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彼氏彼女の事情 [Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou] #8
Kare Kano: His and Her Circumstances, Vol. 8
After Soichiro threatens Yukino's status as most popular, Yukino tries to regain her idol-like popularity, struggling with her own inner problems while they develop a unique relationship.
216 pages, Paperback
First published September 10, 1999
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About the author
Masami Tsuda
102 books127 followersTsuda (津田雅美) is a tea-loving, crazy manga-ka who lives in Japan. Her most famous work that has been translated into several languages is Kare Kano (or His and Her Circumstances).
Tsuda likes operas, historical sites, and classic children's tales.
Tsuda likes operas, historical sites, and classic children's tales.
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July 9, 2020
Me gusta mucho la idea que tiene Yukino sobre crear un entorno propio, de esta forma no dependes emocionalmente de tu pareja y evitas verla como todo tu "mundo". Me refiero a que tienes de donde sujetarte si terminan o sucede algo malo, además es una buena manera de fomentar el amor propio.
Ahora bien, todo esto es irónico si vemos la perspectiva de Arima. Es curioso como Yukino piensa que ella es la dependiente y que Arima es el que tiene todo un "mundo" aparte de ella, cuando la realidad que dejó ver la introspección de éste demuestra todo lo contrario. Solo basta ver la actitud que tomó Arima con Tonami.
De todo corazón, espero que la relación de Arima y Yukino no se vuelva enfermiza.
Ahora bien, todo esto es irónico si vemos la perspectiva de Arima. Es curioso como Yukino piensa que ella es la dependiente y que Arima es el que tiene todo un "mundo" aparte de ella, cuando la realidad que dejó ver la introspección de éste demuestra todo lo contrario. Solo basta ver la actitud que tomó Arima con Tonami.
De todo corazón, espero que la relación de Arima y Yukino no se vuelva enfermiza.
June 8, 2021
I watched the show of this when I was like 15 and my love for these characters remains to this day. So I rewatched the show this week and I'm reading the manga for the first time!! It's my first time reading manga and I'm loving it more than I thought I would??? Might actually find more shows and manga to watch/read.
I also love that I can imagine their voices in my head thanks to the show heh.
I also love that I can imagine their voices in my head thanks to the show heh.
May 22, 2020
[5/10]
Chapters 32-36
Chapters 32-36
September 24, 2023
Me gustaría que todo estuviera mucho más centrado en Yukino y Arima, son mis favs pero bueno.
April 9, 2020
Creo que el tomo fue muy lento, creo que se han enfocado mucho en los preparativos del festival en lugar de la comedia romántica
Lo que sí me agrada ver que están desarrollando otros personajes, sin embargo estos personajes NO ME INTERESAN :(
En cuanto me gusta ver otras facetas de Arima, sin embargo creo que su comportamiento no corresponde, idependiente de su pasado.
Lo que sí me agrada ver que están desarrollando otros personajes, sin embargo estos personajes NO ME INTERESAN :(
En cuanto me gusta ver otras facetas de Arima, sin embargo creo que su comportamiento no corresponde, idependiente de su pasado.
May 20, 2021
Kare Kano is a gut-wrenching and wild ride. If you have only seen the anime, then you are missing a lot of the meat of this story. Kare Kano follows the story of Yukino who strives to be an image of perfection. She’s beautiful, is at the top of her class, and seems naturally good at everything she tries. However, this perfection is a complete facade. Yukino’s home life reveals her to be a messy, rude, narcissist, who is obsessed with being the best. Yukino’s obsessive pursuits seem to be fueled by the praise and admiration she receives from those around her, it becomes clear that she has a crippling fear of failure. Meanwhile, her class rival, Soichiro aims for perfection for entirely different reasons. Soichiro’s perfect life aims to conceal his dark past as he tries to make up for the abuse and trauma he faced as a child. He clearly has an overwhelming fear of loss and rejection.
Throughout the story, these two characters’ lives intertwine as they learn one another’s secrets and help one another work through their problems. Each of them grows as individuals separate from one another, but they also grow as friends and eventually a couple. If you have watched the anime, then your perception of this story is probably that it is a romantic comedy. While you are not necessarily wrong, this manga reaches levels of depth and darkness that the anime definitely does not prepare you for. This story tackles topics like self-harm, suicide, domestic abuse, sexual assault, and unwanted pregnancy, and a whole slew of mental health-related issues. While the manga covers much of these topics with noticeable care and sensitivity, I will say that given that the manga ran from the mid-’90s to the early ’00s, its understanding of some of these issues can feel quite dated at times.
There are elements to this story that I think are actively harmful. Specifically, the great length’s to which Yukino attempts to heal Soichiro’s dark past. This establishes a narrative in which a woman’s strength is defined by her ability to stand by her man no matter what. Unfortunately, that kind of storytelling has real-world consequences no matter how realistic the depiction is in this case. While it is not at the forefront of the story-telling, this manga also perpetuates the idea that girls should pursue older men; that they have more to offer and are simply more suitable partners than more age-appropriate options. This is a sentiment that I absolutely do not agree with, and I believe it to be a harmful trope.
That being said, while this story is quite dark at times it has an undeniable honesty and relevancy to the narrative. In many ways, it feels realistic, even if it is uncomfortable, which is probably why so many manga readers still flock to this series years after its publication. If you liked Fruits Basket or Mars, then I think you would enjoy Kare Kano. I think Fruits Basket does a better job unpacking different kinds of trauma, especially in regards to toxic masculinity. However, for better or worse, Kare Kano never relies on metaphor or fantasy to soften the blow of hard-hitting topics and in that way feels all too real in its delivery.
Throughout the story, these two characters’ lives intertwine as they learn one another’s secrets and help one another work through their problems. Each of them grows as individuals separate from one another, but they also grow as friends and eventually a couple. If you have watched the anime, then your perception of this story is probably that it is a romantic comedy. While you are not necessarily wrong, this manga reaches levels of depth and darkness that the anime definitely does not prepare you for. This story tackles topics like self-harm, suicide, domestic abuse, sexual assault, and unwanted pregnancy, and a whole slew of mental health-related issues. While the manga covers much of these topics with noticeable care and sensitivity, I will say that given that the manga ran from the mid-’90s to the early ’00s, its understanding of some of these issues can feel quite dated at times.
There are elements to this story that I think are actively harmful. Specifically, the great length’s to which Yukino attempts to heal Soichiro’s dark past. This establishes a narrative in which a woman’s strength is defined by her ability to stand by her man no matter what. Unfortunately, that kind of storytelling has real-world consequences no matter how realistic the depiction is in this case. While it is not at the forefront of the story-telling, this manga also perpetuates the idea that girls should pursue older men; that they have more to offer and are simply more suitable partners than more age-appropriate options. This is a sentiment that I absolutely do not agree with, and I believe it to be a harmful trope.
That being said, while this story is quite dark at times it has an undeniable honesty and relevancy to the narrative. In many ways, it feels realistic, even if it is uncomfortable, which is probably why so many manga readers still flock to this series years after its publication. If you liked Fruits Basket or Mars, then I think you would enjoy Kare Kano. I think Fruits Basket does a better job unpacking different kinds of trauma, especially in regards to toxic masculinity. However, for better or worse, Kare Kano never relies on metaphor or fantasy to soften the blow of hard-hitting topics and in that way feels all too real in its delivery.
September 7, 2023
3.5 rounded down since even though I'm so invested and want to see the plotlines pay off all the time spent on Tonami just drains me.
The Tonami x Sakura plays how'd you think it does. Its just eh. Not my cup of tea. Hopefully after this they become side characters who do the bickering lovers shtick just so they're more page space for something I'd find more interesting. Tonami just isn't super interesting to me. He's a person who tried to rapidly and forcefully change himself. But he's such an ass to his family and many around him. And he's not in tune with his feelings. I'm sure the payoff is that he'll slowly learn this rapid change was in a wrong direction and try growth that is more positive… but rn he's unlikable. A neat concept but an execution that makes a character I'm iffy on.
The cultural festival starts to lag a bit with the extra plotlines like Tonami and a sudden hurricane chapter. Its not helped that there's a oneshot that takes up what would've been two or three chapters of more content. So you get a bit of a clunky volume of plotlines squeezed into the cultural festival with no or little payoff yet.
Not to say the extra is bad. I mean I don't care for the Tonami x Sakura stuff (especially the development of Tonami not realizing Sakura wants a more relaxed relationship). But the hurricane chapter wasn't bad just weirdly placed. It feels almost like one of those extra chapters series sometimes put in a volume or two. So it just felt weirdly inserted. And there is such Tonami. Like, he has the Sakura pairing and this weird deal with being scared of Soichiro becuase neither properly talk it out so he thinks he's on a hitlist or something.
I just wish there was more of the main plotlines of Soichiro's mental health and the cultural festival / pulling off the play. Instead we get a bunch of stuff about Tonami and the cast just being friends. Not bad but feels a bit stalling.
The oneshot is ok. Its mostly there to show off the love triangle which is good since Tsuda writes it with fun dynamics. But geez did the teasing guy go too far. I mean, someone comments what he does could count as sexual harassment. If his teasing was toned down to be less sexual it would be better to me.
Also… why is one of the side characters dating a guy in his 20s or 30? EW! Why? The writer friend is such a good friend but why did that have to be put in there?
The Tonami x Sakura plays how'd you think it does. Its just eh. Not my cup of tea. Hopefully after this they become side characters who do the bickering lovers shtick just so they're more page space for something I'd find more interesting. Tonami just isn't super interesting to me. He's a person who tried to rapidly and forcefully change himself. But he's such an ass to his family and many around him. And he's not in tune with his feelings. I'm sure the payoff is that he'll slowly learn this rapid change was in a wrong direction and try growth that is more positive… but rn he's unlikable. A neat concept but an execution that makes a character I'm iffy on.
The cultural festival starts to lag a bit with the extra plotlines like Tonami and a sudden hurricane chapter. Its not helped that there's a oneshot that takes up what would've been two or three chapters of more content. So you get a bit of a clunky volume of plotlines squeezed into the cultural festival with no or little payoff yet.
Not to say the extra is bad. I mean I don't care for the Tonami x Sakura stuff (especially the development of Tonami not realizing Sakura wants a more relaxed relationship). But the hurricane chapter wasn't bad just weirdly placed. It feels almost like one of those extra chapters series sometimes put in a volume or two. So it just felt weirdly inserted. And there is such Tonami. Like, he has the Sakura pairing and this weird deal with being scared of Soichiro becuase neither properly talk it out so he thinks he's on a hitlist or something.
I just wish there was more of the main plotlines of Soichiro's mental health and the cultural festival / pulling off the play. Instead we get a bunch of stuff about Tonami and the cast just being friends. Not bad but feels a bit stalling.
The oneshot is ok. Its mostly there to show off the love triangle which is good since Tsuda writes it with fun dynamics. But geez did the teasing guy go too far. I mean, someone comments what he does could count as sexual harassment. If his teasing was toned down to be less sexual it would be better to me.
Also… why is one of the side characters dating a guy in his 20s or 30? EW! Why? The writer friend is such a good friend but why did that have to be put in there?
This entire review has been hidden because of spoilers.
December 26, 2019
Tonami yang dimusuhi oleh Arima berusaha keras untuk baikan. Apalagi dia sudah menyatakan perasaan pada Tsubaki dan perasaan itu berbalas. Harusnya... dia bahagia kan? Tapi Tonami malah resah... akrena Tsubaki tetaplah sesosok pribadi yang tidak mau terkekang oleh apa pun.
Sementara itu, karena hujan badai, Arima yang mengantar Yukino pulang dipaksa menginap oleh keluarga Yukino. Mereka semua sangat menyukai Arima. Dan ketika berada di rumah Yukino, Arima merasakan kehangatan keluarga yang membuat dia tenang... hingga dia pun bisa tidur tanpa mimpi buruk. Ayah Yukino yang yatim piatu, dapat menebak dengan tepat bahwa orangtua Arima yang dia kenal bukanlah orangtua kandung. Mereka sesungguhnya paman dan bibi Arima.
(Cerita tentang orangtua kandung Arima sangat rumit dan menyakitkan... akan dibahas di volume-volume berikutnya)
Sementara itu, karena hujan badai, Arima yang mengantar Yukino pulang dipaksa menginap oleh keluarga Yukino. Mereka semua sangat menyukai Arima. Dan ketika berada di rumah Yukino, Arima merasakan kehangatan keluarga yang membuat dia tenang... hingga dia pun bisa tidur tanpa mimpi buruk. Ayah Yukino yang yatim piatu, dapat menebak dengan tepat bahwa orangtua Arima yang dia kenal bukanlah orangtua kandung. Mereka sesungguhnya paman dan bibi Arima.
(Cerita tentang orangtua kandung Arima sangat rumit dan menyakitkan... akan dibahas di volume-volume berikutnya)
February 11, 2018
Un bel volume che vede come maggior protagonista Tonami che abbiamo conosciuto lo scorso volume e capisce quello che prova nei confronti di Sakura. Mi è piaciuta questa parte più riflessiva della storia, visto che anche i nostri protagonisti Yukino e Arima riflettono molto sul loro rapporto e i loro sentimenti. Non mi ha molto preso la storia autoconclusiva che c'è come extra, carina di partenza ma viene sviluppata male e in maniera frettolosa.
November 18, 2023
I like Sakura and Tonami together! I rarely care about side characters’ relationships but I’m really interested in this series.
I really liked the conversation that Arima had with Yukino’s dad at the end. It was nice seeing Yukino’s family being so welcoming. Arima deserves that love, whether he believes it or not!
I really liked the conversation that Arima had with Yukino’s dad at the end. It was nice seeing Yukino’s family being so welcoming. Arima deserves that love, whether he believes it or not!
November 22, 2018
Este tomo me ha gustado bastante. Seguimos con las historias del festival, y parece que Soichiro tiene problemas con la independencia de Yukino... Puede que parezca que no pasa gran cosa, pero me gusta este ritmo lento que tiene la serie, saboreándola.
June 11, 2018
V. cute. Nostalgia!
December 6, 2019
4,5 stars
December 15, 2019
Starting to get a bit more cringe than usual, especially with The Raging King chapter at the end.
March 6, 2023
Carino…mi aspettavo qualcosa di più, ma dolcissimo il momento tra Arima ed il padre di Yukino
December 2, 2016
Another good volume.
April 18, 2016
Today's post is on Karo Kano: his and her circumstances volume 8 by Masami Tsuda. As it is the eighth in the long running series you need to have read the first seven to understand the story. It is 216 pages long and is published by Tokyopop. The cover has Yukino on it looking at the reader. There is no language, no sex, and no violence in this volume. The intended reader is someone who likes manga, high school romance, and drama. The story is told from third person close of Soichiro and Yukino. There Be Spoilers Ahead.
From the back of the book- As preparations for the culture festival continues, Soichiro realizes that there are actually two sides to his personality, one that is gentle and giving, and one which is frighteningly violent and possessive. It is a development tath hasn't gone unnoticed by Yukino either, and she worries that it will damage their relationship. Meanwhile, Tonami and Tsubaki finally realize that they have fallen in love with each other.
Review- The blurb makes the plot sound much more intense that it really is. Yes, Soichiro is dealing with some jealously but he is not dangerous. He does not attack or hurt anyone. He ignores them. That does hurt Tonami's feeling but they are working it out. The real plot is Yukino and her friends are going to do a play for the school festival and all that chaos with it. Soichiro is trying to handle loving and being loved in return as best as he can. But with his damaged background of rejection from family, that makes it hard for him. But I know that there is more Drama ahead.
I give this manga a Five out of Five stars. I get nothing for my review and I bought this manga with my own money.
From the back of the book- As preparations for the culture festival continues, Soichiro realizes that there are actually two sides to his personality, one that is gentle and giving, and one which is frighteningly violent and possessive. It is a development tath hasn't gone unnoticed by Yukino either, and she worries that it will damage their relationship. Meanwhile, Tonami and Tsubaki finally realize that they have fallen in love with each other.
Review- The blurb makes the plot sound much more intense that it really is. Yes, Soichiro is dealing with some jealously but he is not dangerous. He does not attack or hurt anyone. He ignores them. That does hurt Tonami's feeling but they are working it out. The real plot is Yukino and her friends are going to do a play for the school festival and all that chaos with it. Soichiro is trying to handle loving and being loved in return as best as he can. But with his damaged background of rejection from family, that makes it hard for him. But I know that there is more Drama ahead.
I give this manga a Five out of Five stars. I get nothing for my review and I bought this manga with my own money.
February 21, 2009
So Tonami's big thing is making Tsubaki notice him, and he realizes what he felt for her wasn't hatred. His thoughts about Soichiro pissed me off a little, because it seemed a little juvenile. "I want to be your friend for real" or whatever the exact sentence was...??? But it seems people are unraveling their masks so that's good, I guess.
Tsubaki's reaction of thinking it was enough to love and not wanting to be smothered was rather interesting. She's a character I'd like to know more of.
Despite my griping, I do find this series interesting. I was hoping for the play to be performed in this volume, though! Back to the library to check out the next one, then...
Tsubaki's reaction of thinking it was enough to love and not wanting to be smothered was rather interesting. She's a character I'd like to know more of.
Despite my griping, I do find this series interesting. I was hoping for the play to be performed in this volume, though! Back to the library to check out the next one, then...
March 2, 2012
Picking up where the previous volume left off, author Masami Tsuda's manga romance/comedy continues to follow the stories of a number of high-school students. The artwork in this installment is so strong that it actually changed my mind about the story involving Tonami, the transfer student introduced in the previous volume. I'm particularly fond of the flashback sections featuring Tonami as a chubby boy; they help to explain his low self-esteem. In this volume, Soichiro and Yukino, the main characters, come to the foreground again, with Soichiro trying to reconcile two different aspects of his personality: kind and giving, and angry and possessive.
February 28, 2016
Nell'ottavo volume de Le situazioni di lui & lei viene esplorata la relazione tra Takefumi e Tsubaki, che risulta abbastanza interessante.
Arima, invece, comincia a dimostrare una preoccupante possessività nei confronti di Yukino. Che la sua parte dark si stia facendo sempre più strada in lui?
Il volume si conclude con una storia autoconclusiva, che per la prima volta non mi è piaciuta e mi ha lasciato perplessa: ho trovato il personaggio maschile davvero troppo violento e, quella tra i due, un pessimo esempio di relazione.
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Arima, invece, comincia a dimostrare una preoccupante possessività nei confronti di Yukino. Che la sua parte dark si stia facendo sempre più strada in lui?
Il volume si conclude con una storia autoconclusiva, che per la prima volta non mi è piaciuta e mi ha lasciato perplessa: ho trovato il personaggio maschile davvero troppo violento e, quella tra i due, un pessimo esempio di relazione.
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October 21, 2011
Tonami's and Tsubasa's relationship develops in an interesting way; not quite what I'd expected.
The last quarter of the book is a side story, in which the female character somewhat reminds me of my fiancee at times.
The last quarter of the book is a side story, in which the female character somewhat reminds me of my fiancee at times.
August 30, 2007
A love story that revolves around highschool students but remains interesting to span 20+ volumes. The art is unique and comical.
May 1, 2014
#Program BUBU
Pertama kali dibeli dan dibaca pada tanggal 1 Mei 2005.
Wow, tepat 9 tahun lalu ya...
Pertama kali dibeli dan dibaca pada tanggal 1 Mei 2005.
Wow, tepat 9 tahun lalu ya...
October 11, 2011
Just a heads up: One third of this book is a one-shot story having absolutely nothing to do with Kare Kano.
March 25, 2012
I keep expecting Arima to do something violent, because they keep saying hes possessive and violent. But I liked the book, I can't wait to read about the Culture Festival!
February 28, 2016
Actual Rating : 3.1 / 5
More of the same like from Volume 7. Dark Arima, relationship between Sakura and former-fat-boy, etc. Relationships aren't as complex or as traumatic as I hoped...
More of the same like from Volume 7. Dark Arima, relationship between Sakura and former-fat-boy, etc. Relationships aren't as complex or as traumatic as I hoped...
June 1, 2021
Una storia bellissima e appassionante.
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