, but it's not for me. I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.
I think the moment where I decided to stop reading is when Harry gives a speech about how muggles and purebloods (and eventually extra terrestrial beings) will one day only be judged by their minds and "not their color or their shape or the stuff they're made of" that literally starts with "I have a dream". It was too much.
That was the tipping point for me for a series that has some interesting and fun ideas, but is often more on the side of "I'm 14 And This Is Deep" for me. I also think I had maybe some unfair expectations of this being an alternate dimension sort of premise that stems from the singular fact of Harry's upbringing being different, whereas it is more broadly different across a lot of characters, which feels a bit random often and doesn't really work for me most of the time? I don't know a lot of deep Harry Potter lore either, so I think there are a good number of references here as well that are lost on me.
Glad I gave this a shot, but it's not for me. I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.
October 8, 2020
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DNF at 21%.
I just couldn't suffer through it any longer. I've been trying to read this book for almost three years now and every time I read a little further, I just find myself disgusted with everything the writer has done. Now here's the thing...the idea was brilliant in its own right. But the execution was not only grossly unrealistic, but it was just downright awful in general.
I'd been really excited to read this, in part due to the fact that it somehow managed to find its way onto Goodreads as a fan fiction. I must admit I am utterly baffled as to how that came to be now that I've read as much as I have. And here's something to understand about this book. It's massive. The number of pages I managed to force myself to read through would equate to a 400+ page novel.
And I personally don't think this book deserved even that much of my time.
I think it's thoroughly apparent that I wanted to like this fan fic. I truly did. There is a lot to be praised from intelligence and rationality, but instead of actually telling an important tale with themes of rational understanding woven in, Yudkowsky simply gives us asinine characters that are poorly written and a story that jumps around so much you wonder how anyone could say there's even a plot at all.
Now, I had expected that there would be a fair amount of differences in the novel, especially on the part of Harry's character. His entire backstory had changed, after all. But ultimately that doesn't account for how an eleven-year-old boy never seems to have any of the traits of the young child that he is. Ironically, I think I might have been able to get past that--who doesn't want an immensely intelligent Harry Potter to read?--had it not been for how disgustingly out of character literally everyone else was.
And then, somehow along the line, Harry becomes disturbingly sociopathic and thus even more difficult to empathize with. I can't think of a single instance past the very first chapters of the tale where he didn't come off as a self-obsessed little jerk for absolutely no reason at all. He's manipulative and cruel on more than one occasion and does nothing to show intelligence in a positive light. This was immensely frustrating as it only furthered the often misconstrued notion that intelligent people are stuck up, snobbish assholes with no emotions whatsoever.
Harry's intelligence is also portrayed in a deeply unbelievable manner. Instead of needing to learn (as someone at eleven years old, even a very well read someone, would need to do) Harry simply thinks...and then somehow knows in a short period of time. Intelligence is not a trait that one simply has, but rather something someone has to work at constantly and Yudkowsky completely ignores this factor in favor of simply parroting his somewhat misguided beliefs through the mouth of his main character. In fact, Harry's solution to a great deal of events is simply to use a time-turner to travel back and re-do everything.
Disturbing jokes are made throughout the prose and the writing is mediocre at best, only serving to create more problems with the story as a whole. And to make matters worse, there is almost nothing going on at all aside from Harry acting like a little brat all the time and taking advantage of the people around him. I'm pretty sure that by the point I stopped, he was still in his first few months of classes in his first year. Which brings me to another issue I had. There is absolutely no continuity. The story arcs hop around idly at random as the author appears to simply fill in whatever idea he had at the present moment and say, "well, who cares if it fits?"
I just couldn't stomach how unrealistic the entirety of this story was or how Yudkowsky regularly butchered characters in order for them to fit his own personal view of them. It's not the first time I've seen Dumbledore portrayed as a bumbling fool, but it's the first time that I've been thoroughly disgusted by it. He regularly degrades and insults well loved and kind characters from the original novels and does a horrible job of it in the process. The blatant disrespect the author shows the original story and characters is exceedingly difficult to accommodate.
It's a real shame, because ultimately the idea was one I had been really interested in. But, I suppose I just have to say that if you're interested in reading Harry Potter fan fiction, definitely read something else rather than waste your time with this one. There are much better ones out there and it doesn't take too long to find them.
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DNF at 21%.
I just couldn't suffer through it any longer. I've been trying to read this book for almost three years now and every time I read a little further, I just find myself disgusted with everything the writer has done. Now here's the thing...the idea was brilliant in its own right. But the execution was not only grossly unrealistic, but it was just downright awful in general.
I'd been really excited to read this, in part due to the fact that it somehow managed to find its way onto Goodreads as a fan fiction. I must admit I am utterly baffled as to how that came to be now that I've read as much as I have. And here's something to understand about this book. It's massive. The number of pages I managed to force myself to read through would equate to a 400+ page novel.
And I personally don't think this book deserved even that much of my time.
I think it's thoroughly apparent that I wanted to like this fan fic. I truly did. There is a lot to be praised from intelligence and rationality, but instead of actually telling an important tale with themes of rational understanding woven in, Yudkowsky simply gives us asinine characters that are poorly written and a story that jumps around so much you wonder how anyone could say there's even a plot at all.
Now, I had expected that there would be a fair amount of differences in the novel, especially on the part of Harry's character. His entire backstory had changed, after all. But ultimately that doesn't account for how an eleven-year-old boy never seems to have any of the traits of the young child that he is. Ironically, I think I might have been able to get past that--who doesn't want an immensely intelligent Harry Potter to read?--had it not been for how disgustingly out of character literally everyone else was.
And then, somehow along the line, Harry becomes disturbingly sociopathic and thus even more difficult to empathize with. I can't think of a single instance past the very first chapters of the tale where he didn't come off as a self-obsessed little jerk for absolutely no reason at all. He's manipulative and cruel on more than one occasion and does nothing to show intelligence in a positive light. This was immensely frustrating as it only furthered the often misconstrued notion that intelligent people are stuck up, snobbish assholes with no emotions whatsoever.
Harry's intelligence is also portrayed in a deeply unbelievable manner. Instead of needing to learn (as someone at eleven years old, even a very well read someone, would need to do) Harry simply thinks...and then somehow knows in a short period of time. Intelligence is not a trait that one simply has, but rather something someone has to work at constantly and Yudkowsky completely ignores this factor in favor of simply parroting his somewhat misguided beliefs through the mouth of his main character. In fact, Harry's solution to a great deal of events is simply to use a time-turner to travel back and re-do everything.
Disturbing jokes are made throughout the prose and the writing is mediocre at best, only serving to create more problems with the story as a whole. And to make matters worse, there is almost nothing going on at all aside from Harry acting like a little brat all the time and taking advantage of the people around him. I'm pretty sure that by the point I stopped, he was still in his first few months of classes in his first year. Which brings me to another issue I had. There is absolutely no continuity. The story arcs hop around idly at random as the author appears to simply fill in whatever idea he had at the present moment and say, "well, who cares if it fits?"
I just couldn't stomach how unrealistic the entirety of this story was or how Yudkowsky regularly butchered characters in order for them to fit his own personal view of them. It's not the first time I've seen Dumbledore portrayed as a bumbling fool, but it's the first time that I've been thoroughly disgusted by it. He regularly degrades and insults well loved and kind characters from the original novels and does a horrible job of it in the process. The blatant disrespect the author shows the original story and characters is exceedingly difficult to accommodate.
It's a real shame, because ultimately the idea was one I had been really interested in. But, I suppose I just have to say that if you're interested in reading Harry Potter fan fiction, definitely read something else rather than waste your time with this one. There are much better ones out there and it doesn't take too long to find them.
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August 8, 2023
Takeaway: snapping twigs is bad.
Starting notes from book three onwards cause my partner is annoyed I can't remember the things he wants to talk about lol (if you see this, then know I still don't care about all the characters, so I will remember the parts I like and the parts I enjoy alone, but also Harry being insufferable because of how obnoxiously proud he is). McGonagall's character is still my favourite for reasons I will not elaborate on.
I read over 30 books before getting back to this; in short, I liked the Dementors and Azkaban parts; I was not too fond of Harry's attitude, aka how he couldn't possibly have an intellectual equal. There are a lot of convenient leaps based on how Harry thinks the world should work (and very odd thinking for one so young).
But, on the other hand, I enjoyed the concept of how the very existence of Azkaban is proof that the Ministry of Magic is just as bad as Lord Voldemort—sitting on the fence about the Stanford Prison Experiment chapters on breaking Bellatrix Lestrange out of Azkaban since it seemed farfetched.
Shout out to Hogwarts Legacy, the primary motivator for returning to the series.
Funny Malfoy parts:
- The heir of slipperin (lmao)
- Here's to the next drop lord
- Cannibalism AH don't eat me!!!
Starting notes from book three onwards cause my partner is annoyed I can't remember the things he wants to talk about lol (if you see this, then know I still don't care about all the characters, so I will remember the parts I like and the parts I enjoy alone, but also Harry being insufferable because of how obnoxiously proud he is). McGonagall's character is still my favourite for reasons I will not elaborate on.
I read over 30 books before getting back to this; in short, I liked the Dementors and Azkaban parts; I was not too fond of Harry's attitude, aka how he couldn't possibly have an intellectual equal. There are a lot of convenient leaps based on how Harry thinks the world should work (and very odd thinking for one so young).
But, on the other hand, I enjoyed the concept of how the very existence of Azkaban is proof that the Ministry of Magic is just as bad as Lord Voldemort—sitting on the fence about the Stanford Prison Experiment chapters on breaking Bellatrix Lestrange out of Azkaban since it seemed farfetched.
Shout out to Hogwarts Legacy, the primary motivator for returning to the series.
Funny Malfoy parts:
- The heir of slipperin (lmao)
- Here's to the next drop lord
- Cannibalism AH don't eat me!!!
October 12, 2020
At the beginning I thought I won't finish this series – the endless Harry and Dumbledore chapters were quite annoying (horrible Harry, almost gullible Dumbledore) BUT it was picking up speed soon after, the themes shifted to morals and prejudice, which was much better, and finally the whole part was so thrilling and the end of it was philosophical/emotional.
February 8, 2021
Fun for anyone pained by main characters in sci-fi and fantasy who routinely misapply phlebotenum. Familiarity with Rowling's Harry Potter is not required.
April 11, 2018
It took me a while to finally finish the 3rd installment of Methods of Rationality, as my wife's interest waned as she began to see that Harry Potter was still obnoxiously proud to the point of being insufferable. I was still intent on finishing the series, so after a few months of not reading in the evenings, I decided to pick it up on my own. SPOILER WARNING!!!!! I am going to mention some major plot details from here on out, so be warned.
The events of the third book (note, Harry is still in his first year at Hogwarts), center around two events: (1) Harry Potter discovers the secret to not only warding off Dementors, but completely obliterating them when he discovers their true nature and (2) using this acquired knowledge and the assistance of Professor Quirrell, Harry breaks into Azkaban to free Bellatrix Black. Definitely a surprise and unexpected twist there. There are plenty of fun twists along the way, like how did wizards get clocks if they are a Muggle invention, and is Dumbledore away of Gandalf and Lord of the Rings? Harry becomes very close to Professor Quirrell, and we learn a lot mroe about his abilities (he's an Animagus-- turns into a cat), but we have yet to know his motives. Harry has yet to guess at his motives as well, and one of the main reasons he decides to work together with him is, whatever Quirrell's plans are, they require a strong and trained Harry Potter. So he's willing to cooperate.
I have two issues to take Harry to task for. The first is the same as my wife: Harry has absolutely no intellectual humility, and no events or encounters seem to change that. I thought a key difference between the books and this fan fic would be the elimination of the Gryffindor-esque I'm-the-hero-follow-me-I'm-the-best. No; it just takes a Ravenclaw/Slytherin tone. Harry not only is a genius; he is convinced that he has no intellectual equal, and that others don't have anything to add. I don't appreciate the author's twisting of Dumbledore's figure into a caricature of the wise wizard in fantasy. He views himself in a Gandalf-like role, considering himself a former hero, no wise advisor to current hero. Harry takes advantage of this. Dumbledore no longer has a sense of mystery about him, but rather a predictable, sentimental, and slightly crazy old man. Respect for authority doesn't factor in if Harry already knows that he is smarter than those he is talking to. I just hope there aren't real people out there who think like this version of Harry Potter.
The second qualm with Harry is derivative from the first. It originally isn't Harry's idea, but Quirrell. Quirrell is convinced that Britain's democracy is a failure, and the only solution is a Dark Lord to rule over them. Humans can't rule themselves because they are too stupid. Dumbledore opposes him, and Harry doesn't buy in at first. But the change comes when Harry experiences the horrors of Azkaban. How could anyone inflict that kind of suffering on other humans-- even if they are hardened criminals? It is a living hell. The very existence of Azkaban is proof that the Ministry of Magic is just as bad as a Lord Voldemort. He discusses the topic with Dumbledore:
Fury blazed in Harry then, blazed up like fire, it might have come from where a phoenix now rested on his own shoulder, and it might have come from his own dark side, and the two angers mixed within him, the cold and the hot, and it was a strange voice that said from his throat, "Tell me something. What does a government have to do, what do the voters have to do with their democracy, what do the people of a country have to do, before I ought to decide that I'm not on their side any more?"
Because Azkaban is completely unjustified, Harry is OK with becoming an outlaw, overthrowing the government, and installing himself as Dark/Light Lord, he just hasn't made up his mind. Democracy doesn't fit in when you trying to completely eliminate evil. And I'm not OK with this line of thinking. It reminds me of some of the warnings in The Road to Serfdom. Intellectuals do tend to think they know better than everyone else, so why go the slow democratic route to improvement?
For those reasons, I chose to give this installment three stars. It is still entertaining for the same reasons as the previous two, but I would have appreciated if the author had overcome one of the weaknesses Dorothy Sayers points out in mystery novels: all problems presented in the novel are solved in the same mindset in which they are presented. The Sherlock Holmes over-simplification of life.
The events of the third book (note, Harry is still in his first year at Hogwarts), center around two events: (1) Harry Potter discovers the secret to not only warding off Dementors, but completely obliterating them when he discovers their true nature and (2) using this acquired knowledge and the assistance of Professor Quirrell, Harry breaks into Azkaban to free Bellatrix Black. Definitely a surprise and unexpected twist there. There are plenty of fun twists along the way, like how did wizards get clocks if they are a Muggle invention, and is Dumbledore away of Gandalf and Lord of the Rings? Harry becomes very close to Professor Quirrell, and we learn a lot mroe about his abilities (he's an Animagus-- turns into a cat), but we have yet to know his motives. Harry has yet to guess at his motives as well, and one of the main reasons he decides to work together with him is, whatever Quirrell's plans are, they require a strong and trained Harry Potter. So he's willing to cooperate.
I have two issues to take Harry to task for. The first is the same as my wife: Harry has absolutely no intellectual humility, and no events or encounters seem to change that. I thought a key difference between the books and this fan fic would be the elimination of the Gryffindor-esque I'm-the-hero-follow-me-I'm-the-best. No; it just takes a Ravenclaw/Slytherin tone. Harry not only is a genius; he is convinced that he has no intellectual equal, and that others don't have anything to add. I don't appreciate the author's twisting of Dumbledore's figure into a caricature of the wise wizard in fantasy. He views himself in a Gandalf-like role, considering himself a former hero, no wise advisor to current hero. Harry takes advantage of this. Dumbledore no longer has a sense of mystery about him, but rather a predictable, sentimental, and slightly crazy old man. Respect for authority doesn't factor in if Harry already knows that he is smarter than those he is talking to. I just hope there aren't real people out there who think like this version of Harry Potter.
The second qualm with Harry is derivative from the first. It originally isn't Harry's idea, but Quirrell. Quirrell is convinced that Britain's democracy is a failure, and the only solution is a Dark Lord to rule over them. Humans can't rule themselves because they are too stupid. Dumbledore opposes him, and Harry doesn't buy in at first. But the change comes when Harry experiences the horrors of Azkaban. How could anyone inflict that kind of suffering on other humans-- even if they are hardened criminals? It is a living hell. The very existence of Azkaban is proof that the Ministry of Magic is just as bad as a Lord Voldemort. He discusses the topic with Dumbledore:
Fury blazed in Harry then, blazed up like fire, it might have come from where a phoenix now rested on his own shoulder, and it might have come from his own dark side, and the two angers mixed within him, the cold and the hot, and it was a strange voice that said from his throat, "Tell me something. What does a government have to do, what do the voters have to do with their democracy, what do the people of a country have to do, before I ought to decide that I'm not on their side any more?"
Because Azkaban is completely unjustified, Harry is OK with becoming an outlaw, overthrowing the government, and installing himself as Dark/Light Lord, he just hasn't made up his mind. Democracy doesn't fit in when you trying to completely eliminate evil. And I'm not OK with this line of thinking. It reminds me of some of the warnings in The Road to Serfdom. Intellectuals do tend to think they know better than everyone else, so why go the slow democratic route to improvement?
For those reasons, I chose to give this installment three stars. It is still entertaining for the same reasons as the previous two, but I would have appreciated if the author had overcome one of the weaknesses Dorothy Sayers points out in mystery novels: all problems presented in the novel are solved in the same mindset in which they are presented. The Sherlock Holmes over-simplification of life.
March 12, 2020
Love this series so much, all of the Stanford Prison Experiment chapters on breaking Bellatrix Lestrange out of Azkaban are incredible.
This entire review has been hidden because of spoilers.
July 4, 2018
Autor se ve třetím díle znova vrací k odkazům původního kánonu, teď už ale bez úvodního vysvětlování. Naopak rozsáhle rozvíjí a doplňuje - a to velmi temným stylem. Už jen úvodní část věnovaná mozkomorům je velmi povedená až geniální. A pak už se to do konce vůbec nezastaví. Skvělé...
November 4, 2024
Відгук по розділам 38-64:
🔴 Знову повернулось відчуття, що автор намагається просто висміяти, а не доповнити чи якось привнести щось своє (на відміну від попередньої частини).
🔴 Коли проповідується ідея раціоналізаторства, доволі нелогічним є рішення - зробити ГП всемогутнім вбивцею дементорів і унікальним магом часткової трансфігурації.
🔴 Гумор, все такий же, жахливий. Тутешній ГП, все так же, невимовно бісить і хочеться його вдарити.
🔴 Макгонагел, яка «недоганяє» плани Снейпа і Дамблдора 🤦🏻♀️ Могутня відьма перетворена на якусь мамку-квочку…без коментарів.
🟢 А от альтернативна історія Белли - цікаво! Це захопливо, і мені б хотілось в неї вірити.
🟡 ЛГБТ і вегетаріанство - як на противагу самій Роулінг - підняті й показані.
🟡 Азкабан і тема вʼязниць - має місце. Мені не сприймалась методика висвітлення, але вцілому ідея пропагується хороша.
💩 Омаке-файли, такі ж (вибачте за емоційність), недалекі. Але тепер розповзлись на інші всесвіти. Не всі референси знаю, але про Володар Перснів вибісило так же сильно, як і про Гаррі Поттера. Якщо вже підкреслюєш сюжетні діри, то перед цим треба уважно ознайомитись з оригіналом - велика імовірність, що там це пояснено більш логічно і вправніше.
🔴 Знову повернулось відчуття, що автор намагається просто висміяти, а не доповнити чи якось привнести щось своє (на відміну від попередньої частини).
🔴 Коли проповідується ідея раціоналізаторства, доволі нелогічним є рішення - зробити ГП всемогутнім вбивцею дементорів і унікальним магом часткової трансфігурації.
🔴 Гумор, все такий же, жахливий. Тутешній ГП, все так же, невимовно бісить і хочеться його вдарити.
🔴 Макгонагел, яка «недоганяє» плани Снейпа і Дамблдора 🤦🏻♀️ Могутня відьма перетворена на якусь мамку-квочку…без коментарів.
🟢 А от альтернативна історія Белли - цікаво! Це захопливо, і мені б хотілось в неї вірити.
🟡 ЛГБТ і вегетаріанство - як на противагу самій Роулінг - підняті й показані.
🟡 Азкабан і тема вʼязниць - має місце. Мені не сприймалась методика висвітлення, але вцілому ідея пропагується хороша.
💩 Омаке-файли, такі ж (вибачте за емоційність), недалекі. Але тепер розповзлись на інші всесвіти. Не всі референси знаю, але про Володар Перснів вибісило так же сильно, як і про Гаррі Поттера. Якщо вже підкреслюєш сюжетні діри, то перед цим треба уважно ознайомитись з оригіналом - велика імовірність, що там це пояснено більш логічно і вправніше.
January 3, 2023
Loved the feeling the book creates in me - that science can and will change the word for the better.
Loved the musings/thoughts on humanity in general, on what good people are, what can you do/justify and still be "good", etc.
3rd reread, still finding this part one of the most affecting.
One thing that bothered me is the treatment of Professor McGonagall's character (that she is so overwhelmed by what the others - Albus, Severus, Harry - are taking in their stride that the only thing she can do not to go mad is to stop listening, basically). Guess it just collides with the "kick-ass grandmother" trope, which felt in by head like something so nicely applicable to her. It's a bit sad that out of the adults we focus on in this book she is the only female one and also the only one who is oh-so-overwhelmed. It fits with the roles/etc. in this book - e.g. she is not the plotting kind, etc., but still.
Loved the musings/thoughts on humanity in general, on what good people are, what can you do/justify and still be "good", etc.
3rd reread, still finding this part one of the most affecting.
One thing that bothered me is the treatment of Professor McGonagall's character (that she is so overwhelmed by what the others - Albus, Severus, Harry - are taking in their stride that the only thing she can do not to go mad is to stop listening, basically). Guess it just collides with the "kick-ass grandmother" trope, which felt in by head like something so nicely applicable to her. It's a bit sad that out of the adults we focus on in this book she is the only female one and also the only one who is oh-so-overwhelmed. It fits with the roles/etc. in this book - e.g. she is not the plotting kind, etc., but still.
January 22, 2023
Показна доброта; наявність Азкабану ("якби люди були справді добрими, вони б не створили Азкабан, а пішли б на нього з війною та зруйнували") (тут паралелі до реального світу); експеримент Мілґрема (не 3, як вважали перед випробуванням, а 65% людей підкоряються дурній, наглій, небезпечній (деколи — смертельно) думці авторитета; маски, що їх люди самі собі створюють; наука як надпотужна сила у світі, де її можуть використати не на благо; та ще багато іншого, що змушує вкотре згадувати про теорію когнітивного дисонансу.
Це все — основа третьої частини ГПІМР "Тіні смерти" Елізера Юдковскі. Але книжка про Гаррі Поттера. Ця історія для тих, хто вже давно виріс з уявлень про чорно-білий світ, де добро та зло перетинаються лише в смертельному герці, де вони — тим паче — не можуть існувати одночасно в одній людині.
Добро теж часто відкидає тіні.
Тіні смерти.
...
Це все — основа третьої частини ГПІМР "Тіні смерти" Елізера Юдковскі. Але книжка про Гаррі Поттера. Ця історія для тих, хто вже давно виріс з уявлень про чорно-білий світ, де добро та зло перетинаються лише в смертельному герці, де вони — тим паче — не можуть існувати одночасно в одній людині.
Добро теж часто відкидає тіні.
Тіні смерти.
...
October 21, 2022
This section is where I started to get more and more annoyed with the books. The Azkaban scene felt a bit far fetched and, while Harry is still impressive, very questionable for the decisions he is making. There's some fun Phoenix moments and moral dilemmas but ultimately I found Harry a bit obnoxious and the writing more and more unrealistic. Of course, we are in a magical world so there are no rules but with the "I'm so rational" theme it feels like there are a lot of convenient leaps based on how Harry thinks the world should work (and very odd thinking for one so young, even raised to think so rationally).
January 10, 2022
It took me a bit to get through this one as Harry is still an insufferable, obnoxious little kid. Hard to like him.... There are a couple of unexpected twists that made this book a bit less insufferable. Two major ones - Harry learns how to handle Dementors and, the second, is that he and Professor Quirrell head to Azkaban. I don't want to spoil it by saying too much. I didn't like the Azkaban bit, mainly because I know the original story and the whys and why-nots of going there and doing what they did.
November 19, 2020
Let me just say, you're in for a ride in this book. There is so much to digest while reading this book, and so much happening it may take a moment to wrap your head around, but it will be so worth it. It has some really funny parts that made me actually laugh out loud, which is hard to do for me when I'm reading a book. Very well done.
February 4, 2023
At last, the plot thickens to the point where characters become self-aware. The previous books, respectively, felt like an introduction to the universe, and then much plotting for plottting's sake.
I did not expect it but perhaps, this will follow the originals, shifting from a pure children's novel, to a more mature novel.
I did not expect it but perhaps, this will follow the originals, shifting from a pure children's novel, to a more mature novel.
This entire review has been hidden because of spoilers.
July 27, 2024
This was when I had to stop my read-through the first time around. The dementor part I could overcome, but the Azkaban part was dreadful. It made me dislike Harry so greatly that I could not continue.
I was first able to return to the story after a month.
Notice: This was written some time after my initial read.
I was first able to return to the story after a month.
Notice: This was written some time after my initial read.
November 13, 2019
Books with a driven purpose usually irk the heck out of me. Most of this, however, was a great deal of fun. And, later, still a whole pile of fun.
Kinda nifty reading this as individual books rather than one giant chonk, too.
Kinda nifty reading this as individual books rather than one giant chonk, too.
November 21, 2021
The idea of diving into the Harry Potter world was exciting. It did grip me for the first 2 books. But then the plot started going south with surreal changes to the characters. I was happy while the ride lasted. Good writing though.
January 2, 2022
The 'rational' approach to problems in the magical world but also the human struggle of the protagonists made this an entertaining and (in a weird way) inspiring listen. Up to volume 4 ...
Couldn't shake parallels between Azkaban and Guantanamo bay.
Couldn't shake parallels between Azkaban and Guantanamo bay.
April 13, 2025
Все ще чудово, але перші дві частини були для мене цікавіші. Може втомилася просто від того, що поспіль.
основна тема, що обігрується в цій книзі - стенфорський тюремний експеримент
бідний гаррі, оце виклики для психіки в 11 років🙈
герміона❤️
основна тема, що обігрується в цій книзі - стенфорський тюремний експеримент
бідний гаррі, оце виклики для психіки в 11 років🙈
герміона❤️
August 4, 2017
Wow! It gets better. I'm lovin' it.
September 13, 2017
Discovered a few things about myself when reading this. It keeps getting better.
April 24, 2019
Great but less re-readable than the other parts. Got bored with it so it took an entire week to finish
December 24, 2019
An entertaining and thought provoking read.
February 9, 2020
Azkaban sequence was heart racingly exciting. Also, Harry is a genius and a complete and utter idiot.
May 11, 2020
Absolutely incredible. Of all 6 volumes of the series, this is the best.
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