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Ethical Chiang Mai Detective Agency #2

The Missing Guests of the Magic Grove Hotel

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A fascinating mystery featuring Ladarat Patalung, the first and only nurse detective in Thailand.As a nurse ethicist, Ladarat Patalung works to save the lives of her patients, and to make sure the ones she can't save have at least the dignity of a "good death." But when wealthy foreign travelers start to go missing all across Thailand, Detective Wiriya Mookjai fears that a killer is at large, and turns to Ladarat for help. The travelers have nothing in common, except for brief stays at a mysterious resort, known as the Magic Grove Hotel. . .

374 pages, Kindle Edition

First published December 5, 2017

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David Casarett

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David Casarett, M.D., is a physician, researcher, and tenured professor at the Duke University School of Medicine, where he is chief of palliative care and director of the Duke Center for Palliative Care. He lives in Durham, North Carolina.

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924 reviews
January 1, 2018
What looked like an interesting mystery set in Chiang Mai, Thailand, turned out to be very disappointing. The book just felt like it was trying to be another No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency mystery, but failed to evoke the same sense of place that Alexander McCall Smith describes as Botswana.

The plot revolved around four little problems: missing farangs from the Magic Grove Hotel, the tired doctor, the parrot bags and the drugged travelers who travelled by long distance bus. All solved by the nurse ethicist, Ladarat and her boyfriend Wiriya.

I wasn't able to decide what a nurse ethicist really did, except deliver a speech at a conference.

Much was written about Thai food that I really expected recipes at the end of the book. Kanom maprao and peaflower tea sounded interesting and I will try to find them at my Thai restaurant. Or look up in a cookbook/internet.
4,130 reviews11 followers
January 9, 2018
Maybe I should have read #1 first, but I just didn't care much for this book. Ladarat was way too insecure and Wiriya had no clue how to deal with her. And the entire premise of the book was too strange -- terminally ill folks who want to die alone in a strange country where they don't speak the language?? How is that a good thing? And I figured out the bit about the juice boxes -- not the straw part, but the needle part. My favorite characters were Jonah and the little dog. I truly struggled to finish this -- it seemed long, but maybe that was just me.
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234 reviews80 followers
October 8, 2018
2 1/2 stars.
Idk the story just didn’t engage me and I couldn’t of cared less what happened... maybe I just wasn’t in the mood for this type of story. 😅
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241 reviews17 followers
April 23, 2019
5 enthusiastic stars! Recently updated... 4/23/19
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3/27/19... Wow, I really need to catch up on this review. I was just checking in on the author, to see whether a Book 3 might be on the works. I really hope so, because Books 1 & 2 were so unique and enjoyable. Fingers crossed!

4/23/19... It has been about fifteen months since I read this, and many of the details are hazy, but overall I still recall this book as a fun, unique, "peaceful" mystery, with a fabulous setting in Thailand. This is what is often called a "cozy" mystery; an appellation that never rings true for me. Even in a book with no gory details, how can a murder investigation ever be termed "cozy"?

However, there is a calmness about the main character and her culture which made this mystery have almost an underlying peaceful tone. There were also lovely descriptions of her small city and culture; mouth-watering descriptions of Thai foods; many quirky side characters and scenes; and an interesting main mystery to solve, along with several smaller dilemmas.

The main character's name is escaping me at the moment. (Should've checked before I started typing! I'll have to edit that back in later.) She is a sweet-but-firm lady approaching early middle age; a "nurse ethicist" at her local hospital. She is as perky, intelligent, and mannered as many lady-sleuths in Victorian setting novels, but is somehow much more fun. There is a cousin who's her polar-opposite (think about the type of establishments that Thailand, especially Bangkok, is more famous for, unfortunately!). There's a budding almost-romance that complements the story in sweet and humorous ways, without hijacking the plot. There's also a great balance between action, internalizing, and some almost meditative passages that highlight an interesting culture as well as the kindness of our heroine.

Highly recommended, for readers of mysteries, those who like books with unusual settings, and readers who enjoy quirky characters. (Though that description is underselling the story, which is wonderful but difficult to summarize!) I've read almost 150 books since this one, and the memory of enjoying it has stuck with me, so much so that I'm really hoping for book 3 soon!

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1,846 reviews
January 1, 2018
I loved this book! The character development is lovely, as are the facts about Thailand. It’s a slow pace that works. I just want to cuddle up on the couch with some tea as I visit Thailand and meet new friends. The telling reminds me of an Alexander McCall Smith story. Did you know there is a different Thailand name for each kind of smile someone uses?
The mysteries are simplistic which works
A charming read.
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18 reviews14 followers
March 3, 2018
I rarely give a book one star, so when I do, I feel like I should explain.

I mostly enjoyed this book. It is a pleasant read with charming characters.

Then I got to the end.

It turns out the Magic Grove Hotel has become an unofficial destination for those seeking to end their lives. And the proprietor of the hotel is not a murderer, but, for all intents, a willing accomplice in suicide. She doesn’t kill them. Instead, she makes sure they’re really terminally ill, then gives them a comfortable place to commit suicide. Once it’s done, she buries them in the backyard and donates their luggage to charity.

And this is where my opinion of the book did an abrupt change. Upon finding out what is really happening to the missing guests, the main characters, while they don’t explicitly support it, they do suggest that maybe it’s not so wrong. The guests were terminally ill and chose to do it, so... They turn a blind eye and the proprietor continues on, but now sends the ashes back to their families, rather than burying the guests in the backyard.

I’m sorry, but the moment you imply that suicide is a valid option for certain people, you’ve lost me. The missing guests spoke of not wanting to be a burden, of not wanting to be less than they were, of wanting to avoid the pain and indignity of their disease. Wouldn't anyone in that position? But agreeing with a person that they’re better off dead is wrong. Why do we mourn the suicide of a person with a mental illness/depression/etc. as a tragedy, but cloak the suicide of a person with a terminal illness in terms of compassion and dignity? Shouldn't our focus be on ending suffering, rather than ending the person? Terminal illness is a tragedy, but so is suicide. The presence of the first does not change the nature of the second. Acting otherwise just starts us down a very dangerous road.
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October 30, 2021
Fantastic! The characters are so real and easy to follow. There are quite a few mysteries in side the pages of this book. They unravel with wonderful details of food and culture of Thailand. How wonderful to read! A great read that I could not put down! Thank you Dr. Casarett.
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118 reviews
July 1, 2023
Rant incoming.

I read this book without reading the first one, but I found I was able to follow along fairly well.
That being said, I have a lot of quarrels with this book, which I will lay out in a problem list.


1. The plot.


This was my biggest grievance because if you're advertising it as a detective/mystery novel, it should be well structured, with various plot threads that intertwine and weave together at the climax and conclusion. What we should be left with at the end is a nice garment of story, with no loose threads or poorly connected pieces. HOWEVER. There were several mysteries in the novel, the titular mystery and two minor ones. The minor mysteries did not advance the major mystery, nor did they come together in the end. Instead, they were solved, neatly packaged away into three different resolutions by the main characters who patted themselves on the back for a job well done. I spent the first half trying desperately to figure out how all these plot threads were connected AND YET- My efforts were spurned. Even so, aspects of the plot were too predictable and I saw them coming from a mile away. It felt like things should have raised suspicion that didn't, and I was yelling at the characters to put the pieces together.



2. The writing


The author has a serious case of tell-not-show-itis. I felt like everything was being spelled out to me, from why a character would react a certain way to why the mystery went as it did.



3. The way he writes women


The author just cannot go a second without criticising women. Too tall, too plain, too nerdy, were all descriptions of women used. Additionally, the main character is meant to be smart. She's a nurse ethicist and vigilante detective. She should be able to draw conclusions and make decisions without having to ask "what would professor Dalrymple say/do/think?" every time. I started a prof Dalrymple count halfway through the book and I think I got to about 20 in just the second act. It got old so quickly.


All in all, this book really didn't do it for me. There are better mystery novels out there.


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2,237 reviews60 followers
February 21, 2018
I really enjoyed the first book in this series, Murder at the House of Rooster Happiness, and looked forward to this one with a great deal of anticipation. Unfortunately, The Missing Guests of the Magic Grove Hotel was a bit of a disappointment. The characters and the setting are still strong, and the mysteries are intriguing, but this second book in the series really needed more editing and tightening up.

The mysteries took forever to get moving-- mainly due to the fact that too much emphasis was placed on food in the first half. Casarett has definitely tickled my taste buds with his descriptions of Thai food, but having Ladarat attempt to learn to cook was overkill. Once all the food descriptions stopped, the pace picked up and my flagging interest was re-engaged.

There were also too many mysteries to solve: drugged bus passengers, a smuggling ring, tourists disappearing from a strange hotel, a doctor who's acting strangely... and why are so few people dying in the palliative care unit of the hospital? When there are so many investigations screaming for attention, they oftentimes do not get all the attention they deserve, and that's what happened here.

Yes, The Missing Guests of the Magic Grove Hotel does have a problem or two, but I'm still looking forward to the next book. There is a wit and humor and gentleness in these two books that just plain makes me feel good. Learning about all the many variations of Thai smiles and feeling good are two excellent reasons to keep reading, don't you agree?
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3,478 reviews
January 23, 2018
Ladarat, a nurse ethicist in Chiang Mai stumbles onto several minor mysteries. Why is a young doctor so exhausted? What is the lady with the parrot bags giving to foreigners at the bus station? Why are some people waking up on bus station benches with no clue what happened on their trip there? Why are there so few deaths in the hospital palliative care unit? Where are the guests from the Magic Grove Hotel?
This book grew on me. It's slow and thoughtful, with lots of food references. Picture Precious Ramotswe in Thailand. There are lots of similarities between Ladarat and Alexander McCall Smith's detective.
I figured out the two big mysteries long before the lead characters did, but I didn't mind. The descriptions of Thai culture and life were fascinating. It was a gentle trip to a different place. I would definitely read another in this series, especially when I want a break from regular life.

Also this book fulfills No. 40 from the 2018 Popsugar reading challenge - your favorite prompt from the 2015,2016, or 2017 Popsugar reading challenge (2015 A book by an author you've never read before).
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684 reviews133 followers
March 13, 2018
Ladarat Patalung, nurse ethicist, gets involved in another case with her detective boyfriend, Wiriya Mookjai, in tracking down missing visitors to Thailand in The Missing Guests of the Magic Grove Hotel by David Casarett. Ladarat doesn’t really have time to help Wiriya because she has a lot of extra work, plus a conference presentation to prepare, but she can’t turn him down when the families of eight American or European tourists so far have reported that they haven’t heard anything from their family members. Ladarat sends her very large American bouncer friend, Jonah, who is looking for a new line of work to the isolated Magic Grove Hotel, where each of these missing people have stayed at one point or another, as their new receptionist.

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May 20, 2019
I like the MC and all the descriptions of food, but this just wasn't keeping my interest so I put it aside for now. May try again later, but not any time soon.
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June 4, 2020
Sad to say as much as was looking forward to reading this book as I love anything about Thailand, I just could not get into this book.
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56 reviews4 followers
September 26, 2018
Pretty good story. The names of the Thai food slowed me way down to ill effect. Next.
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655 reviews
February 27, 2018
I’m a fan of the occasional cozy mystery, although I only read them every once in awhile because they can be a bit slow. The Missing Guests of the Magic Grove Hotel by David Casarett is a perfect example of the cozy mystery; it’s slow, very slow, in fact the ‘mysteries’ that came to light were only really introduced about a third of the way into the book. In between working on her ‘cases’ nurse ethicist/amataeur detective Ladarat Patalung focuses on food; what she’s eating, what she’s going to eat later, and why she can’t cook very well despite her love of food. There’s also a cute little dog named Chi that accompanies her every so often when she’s visiting patients, and there are lots of in-depth descriptions of his demeanor. So…there’s that.

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246 reviews3 followers
June 9, 2018
I picked this up thinking that apart from a pleasant read it might give me some painless insights into Thai culture and the surrounds of Chiang Mai.
Hmm...a very lightweight detective story, almost as if Alexander McCall-Smith's No 1 Detective had pre-set her v. new and v. shiny laptop to write itself a No. 1 ladies Detective novel but in another land.
Over-written and repetitive to the point of boringly pointless at times. A few funny or informative moments. The main 'message' regarding westerners choosing to relocate to 'die with dignity' is not, in itself, uninteresting.
Above all I glean that Thais of Chiang Mai prize a certain form of Coconut cake/dessert above all others. Pity a sample doesn't come with the boook.
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610 reviews17 followers
January 10, 2018
Usually when you look at the reviews of a second book in the series you see the ratings go up, it stands to reason that the people reading the second book generally liked the first book, the author, the premise, and those who rated the first book lower didn't bother to read on to the second book thus creating a rising rating. That's what usually happens.

I adored Murder at the Rooster House of Happiness so much that I've been eagerly tracking and awaiting a follow up book to take me back into that world and those characters so it took me no time at all to snap up the Magic Grove Hotel... but unfortunately it took me a lot longer than I anticipated to actually read it. I'm not sure I'd say it disappointed me, but it certainly didn't live up to it's elder sibling. The problem is I can't really put my finger on what it was...

The setting was just as unique and rich. The characters were just as quirky and well-rounded. The writing was just as solid. And yet... it was slow, so slow. I'd say the first third to half took real effort to push through and while I found reading the second half happened more naturally I wouldn't exactly say that the plot picked up any.

And while the Rooster House of Happiness had more than one story intertwining in and through together, this book felt like ideal plots for, maybe, two short stories or novellas woven together to make one full novel. Which is a shame. As novellas the stories would have been much more compelling and kept us interested in the character and series, while cobbled together as a novel seeming to lack one cohesive plot line/mystery it does the exact opposite.

But it's still a good book, just not an amazing or wonderful book, but good and definitely worth picking up. Just don't read it on an empty stomach, and definitely look up the number to your local Thai delivery restaurant because you will leave almost every chapter of this book hungry.
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1,019 reviews
July 6, 2018
This was tough for me to rate fairly.
Pros: I really enjoyed the adventures of Khun Ladarat. I enjoyed learning about a small city in Thailand and its inhabitants and I thought the descriptions of the street foods she loves were a great added touch. I hope there is a book 3 in this series.
Cons: this series is a rip-off of A McCall-Smith’s #1 Ladies Detective series. Both series are written by white men from USA/Scotland about Indigenous women in 3rd world countries (Thailand/Botswana) Both women become detectives. Both women rely on a book written by an American and consider it their bible in how to do their work (ethics&detective/detective) Both women philosophize frequently using formal language- and even use the same phrases (such as “This is well known”). Both women have younger assistants who are outspoken, opinionated, and who want to claim credit that is due to the women. I think this author read the #1 Ladies series or saw the TV adaptation before he wrote this series.
Given all this, I still enjoyed it and would read another.
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235 reviews
October 4, 2018
The Missing Guests of the Magic Grove Hotel is a charming mystery. It reminded me a bit of reading the Isabel Dalhousie series in that the central protagonist, Ladrat Patalung, is a reflective and thoughtful woman. Rather than the editor of an academic philosophy journal, here we have a nurse ethicist who is thinking about her patients and especially about what it means to have a good death.

I enjoyed meeting Ladrat and, as someone fascinated by palliative care, I enjoyed that side of the novel. This is a mystery but with a lot more focus on the characters and their lives and thoughts than on the mystery itself, which did not bother me at all.

However, I would have liked a bit more depth on Ladrat's relationship with Detective Wiriya. I wanted to really have her delve into the complexities of being an amateur sleuth who is involved with a recognized detective and I felt that while Casarett brought up some of the conflict, he glossed over it rather than delving more and I would have liked to have seen that.
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2,218 reviews19 followers
September 9, 2021
The Magic Grove Hotel is in such a remote part of northern Thailand that it does not get that many guests, so they supplement their income by selling logs from their teak forest. They also plant many saplings and the forest is gradually growing in size. Ladarat Patalung works as a nurse ethicist at Chiang Mai University. She has an assistant, Sisithorn, who is very observant as well as young and ambitious – not the sort in whom she can find a confidant. Ladarat has become friends with Detective Wiriya Mookjai since they worked together on a murder case. He, however, tends to dismiss her notions of herself as a detective. Much of the book takes place in Ladarat’s head, which makes for a rather slow pace. She definitely needs a Dr. Watson. A thought-provoking story; I would certainly read another if the series continues.
5,950 reviews67 followers
February 2, 2018
Ladarat Patalung has plenty of work to do as nurse-ethicist of a large hospital. But her friend, policeman Wiriya, asks for her help in the case of foreigners who are mysteriously disappearing from the city of Chiang Mai, since one of them spent a day or two at the hospital. At the same time, Ladarat is concerned at the condition of a Welsh woman who is staying at the new palliative care wing. Then her assistant's fiancé is robbed on one of the all-night buses from Bangkok to Chiang Mai, and her assistant herself is convinced that she's found a smuggling ring operating. Everyone wants something from Ladarat, and she herself only wants to learn to cook! I really loved this as much as I did the first of the series. A wonderful introduction to Thailand.
1,099 reviews23 followers
January 27, 2021
Holy harsh reviews, Batman!
Look,was it great? No. Was it derivative? Wildly. But it wasn't thaaat bad. It was just very, very slow
And uneventful. And ethically ambiguous. And, I'll admit it, it's always just a bit weird reading a book about a female POC written by a white man, particularly one from an entirely different culture.

The bits of Thai culture that peppered the story were probably the most interesting parts. That and the dog.

I just feel like it was trying very hard to emulate The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency, from the tone (it doesn't compare) to the type of crimes (very human, local...) to the fact that the female lead relies, or at least often refers to, a text by a white "expert."

I didn't hate it, but I had really hoped to like it more.
145 reviews
February 1, 2021
The Missing Guests of the Magic Grove Hotel is missing a little something. I generally seek foriegn historical or mysteries, and I prefer more on the cozy end of the spectrum rather than thrillers. While I did not regret listening to it, I also did not feel strongly positive about it either. Strong points included quirky characters, and an interesting setting. There also were some interesting medical ethics discussions described and the relationship between nurses and doctors was well captured. On the other hand I thought there was far too much time spent on the main character’s insecurity. The rest of the characters were pretty thin.

Thanks to Libro.fm and the publisher for providing me with a review copy in exchange for an honest review.
436 reviews27 followers
December 29, 2017
It is exciting to find cozy mysteries that take place in different countries. This one is written by an American M.D who visits Thailand often, and the book has a lot information about customs, food, and the viewpoints of the local people. It is painfully slow, mostly telling the ordinary life of a nurse and her boyfriend, a police detective, and the two mysteries in the book are overly simplistic. However I liked the story flow and the character development. While reading the book, I wished there were more vivid descriptions of the environment, lifestyle, nature, and the culture. Three and a half stars.
2,073 reviews5 followers
August 12, 2018
The relationships among the characters are interesting and often amusing. I enjoyed the Thai philosophy, and the concept of an ethics nurse. The food details became somewhat overwhelming.
Ladarat, an ethics nurse at a major hospital in Thailand, has two nurses come to hear with concerns about one of the doctors. One of these nurses then reports odd events at a bus terminal. Ladarat’s actual job has her researching palliative care at her hospital, and escorting s therapy dog around the facility. Oh, yes, her romantic partner is a detective, and they solved a pretty major crime together.
Interesting concepts. Fun characters. Informative discussions of Thai philosophy.
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282 reviews9 followers
April 7, 2019
This one has a slightly lower average score than the first and I can see why people might score it lower, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. The first was a 7 hour audiobook and this was an eleven hour audiobook, and the extra 4 hours were mostly filled with even MORE of Ladarat sitting in parks eating and thinking, figuring out ethical puzzle solutions, and thinking about food. If you didn't like that in the first book, you'll like it even less here. However, for me, I really enjoyed the immersion into Thai food and manners and especially the peculiar but enjoyable thinking processes of Ladarat so I still enjoyed it a lot.
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