What are the best things in life? Questions like that may boggle your mind. But they don't boggle Socrates. The indomitable old Greek brings his unending questions to Desperate State University. With him come the same mind-opening and spirit-stretching challenge that disrupted ancient Athens. What is the purpose of education? Why do we make love? What good is money? Can computers think like people? Is there a difference between Capitalism and Communism? What is the greatest good? Is belief in God like belief in Santa Claus? In twelve short, Socratic dialogues Peter Kreeft explodes contemporary values like success, power and pleasure. And he bursts the modern bubbles of agnosticism and subjectivism. He leaves you richer, wiser and more able to discern what the best things in life actually are.
Peter Kreeft is an American philosopher and prolific author of over eighty books on Christian theology, philosophy, and apologetics. A convert from Protestantism to Catholicism, his journey was shaped by his study of Church history, Gothic architecture, and Thomistic thought. He earned his BA from Calvin College, an MA and PhD from Fordham University, and pursued further studies at Yale. Since 1965, he has taught philosophy at Boston College and also at The King’s College. Kreeft is known for formulating “Twenty Arguments for the Existence of God” with Ronald K. Tacelli, featured in their Handbook of Christian Apologetics. A strong advocate for unity among Christians, he emphasizes shared belief in Christ over denominational differences.
An amazing little book that packs a very meaningful punch. I highly recommend it for anyone who is looking to dip their toe in the world of philosophy, and also for anyone who is looking to understand some of the very complex contemporary issues.
I enjoyed reading this, particularly the first part of the book. I felt the second part was a bit weaker. Also, I couldn't give it five stars due to the "natural law" approach which assumes that all people, using right reason, will come to agree on such weighty matters as objective truth and values, the purpose of life, etc. However, the Bible seems to indicate that we have a tendency to suppress the truth in unrighteousness and therefore more than "right reason" alone is required.
Peter Kreeft is known for writing in the dialectic style. Though Kreeft is famous for using this style, he does not pull it off in this book as well as he does in some of his other books. This book is written as a dialogue or series of dialogues between Socrates and two University students. ‘Peter Pragma’ and ‘Felicia Flake’ both of whom have 6 discussions with Socrates on different subjects.
That is just the beginning; the names are all puns in the book, as we have seen from our two main protagonists(Peter and Felicia). The puns continue through all the professors and personalities encountered. The president of Desperate State University is “Fudge Factor” and is as inept as his name implies. We also meet “Marigold Measurer”, the scientist who is addicted to data but without really understanding its purpose or use. Felicia has some mentors in her life - “Pop Syke” who is the guru of pop psychology, and “Karl”, the communist who is brother to “Adam”, the Capitalist.
Having read a number of Kreeft’s other books, this one was a bit of a letdown. The puns with the names got to be so trying and tiring that it was hard to finish the book. The same information could have been conveyed in conventional prose, with half the words. The dialogue grew boring and irritating. I just wanted the meat from this book and had to go through a lot of bone and grist to get to it.
The book has a lot to offer in the examination of why someone does what he does, and to help one live a more examined life. But the book often does it in a very long, roundabout way.
I never like to give a book a bad review, and often go back and read a book a second time before I will do so. This book, though hard to get through the first time, was more than worth it the second time. It teaches you the basics of philosophy, the Socratic method, as well as the Oxford method, for having an argument or discussion.
Much like some of his other writings - for example, Between Heaven and Hell and Making Sense out of Suffering - this book is one I will return to and re-read many times during my lifetime. So even if it seems cheesy and trite at first, I encourage you to persevere. It will be well worth the effort.
(First Published in Across the Creek 2007-04-02 "Book Look' Book Review column.)
This book offers an insight into the intellectual landscape of the 70s and 80s. Kreeft disrupts the prevailing fact-value distinction of his day and this marks him as a reasonable voice in an unreasonable environment. More than 40 years later, the landscape has shifted dramatically but it is still gnarled with some of the same ideas. Kreeft also brings a good bit of humor to the book which makes this a fun read.
Peter did it again! He applies philosophy and logic to prove God is the Alfa and Omega He tackles the Pop Culture values of hedonism and subjective values head on and brings it down! Socrates is the foil he uses to help us all think it through. READ IT and THINK ABOUT IT>!
“…что касается знаний, все люди в мире делятся на две категории: глупцы, которые считают себя мудрецами, и мудрецы, которые считают себя глупцами. То же касается и нравственности. Есть только два типа людей: грешники, которые считают себя святыми, и святые, которые считают себя грешниками.”
This was a much more intriguing book than the Unaborted Socrates book by Peter Kreeft. I really liked the easy application of philosophy in the conversation between Peter, Felicia, Socrates, and the various "guests" that they encountered. Not quite a 5, but a very high 4.
I am giving this book 4 1/2 stars because it was too short.
Socrates the corrupter of youth and iconoclast extraordinaire is at it again and is loose on the campus of Desperate State University trying to spread what he and his acolytes call "the good infection." Anytus of Athens, who was one of the three who tried to save Athens by having Socrates executed, issues a timely warning in the forward of this edition, "This man may seem to you a harmless crank, even a wise man, perhaps; but he can tear down a whole society, I assure you. He did it to ours. He taught us to question our old gods, the foundation of our state. He will pull down yours, too, if you listen to him. This very book dethrones the two great gods of your society, Power and Pleasure, and puts in their place only a vague, invisible deity Socrates will not even name.
...He even once sculpted a pedestal without a statue and cut the inscription "to the unknown god." (He was a stonecutter.) It was this very inscription that rabble-rouser Paul of Tarsus referred to when he preached to the philosophers on Mars Hill, where the statue of the gods stood. (Acts 17). He said, "the god you worship in ignorance I now declare to you." It was the same God, the destroyer of secular utopias-yours as well as ours...Socrates questioned the old gods; Paul introduced the new God. If Socrates had not dethroned the old, there would have been no searching, no room for the new. I warn you, He will do the same thing to you."
Postscript:
NEWS ITEM: The ACLU and the Moral Majority have cooperated in an unprecedented way in response to a perceived public threat. They have obtained a restraining order prohibiting a man identified only as "Socrates" from appearing on the campus of Desperate State University. Both groups agree that he is a dangerous, incendiary figure sowing discord wherever he goes. He is also a suspect for the crime of environmental vandalism. They think he is responsible for the epidemic of broken and fallen idols and trashed false gods and worn out ideas that have been discarded on campus.
The Moral Majority claims he has been "corrupting the minds of the young," and the ACLU merely refers to him as "an enemy of the people." He was apprehended and escorted off campus and is now being held in the psychiatric ward of General Hospital for observation.
I can't remember WHEN I got this book. I think it was a decade ago, but it sat on my shelf. That's too bad, because it would have helped to read it then, rather than now.
Peter Kreeft is an ardent Christian. You should know that up front, because the book tends to move toward the Aquinas arguement that because there is non-subjective ultimate good, there must be a God. But that is only the last 1/20th of the book. He does a great job of relating morality and ethics to modern "moral relativity" thinking that pretty much tears that philosophy apart. The shallowness of the sex, drugs and rock-n-roll culture, and the pop-philosophy that emerged in the 1960s is very well confronted wtih logical thinking regarding the desired outcomes of ones life.
His treatment of Communism vs. Capitalism (argueing they are equivalently deficient) I think is too pat and based upon some flawed definitions of what Capitalism represents. He also makes some "this is, therefore this must be" arguements that I would pause to question the "obvious" suppositions...
Overall, though, I would recommend this for YOUNG readers, high-school to college age (though my 13 year-old daughter read it) to allow them to test their emerging paradigms against logical argument.
Hilarious in places, engaging, excellent synthesis and application of key Logic concepts, as well as Socratic philosophy - even some Tolkien and Lewis thrown in! I would like a few spots to include more detail - for example, when one character asks, "what is real?" Socrates responds with, "what is true." Though I agree with this, the character responds in the affirmative, instead of asking the next question most of my students would employ: "what is true?"
What a fascinating book! Interesting conversations with Socrates on subject close to the hearts of college students. The logic is so brilliant, I laughed with delight. And my boys are enjoying it to. May have to get a few more copies. This book is definitely one that my high school students will be assigned.
By two stars, it was genuinely okay. And- I'm glad I read it. I both liked and hated it.
Summary: In The Best Things in Life, Kreeft imagines conversations Socrates might have on a college campus (Desperate State University) today with two students - Peter Pragma and Felicia Flake. Conversation topics bounce around in Peter's chapters on the purpose of education, careers, technology, AI, superstitions, and success/the greatest good. With Felicia, Socrates tackles happiness/pot, music, sex/love, sexism, communism/capitalism, and especially our idea of objective values. Push-backs: First, my complaints... it is corny... painfully so. Every chapter starts with some straightforwardly corny statements and jokes. His representations of the college president, another professor, a new age guru, Karl Marx and Adam Smith were all so overly parodied, it was difficult to take them seriously. And his conversation sparring partners (Peter and Felicia) were hardly up to snuff.
Second, Socrates felt pretty Christian. He quotes scripture, along with numerous other contemporary philosophers and writers, which was fine, but to me, Socrates seemed to have more of a Christian agenda than I would've expected.
Third, and this is relatively minor, there are no references or bibliography. Kreeft literally references and quotes dozens of other writers and thinkers, but never tells us who he's referencing. For one wanting to know more, it was frustrating.
Fourth and final, some of the arguments were less than convincing. Some were great, but discussing AI seemed way over simplified and naive (the book was written in the 80s...), and the one on superstitions I don't think would convince anyone. In short he argued against the claim that "Santa Clause doesn't exist," referring also to God, because it's impossible to know the reaches of the universe and a finite mind like ours cannot claim to know whether anything or anyone could exist or not because we cannot know the ends of the universe. I mean, come on. On some level, interesting point, but it's a very modernistic question that I feel fewer and fewer are asking or care to rebut.
Okay - finally final, most people today will be annoyed by the philosophizing I think. We generally don't elevate Reason like Socrates (or Kreeft) does, which means the arguments often don't resonate. I think (and this is mostly ignorance speaking), Kreeft is making modernistic arguments that just don't fly for we postmoderns... which isn't a word.
Conclusion: All that being said, I (mostly) enjoyed and appreciated the dialogues and seeing the Socratic method in practice. In pursuit of the "best things in life," I think it did well to ask some of the bigger questions and wrestle with them. And - Socrates and basic philosophy is another gap in my education, so that was a plus.
Take-aways Three quick thoughts that I really appreciated:
In discussing career and a liberal education, Socrates says, "Then we must consider two questions: what ends they serve and how well they serve those ends. If one of them helps you to a better end, or better helps you to the same end, it would be the better thing to choose, wouldn't it?"
... obviously better in context, but that was a helpful idea for me, as I'm looking to make another career change. The discussion of ends and means was delightful.
In discussing technology Socrates says that all the premodern philosophers "agreed that the most important thing in life was somehow to conform the human soul to objective reality..., which was gods, or God, or the will of God, or the laws of God. Even when the philosophers substituted Justice for Zeus and Beauty for Aphrodite and Truth for Apollo, the great task of human life remained essentially the same: to conform the soul to these divine, superhuman realities." (p.41)
For me, that is a profound and moving idea that corresponds to my own journey toward God and wrestling with faith. The Christian, biblical God remains as much (or more) hidden as she is revealed, which confounds and enriches this pursuit of divine mystery.
Lastly was this fun quote, again of Socrates: "The world, it seems to me, is divided into the wise who know they are fools, and the fools, who think they are wise." Hopefully our folly isn't merely false humility. As others have said, "Age makes fools of us all," so we might as well be gracious to others.
If you're curious about Socrates or appreciate the Socratic method, or if you enjoy wrestling with "the best things in life," and you're willing to overlook the corny, terrible parodies and (modernistic) Christian undertones, this might be a good book for you. Mostly I enjoyed it. Kreeft is a thoughtful writer.
Peter Kreeft's series starring Socrates (mysteriously alive and well in our time), is always a fun read. Socrates questions all of our assumed premises that we tend to not think through, and shows how our foregone conclusions really aren't as obviously true as we might like to think. This book deals with the question of what really matters in life. What is worth pursuing and what is not? As a series of dialogues, the book is a short read for the number of pages. Some of the dialogue can be a bit contrived to make a point, but it's still a humorous application of logic that may just get you in the habit of examining ideas more carefully, and that is always a good thing.
Kreeft wrote a series of books using Socratic dialogue and Socrates as an interlocutor to address various philosophical issues. They are entertaining and insightful for presenting issues. This one is one of the initial four he wrote with the other three being, Between Heaven and Hell, The Unaborted Socrates, and, Socrates Meets Jesus. (If you enjoy reading Socratic dialogues, read all four). This one sets place on a fictitious university named Desperate State where Socrates discussed with university students about the purpose of life, career, technology, happiness, moral life, and, other life issues. This book would be useful as reading for an intro to philosophy class in addition to personal leisure reading.
I did not like this one as much as The Unaborted Socrates. Some chapters were really good. Others were kind of meh. Overall, it is still a good read that will help you think through some key ideas we hold as 21st century folks. Some good questions asked were: Should the state promote virtue? Can a society be built primarily on financial goals, that is prosperity? Should people use to drugs to escape? What is an honest/true feeling? Why can certain things not bring ultimate happiness? And many others.
Taking Philosophy 101 in college peaked my interest in logic, reason, and the like. But it wasn't until 8 years later that I read this book and discovered how foundational those things are.
This book is both playful and easy to read, but it is significantly powerful at the same time for a beginner philosopher. It's fitting too that the setting is a University - that sealed the deal for me. I'll read this again in a couple years to further absorb the basics of reason.
Wanted to read this because Jack struggled through it for his lit class. I now am empathetic because I slotted through the first third and called it quits. I don’t know if I’m just not smart enough to get it or maybe just too illogical but I found the chapters that I read dry and repetitive. I guess it’s good that I majored in history and not philosophy.
A whimsical Socratic dialogue addressing opinions and values in modern society on topics like the greatest good in life, music, and objective values. Captivating at times, and wonderfully written, but got lost in the rhetoric and lost interest the other several times.
"If the end is not a good one, what great difference does it make which means is more effective in leading to it?"
Written in the mid-1980s, this is the story of Socrates on a modern college campus talking to students. It is well-written, and holds up pretty well, but I thought the college students were too much of charactachures. The author made their personalities too extreme.
I simply love this book; Kreeft manages to out-Socrates the real Socrates himself, which is a big accomplishment.
I would have given this 4.5 stars if I could, because I found just a very few arguments a little weak. However, it’s still the pagan Socrates, so how fussy can I be about it?
Thought provoking while at the same time entertaining and enjoyable. The dialogue between Socrates, Peter, and Felicia left me questioning and examining my own beliefs and assumptions. The topics that are discussed with Socrates are very relevant to today.
Simple to read and easy to recommend, Kreeft, through his jovial Socrates, pokes fun at the pointlessness of so many of modern man’s goals, and invites the characters in the story, and ourselves, to set our life in motion down a worthier path.
“I’m confessing to you that I may have reduced the perfection of the Creator to the feelings of a creature, that I have been trying to take the place of God as the standard of goodness. Thats not an easy thing to admit.”