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Thor: The Eternals Saga #2

Thor: The Eternals Saga, Vol. 2

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The war between gods and Eternals may be over, but Thor's still left to face the Fourth Celestial Host - along with the fearsome Fafnir, the devastating Destroyer and, as ever, the larcenous Loki! Plus: a gathering of gods! The mystery of Mother Nature! The legends of Asgard across the millennia as told by the ultimate Eye-witness! Guest-starring the Valkyrie and the Young Gods! Collects Thor #292-301.

216 pages, Paperback

First published March 21, 2007

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Roy Thomas

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Roy Thomas was the FIRST Editor-in-Chief at Marvel--After Stan Lee stepped down from the position. Roy is a longtime comic book writer and editor. Thomas has written comics for Archie, Charlton, DC, Heroic Publishing, Marvel, and Topps over the years. Thomas currently edits the fanzine Alter Ego for Twomorrow's Publishing. He was Editor for Marvel comics from 1972-1974. He wrote for several titles at Marvel, such as Avengers, Thor, Invaders, Fantastic Four, X-Men, and notably Conan the Barbarian. Thomas is also known for his championing of Golden Age comic-book heroes — particularly the 1940s superhero team the Justice Society of America — and for lengthy writing stints on Marvel's X-Men and Avengers, and DC Comics' All-Star Squadron, among other titles.

Also a legendary creator. Creations include Wolverine, Carol Danvers, Ghost Rider, Vision, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Valkyrie, Morbius, Doc Samson, and Ultron. Roy has also worked for Archie, Charlton, and DC among others over the years.

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Profile Image for Robert Garrett.
185 reviews8 followers
June 5, 2021
The so-called “Eternals Saga” did not originally have that name. The issues collected in these two volumes (which I am here reviewing jointly) were published in 1978-1980, when few, if any, foresaw comics story lines being collected into trade paperback form. THOR, like most other Marvel titles, was simply an ongoing monthly serial, and the “saga” collected here begins directly where the unincluded previous issues left off. To be fair, readers will find all the information that they need to get up to speed, and the last two issues do jointly provide a strong conclusion.

Along the way, the story - if these collected issues can indeed be deemed one story - goes in many directions. Thor meets the Eternals and learns of the cosmic Celestials’ pending “judgement” toward Earth. There are mysteries and conflicts between characters (Some of these are introduced here and a few are from earlier issues). Then, all of this is temporarily dropped to bring us adaptations of Richard Wagner’s four “Ring of the Nibelung” operas(!). Finally, we return to those earlier mysteries and conflicts and experience their resolutions.

Taken as a whole, it’s all a little uneven. The Eternals elements are a case in point. Those characters guest star for much of Volume One, but I never sense that writer Roy Thomas has a good handle on them. Instead, it feels that he’s “checking boxes” - steadily parading the characters and elements (e.g., the Celestials, the Inca temple and the Uni-Mind) that fans of Jack Kirby’s original series would expect to see. Thomas does show a fondness for Karkas and attempts to expand on the mythos of the Forgotten One, to whom he grants the new designation of “Hero” (Later writers would call him “Gilgamesh.”). Most other ETERNALS characters are present but receive little time to shine, and Eternals fans should note that that group barely appears at all in Volume Two. To be fair, this is Thor’s comic, and contemporary readers might have been happy to at least see Kirby’s stories continued, rather than ignored. Opinions might be mixed on where Thomas takes them, however, as I do feel that some developments go against the spirit of Kirby’s themes (I don’t believe that Kirby, for example, would have had the Eternals attempt to attack the Celestials, as Kirby showed again and again how and why that was a foolish endeavor.).

Fans will also have mixed reactions to the books’ in depth examinations of Marvel continuity and cosmology. There are plentiful connections drawn between previous Thor stories - a few of which date from many years prior - and these are also tied to new details on the nature of Marvel’s various pantheons and attempts to reconcile traditional Norse mythology with Marvel’s version of it. Such a tapestry clearly took considerable thought, and I was impressed by the effort - some of which may well have been a labor of love - that went into it. That said, there are also times when the narrative becomes bogged in exposition. Some might deem such moments “navel gazing” and bemoan the verbosity. Others might relish the “world building.” I’m an old school fan who grew up in the 1970s, when such continuity preoccupations were all the rage, yet...I confess to rolling my eyes at some moments. Did we need to know why Odin seemingly lost interest in Galactus during the famed Kirby/Lee run - in a story that predates these issues by at least a dozen years? Well...writers Mark Gruenwald and Ralph Macchio (They replaced Roy Thomas toward the end of Volume Two) clearly THOUGHT that we did.

To me, the opera adaptation issues were the most enjoyable. This surprised me, as I’m no opera fan and had no familiarity with the source material. I loved the mythic quality and epic scope of it, though, and the more involved plots. Roy Thomas finds a way to insert Thor front and center in the stories, and while I won’t spoil his method, I will say that it worked surprisingly well. As I read, I compared the comics with the Wikipedia summaries of the Wagner works, and I enjoyed seeing the choices that Thomas - and his successors Gruenwald and Macchio - made in translating the stories to another medium. I understand that artist/writer P. Craig Russell created a more definitive comics adaptation of the “Ring” saga, so those more interested might consider checking that out, if they can find a copy. While I like this Marvel version, I will say that the art sometimes suffers due to the dense plots, as a greater number of panels can result in a “cramped” feel.

I noted above that the book changes writers at one point. Roy Thomas actually pens the vast majority of issues, and he doesn’t depart until over halfway through Volume 2. He’s succeeded by the writing team of Mark Gruenwald and Ralph Macchio, but surprisingly, the switch is almost seamless (The one “seam” that I noticed concerned two Wagner characters being established as brothers in Thomas’s last issue and then said to be father and son in the issue following.). The conclusion certainly fit with all the clues that Thomas laid down, so if Gruenwald and Macchio altered any of his plans, then I couldn’t detect how. In one of Thomas’ last issues, he includes a “special thanks” to Gruenwald and Macchio, and it seems that the three collaborated to some degree on the various Marvel continuity/cosmology details that the storyline addresses.

The art team, too, changes. Walter Simonson and Ernie Chan illustrate THOR ANNUAL #7, which opens Volume One. As the two are jointly credited, with Simonson’s name appearing first, it seems likely that Simonson provided break downs, or “loose pencils,” with Chan then making significant contributions as he inked. I enjoyed the final product, but Chan’s heavy hand is evident and buries much of Simonson’s signature style.

John Buscema and Chic Stone are the jointly credited illustrators of the first three issues presented, with Keith Pollard and Chic Stone jointly credited thereafter….save for THOR #300, which jointly credits Pollard and Dan Green. Buscema and Pollard have similar styles, and as Buscema was then a veteran and Pollard a beginning artist, it’s quite possible that the former influenced the latter. Of course, Stone also likely contributes a certain consistency, and once again, the change of creative team is fairly seamless. Buscema and Pollard both have what I’d term a “classic adventure story” style, and in an earlier era, I could see either drawing a newspaper serial strip such as “Tarzan” or “Prince Valiant” (I suspect strip artists such as Hal Foster, Alex Raymond and Milt Caniff were influences.). Generally, the art is clean and pleasing and fits the story. My only complaint is the one mentioned earlier - that the art sometimes feels cramped under some plot heavy stories and verbose explication that require a large number of panels, word balloons and/or captions.

Ultimately, then, I can only return to my point that these two volumes are uneven. Thor fans, along with those who love the intricacies of Marvel continuity and cosmology, will probably like them best, and indeed, events are significant to Thor’s story. As someone who likes Thor but doesn’t consider him a favorite, the book’s flaws perhaps stood out to me a little more. I certainly don’t regret reading these tales and enjoyed several aspects of them, but I also doubt that I will revisit them.
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3,988 reviews19 followers
September 7, 2020
Unreadable.

I picked this up because I wanted to know more about the Eternals. I feel ripped off. In 10 issues and over 200 pages collected in this volume, the Eternals and/or Celestials appear on 30 pages spread across 3 issues.

First, the dramatic cliffhanger from the last volume ends with a fizzle. Odin stands over Thor with his spear poised for pages and pages of internal strife, finally declaring "Not again!" and leaving. Thor wonders what he meant by that and goes off in search of answers.

In Norse mythology, Odin plucked out his eye as a sacrifice in exchange for knowledge. Did you ever wonder what happened to that eye? Did you ever write fan fiction of the eye gaining sentience and travelling the universe having adventures of its own? Apparently, Roy Thomas did.

Thor finds the sentient lost eye of Odin which is now the size of a basketball and can talk. And for the next 8-9 issues Thor stands around listening to stories and waiting for it to get to the point.

First we get the story of a previous Asgard, establishing the cycle of Ragnarok and rebirth. Then we get a retelling of the Ring of Nibelung, with Thor playing both Sigmund and Sigfried. So, back in the days of one-and-done comics, Roy Thomas spends the better part of a year with a cosmic eyeball telling Thor stories.

Are these stories relevant? Barely. Turns out the Odinsword is made from Rhinegold. And when he was pinned to Yggdrasil, Odin had a vision of the coming of the Celestials, and began working on a plan to stop the Fourth Host.

Thor returns from his vision quest to find that Odin has engaged the Fourth Host. Odin loses. Thor fights them. Thor loses. A bunch of representatives from other pantheons show up to say they'll travel with the Fourth Host as long as they agree to spare the Earth. And the Celestials agree.

What?

All this time, the Celestials were just lonely? They just needed some travelling buddies?

This was painful to read. Slogging through the issues of Thor talking to Odin's eye was not worth it. And, while the Fourth Host choosing to leave Earth without destroying it is an important bit of continuity, the story made absolutely no sense.
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Profile Image for Devero.
5,008 reviews
February 28, 2025
La seconda parte di questa lunga saga vede Roy Thomas cimentarsi con la sua versione del ragnarok, il crepuscolo degli dei norreni.
Tutti o quasi gli autori che sono passati sulla testata hanno cercato, dopo Lee e Kirby, di rifare il ragnarok. Thomas lo fa passando per Wagner ed il suo ciclo dei Nibelunghi, ponendo il crepuscolo degli dei come un evento ciclico che si ripete in modi diversi ma simili circa ogni 2000 anni. Le storie successive all'incontro e scontro tra Thor e gli Eterni vedono Thomas organizzare la trama, che sarà poi smentita da Simonson, che ci mostra l'origine dell'attuale Odino come fusione di 4 dei sopravvissuti al precedente ragnarok. Ma è l'occhio che Odino si è strappato a raccontarla, e quindi Simonson avrà buon gioco per screditarla.
Le storie di questo secondo volume sono effettivamente più deboli, meno accattivanti e percorse da un senso di estraneità rispetto a quelle del primo volume. Leggere di Thor-Sigfrido è un poco come leggere di Paperin-Sigfritto, per chi segue le parodie Disney.
L'albo che celebra il 300mo numero della serie è però decisamente buono, con un finale anticlimatico ben orchestrato da Thomas. L'epilogo narrato nel 301 è solo simpatico.
Nel complesso questo secondo volume non ha retto bene al trascorrere degli anni, almeno non come il primo volume della saga.
Il mio voto è 2 stelle.
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804 reviews2 followers
March 8, 2019
The second volume of the Eternals Saga involves far fewer Eternals as we are given an attempt to reconcile the historical Norse myths with the Lee/Kirby Marvel mythos. We also get Roy Thomas' adaptation of Wagner's "Ring of the Nibelung" starring the god of thunder as told by All-Father Odin's gigantic sacrificed eyeball. The story comes around to the Eternals and the Fourth Host of the Celestials again and the detour is interesting enough though perhaps a bit incongruous. I tend to like the Eternals better when they are not interacting with the literal gods humans had mistaken them for in the past so this was not my favourite Eternals story but was a very epic Thor tale. Keith Pollard's art is excellent throughout conveying the mythic majesty of Asgard.
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627 reviews24 followers
July 20, 2019
This second volume starts really slow but builds towars a pretty epic conclusion against the Celestials to warrant it's buying. The Eternals plot gets sidelined for 90% of this TPD in an attempt to reconciliate The Thor comics with the original mythology (which wasn't necessary but, whatever), doing a pretty heavy-handed adaptation of the Ring of the Nibelungs but with pretty nice art from Pollard.

If you love Marvel's cosmic side or Thor, this is alright, but for other people with no patience for Marvel slow-storytelling, pass it by.
16 reviews7 followers
April 1, 2021
The Eternals Saga ends here, in the last three issues. Most of the book is a Wagnerian tale complete with Das Rheingold, Die Walkure, and Seigfried. And like Wagner, it's a slog to get through. Then in the last couple of issues all the action with the Celestials and the Eternals happens. Then at the end you're left with the 'well that happened' feeling. Also look around the Eternals saga is available in a single volume that is about the same price as a single volume of this edition.
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Author 4 books35 followers
May 21, 2018
I definitely enjoyed this much more than the first volume. It gets a bit strange–Thor talks to Odin's discarded eye that takes a mammoth size. There's even a Marvel-ized retelling of Siegfried and Brunhilda. The writing is a little better, but still has that campy aspect, with far too much dialogue and explaining. And the art–great, classic art.
194 reviews3 followers
June 26, 2020
Delightfully odd - much is narrated by a giant eyeball - and really shines when adapting Norse myths and Germanic legends. Those add a darkness and depth most comics of this era lack.
Roy Thomas and the other writers also do a really good job of bringing together lots of strands of plot into a satisfying and spectacular climax.
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401 reviews2 followers
October 21, 2022
While less disjointed than the previous volume, this volume still needs time to build up drama. This is somewhat ironic since it is the second, and final, volume of the story. This is an example of the chaotic and commercial nature of monthly comic magazines, aka floppies. The seminal story elements finally align and do come to a fulfilling conclusion.
3,013 reviews
September 29, 2018
Almost the whole thing is a tedious "flashback" to the Niebelung / Ring cycle operas.

There are some cool ideas here with reincarnation and Jack Kirby's eternals and celestials. But then you get buried in a boring adaptation of other material
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611 reviews8 followers
November 29, 2021
The book spent less time with the Celestials and Eternals than I initially thought. However, the book does include stories from Thor’s youth that ties with the overall Eternals Saga. Not what I was expecting, but still enjoyable.
Profile Image for Rick.
3,115 reviews
September 4, 2022
After Jack Kirby had created the Eternals, he left behind a dilemma. He’d not intended for the concepts and characters to be part of the Marvel Universe. But the editorial staff wanted that very thing. And what remained was a conundrum. Enter Roy Thomas. Tasked with making sense of all these diverse concept, Thomas took on the task with gusto. And on some levels he didn’t do too badly. Considering how virtually impossible the task, he definitely achieved the task. It’s still a mess. But he did achieve the goal of incorporating the Eternals, the Celestials the Deviants into a world with multiple god realms, Inhumans, mutants, superheroes, magic, pseudo-science and even enigmatic entities of concepts. How well does he pull it off? I’ll leave that to each and every individual reader. But for myself, I think it’s a mess. But the real bulk of this particular volume doesn’t even deal with the Eternals at all. In fact, it deals with some of the weird aspects of Norse mythology and an absurd and overly complicated attempt to insert an adaptation of the legends depicted in The Ring of the Nibelung and incorporating Marvel’s Thor and Valkyrie into the stories of Seigmund, Seiglinda and Siegfried. And, oh my, it’s even more of a mess. To be perfectly honest, I’d only give this volume a single star, except the closing chapters of this volume do really pull everything together (except perhaps the overly convoluted and contrived adaptation of the Ring Cycle). This is certainly not the greatest Thor epic, nor is it a satisfying conclusion to Kirby’s work from The Eternals Omnibus, but it is what it is. Read it if you must, and then move on.
As an aside, if you want to read a wonderful and inspired comic adaptation of the Ring Cycle, try The Ring of the Nibelung, P. Craig Russell truly delivers the goods.
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2,594 reviews71 followers
July 28, 2013
Thor does the Ring saga. Yes, the one from the operas. It's quite an interesting spin on the tale and complicates who Thor actually is. I'm still not sure. It's good that it embraced all mythology relating to the Asgard gods. A clever idea that is well written. A good read.
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188 reviews26 followers
September 24, 2010
Too much Nibelungs to get to the Celestials...
The end was good, and almost made up for the boring parts.
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217 reviews10 followers
March 22, 2012
Fun epic fare that focuses less on Thor's alter ego and more on his god persona. I missed Donald Blake, but the stories were so bizarre and engrossing that I enjoyed this a lot anyway.
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194 reviews
May 2, 2012


Part 1 was okay, but part 2 was pretty boring. Reminds me why it took me so long to get into thor, too much ye old awkward English. Still, some sweet moments fighting the celestials.
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