This was an early version of the beginning of Thorn's story. You can now read the improved, official story in A Demon in the Dark, the first book of the Thorn trilogy.
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Thorn has established himself as the most powerful demon in Atlanta, but when an old friend comes to town to challenge that, things are bound to change.
I received a free copy of the first two books of the Thorn Saga from Netgalley. I was enticed by the synopsis, it sounded like a demon turf war in Atlanta. I was expecting fantastic fights, betrayals and back-stabbings; and lots of generally demonic stuff. Excitement, action, intrigue...
The book was nothing like I was expecting. This isn't about monsters, it is about personal demons. Ingle's demons are ex-angels, that all lost their wings and their corporeal form when they fell to Earth. They drift along as ancient shadows, jealous of the humans who can touch, feel and smell the world around them. The demons are driven by a need to cause death and despair to humans - it is almost currency amongst demons. A high-rated death can be of great value.
And how do they achieve this? They whisper. They sit on their victims shoulder and whisper their biggest insecurities and weaknesses until they crack. The demons can't actually read people's minds, but for ones like Thorn with a millenia of experience, they know the best lines and most likely topics.
As Thorn hovers around his victims, I was both amused and disappointed with the things he was focussing on. I mean sure, logically a lot of suicides and murders etc stem from cracks in the foundation, but it was really quite mundane and human how Thorn pressed that "you're fat" and "you're ugly", "buying something expensive will make you feel better". It was really very petty. But at the same time I was chuckling away at it; every time Thorn was whispering, I had a little voice in my head "cake is the devil" "sexy clothes are the devil" "consumerism is the devil" "drink is the devil" "foreigners are the devil"
And what about when your personal demons have personal demons? Thorn is the top demon in Atlanta. He is also a coward. He hides behind his reputation and position, knowing that no one would dare touch him. But when they do, he shrinks away from pain and bemoans the injustice of it all. Thorn knows that his old friend Marcus intends to drive him away and force the local demons to follow a new alpha. Thorn sees Marcus and his minion here and there, but does nothing. He shies away from ever confronting them, and spends his time musing over his past and the angels.
I just got bored, and even though it's only about 80 pages long I struggled to plow through. There's a lot of musing and reminiscing and very little actual interaction (beyond pulling the strings of his human puppets) or plot. I have the second book, but I'm not in a rush to start it.
Thorn the demon is just bad. He is everything you would expect from a demon that just pushes misery into the minds of people. He plants a seed of negativity in people then that negativity expands and consumes. He encourages murder, suicide and other evil behaviors. I just found the whole story to be depressing. My main problems with this book was that the characters are not likable or interesting in any way. The writing was good but I can’t hate everything in a book and still enjoy the book. The morality issues weren’t even what made me not like this book. It just didn’t have any redeeming qualities. It had an interesting concept and good writing but that was about it.
I didn't make it very far into this book, let alone finishing it. That being said, let me try to explain why I felt this book wasn’t the right choice for me.
Thorn is the story of a demon, and demons generally veer toward the bad side of things. In this book, the demons’ purpose is to push negative thoughts on people and encourage those thoughts to grow and fester.
In the short bit that I read, Thorn talked about a murder-suicide he was working to make happen, and how he couldn't get a different person to commit suicide yet. The world is filled with enough news stories that are sad and depressing. That is not what I want out of a story I'm reading for an escape. Although the cover copy indicates that Thorn may become good, there was no hint of that in what I read. I didn’t see any evidence that Thorn was going to be different from the other demons or have some redeeming qualities.
This is probably a case of giving up too soon, but there are so many books that I want to read that I’m not going to force myself to read something if it’s just not working for me. Every time I thought of picking this back up, I rejected it because I didn’t want to read about someone being belittled, or hurt, or told that they’re unattractive or not good enough. The negative beginning may be needed for the book to pay off later if Thorn undergoes a transformation, but it was enough that I found it offputting.
Although the subject of the writing didn’t work for me, the writing itself was well done and I enjoyed some of the images the descriptions evoked. I found the demons themselves interesting, especially how they were not corporeal beings. Rather than interacting with the landscape and tangential items, they could float their body where they wanted it to be. However, they were corporeal to each other, as Thorn is able to be beaten. This is an interesting choice, and I liked that it wasn’t just a case of a demon inhabiting a body in order to roam the earth.
Although I decided not to finish this story, I encourage anyone to check it out if the darker tone would not bother you.
I got both the first and second books in one package from NetGalley, so this review is posted for both. Originally posted on Teal Deer Reviews.
The Thorn Saga follows a demon named Thorn, who's spent the past centuries since his fall from Heaven tormenting humans into suicide, murder, and other unsavoury crimes. While waiting to take the credit for a murder-suicide, Thorn is struck down by a friend-turned-enemy, Marcus, and is set on a path towards renouncing his demonic behaviour and maybe, just maybe, becoming an angel again.
Both books are very short (80 pages for the first one and 100 pages for the second, approximately) and suffer somewhat for it; in the first book Thorn's beginning change of heart is extremely abrupt, even though a good chunk of the story is devoted to paragraphs of ethical and philosophical musing. Nothing really happens outside of this, and the characters we're introduced to have no real depth. I personally found the Judge jarringly annoying, with dialogue that rang hollow and seemed completely out of place, and the dialogue written for Shenzuul (an African demon) is cringe-worthy. It's barely above 'me Tarzan, you Jane' level. To be honest, the demons all seemed petty and childish, but I didn't get the feeling that this was done on purpose; maybe I'm just looking for more awe-inspiring and badass in my supernatural creatures and less of the annoying parts of humanity. The humans themselves are just names with no real depth to them, except possibly for Amy. Thorn whispers bad things to them and then they die.
Ingle isn't a bad writer, however. He's created an interesting story that could ask some good questions about morality and whether bad people can become good again, but it both drags and is over too fast. There was really no reason to split the story into two books except for the sake of a cliffhanger. Ingle has promise, but he needs to tighten up his stories and give the reader more of a reason to get emotionally invested.
Full disclosure: I received this e-book from NetGalley in return for an unbiased review.
So the main character is a demon who makes his living by going around whispering in people's ears to try to subtly convince them that they should kill themselves, and or other people... What's not to like?
Look, I'm all for anti-heroes, and bad guys being main characters, but there still needs to be some element of likeability, or subtlety to the characters that makes them interesting enough to get past the obviously overwhelming number of things to hate about them.
Thorn is a demon who suddenly feels threatened when another demon begins to encroach on his turf in Atlanta - although it really could be any generic city - and he gets into a power struggle that has been going on for millenia... Yada yada yada...
There are some interesting characters, although the author often has a generic string of 'followers' assisting the main characters who are both nameless, forgettable and meaningless. There is just no emotional investment, and I couldn't bring myself to either feel sorry for Thorn, or to give a shit about who wins in this cosmic game of murder-all-the-humans.
If there is one saving grace, the book is short... like really short. But it is also a downfall, because I think if the author had allowed himself more time to explore the nuances of what was going on, bring in more characters, and justify some of the tension he is trying to build, it could have worked better.
I received a copy of this book and the second through NetGalley in exchange for an honest review, but unfortunately I could not get more than a third of the way through the second one before I just stopped caring enough about the book to keep reading.
Thorn had an interesting enough premise, and with a little more ideation I felt that it could have been a success.
***A complimentary copy of this read was furnished by NetGalley in exchange for an unbiased review*** ***My NetGalley version combined books one and two. The same review is posted on GoodReads for Book 1 & Book 2*** Thorn, the reigning demon of Atlanta, loved his job. Whispering malice in unsuspecting ears, convincing people it was both their right and their duty to choose evil at every turn. On his way to incite a double murder, in a blinding rainstorm, Thorn's powers are unexpectedly stripped from him, his minions have fled and he has pain as he's left to wallow in a puddle. Who dares do this? To humiliate him?
The one who dares to gather Thorn's followers, strip his powers and kick him when he's down is his millennia old enemy, Marcus. Looking for Marcus' expulsion from the city so he can reclaim his unofficial crown and position, a shadow of his former self, Thorn is alone, in pain, frustrated and afraid. He's missing his 'friends', those he 'loved'. Perhaps the seeds of humanity are developing.
Thorn isn't a gray hat. He's a black hat wearing, greasy mustache twirling, dastardly plot creating, toss the women and children onto the expressway from a plane so they'll die on the way to splat, breathe life into them so he can drown them, sadistic anti-hero. He's unadulterated, undiluted evil. Thorn looks for redemption and justice but won't abandon his desire to retrieve what was stolen from him.
This reader was excited get both books 1 and 2 of a fantasy with a demon that lived for anarchy. Unfortunately my joy was extremely short lived. For my taste, darkness in moderation is fine but light is required, redemption as well possibly. In my opinion, I am not the target for this read. The audience that enjoys unrelenting darkness in a read could completely immerse themselves here with joy. Rating:2 stars
**Note: this review is written having the first 3 books in the Thorn Saga, but does not contain any specifics or spoilers for any of the books. It is mostly just an impression of the worth in reading the entirety of the series or at least getting started with book 1 as an introduction.
Thorn is something that may feel familiar in terms of stories or tropes or characters you've seen before but immediately takes everything you know (or thought you did) about demons, angels and the like and turns it on it's head. Never before have I read such a complex gray character being torn between his morality and his charge, and it's so fascinating that he starts as very much a bad ass mo****f****r and grows from there. Joshua Ingle, who from what I have discovered is a newly-published author, surprises and excites with every chapter. Every story beat feels like it's deliberately designed to tell a careful serialized narrative that weaves you through Thorn's dark complex journey but also builds the world sufficiently that you care even for various minor humans that Thorn comes across. Each chapter is a bite sized morsel of a short burst that keeps you turning the pages and certainly all three of the books I have read all end in staggeringly realized cliffhangers or endings that ramp up any anticipation for the next novel in the series. I'd be very happy to keep reading one of these every year or so for the rest of my life, not to mention it would be awesome to see a TV or film version of this character and this story!
First off, This is an Excellent read! Highly Recommend it! I don't know how the other reviewer's are saying "there is no light" um, ya Thorn is a top notch demon. Maybe you guys missed the part where he battles with himself over wanting to return to being good.
Anyways, this story is awesome. Yes, it's very dark but it is very thought provoking. If you are easily offended by touchy subjects such as suicide, murder, or evil than this book may not be for you.
I really wanted to love this book, but sadly, I do not. Reading the blurb Thorn sounded a fantastic character, deliciously evil but develops a conscience. From the outset Thorn is at odds with himself and too much time spent on self questioning. I didn't get half way through before I gave up.
Thorn by Joshua Ingle is first in the Thorn Saga and follows the demon Thorn. This Netgalley copy actually contains the first two books in the series. Thorn rules supreme in Atlanta, Georgia, commanding an army of lesser demons. He and his wreak havoc among the spiritual landscape, subverting humans as they please. That all ends when Thorn finds his powers gone, just when an old rival enters the scene. As one might expect of demons, Thorn’s minions and 'allies’ flee his side, abandoning their now weak leader.
Bereft of his powers, Thorn begins to question everything he thinks he knows. He begins to desire to change- to be good, something no self-respecting demon would want. Desperate to protect those he's come to care about, Thorn takes matters into his own hands. He earns his place back as head of Atlanta's demons, though part of the price to pay for this uneasy truce is that Thorn must take a demon named Shenzuul under wing, teaching him how to corrupt humans. But Shenzuul isn't all he appears and Thorn's rival isn't as diminished as hoped. No, he has a most unpleasant plan in mind.
This reminds me somewhat of Crowley in Supernatural, as the King of Hell began to gain a soft spot for the Winchesters, and became more willing to inadvertently help humanity through helping the Winchesters (though they rarely seemed grateful for his assistance when given, no matter how useful it may have been). Of course, Crowley helping them started as self-serving behaviour, but he definitely changed, just as Thorn begins to change. Crowley doesn't really have the moral dilemma Thorn does, at least he didn't til the Winchesters tried turning him human. Despite that, Crowley does adhere to a strict code of ethics as he defines them. Thorn seems to begin doing likewise.
I found the storyline interesting. It poses philosophical questions regarding the nature of good and evil, and if those things are ever truly set in stone. Thorn certainly starts out very much on the evil side. He's thoroughly unlikable. Sad to say, he never really grew on me. He may have, if I'd continued with the series, but I wasn't motivated. There were parts where the dialogue felt stilted, and parts where action seemed bogged by more telling than showing, which lost my engagement at times.
Worth considering if you enjoy stories grounded in Christian mythology, or tales of moral quandary.
***Many thanks to Netgalley and City Starlight Press for providing an egalley in exchange for a fair and honest review.
Thorn by Joshua Ingle. For decades, Thorn has reigned as the most powerful demon in Atlanta, lurking in the spirit realm, whispering lies to unsuspecting human ears, commanding all other demons to do his bidding. But when Marcus, an old demonic rival, returns from exile to attack Thorn unexpectedly, Thorn finds his power ripped from his grasp. Wounded, desperate, and abandoned by his allies, Thorn is forced to ask himself questions—forbidden questions about demonkind’s place in the universe. Questions that threaten to undermine everything Thorn and his fellow demons have believed for millennia. With enemies closing in from all sides, Thorn grows ever more desperate for a way to escape his vicious life and to keep the people he loves safe in the process. But Thorn is a vile, wicked demon who has committed unspeakably evil acts. He could never truly love someone. He could never become good. This was a very enjoyable read. I liked the story and some of the characters. I liked the fight between thorn and the judge. Especially when he possessed Amy. Looking forward to the next book. 5*.