Collects THE MANHATTAN PROJECTS #16-20 It's the fourth volume of the world's greatest secret science history, THE MANHATTAN PROJECTS. "The Four Disciplines" follows our fractured cast as they focus on their own diverse, secret experiments and global power plays resulting in inevitable betrayal.
Jonathan Hickman is an American comic book writer and artist. He is known for creating the Image Comics series The Nightly News, The Manhattan Projects and East of West, as well as working on Marvel Comics' Fantastic Four, FF, and S.H.I.E.L.D. titles. In 2012, Hickman ended his run on the Fantastic Four titles to write The Avengers and The New Avengers, as part the "Marvel NOW!" relaunch. In 2013, Hickman wrote a six-part miniseries, Infinity, plus Avengers tie-ins for Marvel Comics. In 2015, he wrote the crossover event Secret Wars. - Wikipedia
I read the The Manhattan Projects' comic books #16-25 that includes the content of this volume. The fantastic fantasy continues with fate of the Oppenheimers' and the likely ascension of evil Science. 8 out of 12, a fabulously freaky Four Star read! 2016 read
…and the weirdness continues, like a salamander that really enjoys peanut butter.
After reading the first volume of Manhattan Projects, I had high hopes that Manhattan Projects might be a new Preacher or Transmetropolitan for me, two series that I love and that are f—ked up beyond the ability of mortals to adequately describe. Four volumes in, I’m thinking it’s going to be more like a Brian K. Vaughn series (Y: The Last Man, Saga, Ex Machina) – entertaining, expertly crafted, and all kinds of weird, but not able to hook me in quite the same way, or inspire me to want to keep going back to reread (on that latter point, I’ll note that, for me, Transmet has held up better over the years than Preacher).
Still, BKV books are pretty good company—we’ll call it 3.5 stars. So, onward. But, not before I get another can of peanut butter for that salamander…
***This is the first of my "Indie Theme" Buddy Reads with the Shallow Readers, criteria being: something not published by the big 2.***
2.5 out 5 confusing as hell stars
Well the last volume started to go off the rails a bit for me and this one is full on train derailment with mangled bodies everywhere (i.e. not a pretty scene).
I really enjoyed the first 2 volumes of this zany retelling of history but this has just entered a totally random bizarre place that I just can’t get into anymore. I think Hickman is a big ideas man and sometimes his ideas get so big they blot out the sun and became a unfocused mess.
If you’re looking for a head scratcher something off the beaten path give this serious a go but I can’t really recommend this series either.
More crazy shit from Jonathan Hickman and company. If you recall Volume 3, the psychotic Joseph Oppenheimer double crossed the Manhattan Project team by going to JFK out of his own self interest and preservation and siccing Vietnam General Westmoreland on everyone's butts, which frankly doesn't make a ton of sense considering either Vietnam hasn't happened yet or they fast forwarded like twenty years without my noticing. Not a huge deal breaker in this historical science fiction, just a little weird when I really thought about it.
So Oppenheimer. He's sort of the leading man (men) here and the development doesn't disappoint. His brother Robert continues to escalate the war in his mind (the not-world) in order to gain control. Which makes sense if what Joseph said actually happened, that he consumed his brother Robert's soul, which seems true. So without spoiling anything, that does come to a head with satisfying if expectantly weird results.
The Manhattan Project team is at the mercy of Westmoreland, and because most of our characters are physically static there are flashbacks abound to explain what happens next. Feynman and Albrecht Einstein in their quest of Project Ares, perfecting the human species, are using the portal to jump around the multiverse to basically Frankenstein together the perfect being, which I just find absolutely fascinating. Needless to say they find a hyper intelligent being (albeit purposefully So Cal idiotic sounding) who has just the right number of brains who makes it back to the real world. As does a missing German physicist. Then shit gets fucked up (as it always does), conflict resolves, blah blah blah.
The Manhattan Project continues to fascinate me and this volume is no different. Hickman doesn't stretch too much here, the weirdness is still intact and the unpredictability is in full swing, but this storyline is more grounded.
I won't bore with a recount of the storyline, but Hickman takes one of the early twists and finally brings it full swing. It was an interesting moment when that gun went off and while you thought it is a good conclusion for the dead character, you soon realise there was more to that storyline. Hickman should stick with the Image line, he clearly has stories to tell and I feel this series is only the tip of the ice-berg.
Why the 4.5?
At this point of the series, I'm a fan and on that note this series delivers. I'm still two volumes away, but the local library does not have these so I'll have the chance to swing into something else for the duration. Manhattan Projects is close to the conclusion and Hickman has not failed me as of yet. Volume 4 leaves you hanging and it showcases the strength of the series.
Ctvrty volume je asi vrchol cely serie, hlavne cast s modrym emzakem je paradni a camea komiksovejch tvurcu v rolich Westmorelandovo vojaku jsou genialni. Einsteinuv prichod na scenu zase trochu zamicha kartama a pribeh posune dal.
Hickman is letting loose in the best way. Maybe the secret to his success is being allowed to go nuts with his content? I'm not sure, but this series is evidence that he's absolute ace when left to his own devices.
Two Einsteins in 1 book.. This is going to be epic ;)
And it was.. fairly interesting.. But not as much as I hoped for... I'll be crossing my fingers for the next volume to kick some more ass like it's predecessors.
As crazy and off the wall as ever, but still managing to tie up story lines. This volume could have stood as the final of the series, but I'm glad it's not, I don't think I could even get enough of this insane world.
You know what's frustrating about science comics? They put forth all these fantastic ideas, yet I still don't have the shit I'd like to have from science. I think my requests are pretty humble and reasonable.
1. A Sleeping Pill That Works Non-Habit-forming, timed out perfectly, and it doesn't put you into that Nyquil fog sleep or passed out drunk kind of sleep. It's exactly like real human sleep, but beginning and ending the moment I decide.
2. Robots Where are the robots? Seriously. Not nearly enough robots around, and the ones that are around don't look like weird skeletons and shit. They're just a welding tool on an articulated arm. No. Not good enough, science. At the very least, I'd like those little rectangular robot mice things that were always scooting around the Death Star. Even if they don't do anything, just for the sake of getting more robots in my life.
3. Space Tourism Theme parks on the moon. This is a classic sci-fi trope, and we can't do it? How come I can't stay in a hotel on the moon where I get a Travelocity deal and find out there's no view of Earth but instead an alley? I should be able to do that in space just the way I do on Earth.
4. Shit That Hovers I don't care what it is, the hover version is cooler.
I love Manhattan Projects. This volume just goes even farther into what I think will become the point of Manhattan Projects. The exploration of worlds.
It’s started as a bit off the rails fictional history sci fi.
But it’s grown so much. Oppenheimer has taken over and we got a new General in charge. But Robert and not Einstein have found intelligent life in another universe. They brought it back and after they’re imprisoned he’s coming for them.
Not Einstein is my favorite part of his volume. And I also really liked the Oppenheimer mind issue.
Manhattan Projects is a series that is about intelligence, evil, secrets, morality, and evolution.
Me he tronchado muchísimo con los anteriores pero se siente que con este que por fin todos los plot twist han convergido en un punto de absoluta locura hiper disfrutable.
This just might be my favourite volume of the series so far! It had me laughing out loud a few times. I'm debating giving it 5 stars, but I feel like there might be something missing to make the 'Amazing' rating official - like, for instance, where is the story going?
Keep an eye out for cameos by many Image Comics creators, including Scott Snyder, John Layman & Rob Guillory, as well as series co-creator Nick Pitarra! Most - if not all - of them get destroyed in many different ways.
And that four-brained blue alien who talks like Keanu Reeves in Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure. That's, like, so funny, man.
When you give Jonathan Hickman a big, shiny corporate superhero franchise like the Avengers or Fantastic Four, the result tends to be an intricate structure which - more than most stories - reveals itself best when contemplated as an intricate n-dimensional crystal. Whereas in a creator-owned (and thus surely more free) series set at the frontiers of science, he seems largely content to romp. A brutal, high-concept romp, for sure, but a romp nonetheless.
Esse quarto volume é o último da história principal da série. Os outros dois são contos com os cientistas. E dá para perceber que este é o último porque de certa forma eu senti um certo cansaço na hora de fechar o enredo. Os dois primeiros volumes são sensacionais e o terceiro tem umas ideias de virar a nossa cabeça. Esse quarto achei bem fraco se comparado aos primeiros. Hickman parecia estar arrastando o enredo e até apresenta um capítulo sensacional no meio de tudo, mas mesmo assim não me encantou. Precisei até reler para pegar algumas ideias dispersas.
Cuidado!!! Tem spoilers!!!
Esse quarto volume é bastante focado em dois personagens: Einstein e Oppenheimer. E eles representam dois sentimentos distintos vindos da ciência que são o poder absoluto e a curiosidade. Algo bastante curioso na série como um todo é que Hickman não estabelece uma divisão maniqueísta sobre quem é bom ou quem é ruim. Digamos que até certo ponto todos os cientistas são bem ruins na medida possível. Eles não se arrogam fazer algo maligno para cumprirem sua agenda. As disputas de poder estão mais em que direção o Projeto Manhattan vai se colocar no futuro. Oppenheimer procurou vender o programa para uma nação soberana que o permitisse fazer o que quisesse. Já Einstein tem uma curiosidade mórbida pela grande ciência. Não quer se atrelar tanto ao que as nações desejam e se concentrar naquilo que sua mente deseja ir atrás. Quem pensa que essas são noções contraditórias se engana porque em determinado momento Einstein faz uma ação que coloca todos em xeque e demonstra que essas são posições que podem facilmente trabalhar juntas.
Feynman e Einstein são apresentados como uma espécie de dupla dinâmica por todo o volume. Indo atrás de espécies alienígenas as mais diversas em busca de partes que possam ajudá-los a pesquisar uma maneira de evoluir o ser humano. Algumas das aventuras vividas por eles são bizarras. Esses são os momentos em que a arte de Pitarra descamba para aquela noção de azul e vermelho. Os cenários são completamente coloridos tendo essas duas cores como base. Quando estas cores tratavam de Oppenheimer demonstravam as diversas facetas de sua personalidade (já vamos discutir isso). No caso aqui, existe um mistério sobre a própria figura de Einstein que só vamos entender nos últimos capítulos. O cientista fica ainda mais maluco nesses capítulos e vemos algumas cenas onde eles colocam a própria vida em segundo plano. Algumas tiradas do Feynman são sensacionais. Uma pena que o Hickman não explorou mais a relação dos dois. Podia dar algumas aventuras bem interessantes ainda mais porque o Einstein não está nem aí para um senso de moral.
A ideia do Einstein de fantasia foi estranha, para dizer o mínimo. Como elemento de roteiro para provocar uma mudança no que estava acontecendo ao grupo que se encontrava nas mãos de Oppenheimer, achei forçado demais. De um nível de deus ex machina que beira o insano. Não gostei e acho que nem o próprio Hickman deve ter curtido. Mas, ele embarcou na viagem de ácido e nos coloca um Einstein agindo em um mundo onde as noções de magia e ciência são trocadas. Para poder fugir daquele lugar, Einstein vai precisar aprender... feitiços. A cena dele invocando uma bola de fogo me levou às gargalhadas, mas me incomodou. Porque a premissa da série é o de ciência levada para o mal e temos até momentos de conspiração baseados em um contexto e Guerra Fria. E todo esse desenvolvimento caberia em uma série de comédia que não se levasse tão a sério. Quebrou a minha expectativa total. Achei divertido, brincou com a contradição magia/ciência, mas me pareceu forçado.
Mas, vamos falar do elemento de enredo que achei sensacional que foi a mente fraturada de Oppenheimer. No volume anterior, Hickman revelou que Oppenheimer na verdade é a sua mentalidade Jonathan mesclada com a de seu gêmeo que não sobreviveu ao parto. O contato com a física estranha desenvolvida no projeto fez com que a mentalidade adormecida de seu irmão despertasse e buscasse ganhar espaço em seu cérebro. Enquanto o Oppenheimer original ia ficando cada vez mais insano, o seu irmão fornecia o equilíbrio. Mas, chegou um momento em que a mente pendia cada vez mais para a insanidade. O capítulo 19, com o título sugestivo de Oppenheimers Finitos, lida com uma guerra que acontece no inconsciente do personagem entre as duas facções buscando a dominância. Capítulo extremamente divertido e repleto de simbolismos que o leitor vai querer pescar. Por exemplo, o lado do Oppenheimer original é inteiramente voltado para a exploração do ego como algo grandioso e gigante, portanto sua representação é um Oppenheimer kaiju. Do outro, o irmão Jonathan busca reunir os esforços de vários exércitos para deter o seu irmão. O capítulo vai ficando cada vez mais maluco até a decisão final.
O final da série é tão abrupto que fiquei sem entender. Hickman não dá exatamente uma noção de desfecho tendo apenas finalizado determinadas situações específicas deste volume em particular. Fiquei sem saber acerca de várias situações que vinham acumuladas do volume anterior como o omnipresidente, os alienígenas presos dentro das instalações e até mesmo o futuro do grupo. Ou seja, Hickman opta por algo mais aberto deixando a imaginação do leitor. Por isso que fiquei frustrado quando descobri que o volume 5 parte de outras histórias e essa aqui realmente é o desfecho. Continuo sendo um fã do trabalho do roteirista, mas nas vezes em que ele erra, ele erra de forma espetacular.
Having read this issie I really wonder what kind of crazy fucked-up shit still possible CAN happen in volume 5 to keep this exiting. I think literally all nasty stuff possible in sci-fi happened in this volume. So naturally I loved it! :D Sometimes it is very redeeming and nice for ones head to read a bat-shit crazy comic with unexpected plot twists.
I'm not sure why I keep reading this series. I haven't especially enjoyed any of it so far. There are glimpses of brilliance, however; some moments are really interesting, but its mostly a mess of a plot.
Oppenheimer's battle within himself continues in a very dramatic fashion. I love the weird friendship between Einstein and Feynman, it's fun re-reading this series having almost completely forgotten where it's all heading.
This isn't getting any better. It's just making less and less sense. Why the hell are there two Einsteins now?!?
Still, there's only 1 volume left to go, so I guess I'll finish it, if only because I'm the one who asked my library to buy this in the first place. :(
Este volumen arranca repleto de acción. Tras los sucesos de las traiciones del tercer volumen, el equipo se encuentra fragmentado. Tienen que tomar decisiones, el status de algunos personajes cambia, etc. El número de Oppenheimers infinitos llega para ponerle una conclusión a la Guerra Civil del Oppenmundo, y la conclusión es muchísimo más explosiva y sorprendente de lo que esperaba. Hickman nos cuenta lo que vivió el Albert Einstein original tras ser capturado dentro de la puerta interdimensional. Su historia es una locura, y me gustó ver que Hickman se puede adaptar perfectamente a la fantasía o la ciencia ficción de una página a la otra. Con tantas traiciones y cambios de motivo, creo que se ha perdido un poco el enfoque o la meta de la serie. Ya no tengo idea de hacia dónde van. ¿Desean dominar el mundo? ¿Quieren conquistar el universo? No entiendo muy bien cuál será la meta, pero me puedo atrever a suponer que los personajes se enfrentarán ya que todos tienen motivos diferentes. Lo lógico sería que en ls siguientes volúmenes veamos una guerra entre ellos por el dominio galáctico. Que los personajes detrás de esta guerra sean Einstein, Oppenheimer, Roosevelt, etc. Hace que esta historia sea extremadamente divertida y demente. Aún perdiendo un poco de enfoque, sigo enganchado y ahora más que nunca, quiero saber qué les sucederá a los personajes.
Johnathan Hickman and Nick Pitarra's "The Manhattan Projects, Vol. 4 The Four Disciplines" is a wild alternative history of the Manhattan Project. The writing is sets a fast pace through the many characters who are well known in the making of the atomic bomb project of WW2. The artwork is well done with a clean, uncluttered style in the style of Moebius. Readers of WW2 will be familiar with the names but not the stretching of the personalities of the historical figures of Albert Einstein, General Leslie Groves, Robert Oppenheimer, Gen. Westmoreland, and Richard Feynman. Read it and enjoy. Don't get too hung up on the way the creative team has done to those real people.
Still not sure where all this is headed with two volumes left (feel like I just said this as I was reading through Paper Girls), but here I continue to care less and less about these characters. It’s a weird story about weird science but…nothing that happens in this volume seems to be of deep consequence? It also felt wholly deflating to spend so long on this Oppenheimer civil war to have everything come to this sort of sudden close at this point in the narrative arc. Definitely was feeling the influence of Quitely here — the undercarriage of the blue alien was VERY reminiscent of Parasite as he grew in All-Star Superman.
For whatever reason, this one was a bit more engaging than the last couple. The flow is starting to remind me of a season of American Horror Story - leaning into its own inconclusive weirdness. I don't read a lot of mainstream comics so maybe that's a typical feel.
I enjoy its violent humor enough to finish it, but it can't seem to keep up the visual/narrative surprises that made the 1st issue fun. It's Fineeeee.
I don't know what it was about this volume, because it's as bonkers as the ones that came before it (or maybe that's why), but I felt like its chaos was at its most understandable, despite dimension-hopping variations of characters and an entire galactic war happening inside one of them. I just felt very in line with the groove of madness here. This fuckin' thing? Sure. That fucking thing? Totally. I'm in for whatever they want to obliterate, reconstruct, and drag through the nether realms.
Honestly the volume was better than the rest. By itself it is really quite good. It really is weird and funny and has plenty of action.
I still give it 4 stars but honestly I think the story as a whole is not all that interesting… it’s just kinda one weird thing after another with a little bit of plot to keep you going. I will finish the story (I’m about halfway through volume 5 now and there is only 1 to go) but it’s only so/so
(Rod Serling Voice) Imagine, if you will A world where the greatest scientific minds those who ushered in the modern age were also comic book grade super villain level bat shit crazy
The Manhattan Projects is just such a world Einstein Oppenheimer and all the greats of 20th Century science recast as Mad Scientists This book is so amazingly clever
My favorite has got to be evil Einstein so brilliantly original