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Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation?: Discussing Origins with Reasons to Believe and BioLogos
Christians confess that God created the heavens and the earth. But they are divided over how God created and whether the Bible gives us a scientifically accurate account of the process of creation.
Representatives of two prominent positions—old-earth creation (Reasons to Believe) and evolutionary creation (BioLogos)—have been in dialogue over the past decade to understand where they agree and disagree on key issues in science and theology. This book is the result of those meetings.
Moderated by Southern Baptist seminary professors, the discussion between Reasons to Believe and BioLogos touches on many of the pressing debates in science and faith, including biblical authority, the historicity of Adam and Eve, human genetics and common descent, the problem of natural evil, and methodological naturalism. While both organizations agree that God created the universe billions of years ago, their differences reveal that far more is at stake here than just the age of the earth.
Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation? invites readers to listen in as Christian scholars weigh the evidence, explore the options, and challenge each other on the questions of creation and evolution. In a culture of increasing polarization, this is a model for charitable Christian dialogue.
Representatives of two prominent positions—old-earth creation (Reasons to Believe) and evolutionary creation (BioLogos)—have been in dialogue over the past decade to understand where they agree and disagree on key issues in science and theology. This book is the result of those meetings.
Moderated by Southern Baptist seminary professors, the discussion between Reasons to Believe and BioLogos touches on many of the pressing debates in science and faith, including biblical authority, the historicity of Adam and Eve, human genetics and common descent, the problem of natural evil, and methodological naturalism. While both organizations agree that God created the universe billions of years ago, their differences reveal that far more is at stake here than just the age of the earth.
Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation? invites readers to listen in as Christian scholars weigh the evidence, explore the options, and challenge each other on the questions of creation and evolution. In a culture of increasing polarization, this is a model for charitable Christian dialogue.
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July 13, 2018
A good two-views book on Old Earth and Evolutionary Creationism. As someone who adhered to the RTB Old Earth Creation model for several years and who slowly transitioned into an evolutionary creationist, I frequently mused throughout my reading that this is what a debate would look like if I time traveled and debated myself from 4 years ago on the doctrine of creation. The Evan from 2018 would make arguments like Darrel Falk and the me from 4 years ago would make arguments like Fasale Rana, for examples. Maybe I thought of this because I've been watching a lot of Doctor Who.
Anyway, for those who disenchanted with a young earth creation view, but find the evidence for Christianity to compelling to embrace atheistic evolution, this book presents two other in-between viable options for you to choose from. Each chapter presents a representative from two of the world's biggest science/faith ministries; BioLogos and Reasons To Believe, and each chapter deals with a specific topic, such as how much, if any, of a role methodological naturalism should play in examining scientific evidence, the historicity of Adam and Eve in light of each organization's respective view of origins, and whether the scientific evidence validates, undermines, or at least is indeterminative of whether large-scale evolution took place over the course of this planet's history. Of course, this book doesn't exhaustively cover all of these details. It is only an introduction into the conversation.
For an in-depth examination of BioLogos' perspective, I recommend the following books:
*"Origins: Christian Perspectives On Creation, Evolution, and Intelligent Design" by Deborah and Loren Haarsma
*"The Language Of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence For Belief" by Francis Collins
*"Deliver Us From Evolution?: A Christian Biologist's Indepth look At The Evidence Reveals A Surprising Harmony Between Science and God" by Aron R Yilmaz
*"The Lost World Of Genesis One" by John Walton
*"The Lost World Of Adam and Eve" by John Walton
*"How I Changed My Mind About Evolution: Evangelicals Discuss Faith and Science" Edited by Kathryn Applegate and J.B Stump
For an in-depth examination of Reasons To Believe's position
*"The Creator and The Cosmos" by Hugh Ross
*"More Than A Theory" by Hugh Ross
*"A Matter Of Days" by Hugh Ross
"Who Was Adam" by Fasale Rana and Hugh Ross
"Navigating Genesis" by Hugh Ross
Anyway, for those who disenchanted with a young earth creation view, but find the evidence for Christianity to compelling to embrace atheistic evolution, this book presents two other in-between viable options for you to choose from. Each chapter presents a representative from two of the world's biggest science/faith ministries; BioLogos and Reasons To Believe, and each chapter deals with a specific topic, such as how much, if any, of a role methodological naturalism should play in examining scientific evidence, the historicity of Adam and Eve in light of each organization's respective view of origins, and whether the scientific evidence validates, undermines, or at least is indeterminative of whether large-scale evolution took place over the course of this planet's history. Of course, this book doesn't exhaustively cover all of these details. It is only an introduction into the conversation.
For an in-depth examination of BioLogos' perspective, I recommend the following books:
*"Origins: Christian Perspectives On Creation, Evolution, and Intelligent Design" by Deborah and Loren Haarsma
*"The Language Of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence For Belief" by Francis Collins
*"Deliver Us From Evolution?: A Christian Biologist's Indepth look At The Evidence Reveals A Surprising Harmony Between Science and God" by Aron R Yilmaz
*"The Lost World Of Genesis One" by John Walton
*"The Lost World Of Adam and Eve" by John Walton
*"How I Changed My Mind About Evolution: Evangelicals Discuss Faith and Science" Edited by Kathryn Applegate and J.B Stump
For an in-depth examination of Reasons To Believe's position
*"The Creator and The Cosmos" by Hugh Ross
*"More Than A Theory" by Hugh Ross
*"A Matter Of Days" by Hugh Ross
"Who Was Adam" by Fasale Rana and Hugh Ross
"Navigating Genesis" by Hugh Ross
May 14, 2025
Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation? offers a moderated dialogue between two prominent Christian organizations—BioLogos and Reasons to Believe (RTB)—each bringing thoughtful, well-researched perspectives on the origin and development of life.
At times, the responses feel misaligned, with key questions left underexplored or misunderstood. BioLogos’s commitment to science and interpretive humility is commendable, though it raises unresolved theological questions. RTB’s theological clarity is refreshing, yet their dismissal of some scientific conclusions can feel overly simplistic. Despite these tensions, the book fosters important reflection and respectful engagement.
I frequently found myself persuaded by both groups at different points, and at other times, I didn’t agree with either. Rather than being a weakness, this became one of the book’s greatest strengths. It models a kind of theological and scientific discernment that welcomes humility and ongoing inquiry. It offers not final answers but an invitation to join a conversation that is essential for the church today.
At times, the responses feel misaligned, with key questions left underexplored or misunderstood. BioLogos’s commitment to science and interpretive humility is commendable, though it raises unresolved theological questions. RTB’s theological clarity is refreshing, yet their dismissal of some scientific conclusions can feel overly simplistic. Despite these tensions, the book fosters important reflection and respectful engagement.
I frequently found myself persuaded by both groups at different points, and at other times, I didn’t agree with either. Rather than being a weakness, this became one of the book’s greatest strengths. It models a kind of theological and scientific discernment that welcomes humility and ongoing inquiry. It offers not final answers but an invitation to join a conversation that is essential for the church today.
August 31, 2025
Boken diskuterer to forskjellige syn på skapelsesberetningen - gammel jords-kreasjonisme og evolusjonær skapelse. I motsetning til lignende bøker som presenterer ulike syn, bærer denne boken mer preg av dialog enn debatt. For hvert tema får de ulike bidragsyterne presentere sitt syn, en moderator kommer med innspill, og deretter får de respondere. Fordelen med dette er at man får plass til veldig mange temaer på relativt kort tid, noe som er en styrke i boken. Ulempen er at man noen steder ikke får innblikk i hvordan den andre responderer på ulike argumenter. Savnet innledningsvis ung jords-kreasjonistisk syn, men moderatorene som kom med innspill, klarte å få frem noen av de mest typiske innvendingene fra det perspektivet.
June 25, 2019
Very good. Love how the authors have such respect for each other in this conversation.
October 29, 2021
Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation is the second book in the Science and Christianity series co-produced by InterVarsity Press and BioLogos. This volume is written in a moderated two-views format. The two participants are representatives of BioLogos and Reasons to Believe. Their interactions are moderated by theologians from the Southern Baptist Convention, who appear to represent, at least in form, the stereotypical young-earth creationist point of view, which may be skeptical of both the theistic evolution position and the old-earth creation position.
After setting out the basic positions of each organization in chapter 1, the remaining ten chapters are dedicated to asking the participants important questions that help distinguish and describe their positions. These questions are, in the order they're asked:
1. What is the nature of biblical authority?
2. What is the range of viable positions concerning Adam and Eve?
3. Is 'natural evil' evil?
4. How does God interact with the natural world?
5. Methodological naturalism or natural theology? (i.e., what is the nature of the scientific method?)
6. What is biological evolution? Does it explain life's history?
7. What is the natural history of earth and the origin of life? (i.e., what is the significance of the
geological evidence?)
8. Who were the hominids? (i.e., what is the nature and significance of the fossil record?)
9. Does genetics point to common descent? (i.e., what is the nature of the biological evidence?)
10. How are humans unique? (i.e., what is the nature and significance of the anthropological
evidence?)
I won't attempt a chapter-by-chapter summary of the whole book. Rather, I'll simply point out that within each of these question-chapters, the representatives of the two organizations attempt to begin to answer many of the most-pressing issues that arise when we talk about whether evolution is compatible with a faithful reading of Scripture and historical Christian doctrine.
All-in-all, there's not much that's going to surprise anyone who's generally familiar with these issues. That doesn't mean there aren't some interesting tidbits, like Hugh Ross' interesting adaptation of the argument from fine-tuning in response to the Faint Sun Paradox. And overall, there is one important lesson to be learned from this volume: it is possible and beneficial for people on opposing ends of an issue to debate honestly and vigorously yet within a spirit of charity. This is a lesson that is applicable in any area where well-intentioned, honest people disagree.
You can read my full reaction to reading this book at my personal blog: https://rogerprather.net/old-earth-or....
After setting out the basic positions of each organization in chapter 1, the remaining ten chapters are dedicated to asking the participants important questions that help distinguish and describe their positions. These questions are, in the order they're asked:
1. What is the nature of biblical authority?
2. What is the range of viable positions concerning Adam and Eve?
3. Is 'natural evil' evil?
4. How does God interact with the natural world?
5. Methodological naturalism or natural theology? (i.e., what is the nature of the scientific method?)
6. What is biological evolution? Does it explain life's history?
7. What is the natural history of earth and the origin of life? (i.e., what is the significance of the
geological evidence?)
8. Who were the hominids? (i.e., what is the nature and significance of the fossil record?)
9. Does genetics point to common descent? (i.e., what is the nature of the biological evidence?)
10. How are humans unique? (i.e., what is the nature and significance of the anthropological
evidence?)
I won't attempt a chapter-by-chapter summary of the whole book. Rather, I'll simply point out that within each of these question-chapters, the representatives of the two organizations attempt to begin to answer many of the most-pressing issues that arise when we talk about whether evolution is compatible with a faithful reading of Scripture and historical Christian doctrine.
All-in-all, there's not much that's going to surprise anyone who's generally familiar with these issues. That doesn't mean there aren't some interesting tidbits, like Hugh Ross' interesting adaptation of the argument from fine-tuning in response to the Faint Sun Paradox. And overall, there is one important lesson to be learned from this volume: it is possible and beneficial for people on opposing ends of an issue to debate honestly and vigorously yet within a spirit of charity. This is a lesson that is applicable in any area where well-intentioned, honest people disagree.
You can read my full reaction to reading this book at my personal blog: https://rogerprather.net/old-earth-or....
April 11, 2020
This is a book that pits 2 differing apologetic groups against each other in explaining some of the more difficult questions about origins, evolution, and how the Bible fits in.
I personally didn't find any of these groups to be persuasive but there were some very interesting concepts introduced that I had not considered. I would definitely recommend this book for anyone interested in how the Bible and science can coexist. However, I would caution that this book doesn't represent a young earth model. This will be a very concerning book for conservatives.
I personally didn't find any of these groups to be persuasive but there were some very interesting concepts introduced that I had not considered. I would definitely recommend this book for anyone interested in how the Bible and science can coexist. However, I would caution that this book doesn't represent a young earth model. This will be a very concerning book for conservatives.
June 22, 2017
Edited by Kenneth Keathley, J. B. Stump, and Joe Aguirre, Old Earth or Evolutionary Creation?: Discussing Origins with Reasons to Believe and BioLogos is a moderated (Southern Baptist Convention), two-view presentation and discussion between two “Christian” organizations (BioLogos and Reasons to Believe) in agreement with evolutionary theory in general and an understanding of the earth as being billions of years old, but they are in disagreement over what all that necessarily means and how we (humans) became we are in particular, especially regarding what it means to be “made in the image of God.” BioLogos members believe all life, including humans, have a common ancestor; Reasons to Believe (RTB) members believe humans were created as special beings separate and apart from an evolutionary process.
WHO ARE THEY?
BioLogos is quite a diverse group with no central board of scholars dictating their beliefs and findings to others. Their “core commitments” are relatively broad:
• We embrace the historical Christian faith, upholding the authority and inspiration of the Bible.
• We affirm evolutionary creation, recognizing God as Creator of all life over biollions of years.
• We seek truth, ever learning as we study the natural world and the Bible.
• We strive for humility and gracious dialogue with those who hold other views.
• We aim for excellence in all areas, from science to education to business practices.
When an author writes from the perspective of BioLogos, he or she often includes a caveat that not all within the organization may agree on the specifics (or even in general, as the case may be). The organization’s focus is primarily on educating Christians in the “both-and” of science and Scripture in hopes of ending or smoothing controversies surrounding both and the fear and/or disdain many have for evolutionary theory.
Reasons to Believe is rather exclusive with only a small team of four scientists (Fazale Rana, Anjeanette Roberts, Hugh Ross, Jeff Zweerink) and one theologian (Kenneth Samples) leading the pack. Requirements for participation include signing a four-page doctrinal statement (“explicitly Protestant and evangelical, patterned after Reformation creeds, but allows for diversity of views on eschatology, spiritual gifts, and the paradox of human free will and divine predestination”) with a view of biblical inerrancy as articulated by the International Council on Biblical Inerrancy, a Christian behavior contract, and RTB’s mission statement. When an author writes from the perspective of RTB, it is assumed all are in agreement. The organization’s focus is evangelizing non-Christians into a saving relationship with Jesus.
CONTRIBUTING AUTHORS
Southern Baptist Convention: Ted Cabal, James Dew, Ken Keathley, John Laing, Steve Lemke, Robert Stewart
BioLogos: Darrel Falk, Deborah Haarsma, Loren Haarsma, Jeff Schloss, Ralph Stearley, J. B. Stump, John Walton
Reasons to Believe: Fazale “Fuz” Rana, Hugh Ross, Kenneth Samples, Jeff Zweerink
ABOUT THE BOOK
Though not likely to convince and swing young-earth and “literal six-day” creationists to an old-earth perspective, it proves helpful in better understanding the two provided views in general and in pointing to much needed further detailed and precise information (see footnotes and bibliography for sources). The format of each chapter includes an SBC moderator introduction with questions, a response from a BioLogos author followed by the RTB response, a redirect with clarifications and questions from SBC, a response from BioLogos and RTB in the same order, and a conclusion from SBC. While authors BioLogos appear to be much more specific, detailed, and thorough than those from RTB, there simply isn’t enough time or space for fully articulated arguments and responses, and I wonder if the discussion would have been any different if the order had alternated between BioLogos and RTB responses. It would also have been helpful had the authors been able to edit their responses to better suit the moderator’s questions as intended rather than some moderator conclusions ending with something akin to “I must have been misunderstood” or “my questions weren’t really answered.” It definitely reads as an ongoing conversation, which it is, than a thoroughly prepared articulation of two views, which it isn’t.
STARTING WITH THE END
Some people read the end/conclusion of a book before reading the first page, which I find intriguing, especially in regards to fiction in general and mystery in particular. While I am not one who practices this, I perceive a few things mentioned in this book’s final chapter to be helpful on both bookends. So, for the reader’s benefit, here are three quotes from the end that should prove beneficial before starting on page one:
“After participating in all of our conversations with Reasons to Believe and BioLogos and now after working through this book, which is the product of those conversations, I am struck by a number of things. To state the obvious, this issue is huge. The creation/evolution conversation is big in the sense of how broad and interdisciplinary the topics are.” – SBC moderator Kenneth Keathley
“We probably all felt frustrated at times, wondering, Why can’t you see the strength of my argument? or Why can’t you see the danger in your position? If the group had not established strong personal relationships and been committed to humility and Christian unity, we would not have been able to sustain true engagement and would have descended to talking past each other or rancorous debate. … In today’s public square and—sadly—in our churches, people are assign guilt by association, so that even talking with someone of a different view can be seen as an endorsement or agreement with that view. I admire the courage of everyone involved to continue our conversations despite the risks.” – BioLogos author Deborah Haarsma
“The issues addressed in this book are very big and controversial and, even for people with doctoral degrees in science or theology, can be confusing. Our goal in this book was twofold: to help remove some of the confusion and to demonstrate that important controversial disagreement can be addressed in a spirit of gentleness, respect, and love. … This book…is a two-views book but not a debate book. We purposely avoided long rebuttals and responses, recognizing that there is not enough room within a single volume to engage in sufficient depth to map out pathways for resolution of our differences. Our goal is to do that in future books.” – Reasons to Believe author Hugh Ross
RECOMMENDED?
While I remain unconvinced on many of the particulars, I did find the book helpful in better understanding some of my brothers and sisters in Christ and applaud the way in which all participants demonstrated the love of Christ. I look forward to delving into some of the more specialized and detailed sources cited.
*I received a temporary, unpublished digital copy (hence no page numbers for included quotations) for review from IVP Academic via NetGalley.
WHO ARE THEY?
BioLogos is quite a diverse group with no central board of scholars dictating their beliefs and findings to others. Their “core commitments” are relatively broad:
• We embrace the historical Christian faith, upholding the authority and inspiration of the Bible.
• We affirm evolutionary creation, recognizing God as Creator of all life over biollions of years.
• We seek truth, ever learning as we study the natural world and the Bible.
• We strive for humility and gracious dialogue with those who hold other views.
• We aim for excellence in all areas, from science to education to business practices.
When an author writes from the perspective of BioLogos, he or she often includes a caveat that not all within the organization may agree on the specifics (or even in general, as the case may be). The organization’s focus is primarily on educating Christians in the “both-and” of science and Scripture in hopes of ending or smoothing controversies surrounding both and the fear and/or disdain many have for evolutionary theory.
Reasons to Believe is rather exclusive with only a small team of four scientists (Fazale Rana, Anjeanette Roberts, Hugh Ross, Jeff Zweerink) and one theologian (Kenneth Samples) leading the pack. Requirements for participation include signing a four-page doctrinal statement (“explicitly Protestant and evangelical, patterned after Reformation creeds, but allows for diversity of views on eschatology, spiritual gifts, and the paradox of human free will and divine predestination”) with a view of biblical inerrancy as articulated by the International Council on Biblical Inerrancy, a Christian behavior contract, and RTB’s mission statement. When an author writes from the perspective of RTB, it is assumed all are in agreement. The organization’s focus is evangelizing non-Christians into a saving relationship with Jesus.
CONTRIBUTING AUTHORS
Southern Baptist Convention: Ted Cabal, James Dew, Ken Keathley, John Laing, Steve Lemke, Robert Stewart
BioLogos: Darrel Falk, Deborah Haarsma, Loren Haarsma, Jeff Schloss, Ralph Stearley, J. B. Stump, John Walton
Reasons to Believe: Fazale “Fuz” Rana, Hugh Ross, Kenneth Samples, Jeff Zweerink
ABOUT THE BOOK
Though not likely to convince and swing young-earth and “literal six-day” creationists to an old-earth perspective, it proves helpful in better understanding the two provided views in general and in pointing to much needed further detailed and precise information (see footnotes and bibliography for sources). The format of each chapter includes an SBC moderator introduction with questions, a response from a BioLogos author followed by the RTB response, a redirect with clarifications and questions from SBC, a response from BioLogos and RTB in the same order, and a conclusion from SBC. While authors BioLogos appear to be much more specific, detailed, and thorough than those from RTB, there simply isn’t enough time or space for fully articulated arguments and responses, and I wonder if the discussion would have been any different if the order had alternated between BioLogos and RTB responses. It would also have been helpful had the authors been able to edit their responses to better suit the moderator’s questions as intended rather than some moderator conclusions ending with something akin to “I must have been misunderstood” or “my questions weren’t really answered.” It definitely reads as an ongoing conversation, which it is, than a thoroughly prepared articulation of two views, which it isn’t.
STARTING WITH THE END
Some people read the end/conclusion of a book before reading the first page, which I find intriguing, especially in regards to fiction in general and mystery in particular. While I am not one who practices this, I perceive a few things mentioned in this book’s final chapter to be helpful on both bookends. So, for the reader’s benefit, here are three quotes from the end that should prove beneficial before starting on page one:
“After participating in all of our conversations with Reasons to Believe and BioLogos and now after working through this book, which is the product of those conversations, I am struck by a number of things. To state the obvious, this issue is huge. The creation/evolution conversation is big in the sense of how broad and interdisciplinary the topics are.” – SBC moderator Kenneth Keathley
“We probably all felt frustrated at times, wondering, Why can’t you see the strength of my argument? or Why can’t you see the danger in your position? If the group had not established strong personal relationships and been committed to humility and Christian unity, we would not have been able to sustain true engagement and would have descended to talking past each other or rancorous debate. … In today’s public square and—sadly—in our churches, people are assign guilt by association, so that even talking with someone of a different view can be seen as an endorsement or agreement with that view. I admire the courage of everyone involved to continue our conversations despite the risks.” – BioLogos author Deborah Haarsma
“The issues addressed in this book are very big and controversial and, even for people with doctoral degrees in science or theology, can be confusing. Our goal in this book was twofold: to help remove some of the confusion and to demonstrate that important controversial disagreement can be addressed in a spirit of gentleness, respect, and love. … This book…is a two-views book but not a debate book. We purposely avoided long rebuttals and responses, recognizing that there is not enough room within a single volume to engage in sufficient depth to map out pathways for resolution of our differences. Our goal is to do that in future books.” – Reasons to Believe author Hugh Ross
RECOMMENDED?
While I remain unconvinced on many of the particulars, I did find the book helpful in better understanding some of my brothers and sisters in Christ and applaud the way in which all participants demonstrated the love of Christ. I look forward to delving into some of the more specialized and detailed sources cited.
*I received a temporary, unpublished digital copy (hence no page numbers for included quotations) for review from IVP Academic via NetGalley.
August 24, 2017
It’s a hot topic that will often raise the hackles, hoots and howls of many, no matter on which side of the intersection they stand. That’s what makes “Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation? Discussing Origins with Reasons to Believe and BioLogos” such a unique work. Edited by Kenneth Keathley, director of the L. Russ Bush Center for Faith and Culture and professor of theology at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina, J.B. Stump, senior editor at BioLogos, and Joe Aguirre, editor in chief at Reasons to Believe, this 256 page paperback does the nearly unthinkable: clears the pavement and gives space in the crosswalk for a hearty conversation. Here is a “Two-Views” book on the different creation models propounded by BioLogos and Reasons to Believe. It is set up to “help lay readers identify science-faith issues, comprehend what the two organizations stand for, understand the nature of their dialogue and what the two organizations hope to achieve through it, and appreciate how they and the church at large can benefit from the conversation” (6). But it also demonstrates “that two creationist organizations can strongly disagree with one another while treating one another with Christian charity, respect, and a willingness to seriously consider the merits of an opposing position” (7). Beyond the subjects themselves, this is one of the most important purposes of the book!
Each chapter of “Old Earth or Evolutionary Creation?” follows the same structure. There is an assigned moderator for each chapter (Southern Baptist seminary professors) who begins the discussion of a given topic. Then the BioLogos representative – who hold to an evolutionary creationist position – states their perspective, affirmations, clarifications and evidences. Next the Reasons to Believe delegate – who present an old earth but special human creation view – exhibits their position, explanations, substantiations and amplifications. Afterward the moderator “Redirects” both participants with questions for further clarification to which the two parties respond respectively. And lastly the chapter ends with a summarization by the moderator. By following this clearly marked out pattern, it truly helps to keep the reader’s head in the game!
The subjects covered in this book are focused along a specific trajectory. It begins with both groups defining their organizations with their similarities and distinctions. Then the topics start moving along a defined line: Biblical authority and interpretation, Adam and Eve, God’s involvement in creation, scientific methodology, evolution, and geological-fossil-biological-anthropological evidences. On the one hand, none of the participants get so deep in their given field to utterly lose the reader with guild-specific lingo; which means, on the other hand, that the amount of evidence from either party is minimal, and there is a lot of “for more details refer to this book or that article”. But overall, the approach taken up in the book makes the subjects graspable and keeps those of us who are uninitiated from giving up in hopeless despair.
I found myself in disagreement with both schools at numerous places, and most often with BioLogos. For example, all of us agree with God’s two books of revelation (creation and canon), but for all of the loud protestations still the BioLogos spokespersons appeared to give greater respect to biology, geology, archeology, paleoanthropology and archaeogenetics; and left me with the feeling that materialist naturalism really was their unrecognized blueprint. Also, since their view of the beginning of things accepts micro and macro evolution, it appeared to me that it left potential holes in their means of salvation and created huge question marks with regard to their concept of the new heavens and new earth, and resurrected humans in glory. To their credit, they emphatically affirmed a very traditional Evangelical and Protestant outlook on Jesus and the way of salvation, but it simply didn’t seem to naturally flow out of their model.
Though “Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation” is not exhaustive or overwhelmingly persuasive, nevertheless it is a helpful manual on multiple levels. In this single volume a student has a very clear and concise summary of the important issues. But also, compacted into a small volume, are the explicit and reasoned positions of both BioLogos and Reasons to Believe stated by their own representatives. Finally, as I specified at the end of the opening paragraph, this manuscript shows how Christian adults who are convinced of their positions can civilly discuss a hot subject without raising hackles, hoots and howls. For at least these three reasons I highly recommend this book.
Thanks to InterVarsity Press for providing, upon my request, the free copy of the book used for this review. The assessments are mine given without restrictions or requirements (as per Federal Trade Commission’s 16 CFR, Part 255).
Each chapter of “Old Earth or Evolutionary Creation?” follows the same structure. There is an assigned moderator for each chapter (Southern Baptist seminary professors) who begins the discussion of a given topic. Then the BioLogos representative – who hold to an evolutionary creationist position – states their perspective, affirmations, clarifications and evidences. Next the Reasons to Believe delegate – who present an old earth but special human creation view – exhibits their position, explanations, substantiations and amplifications. Afterward the moderator “Redirects” both participants with questions for further clarification to which the two parties respond respectively. And lastly the chapter ends with a summarization by the moderator. By following this clearly marked out pattern, it truly helps to keep the reader’s head in the game!
The subjects covered in this book are focused along a specific trajectory. It begins with both groups defining their organizations with their similarities and distinctions. Then the topics start moving along a defined line: Biblical authority and interpretation, Adam and Eve, God’s involvement in creation, scientific methodology, evolution, and geological-fossil-biological-anthropological evidences. On the one hand, none of the participants get so deep in their given field to utterly lose the reader with guild-specific lingo; which means, on the other hand, that the amount of evidence from either party is minimal, and there is a lot of “for more details refer to this book or that article”. But overall, the approach taken up in the book makes the subjects graspable and keeps those of us who are uninitiated from giving up in hopeless despair.
I found myself in disagreement with both schools at numerous places, and most often with BioLogos. For example, all of us agree with God’s two books of revelation (creation and canon), but for all of the loud protestations still the BioLogos spokespersons appeared to give greater respect to biology, geology, archeology, paleoanthropology and archaeogenetics; and left me with the feeling that materialist naturalism really was their unrecognized blueprint. Also, since their view of the beginning of things accepts micro and macro evolution, it appeared to me that it left potential holes in their means of salvation and created huge question marks with regard to their concept of the new heavens and new earth, and resurrected humans in glory. To their credit, they emphatically affirmed a very traditional Evangelical and Protestant outlook on Jesus and the way of salvation, but it simply didn’t seem to naturally flow out of their model.
Though “Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation” is not exhaustive or overwhelmingly persuasive, nevertheless it is a helpful manual on multiple levels. In this single volume a student has a very clear and concise summary of the important issues. But also, compacted into a small volume, are the explicit and reasoned positions of both BioLogos and Reasons to Believe stated by their own representatives. Finally, as I specified at the end of the opening paragraph, this manuscript shows how Christian adults who are convinced of their positions can civilly discuss a hot subject without raising hackles, hoots and howls. For at least these three reasons I highly recommend this book.
Thanks to InterVarsity Press for providing, upon my request, the free copy of the book used for this review. The assessments are mine given without restrictions or requirements (as per Federal Trade Commission’s 16 CFR, Part 255).
July 15, 2017
Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation?: Discussing Origins with Reasons to Believe and BioLogos edited by Kenneth Keathley, J. B. Stump, and Joe Aguirre brings together a decade of fruitful conversations between two prominent organizations with two similar, and yet, very different views of the creation debate.
Reasons to Believe (RTB) is an apologetics organization that “engages Christians with differing creations theologies with the goal of pursuing reconciliation through love, truth, and peace so that non-Christians observing these dialogues may be encouraged to trust [RTB] in helping them to be reconciled to Christ” (p. 3). BioLogos is an affiliate group of scientists and scholars seeking to illuminate how contemporary scientific consensus can be reconciled with Scripture. As Deborah Haarsma notes, “too many people have left the church or felt they couldn't commit their lives to God because they perceive science (particularly biological evolution) to be the enemy of Christianity. Our goal [at BioLogos] is to call such people back to faith or invite them to consider the gospel for the first time, as we proclaim Christ as the Creator of all things in heaven and on earth” (p. 3).
As the title implies, Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation? is not concerned from a content standpoint with Young-Earth Creation (YEC) views or the various arguments and commitments that they necessitate—this despite the positions of some of the moderator comments throughout the volume. The book is organized topically around several questions. RTB represents an Old-Earth view of creation and BioLogos represents an Evolutionary Creation view. Unlike other multiview books, the tone of Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation? reads more like a dialogue between friends and colleagues than an academic exercise. Each chapter addresses a specific topic or question related to the debate and a representative expert from the organization provides a positive presentation. Afterward, the moderator (which varies by chapter) offers a summary and aims to push the conversation towards a productive end for the reader by asking specific follow up questions (often from a YEC perspective). Each contributor then answers the questions raised by the moderator and the moderator closes the chapter with a summary of the dialogue.
There is much to be praised about this volume. First, and probably foremost, while the content of the book can tend to get rather technical at times (especially for non-specialists in the related fields of science), the editors and contributors have intentionally aimed to make the book and its arguments accessible to the broadest audience possible. It's easy to follow and the interaction is appropriately presented for the target audience. Second, despite being a topic of heated debate, the editors and contributors have overtly molded what it looks like to disagree with respect and charity. Third, the organization and format of the book offered ample room for discussion. There is almost no stone unturned in this volume, and the moderators aren't shy about asking difficult questions (e.g. If evolutionary creation is true, and you believe that mankind is created in the image of God but descended from a common ancestor, at what stage did mankind receive the image of God?). Lastly, while most readers will find disagreement at some point (maybe even every page), the level of clarity around the specific issues discussed is to be commended.
Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation?: Discussing Origins with Reasons to Believe and BioLogos edited by Kenneth Keathley, J. B. Stump, and Joe Aguirre brings together a decade of fruitful conversations between two prominent organizations with two different views of the creation debate. If you are looking for a detailed treatment of the two alternative creation views, then this is the most up-to-date and comprehensive treatment available. The interaction is always charitable and passion for truth is ever-present. Ultimately, I’m not sure that I’m convinced by either view, but I would wholeheartedly recommend it without any real hesitation. Honestly, don’t wait, get it now.
Reasons to Believe (RTB) is an apologetics organization that “engages Christians with differing creations theologies with the goal of pursuing reconciliation through love, truth, and peace so that non-Christians observing these dialogues may be encouraged to trust [RTB] in helping them to be reconciled to Christ” (p. 3). BioLogos is an affiliate group of scientists and scholars seeking to illuminate how contemporary scientific consensus can be reconciled with Scripture. As Deborah Haarsma notes, “too many people have left the church or felt they couldn't commit their lives to God because they perceive science (particularly biological evolution) to be the enemy of Christianity. Our goal [at BioLogos] is to call such people back to faith or invite them to consider the gospel for the first time, as we proclaim Christ as the Creator of all things in heaven and on earth” (p. 3).
As the title implies, Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation? is not concerned from a content standpoint with Young-Earth Creation (YEC) views or the various arguments and commitments that they necessitate—this despite the positions of some of the moderator comments throughout the volume. The book is organized topically around several questions. RTB represents an Old-Earth view of creation and BioLogos represents an Evolutionary Creation view. Unlike other multiview books, the tone of Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation? reads more like a dialogue between friends and colleagues than an academic exercise. Each chapter addresses a specific topic or question related to the debate and a representative expert from the organization provides a positive presentation. Afterward, the moderator (which varies by chapter) offers a summary and aims to push the conversation towards a productive end for the reader by asking specific follow up questions (often from a YEC perspective). Each contributor then answers the questions raised by the moderator and the moderator closes the chapter with a summary of the dialogue.
There is much to be praised about this volume. First, and probably foremost, while the content of the book can tend to get rather technical at times (especially for non-specialists in the related fields of science), the editors and contributors have intentionally aimed to make the book and its arguments accessible to the broadest audience possible. It's easy to follow and the interaction is appropriately presented for the target audience. Second, despite being a topic of heated debate, the editors and contributors have overtly molded what it looks like to disagree with respect and charity. Third, the organization and format of the book offered ample room for discussion. There is almost no stone unturned in this volume, and the moderators aren't shy about asking difficult questions (e.g. If evolutionary creation is true, and you believe that mankind is created in the image of God but descended from a common ancestor, at what stage did mankind receive the image of God?). Lastly, while most readers will find disagreement at some point (maybe even every page), the level of clarity around the specific issues discussed is to be commended.
Old-Earth or Evolutionary Creation?: Discussing Origins with Reasons to Believe and BioLogos edited by Kenneth Keathley, J. B. Stump, and Joe Aguirre brings together a decade of fruitful conversations between two prominent organizations with two different views of the creation debate. If you are looking for a detailed treatment of the two alternative creation views, then this is the most up-to-date and comprehensive treatment available. The interaction is always charitable and passion for truth is ever-present. Ultimately, I’m not sure that I’m convinced by either view, but I would wholeheartedly recommend it without any real hesitation. Honestly, don’t wait, get it now.
August 3, 2017
This book is the result of a series of meetings between representatives of BioLogos, advocates of evolutionary creation, and Reasons to Believe (RTB), advocates of old-earth creation.
I liked the structure of this book. Each chapter begins with an introduction and questions by a Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) moderator, followed by responses from a representative of each organization. Then there is a redirect by the moderator with specific follow-up questions for each respondent, followed by their responses and a conclusion by the chapter moderator.
Topics covered include biblical interpretation and authority, the range of viable positions concerning Adam and Eve, natural evil, divine action, the scientific method, biological evolution, the geological evidence, the fossil evidence, the biological evidence, and the anthropological evidence.
The purpose of the book is to “help lay readers identify science-faith issues, comprehend what the two organizations stand for, understand the nature of their dialogue and what the two organizations hope to achieve through it, and appreciate how they and the church at large can benefit from the conversation.” (p. 6)
BioLogos is committed to the following core doctrines: (1) Humans are created “in the image of God,” with a special relationship to God and a role to play in God’s creation, (2) All humans who have ever lived have sinned by rebelling against God’s revealed will, and (3) God has dealt with sin through Christ’s incarnation, death, resurrection, ascension, and promised return. (p. 50)
Within that commitment, BioLogos suggests four potentially viable scenarios for interpreting Genesis 2-3 that could be consistent with both biological evolution and their core doctrines. In response, Ken Samples of RTB concisely states the traditional case for a historical Adam and Eve as the progenitors of all humanity. RTB’s objections to the creation of mankind via biological evolution focus on both the theological difficulties and the biological evidence.
Loren Haarsma of BioLogos presents a good discussion of the interaction of science and biblical interpretation, including the observation that, “BioLogos does not believe that science trumps theology or biblical interpretation, but we do believe that theology and biblical interpretation can draw useful insights from scientific discoveries.” (p. 50)
Darrel Falk of BioLogos points out that “many of us who subscribe to evolutionary creation do believe in a historical Adam and Eve. It is important to emphasize that mainstream science does not imply that Adam and Eve did not exist, just that they could not have been the only two progenitors of the human race.” (p. 136)
The most interesting chapters are the two where BioLogos and RTB disagree the most, namely interpreting the evidence for biological evolution (Chap. 7) and interpreting the anthropological evidence for the uniqueness of humans (Chap. 11).
The brief final chapter (“What is the Next Step?”) has a very promising title but contains very little meat to chew on.
It is no surprise that the SBC moderators tend to side with the RTB position whenever it differs from the BioLogos position. It is also no surprise that I tend to side with the BioLogos position. RTB is very good in the areas of cosmological evolution but leaves a bit to be desired in the area of biological evolution. Fazale Rana, the VP of research for RTB, demonstrates in the book that there are a number of things that he doesn’t accept about biological evolution, including the Cambrian explosion and the nature of convergence in evolution. Perhaps this explains why RTB has such a problem with biological evolution.
This book provides the clearest-yet description of the positions of these two organizations as well as a clarification of their differences. I can recommend it to Christians who want to learn more about the intersection of biological evolution and Christian theology.
I liked the structure of this book. Each chapter begins with an introduction and questions by a Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) moderator, followed by responses from a representative of each organization. Then there is a redirect by the moderator with specific follow-up questions for each respondent, followed by their responses and a conclusion by the chapter moderator.
Topics covered include biblical interpretation and authority, the range of viable positions concerning Adam and Eve, natural evil, divine action, the scientific method, biological evolution, the geological evidence, the fossil evidence, the biological evidence, and the anthropological evidence.
The purpose of the book is to “help lay readers identify science-faith issues, comprehend what the two organizations stand for, understand the nature of their dialogue and what the two organizations hope to achieve through it, and appreciate how they and the church at large can benefit from the conversation.” (p. 6)
BioLogos is committed to the following core doctrines: (1) Humans are created “in the image of God,” with a special relationship to God and a role to play in God’s creation, (2) All humans who have ever lived have sinned by rebelling against God’s revealed will, and (3) God has dealt with sin through Christ’s incarnation, death, resurrection, ascension, and promised return. (p. 50)
Within that commitment, BioLogos suggests four potentially viable scenarios for interpreting Genesis 2-3 that could be consistent with both biological evolution and their core doctrines. In response, Ken Samples of RTB concisely states the traditional case for a historical Adam and Eve as the progenitors of all humanity. RTB’s objections to the creation of mankind via biological evolution focus on both the theological difficulties and the biological evidence.
Loren Haarsma of BioLogos presents a good discussion of the interaction of science and biblical interpretation, including the observation that, “BioLogos does not believe that science trumps theology or biblical interpretation, but we do believe that theology and biblical interpretation can draw useful insights from scientific discoveries.” (p. 50)
Darrel Falk of BioLogos points out that “many of us who subscribe to evolutionary creation do believe in a historical Adam and Eve. It is important to emphasize that mainstream science does not imply that Adam and Eve did not exist, just that they could not have been the only two progenitors of the human race.” (p. 136)
The most interesting chapters are the two where BioLogos and RTB disagree the most, namely interpreting the evidence for biological evolution (Chap. 7) and interpreting the anthropological evidence for the uniqueness of humans (Chap. 11).
The brief final chapter (“What is the Next Step?”) has a very promising title but contains very little meat to chew on.
It is no surprise that the SBC moderators tend to side with the RTB position whenever it differs from the BioLogos position. It is also no surprise that I tend to side with the BioLogos position. RTB is very good in the areas of cosmological evolution but leaves a bit to be desired in the area of biological evolution. Fazale Rana, the VP of research for RTB, demonstrates in the book that there are a number of things that he doesn’t accept about biological evolution, including the Cambrian explosion and the nature of convergence in evolution. Perhaps this explains why RTB has such a problem with biological evolution.
This book provides the clearest-yet description of the positions of these two organizations as well as a clarification of their differences. I can recommend it to Christians who want to learn more about the intersection of biological evolution and Christian theology.
August 27, 2017
This is the second book in the BioLogos Books on Science and Christianity series. Although I read the first one in the series, How I Changed My Mind About Evolution, I found this one to be far more interesting. The book takes a two views approach, but as the editors mention, it is not a debate per se. Rather, the goal of the book was for two organizations that interact with science and faith, BioLogos and Reasons to Believe, to clarify their positions on evolution and theology, including where they agreed and where they disagreed. Along the way, Southern Baptist Convention theologians were invited to participate and took on the role of moderators.
I give this book five stars because it seems clear to me the book accomplished what it set out to do. As a reader who is reasonably familiar with the BioLogos position and decidedly less so about RTB, I can honestly say that I have a better understanding of both of their positions, being that of evolutionary creation and old-earth creation, respectively. Along the way, a variety of topics are addressed. The chapters initially cover more preliminary and presuppositional concerns, such as the interpretation of Scripture, the role and agency of God in the universe, the appropriate use and role of the scientific method, etc. The second half of the book examines more of the scientific evidence for evolution, specifically in the areas of geology, paleontology, biology, and anthropology. Although I've read other books on science and faith, I still learned a fair amount of new information from this book. It was also accessible and readable for me, as a nonspecialist.
Finally, I appreciated the way the two positions presented their viewpoints. I found the dialogue to be charitable and without rancor. I also enjoyed the fact that after each side presented their two perspectives they were then given a chance to respond to further questions by the moderator. The redirects allowed them to address not only the other organization's position, but to further clarify their own. Ultimately, this book does not resolve the controversy of theology and the science of origins, as the editors admit it does not, but it does bring clarity and fellowship between the two organizations and highlight areas where both sides need to do further research and investigating.
I give this book five stars because it seems clear to me the book accomplished what it set out to do. As a reader who is reasonably familiar with the BioLogos position and decidedly less so about RTB, I can honestly say that I have a better understanding of both of their positions, being that of evolutionary creation and old-earth creation, respectively. Along the way, a variety of topics are addressed. The chapters initially cover more preliminary and presuppositional concerns, such as the interpretation of Scripture, the role and agency of God in the universe, the appropriate use and role of the scientific method, etc. The second half of the book examines more of the scientific evidence for evolution, specifically in the areas of geology, paleontology, biology, and anthropology. Although I've read other books on science and faith, I still learned a fair amount of new information from this book. It was also accessible and readable for me, as a nonspecialist.
Finally, I appreciated the way the two positions presented their viewpoints. I found the dialogue to be charitable and without rancor. I also enjoyed the fact that after each side presented their two perspectives they were then given a chance to respond to further questions by the moderator. The redirects allowed them to address not only the other organization's position, but to further clarify their own. Ultimately, this book does not resolve the controversy of theology and the science of origins, as the editors admit it does not, but it does bring clarity and fellowship between the two organizations and highlight areas where both sides need to do further research and investigating.
January 13, 2021
Other reviews will tell you about the content and structure of this book. I will support any assertion that says this book is VERY well done, contains diverse viewpoints well-defended by all, and can well-inform any reader that wants to dig into the various ways Christians can read the biblical creation narrative.
So I'll focus my review on one question: How much do I like this book? A LOT.
I've read this book through at least twice that I can recall, it's that good. I've also recommended it to my church pastor, and with whom I enjoyed a good conversation afterward. (We didn't see entirely eye-to-eye afterwards, but we are both respectful enough of the diligence in the book to appreciate that we can both have independent conclusions and still both be faithful to scripture.)
I've also recommended it to many Christians who have quietly-held concerns about the biblical creation narrative, and who are also people who are comfortable with science being a language that can accurately describe the world we live in. It has been helpful to those who have read it.
And, I would recommend it to you. I would say, however, that if you enter the book with your heels dug in, looking for weapons to defend your world view, you'll find what you seek. BUT, you may miss what's available to you if you aren't ready to set those weapons down for a while, and hear the conversation, and see what quality thinking is available to add to and enrich your world view with things that may not have previously been comfortable for you.
Note: My "date read" is approximate. Despite liking the book so much, it appears I failed to write a review of it at the time. (Maybe because I was so excited about spreading the word about it IRL, vs. online.)
So I'll focus my review on one question: How much do I like this book? A LOT.
I've read this book through at least twice that I can recall, it's that good. I've also recommended it to my church pastor, and with whom I enjoyed a good conversation afterward. (We didn't see entirely eye-to-eye afterwards, but we are both respectful enough of the diligence in the book to appreciate that we can both have independent conclusions and still both be faithful to scripture.)
I've also recommended it to many Christians who have quietly-held concerns about the biblical creation narrative, and who are also people who are comfortable with science being a language that can accurately describe the world we live in. It has been helpful to those who have read it.
And, I would recommend it to you. I would say, however, that if you enter the book with your heels dug in, looking for weapons to defend your world view, you'll find what you seek. BUT, you may miss what's available to you if you aren't ready to set those weapons down for a while, and hear the conversation, and see what quality thinking is available to add to and enrich your world view with things that may not have previously been comfortable for you.
Note: My "date read" is approximate. Despite liking the book so much, it appears I failed to write a review of it at the time. (Maybe because I was so excited about spreading the word about it IRL, vs. online.)
January 16, 2019
For those that say Old Earth Creationism and Evolutionary creationism are two sides of the same coin, you need to read this book.
Doctrines provide distinctions and those distinctions will determine the doctrine. The OEC and EC camp, though Christlike and friendly, have sharp divisions.
The format of this book is that various theological professors from Southwestern, Southern Baptist, and other seminaries, propose questions to both a writer from the Biologos camp and the Reasons to believe camp and they answer it. A rejoinder is offered and both writers respond to it and to one another.
My only qualm is that the questions were obviously weighed in the balance in favor of RTB as the majority of professors in this book disagree (by their own writings in this book) with Evolutionary theory. Regardless, this is a good example of how to have a conversation that is worth having. We can disagree and still be friends and still fight for the cause of Christ beside one another. The relationship between RTB and Biologos has evolved (pun intended) to what it is today because of the desire to do just that.
Doctrines provide distinctions and those distinctions will determine the doctrine. The OEC and EC camp, though Christlike and friendly, have sharp divisions.
The format of this book is that various theological professors from Southwestern, Southern Baptist, and other seminaries, propose questions to both a writer from the Biologos camp and the Reasons to believe camp and they answer it. A rejoinder is offered and both writers respond to it and to one another.
My only qualm is that the questions were obviously weighed in the balance in favor of RTB as the majority of professors in this book disagree (by their own writings in this book) with Evolutionary theory. Regardless, this is a good example of how to have a conversation that is worth having. We can disagree and still be friends and still fight for the cause of Christ beside one another. The relationship between RTB and Biologos has evolved (pun intended) to what it is today because of the desire to do just that.
October 10, 2022
A very good book and totally worth reading. This book is of the format where a moderator poses a question to two groups. Each group responds to the moderator's questions. Then the moderator redirects questions to clarify what each author said.
The two groups in this book are BioLogis and Reasons to Believe (RTB). BioLogos is a group that calls itself "evolutionary creationism" (EC) and RTB is a group that calls itself "old-earth creationsims" (OEC). EC used to be called theistic evolution, but that term is no longer in use.
While the format is a bit of a debate between the two groups, it is done in a very cordial manner. This is unlike the "young earth creation" (YEC) camp where they are very combative and argumentative. So, it was refreshing to see two groups with similarities and differences to be cordial in their interaction.
If you are interested in the YEC and Intelligent Design viewpoints along with BioLogos and RTBs views then I would recommend the book "Four Views on Creation, Evolution and Intelligent Design. But be forewarned that the YEC author (Ken Ham in this book) will not be cordial - to say the least.
The two groups in this book are BioLogis and Reasons to Believe (RTB). BioLogos is a group that calls itself "evolutionary creationism" (EC) and RTB is a group that calls itself "old-earth creationsims" (OEC). EC used to be called theistic evolution, but that term is no longer in use.
While the format is a bit of a debate between the two groups, it is done in a very cordial manner. This is unlike the "young earth creation" (YEC) camp where they are very combative and argumentative. So, it was refreshing to see two groups with similarities and differences to be cordial in their interaction.
If you are interested in the YEC and Intelligent Design viewpoints along with BioLogos and RTBs views then I would recommend the book "Four Views on Creation, Evolution and Intelligent Design. But be forewarned that the YEC author (Ken Ham in this book) will not be cordial - to say the least.
June 6, 2019
This book details the friendly debate by two groups who believe in evolutionary creation, moderated by a group of conservative Southern Baptists. They touch on all the hot topics - creation, Adam & Eve, theodicy, etc.
While this is a valiant effort, I have a few issues with the book. I don't really know who the two groups are (though they take pains to explain their stands on everything) so a summary of what they believe in and what separates the two groups who have been helpful.
Secondly, was surprised young earth theory was hardly mentioned, despite noting in the introduction that the moderators (or the vast congregations represented by the moderators) still firmly believe in it. If you want to really make a comprehensive argument, I believe this should be addressed.
While this is a valiant effort, I have a few issues with the book. I don't really know who the two groups are (though they take pains to explain their stands on everything) so a summary of what they believe in and what separates the two groups who have been helpful.
Secondly, was surprised young earth theory was hardly mentioned, despite noting in the introduction that the moderators (or the vast congregations represented by the moderators) still firmly believe in it. If you want to really make a comprehensive argument, I believe this should be addressed.
February 9, 2018
The first few chapters were a bit dry for me, but some of the questions explored in later chapters were very interesting and informative. This book is basically the guided dialogue of two Christian organizations who believe in an old earth (aligning more with mainstream scientific estimates than with young earth creationists who believe the earth is only about 4500 years old). The discussions outline their differences and similarities, and provide an interesting understanding into why members from each camp believe what they do regarding creation and evolution. I enjoyed learning more about these differing positions and weighing the evidence and arguments for myself.
December 14, 2018
Solid book outlining the beliefs, similarities, and differences between evolutionary creationism and old-earth creationism. Each chapter covers a different facet of disagreement between the two positions. While I approached this book as an Old Earth Creationist and remain so, I was challenged by some of the arguments of the evolutionary creationist advocates. I have come away from the book with a much better understanding of both schools of thought and the reasoning behind their two systems.
Great book for anyone who is interested in the creation/evolution debate.
Great book for anyone who is interested in the creation/evolution debate.
July 23, 2019
A helpful book that puts issues into clear relief. Deals with questions of methodological naturalism, the authority of Scripture, the age of the earth, the fossil record, the theory of evolution including common descent and the question of human uniqueness. What I especially appreciated was the way the two sides treated one another. In spite of some serious disagreements, they were very civil and fair. It was a model for discourse in our divided times. Personally, I found that the Biologos writers had a better handle on the issues.
July 21, 2017
Много добра книга, която показва, че хората могат да си говорят цивилизовано дори да не са съгласни едни с други.
Макар че на места прескачах техническата информация, която като неспециалист няма как да преценя, участниците говорят много ясно и не оставят съмнения какви са действителните им позиции, съгласия и несъгласия.
Макар че на места прескачах техническата информация, която като неспециалист няма как да преценя, участниците говорят много ясно и не оставят съмнения какви са действителните им позиции, съгласия и несъгласия.
May 5, 2023
This is just a transcription of discussions between two large organizations/think tanks advocating the integration of science and faith. I'm more of a fan of RTB than BioLogos, but both are imperfect while still having some good things to say. Much of it doesn’t apply to the thesis I read it for, but it does provide a few valuable summaries and highlights discrepancies with good citations.
November 11, 2021
Short version: the work should serve as a model of passionate and detailed coversation held within a spiritual community, promoting reconciliation and resisting division.
Full version: https://englewoodreview.org/old-earth...
Full version: https://englewoodreview.org/old-earth...
January 9, 2018
Science and Faith are at a crossroads in today's world. The new atheists like Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, and Stephen Hawking are pushing the conclusion that Science rules out Faith. No need to believe in a "God of the gaps" anymore. Everything can be explained by Science.
Christians can seem to corroborate this view by disputing the widely held claims of Science and clinging stubbornly to a young earth based on their interpretation of the first book of the Bible. Case in point. You either take Science, or you hold to your Faith.
Increasingly, evangelical Christians are moving away from an "anti-Science" approach (which itself largely stems from the 1961 book The Genesis Flood by John Whitcomb and Henry Morris), and embracing an "old-earth creationist" approach which has an affinity with evangelical positions held widely from the 18th through early 20th Centuries. Two of the most influential Christian organizations which respect Science and hold to an old earth, yet also stand against the new atheism and its denial of a Creator, are Reasons to Believe (RTB) and BioLogos.
The main difference between the two is RTB's denial of evolution as the mechanism by which God created animals and man. Instead RTB believes in a series of special creative acts throughout Earth's long history. BioLogos on the other hand, sees evolution as testament to God's handiwork and not at all antithetical to a belief in human exceptionalism and humanity's creation in the Image of God. Their approach is termed evolutionary creation.
Such is not a small difference, but over the past several years representatives from both of these organizations have met routinely to dialogue and better understand their respective positions. This book is one of the results of that ongoing interaction. The moderators for their meetings have been professors at a number of Southern Baptist institutions, who mostly represent a young earth approach. Each chapter in the book starts with one of the Southern Baptist moderators presenting the stage for that chapter's topic and asking questions of both organizations.
Rather than being a typical "two views" book, the use of moderators keeps the tone gracious and the result is an introduction to the views of both organizations on a host of important topics related to the intersection of Science and Faith generally, and on the evidences for evolution in particular. Key topics covered include how each group explains natural evil and death predating "the Fall", what range of options concerning Adam and Eve are viable positions for each group, what role does natural theology play, how does the Bible inform their scientific positions, how is the fossil evidence for evolution and particularly the hominids best explained, and how does genetics support each group's position.
This book delivered a fantastic introduction to each organization and points the way forward for further research. It will introduce people to viable evangelical positions and raise questions and evidences that the reader may not have thought of before. It is a technical book, and there will be sections over the head of the average reader, but for the most part the moderators do a good job of keeping things grounded.
For those who hold to a young-earth, there is not much in this volume that directly addresses the evidences for an old-earth and why each organization holds to that understanding, even though one or two of the moderators seem to ask for some of this. Instead both groups agree and move on to the areas where they disagree. In a few of the chapters, there are points I would have raised for or against a given position that don't arise. I am surprised, for instance, that the fusing of two chromosomes found in chimpanzees into a single chromosome found in humans is not brought up (as potential evidence for evolution to be dealt with) in the chapter on genetics. That being said, I learned a lot more about genetics than I had previously, and that illustrates the only real problem I have with this book: there is so much more that could be said in any of these chapters! But all things considered, the editors do a great job of including as much content as they do and still keeping the book readable.
Above all, this book does a great job illustrating how Christians can and should interaction on such issues. The gracious spirit and charitable dialogue found here should be an example for all of us as we think through how best to comprehend the data that Science continues to bring forth in light of the bedrock reality of the Authority of Scripture. This book goes along way toward lighting the way for those who seek to embrace both Science and Faith, and at the very least it advances the discussion in meaningful ways.
Disclaimer: This book was provided by the publisher. The reviewer was under no obligation to offer a positive review.
Christians can seem to corroborate this view by disputing the widely held claims of Science and clinging stubbornly to a young earth based on their interpretation of the first book of the Bible. Case in point. You either take Science, or you hold to your Faith.
Increasingly, evangelical Christians are moving away from an "anti-Science" approach (which itself largely stems from the 1961 book The Genesis Flood by John Whitcomb and Henry Morris), and embracing an "old-earth creationist" approach which has an affinity with evangelical positions held widely from the 18th through early 20th Centuries. Two of the most influential Christian organizations which respect Science and hold to an old earth, yet also stand against the new atheism and its denial of a Creator, are Reasons to Believe (RTB) and BioLogos.
The main difference between the two is RTB's denial of evolution as the mechanism by which God created animals and man. Instead RTB believes in a series of special creative acts throughout Earth's long history. BioLogos on the other hand, sees evolution as testament to God's handiwork and not at all antithetical to a belief in human exceptionalism and humanity's creation in the Image of God. Their approach is termed evolutionary creation.
Such is not a small difference, but over the past several years representatives from both of these organizations have met routinely to dialogue and better understand their respective positions. This book is one of the results of that ongoing interaction. The moderators for their meetings have been professors at a number of Southern Baptist institutions, who mostly represent a young earth approach. Each chapter in the book starts with one of the Southern Baptist moderators presenting the stage for that chapter's topic and asking questions of both organizations.
Rather than being a typical "two views" book, the use of moderators keeps the tone gracious and the result is an introduction to the views of both organizations on a host of important topics related to the intersection of Science and Faith generally, and on the evidences for evolution in particular. Key topics covered include how each group explains natural evil and death predating "the Fall", what range of options concerning Adam and Eve are viable positions for each group, what role does natural theology play, how does the Bible inform their scientific positions, how is the fossil evidence for evolution and particularly the hominids best explained, and how does genetics support each group's position.
This book delivered a fantastic introduction to each organization and points the way forward for further research. It will introduce people to viable evangelical positions and raise questions and evidences that the reader may not have thought of before. It is a technical book, and there will be sections over the head of the average reader, but for the most part the moderators do a good job of keeping things grounded.
For those who hold to a young-earth, there is not much in this volume that directly addresses the evidences for an old-earth and why each organization holds to that understanding, even though one or two of the moderators seem to ask for some of this. Instead both groups agree and move on to the areas where they disagree. In a few of the chapters, there are points I would have raised for or against a given position that don't arise. I am surprised, for instance, that the fusing of two chromosomes found in chimpanzees into a single chromosome found in humans is not brought up (as potential evidence for evolution to be dealt with) in the chapter on genetics. That being said, I learned a lot more about genetics than I had previously, and that illustrates the only real problem I have with this book: there is so much more that could be said in any of these chapters! But all things considered, the editors do a great job of including as much content as they do and still keeping the book readable.
Above all, this book does a great job illustrating how Christians can and should interaction on such issues. The gracious spirit and charitable dialogue found here should be an example for all of us as we think through how best to comprehend the data that Science continues to bring forth in light of the bedrock reality of the Authority of Scripture. This book goes along way toward lighting the way for those who seek to embrace both Science and Faith, and at the very least it advances the discussion in meaningful ways.
Disclaimer: This book was provided by the publisher. The reviewer was under no obligation to offer a positive review.
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August 30, 2017IVP press and Netgalley provided a copy that I could review.
I always though that the problems with evolution and the like came down to Christians v. science. I was wrong. In the middle are Christians who are scientist, and even then they cannot agree.
I may have oversimplified the opening point, but I think that it gets the point across. Even among people of faith, there are varying levels of what they believe just as their are people of science.
This book is an attempt at dialogue between two groups of Christians as they discuss things that matter to them in the attempt to have scripture and the world seem to co-exist in a relevant way.
Though they try to imply that this is a series of moderated writings, it comes across as a series of public debates. BioLogos and RTB has sponsored a series of these moderated by the Southern Baptist Convention so it is not that much of a stretch.
There were many times that I was able to push through and read a lot at one sitting and be interested. Other times I just felt that I was fighting my way through the material. I suspect that was more me and the topics that I seemed to have an interest in. I would imagine that the same would be true for others as well. This is not a book that you will have an interest in every topic.
The layout is familiar for each topic:
*moderator introduces topic
*one group speaks
*other group speaks
*moderator brings up rebuttal topics
*one group speaks
*other group speaks
*moderator sums things up
Each chapter a different subject. Each one covered in detail.
I liked the format, and I especially liked that they could disagree on a topic and not get disagreeable. They were polite and even talked about points of agreement that they had.
I am not sure I could recommend this to anyone I know. Maybe someone taking a philosophy class would enjoy it. I enjoyed the book but I am thinking that this might be an acquired taste for me.
I always though that the problems with evolution and the like came down to Christians v. science. I was wrong. In the middle are Christians who are scientist, and even then they cannot agree.
I may have oversimplified the opening point, but I think that it gets the point across. Even among people of faith, there are varying levels of what they believe just as their are people of science.
This book is an attempt at dialogue between two groups of Christians as they discuss things that matter to them in the attempt to have scripture and the world seem to co-exist in a relevant way.
Though they try to imply that this is a series of moderated writings, it comes across as a series of public debates. BioLogos and RTB has sponsored a series of these moderated by the Southern Baptist Convention so it is not that much of a stretch.
There were many times that I was able to push through and read a lot at one sitting and be interested. Other times I just felt that I was fighting my way through the material. I suspect that was more me and the topics that I seemed to have an interest in. I would imagine that the same would be true for others as well. This is not a book that you will have an interest in every topic.
The layout is familiar for each topic:
*moderator introduces topic
*one group speaks
*other group speaks
*moderator brings up rebuttal topics
*one group speaks
*other group speaks
*moderator sums things up
Each chapter a different subject. Each one covered in detail.
I liked the format, and I especially liked that they could disagree on a topic and not get disagreeable. They were polite and even talked about points of agreement that they had.
I am not sure I could recommend this to anyone I know. Maybe someone taking a philosophy class would enjoy it. I enjoyed the book but I am thinking that this might be an acquired taste for me.
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