Když je objeven jedovatý artefakt známý jako červivec, je jen jediná bytost v podzemní říši skavenů dost zlá a nemilosrdná na to, aby se opovážila spoutat jeho strašlivou moc: šedý věštec Thanquol. Ale když je artefakt ukraden pašeráky, nemá Thanquol jinou možnost, než jej získat zpět. Jako by to samo o sobě nebylo dost obtížné, do cesty se mu staví tajemný čaroděj se svou tlupou pomahačů. Thanquolovi nezbývá, než najít červivec, vyhnout se vražedným pokusům svých zrádných nohsledů i nelibosti svých nadřízených, aby mohl naplnit svůj plán srazit na kolena říši lidí i svých krysích příbuzných...
More a decent 3-3,5 read, but Skaven were a fan favourite of mine and my players friends when I used to gamemaster Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, so nostalgia factor rised for good final vote. And that reference to Little Tilea neighborhood in Altdorf... why I never thought using that in my scenarios/adventures?
An entertaining read if you are a diehard fan of Games Workshop old fantasy setting, far better than the current one, and a must read if you've enjoyed Thanquol as a villain in the Gotrek & Felix series, just not a good starting point for readers approaching for the first time to the grimdark Old World.
I love Warhammer Fantasy. The Skaven are great villains. And C.L. Werner is a talented writer. Suffice it say, I loved this: a deeper look into the demented (and often darkly humorous) world of the underfolk. My first experience with Werner's fiction was his *Mathias Thulmann: Witch Hunter* novels, which were excellent: Gothic, atmospheric, and visceral. After those I read his *Black Plague* novels, which are set in the pre-history of the Warhammer Fantasy setting. Those were great too, truly epic in scope with some surprisingly emotional moments. This first novel in the series was my third foray into Werner's work. This series is different, more lighthearted than the *Thulmann* novels and less epic in scope than the *Black Plague* novels (which treat historical level trends in the Warhammer Fantasy world, specifically the Empire of Man). (Side note: I *really* want to finish this series but it looks like the subsequent volumes are collectible and the omnibuses collecting them all are *really* expensive). This novel explores one of the main villains from the *Gotrek and Feix* series, the evil Skaven Grey Seer, Thanquol. Nominally it also includes Thanquol's pet rat ogre, "Boneripper," but Boneripper is less an individualized character and more of a mindless minion. The name "Boneripper" is just a placeholder for a rat ogre bodyguard Thanquol keeps replacing). One of my favorite parts of this novel was the Grey Wizard (Shadowmancer), Jeremias Scrivner (I can't help but think Werner based Scrivner off of the famous pulp-era hero, "The Shadow"). Too bad Jeremias didn't get his own series. Would love to learn more about that awesome character. To summarize: probably the best Warhammer novel to focus exclusively on the Skaven.
My trip through Grey Seer was much like pushing a rock over a hill, starting gruelingly slow, then sharply picking up speed once I crested the apex. All the bits with Thanquol are a treat, with his cunningly doomed attempts to either gain favor and/or usurp his betters while staving off his own underlings making for some great dark humor. The initial human focused parts of the tale were somewhat lacking though, with it taking what felt far to long for the smugglers to conclude that the magical macguffin (that they had already thought was dangerous and bad news, mind) might be the thing causing them to drop off one by one. Once this conclusion was reached, however, the plot quickly accelerated to an overall satisfying conclusion.
I start reading this book last year in July when I received it as pre-order (as I always do with all black library books). Being a C L Werner title I had to read it immediately as I did with his previous novels (Palace of a Plague Lord and Blood for the Blood God) but this novel had something even bigger. It was a Thanquol novel. Having read the Slayer novels by William King and considered that the main arch-rival of Gotrek and Felix (which was the one of the best portrayed characters on all warhammer world) was getting a series I had to read it...
As I said I started on July but only finished on the fifth of January.
I really don't know why I didn't read it alltogether and from the beggining to the end since I remembered that I was loving it. Well, as I stayed for five days in the hospital I made myself promise that I would end all those books I started and didn't finish. This was done and I am very pleased with myself.
C L Werner is to me one of the greatest writers in Black Library. That is true. Thanquol is one of the coolest character in the Warhammer World. That is also true. Books with skaven are never to many. True as well. So nothing could go wrong.
Thanquol was done perfectly by Werner. As I was reading the book I didn't thought that Werner was very different than William King. I think Thanquol was the only one who gained with this change of writing style and writers.
The other characters were given their own time and Werner builds them nicely even if they are out of light compared with Thanquol.
We are given great insights about the Horned Rat religion and society. I think that this was done perfectly and it did felt like an alien society something that other writers would fail to distance them with us.
Now the plot... The Council of Thirteen (the rulling leaders of the skaven society) force Thanquol to reocver a rock called Wormstone (a toxic version of Warpstone plagued by the Horned Rat). We are given several informations about the skaven society and how they rule with their politics. At the same time a band of smugglers (humans) stumble and recover Wormstone to make a profit from it.
The narration switches between the skaven and human characters. Myself, I didn't care about the human part. They were inconsequential. Strange or not so strange human and skaven societies are not different. We are given in-fights between several skaven characters and human alike.
Another good thing that I liked was the band of unlikely heroes that protect the human city from the skavens since nobody believes that they exist. They are like myths.... The human leaders perpetuate this notion or else something worse could happen to them... The only thing I didn't enjoyed that much was the human characters (in the beginning of the book I didn't care about the smugglers and that's why I only give 9 out of 10). I know Werner can make excelent human characters. Bruner and Mathias come to mind. But this ones were weak. (But this doesn't change a thing about my love with this book).
If you enjoyed this book read Skavenslayer which was the first book we were intoduced to Thanquol (and the biggest until then participation) or wait for the second book on this series... Temple of the Serpent coming in a few months.
Personnally I am a fan from C L Werner and I also have bought one anthology that he made a short story about a ronin. I didn't get the chance to read it so far but I will read it to understand how he writes other fiction besides warhammer. I and Werner have being talking from some time and he sent it Runefang (another novel in warhammer world) with a dedictatory. It was great of him. I will try to read it in the following months and review it.
A word of praise for him and I hope he continues to write novels to Black Library since he does it so well. I read in the black libray blog that he is going to write a novel with Wulfrik the Wanderer. How delightful. This is him... (no, not Werner, the character).
This entire review has been hidden because of spoilers.
Grey Seer by C.L. Werner is a dark, mysterious book about one of the Skaven's (a.k.a rat men) most devious leaders: Grey Seer Thanquol. The Skaven race was built on the deeds of cutthroats and backstabbers. Every Skaven holds a grudge against all of their peers and would sell out any of their friends to save their own skin. Those who hold power in the Skaven heirarchy usually do not do so for long as others have their ways of "leveling the playing field". It takes an especially clever and cunning Skaven to hold onto their power and Grey Seer Thanquol has done just that. By manipulating his enemies and staying steps ahead of would-be killers, Thanquol has slowly risen up the ladder of Skaven society. Now, when he is offered a seat in the Skaven leader's "Council of Thirteen", Grey Seer Thanquol will go to whatever costs to secure his position there. This book really impressed impressed me because of the way the author "opened up" the Skaven society to his readers. C.L. Werner created a society of monsters unlike anything I have ever read before. The ratmen's city was well described and left a visual imprint in my mind. The characters acted in ways that were disgusting and cruel to read about, but fasinated me at the same time. To read about something so full of malice and evil was shocking, but left me to wonder what they would do next. The fighting in this book is fantasitic as it was espeacially intresting to see all of the Skaven's insane inventions and magical powers. However, there were times when all the Skaven's mad plotting and double crossing got a little overhwelming; and then eventually it got bland. Overall, i thought it was a solid book and would recommend it to anyone who likes a good dark, depressing story.
“Deep under the world they chitter and plan, watching, waiting…” What better way to describe the Skaven, the scourge of the world in the warhammer fantasy setting. This ratmen wish to conquer all in the name of their vile god, The Great Horned Rat, and none have done more to accomplish that than the protagonist of this novel: the grey seer Thanquol. Like most of his kind Thanquol is willing to sacrifice anything, or anyone, to achieve his goals (to be the most powerfull skaven in the world). Unfortunately for him luck is not on his side most of the time and his intricate plans have been foiled more times than he can remember by the heroes of the elf, men and dwarfs. In this novel Thanquol is sent to the skaven city of Under-Altdorf by the Council of Thirteen, the ruling body of the Under-Empire, to search for a weapon that could destroy the Empire of man.
The novel is full of the silly shenanigans of the skaven as they try to retrieve the weapon from a group of humans. With an action based narrative and the usual exagereated epicness of the warhammer world “Grey Seer” does a wonderfull job at describing the skaven and their society while presenting characters with a surprising emotional depth.
I recomend this book to fans of warhammer who don’t yet know of the skaven and to new people who are curious about the setting but don’t want to start with a dense novel.
GREY SEER is a decent romp in the Warhammer setting. I think Werner does an excellent job of presenting Skaven personalities in a believable way. He does an fine job of depicting the intrigues of the "rat" society. As a Skaven player of the table top game, Warhammer, it was fun to see characters that I have used in my games and read about come to life in the pages of GREY SEER. However, this is generic fantasy at best and reads like 100's of other novels I have enjoyed. I certainly did enjoy it, but it is limited by its genre. Werner does the very best he can with what he has to work with. The book is extremely fun but not particularly memorable.
Grey Seer is an "OK" romp through the darkness underneath the Old World. There seemed to be a bit of filler polluting the book as the story constantly bounced between several groups of characters of wildly variant importance; some offer little-to-nothing and you're left scratching your head why you bothered. My biggest gripe was the token paranoia of Thanquol and other members of the Skaven race was dribbled on about far, far too much, but at least this was consistent. The battle at the end was quite entertaining, if a little formulaic, though.
I really wanted to love this book, but I just couldn't really get into the characterisation and expositional style the author used. My Warhammer knowledge is a little patchy now, so I can't recall how many of the characters already existed within the Warhammer canon, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was only Thanquol, as only the grey seer was really developed enough to have his own voice and style. Everyone else was just caricatures or interchangeable with each other.
The mighty sorcerer Thanquol is alive, and any imbecile can see that is clearly a victory in and of itself! But the Council of Thirteen did not agree. The Skaven rulers expected Thanquol to capture a certain Dawi airship, and they were not amused by his failure. But Thanquol will show them who the real genius is. Thanquol will show them all!
This is one of the 6 books on the USB key in the collector's edition of Total War: Warhammer 2. The titular character was previously a villain defeated over and over in separate Gotrek & Felix books, but fans loved him so much that he got his own book line! And Thanquol is not alone: Boneripper, a mutant rat ogre, is his bodyguard. It's like Pinky and the Brain, if Pinky sacrificed himself to save Brain every episode, forcing Brain to repeatedly rebuild him... Sometimes from scratch, sometimes not.
After being judged by the Council, Thanquol is tested and found to remain in the favor of the Great Horned Rat. Meanwhile, a weapon of unimaginable destructive power has been located, a weapon so powerful that whatever Skaven clan possessed it would be hideously overpowered. The Council directs Thanquol to take Kratch, the only Skaven to know the weapon's location, and return it to Skavenblight.
Opposing Thanquol is... Darkwing Duck. I wish I was joking, but this dude is literally the terror that flaps in the night. If that sounds ridiculous, then you're right: it is... And that's half the fun!
This book was an absolute hoot to read, but I did get a wee bit upset that this maniac isn't in Total Warhammer 2! (Yet??) It isn't clear how a Thanquol-led faction would work, but if the battles in this book are any indication, it would be non-stop action!
Ahh Thanquol, Thanquol, Thanquol. Probably one of if not my most favourite Warhammer character. He is the Skaven in a nut shell. He blames all his faults on his underlings and those he can't outright blame he accuses of treachery and scheming behind his back to take all his hard working glory. I read the 3rd book in this story many years back and I don't know why its taken me this long to read the first one, it was awesome.
The Good Stuff
- Its kind of a typical Warhammer story, evil Skaven trying to kill the residents of the Empire and someone has to stop them. But I like that about these novels. Not every Warhammer book needs to be a huge series or End Times level drama. Sometimes a good novel just needs memorable characters. And Thanquol is definitely a memorable character.
- He mentions Gotrek and Felix a few times and its great that he references the events in those books.
- The way he refers to humans and talks about how attached we are to our "human breeders" made my wife laugh
- Honestly just about any Warhammer novel that has Thanquol in it is a total win
- We are officially on Boneripper no.2 for those keeping count 😄
A great above average Warhammer novel spin of that took a minor character and gave him his own story. And this is a great start, although so far I'd have to say the 3rd one is the best so far 😊🙌🏻🙏🏻
Thanquol is the best part of the WH novels, or one of them at the very least. Genuinely funny. He's so profoundly irredeemable that he becomes loveable. He's so absurdly delusional that he becomes brilliant.
Thanquol will keep doing horrible things, betraying anyone at the first sign it may benefit him, never learning his lesson and invariably twisting the reality to whichever narrative portrays him in the best possible light. He will stumble through huge events, beyond fucked up on skaven drugs, and somehow come out on top every time. The part that ties this delusional, irredeemable, bumbling rat together is that he is truly formidable and competent when pressed.
I didn't expect to love any of the Warhammer IP novels...I just got into a few due to being a fan and treated them as sort of mindless fun. Admittedly, much of it is. However, Thanquol is truly a great character. No, he isn't nuanced or possessed of any particular depth of soul or conflict. He's just hilarious and beyond immoral in every decision yet somehow you kinda root for him.
If you are a Warhammer fan, I'd say this rate 4 stars.
C.J. Warner reveals the secretive, incredible, frightening, and hopeless empire of the Skaven.
For someone starting out as a player or reader of the Warhammer world, this is probably not where you want to start. There are many references the author does not explain that would be lost on a beginner. However, I think a fantasy fan would enjoy the novel without a prior education in Warhammer.
One name lord Skrolk. He is skaven with unique talents and very good adversary to anybody who dares. Thanquol has lot of problems and lot of enemies on his back and he showed that he was worse to his own then to enemies of skavendom. The warped warp stone which brought doom to anybody, who touched it was in play and frankly said it was the secondary goal for the grey seer who sought only the power over his furry nation. Yes,yes.
A really funny book about a Rat Wizard’s evil scheme. The treacherous race of rat men called Skaven have little regard for each other, sacrificing countless in their pointless subterranean wars. Devoid of empathy though retaining their fear of cats, the treasonous little fleabags scheme, betray, pilfer, and murder all out of their own self interest. Overall, Grey Seer was very funny, though morbid read.
This was a slow, tough read. Parts were fantastic - almost entirely Skaven parts - but it just drags on and on. The human parts were “necessary” to the story, but I really just did not care about all the shadowmancer stuff. Just a really boring character.
At chapter 11 I gave up, skipped to the end, and then read the synopsis on the wiki to fill in the blanks. I guess that’s sort of a DNF, but after reading this for more than a month at a snails pace, I just wanted to be done with it.
This was absolutely fantastic. I adored this book in every sense of the word.
Thanquol, and the skaven as a whole, were, as usual, incredibly entertaining -- and, unlike a lot of other books I've read where some POV chapters aren't about the title race, the humans in this book were actively engaging.
Overall; I just really, really enjoyed it! I desperately want to read the sequels now, so thanks for that, because I can hardly find them anywhere. 😒
Thanquol was great as always, there is something about this villain who Is so unlucky to be surrounded by a lot of wittless cretins. Easy plot with good atmosphere, only ending was a bit of a mess. Too much backstabing for my taste. Poor Boneripper though.
The first third of the book was somewhat slow; this makes sense, as it sets the stage. I imagine this can be especially challenging given that the main character, Thanqual, is a Skaven.
However, the story picked up significantly in the final two-thirds, culminating in a truly epic and brilliant ending! I’d probably rate it closer 4.5 stars due to the initial pace.
The diverse Skaven and human characters are a fantastic inspiration for my Warhammer Roleplay games. I look forward to reading the next 2 books in the series.
Une excellente surprise que ce roman Warhammer. Je n'en attendais pas grand chose, au pire une histoire mettant en scène mes petites bestioles préférées, les skavens. J'en ai eu, du skaven, mais pas que. L'intrigue croisée avec les humains et l'énigmatique Jeremias Scrivner est très rythmée, et apporte tout son cachet à l'histoire. Après, le suspense concerne surtout le "comment cela va-t-il terminer ?", et pas forcément le destin des personnages. Des personnages si emblématiques s'en sortent toujours.
Reste que si je dois replonger dans Warhammer, je veillerai à retenter les romans des CL Werner.
This wasn't the best book that I have read. It's based in the Warhmmaer world, that's all right but I thnik anyone not intrested in that will propably get bored with this book. All characters (and there's a whole bunch of them) meet and fight, than they split, fight again, and again!!! I had this feeling that this was as predictable as a Bollywood movie! Alltogether, It's not bad but it didn't suck me in. A good read just for Warhammer fans.