Peter D. Kramer is the author of eight books, including Ordinarily Well, Against Depression, Should You Leave?, the novels Spectacular Happiness and Death of the Great Man, and the international bestseller Listening to Prozac. Dr. Kramer hosted the nationally syndicated public radio program The Infinite Mind and has appeared on the major broadcast news and talk shows, including Today, Good Morning America, The Oprah Winfrey Show, Charlie Rose, and Fresh Air. His essays, op-eds, and book reviews have appeared in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, and elsewhere. For nearly forty years, Dr. Kramer taught and practiced psychiatry in Providence, Rhode Island, where he isEmeritus Professor of Psychiatry and Human Behavior at Brown University. He now writes full time.
Like Gawande and Sacks, psychiatrist Peter Kramer's narrative is simultaneously clinically intriguing, historically relevant, and surprisingly down-to-earth. In describing antidepressant research, he explains and bridges the divides between psychotherapy and psychopharmacology, independent- and industry- sponsored research, and EBM and clinical pragmatism.
Being personally involved in industry-sponsored clinical research, I have had my notions challenged and changed due to Kramer's book. Previously in animal research, I was plainly told that every result can be a publishable result with the right PR team, and it is fine to deep-six results that frankly are too confusing. How widespread that idea is and how ethically questionable that is has only been laid bare to me after reading Ordinarily Well. It has strongly motivated me to regard research and publications with much more scrutiny.
This isn't a book for the casual reader, or even for those who enjoyed Kramer's other books (like Listening to Prozac). Much of the book is a detailed analysis of the history of the study of antidepressants. As a science/medicine/mental health geek I found it fascinating.
The final few chapters were the payoff. Kramer concludes that antidepressant medicines are effective. For the details, read the book!
This is well-worth reading if you've read any of those scary anti-depressant headlines recently (work the same as placebo! only good for severe depression!) and wondered, well shit, is that true? (Even if you know the answer because you know how they've helped you.)
It's not true, not really, and Kramer, who is no overprescribing pro-drug mouthpiece, lays out the facts and the non-facts. The non-facts come from his 30 years of clinical experience, where he describes how he's watched therapy and drugs work with his patients. Tbh, I find the non-facts more compelling than the facts; but it doesn't matter, because both illustrate that anti-depressants work, and that they're a net good for most patients.
In light of the ongoing controversies about anti-depressants, I am happy to have found this book. I couldn't understand what to believe, how is it that so many people loudly decry anti-depressants online when my patients thank god for its existence? How is it so many people talk about horrible withdrawals online when my patients seem to stop it all the time with minimal difficulty? Were anti-depressants really no more effective than placebo? I couldn't imagine placebo working for a severe psychotic depression. If we didn't use these drugs, how else did society plan to manage depression, anxiety, OCD and many more illnesses? Some people showed such an outsized faith in psychotherapy that I wondered if they had ever even attempted it in a patient with severe depression or OCD, let alone even met such a patient. I wanted an answer to all these questions in my head. This book greatly helped calm my unease. Dr. Kramer narrates the history of antidepressant discovery and research. He painstakingly dissects the main issue raised by critics - that anti-depressants are only a placebo, in a simple manner. This book offered me tools to understand the research. It is unlikely that I would have understood as well if I had read the articles and statistical conundrums myself without his simplification. This book taught me a lot about trials -the reality of recruitment, the differential sieve, baseline score inflation, additivity of placebo etc., concepts that I had not come across in my three year residency training. I aspire to be a psychiatrist like him, prescribe minimally, taper frequently, but always use when necessary. I highly recommend this book to all psychiatrists.
I wanted to read this because anti-depressants have not worked for me. I have tried around ten or so of them, and had mostly bad side effects and no lifting of depression. I had also read a lot about the case against them (after trying them), about the unpublished studies that show how poor the outcomes actually are, the placebo effect and how exercise is just as, or more, effective.
By reading this book, I learned about how drug trials work, the history of the first anti-depressant, more about the placebo effect and different legal battles regarding the drug's use. I also learned some more about my own type of depression, the chronic dystonia. He also discussed the "double depression"-- when a chronically depressed person slips into a major depressive episode. That describes the last two years for me. I want to read his other book, Against Depression.
I also took away the idea that antidepressants seem to make the brain more resilient, and thus able to repair itself from the real damage of depression, rather then working by the commonly discussed "correcting" of a neurochemical imbalance.
In all, I felt the book was well-written and a good counterpoint to the wave of anti- anti-depressant lit out there. I still won't (in the foreseeable future) be using them, but this was an informative read.
I was captivated by Listening to Prozac when I read it like a decade ago, so I was curious about Peter’s followup. This book lays out Peter’s argument that antidepressants really do help a lot of people and powerfully forestall or delay what used to be progressive diseases of the mind that completely debilitated and killed a lot of people. His argument aims to counter popular misconceptions that antidepressants are no better than placebos or exercise. He makes a pretty strong case, pointing out the issues with placebo-controlled studies (or more accurately, how these studies get interpreted), the fudging that happens within drug trials, the lessbo effect, and a lot more. I really learned a lot about drug trials and studies by reading this — it was pretty fascinating. Recommended if you’re curious about the mind 💊
The book teaches readers to be cautious when interpreting studies, even meta-analyses and randomized controlled trials, and emphasizes that personal experience often outweighs other forms of evidence.
For example, I appreciated how the author discusses the link between exercise and better mental health, which many studies support. However, the author suggests that the causality might be reversed—perhaps people with good mental health are more likely to maintain an exercise routine, rather than exercise being the cause of improved mental health.
I would have preferred if the book included counterarguments to this perspective, presenting both sides more thoroughly and allowing readers to draw their own conclusions.
This entire review has been hidden because of spoilers.
Too boring and repetitive to finish. Or I guess I agreed with him right off the bat and didn’t need the remainder of the book for the author to prove his case.
I read “Listening to Prozac” in the late 90’s so was curious to see what Dr.Kramer had to add to the original book. I was pleasantly surprised as he addressed many of the issues brought to the fore in the national media since then. In Ordinarily Well, Dr. Kramer examines drug research and his own direct practice with very real patients. Cites that the skepticism towards the efficacy of antidepressants is skewed not only in drug trials but preconceived notions of the public on the stigma of mental health concerns. Described patient encounters in the book are met with empathy by the doctor who never loses sight that his patients have a destructive illness, like diabetes, that affect the patient’s behavior, feelings, careers families and quality of life. Kramer never loses sight of patients. He writes with empathy about his clinical encounters. These patients as well as the entire human race deserve to be ordinarily well and antidepressants give the patients that opportunity. Dr. Kramer also accents the need of clinicians to treat each patient with unique care in that with some a medication will work, but others need a different one. Always with supplementation of talk therapy which clarifies the goal, values and constraints of a glorious life. Making all work with the human mind i.e. medication management, talk therapy, exercise, eating/sleeping well a work of love and faith.
Ordinarily Well does an amazing job of illustrating the caution we should exercise when we see splashy headlines about psychopharmacueticals. There's a wealth of history about the development of the research methodology and the growth of an industry.
I really enjoyed the care Kramer took in explaining the differences in trials, statistical tools, and comparative analyses. He unpacks concepts like placebo effect, additivity, efficacy, diagnostic scales (Hamilton), effect size, and counterfactuals in an accessible and compelling way.
The structure of the book also allows for a sense of contemplation and reflection- what have the decisions made by the research community, pharma companies, medical professionals, and media done to shape our understanding of mental health? What could it have been like if other ideas had flourished?
Like many non-fiction books I read, I do felt like I ran out of juice toward the end. Still worth a read, although I suspect if you put it down 2/3 of the way through, you'll still take away the big picture.
not certain how widespread the appeal would be. He tells some anecdotes re patients from his practice, but for the most part it's a (very) deep dive into clinical trials [and meta-analyses of them] of antidepressant medication. Major aim is to dispute two arguments that have gained currency in recent years, namely:
1. much of the impact of antidepressant meds is a placebo effect 2. antidepressants are only useful [or at any rate more useful than placebo] for severe depression, not the much more common mild/moderate range
Brings to bear research on depression secondary to other illnesses, selection biases caused by how clinical trials are run to get FDA approval, short-form vs. full Hamilton Rating scale for depression as an outcome variable, and much more.
one-sided discussion, and I don't follow the primary literature on this topic much anymore, so I'd be curious to see a rebuttal from someone on the other side, but for what it's worth just seeing this author's take it seemed generally convincing and logical.
kramer wrote this (i think?) in reaction to psychiatrists and others in the field saying that antidepressants don't work
and it's sort of a comparison between super scientific, double blinded placebo multi-armed studies that provide you with statistics and data and "facts"
and anecdotal medicine passed from clinician to clinician, which those stat junkies think is not so great
but it turns out psychiatric studies don't necessarily come up with perfect results because people are involved in them, people being notoriously not perfect
and you know, these are things i already know, and even though i enjoyed the insight into the rift between clinicians and researchers, it wasn't enough to hold my attention at this particular point in my life
this isn't a bad book, just not the book for me right now
A psychiatrists take on anti-derpessants from both a personal view (what he has seen in practice) and a scholarly view (what does the research say.) Interesting history of how anti-depressants were developed and used also.
This book should be called "The Case Study for Antidepressants," or something like that. 127 pages in, and as far as I can tell, this is a tale about the history of antidepressants. I wonder when the part comes in that the author makes the case...