Basically, a bunch of 1920s gods based on major modernist figures stuck in the middle of an Agatha Christie murder mystery, done in a comics-prose hybrid that's clearly trying to start a fight with JONATHAN HICKMAN. (Yeah, you heard, Jon. Come at us, bro.) It's high art versus lo art, with the most beautiful AUD KOCH artwork the world has ever seen. We're so excited, we may have to have a lie down.
(A-) 82% | Very Good Notes: Read in trade paperback. Collective review for issues 455 AD, 1373, 1831, 1923, Christmas Annual #1 and The Funnies #1 can be found here: The Wicked + The Divine, Vol. 8: Old Is the New New.
THIS IS ONE GORGEOUS ONE-SHOT and it flows so well from here onto volume 1 of WicDiv that it's kinda unnerving, gaaaah. After the 2014 gods, I think these gods are my favorite reincarnations sobs with the exception of the racist and elitist sucker Baal who got reincarnated as a Black man in his next incarnation. LOL, take that asshole.
Anyway, I super loved the motivation behind the murder and the whole driving theme of elitism vs. egalitarianism in regards to the art and literature was like wowza. The murder mystery is done so well and it's an all-around amazing arc.
The art is just gorgeous; I loved the use of minimal amount of colors and the choice of color palette itself. I wish there would have been more art but the writing is so sumptuous that I don't really mind.
Graphic-novel rafına koyduğuma bakmayın, WicDiv'in geri kalanıyla birlikte dursun diye oraya koydum; içinde çizimden çok yazı var. Bunu farkında değildim başlarken. Kitabın %70'i rahat yazıdan oluşuyor. Anlatım kötü veya sıkıcı olduğundan değil ama, çizgi roman okumayı beklerken bununla karşılaşmak biraz hayal kırıklığı.
Anlatılan hikayeyi de maalesef pek etkileyici bulmadım, ama dönem referansları çok hoşuma gitti ve çizim stili, her ne kadar artık klasikleşmiş stilleri ve renkleri olmasa da, güzeldi bence. Bir Agatha Christie romanı tadı vermeye çalışmışlar sanırım (bunu anlıyorum açıklamadan) ama hiç Agatha Christie okumadığım için karşılaştırmayı yapamayacağım. Onun yerine, renklerin ve stilin bu tarz bir hikayeden bekleyeceğim atmosferi yansıttığını söylemek istiyorum.
Daha iyilerini okumuştum WicDiv'den ama ne yapalım, anlattıkları her hikayeyi aynı derecede sevmek zor zaten.
What an incredible one-off(ish). I feel that it provides some background information for a couple of the characters which I think readers of the main arc could benefit from knowing. If the team adds this information into the main arc, this isn't necessary to read, but the main arcs have been relatively slow burns until they're not.
Now that that's out of the way. The mix of prose and traditional comic format was so freaking cool. I've never read anything like it before in the comic world (although I've only read very specific comics since I was 17...so I'm still pretty new to comics). As someone that loves books, this mix was totally my jam.
We met a couple of new gods this time around (Neptune, Amon-Ra, Susanoo) and some of that are samesies as our 2014 gods (Amaterasu, Lucifer, The Morrigan, The Norns), but the personalities were so different. It just shows what? That these gods don't really know their past lives/don't remember them? Or are they different renditions of these gods under the same name every time?
I don't know the answer to most of my questions at any given time for this series. And that's OK. I'm sure there are reddit threads that delve deep into the culture and the foreshadowing and all that jazz, but I prefer to just read and read and read. After this story ends, I'll go back and discover what I've missed then, but right now, I'm just enjoying the ride.
As much as I dislike extended prose sections in my comics...
This was a fantastic meditation on art in the 20th century, on egalitarianism vs. elitism, on pessimism vs. optimism. It also shed some light on what’s going on the main series.
Hey check Kieron Gillen using a WicDiv one shot special to mix comics and prose together to make up this book. It actually pays off really well too. The prose parts are written really well and it's a good read. Some of Gillens comic work has boarded close to this already (like his JiM run) so this feels little like an evolution of that. Glad it's in a one shot though, this could be off putting if it was in the main ongoing. I also don't think you'd miss much if you skipped this, but you shouldn't skip!
Hmmm, I found this one a little difficult. I was looking forward to seeing the last Pantheon and how they interacted with relatively recent history. However...most of the book is in prose, rather than in graphic novel form. I felt a little bit cheated. Seeing some of the same Gods, Lucifer, Minerva, Woden etc, in different incarnations was interesting. I kept looking for similarities between the older and newer versions. Not quite a spoiler, Woden is still a bleep-head. I do like the artwork. The 1920’s Art Deco inspiration is gorgeous.
Well, uh, this was different. I wasn't expecting this to be more novella than comic, but it was a pretty interesting twist. I skimmed a lot of the text because it was just a little too flowery for me, but it wasn't bad. I also liked the Agatha Christie homage.
Ooh, this was sumptuous. I have not read many Agatha Christie books, but this issue was so evocative of the style and so thrillingly clever. And I love how it took us all the back to the very start, it took me a while to twig that was the direction we were heading in.
Love, love, LOVE this series. Must do my re-read before the next arc!
This series' capacity to reinvent itself while still respecting its core, its essence, is truly admirable. It's always interesting to learn about other pantheons, but it also brings more questions than answers...
So... My theory is that Ananke's captured the creature Woden from 1831 made from Lucifer's experiment on Hades' body, the one she said should outlive them all. It could also explain why this occurence's Woden and the one from our times can't be actual Gods and have to betray/use Mimir's head to tap into whatever creates the deities' powers. Woden sacrificed herself in 1831 to give immortality to her creation, and Ananke's been hiding that from the others to use Humans as her paws, turn them into decoy Wodens. Maybe she needs Mimir's powers but he refuses to be manipulated by her, hence why she's making sure he's always around but incapable of warning the rest of the Pantheon? He's supposed to know everything, so perhaps he's seen what her true goals are, or just sensed something was wrong like Verðandi did in this issue, and now she has to restrain him or something. Although Ananke's plan is still incomprehensible, I feel Lucifer's death indicates how well she's been doing with a Pantheon. When s/he dies first, Ananke's messed up something and will have rebelling deities to deal with. When s/he dies last, like that Roman one, she's been successful in convincing the Gods they only had two years to live and in getting them killed in some fashion that didn't tied her up to their dismiss. I'm starting to wonder if the Great Darkness is the Gods themselves, outliving their Human bodies and/or descending into madness because of their powers, like Roman!Luci did. That one did seem ready to destroy the world, and that's also what the treacherous Gods in this issue were trying to do. I don't think Ananke is the big bad, to be honest. It's too obvious, far from the complexity Gillen's offered so far. But she's still shady as fuck, and I find it really weird that none of the deities seem to remember everything that's happened in their previous times on Earth. Why is none of them like "wait, this shit happened before and the only thing it's always had in common is Ananke"? They seem to forget bits and pieces of previous lives, of their links to the rest of Pantheon, why has none of them been able to remember what Ananke's scheming has done to them? And, of course, what's with the severed heads being kept around and used for weird rituals? Even though Lucifer's head didn't seem conscious this time around, it's interesting to note that it was used in Set's and Baal's ritual (as were the ones of the others deities they killed, I suppose). Unless Ananke's lost the creature and is trying to repeat this ritual with the four heads she's gathered so far? Which makes me realize that Tara's wasn't there in the last issue. Was she unusable because she wanted to die, contrary to the others? Does she have some other purposes? This story's giving me worse headaches than ASOIAF theories xD The more this goes on, the more I'm likely to write a thesis about the secret meaning behind the paintings TW+TD's artists feature in their panels :')
On a different note, I love the fact that the Morrigan looks a bit like Neil Gaiman this time round. I don't know if it was made so on purpose, but I feel like he'll adore the idea. And, of course, it was exquisite to read Baal's disgusting ideas about "inferior races" while knowing he'll be reincarnated into a Black bi/pan man whose little finger holds more intelligence and dignity than this 1920's Baal's entire being. Suck it, loser :D
I really liked the decision to make this issue two color. I think it worked with the "dark and story night" tone, as well as emphasizing the time period it was set in.
However, there were a few things I disliked about this issue. I don't think the prose sections were written well, and thus the story was difficult to get into. The syntax felt affected, particularly towards the beginning of the issue. I was trying to determine if the narration styles were different depending on the point-of-view character in a section, but if so, the differences were minute enough that I couldn't determine if the affected language was meant to play into a particular character. While I liked Susanoo and Minerva as characters, enjoying their parts in the story was difficult when so many of the other characters were so conceited.
This issue was basically a recap of events so far in the ongoing series with some variation on characters. While I would probably normally appreciate that plot device, it felt like another affected aspect of this issue when coupled with the problems I mentioned above.
I did enjoy the suggestion that the acts of the gods play a part in larger world events. I will be interested to see if this addition to the know timeline comes into play in the ongoing series.
Another "flashback" special issue of "The Wicked + The Divine", focusing on the 1923 occurrence of the Pantheon. Anyone who has read the first issue of the series knows how this ends, but there's still a healthy sense of suspense in this intriguing volume that mixes genres: part comic book, part ersatz Agatha Christie novel. It's fun figuring out which real (or fictional?) characters the 1923 "gods" are meant to represent, and their conflicting worldviews and understanding of art lead to some interesting and deadly interactions. I have to say, though, that I can't wait until this series is over, all mysteries (hopefully!) revealed, and I can go back and re-read issues like this with an understanding of what the heck is, in fact, going on here.
Creepy and disturbing at points. The mystery didn't really play fair, and the murders were mostly explained in an infodump on one page. The resolution was not satisfying and a few crucial art panels were too opaque (the violent edge of the water for one)
A cast list, done two ways, portrait and symbol, did not include one very major character. There was more description for the butler. Do a cast list, or do not. This was no try.
Even with these flaws I liked most of it. I thought recasting the familiar gods/archtypes worked well for the most part. I felt sorry for some I would not have expected. I sheer amount ofon camera lying about plots and violence would have been more more surprising if I wasn't expecting it. It's the lies against the god's nature that were alarming and sad.
I hope these gods learned something, and a few of them should have their butts kicked for being dumb. Some of them surprised me.
I loved this so much, because I didn't realize going in that these were the group of gods we were first introduced to in the first issue of this entire series! I liked the juxtaposition between the comic and the longer form writing. It was a murder mystery where everyone knows they're supposed to be dying shortly, but when fellow gods keep showing up dead it doesn't make the entire situation less suspenseful.
Also I recommend as soon as you finish this big special issue to go and pick up the first volume or issue of the series. It flows so perfectly, it's almost chilling. Please read this!
Wavering between 2 and 3 stars, I went with 2 because one of the things I love most about The Wicked + The Divine is the art work so having less of that was disappointing to me. The story was interesting, the art that was there was great. Just wish there had been more personally.
2nd Read:Still so much mystery about what happens here. It’s possible the automaton or whatever is Persephone, but it seems strange Ananke would need the other gods to help summon her. But maybe she’s just fucking with them. Regardless, this is possibly Gillen’s finest work on the series.
So this was not what I was expecting. Despite being packaged like a comic, most of this is prose, which has the effect that the full-page drawings of the various murders are all the more shocking. Yet even if this is very different to the Wicked and the Divine issues I've come to know and love, this is probably my favourite in the series and would be the issue that I would shove at someone wanting to understand why WicDiv has such a claim over my heart and soul.
First off, And Then There were None is one of my favourite Agatha Christie stories, bleak as it is with the fatalism of knowing that all the characters you're reading about are going to meet a grisly end very soon. Recasting it with the gods and having Ananke as a vengeful Agatha Christie/Miss Marple type in the background is the perfect mash-up. Taking that recasting and using the 1920s setting of the original to have a discussion about the build-up to WW2 and popularism vs elitism as the future of art? Genius. You could easily write a dissertation on all the cleverness in here, the tiny allusions which let you know exactly what was going on. I personally had a bit of a moment at "The lights are going out".
Also the choices of each 1920s personality picked to represent the gods were absolutely perfect. Lucifer as Gatsby/Fitzgerald was particularly tragic, but I had a soft spot for the Norms as the trio of dystopian writers, foreseeing different visions of an awful future, and the cinematic duo.
Well, I enjoyed this. Murder mystery and gods during the Roaring twenties with a splash of science fiction during the end, a great mix.
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Like I said, it was pretty good. Loved the 1920s aesthetic and the mystery was intriguing. However, some parts of my wishes that it was a bit longer (maybe a two parter?) so the characters could get more depth (all seemed kind of flat), and it never seemed like the characters were actively attempting to solve the mystery (Minerva stumbling on a murder doesn't really count, and none of them really seemed to care that they were slowly getting picked off, and couldn't any of them leave at any time, technically speaking?), and that we could have actually seen the zeitgeist in action. Did they even destroy it? 'Cause it seemed like at the end the remaining gods didn't touch it, the 1831 Creature is still locked up and none of the islands' technology was destroyed (I think), so any human could have wandered upon it....probably wouldn't had worked, but still.
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Definetely the best prequel to WicDiv and ALSO the most plot-relevant. Which is why you need to read this, even though it's not even a comic but an illustrated short-story, wordily written by Gillen and masterfully illustrated by a guy I never heard of (Aud Koch). The character design, apparently, as it says on the last pages, by McKelvie, is somewhat new (though half of the characters already made an appearance, in book 1 and 7) and very, very good. That being said, Gillen should not write short stories. His writing style is pretty gimmicky, if not even fanficitiony. He does much better writing for an artist to illustrate.
Lo mejor es que puede leerse solito, sin haber leido nada de Wicked con anterioridad. Lo otro mejor es que es mitad comic mitad novela tipo murder mystery party ala Agatha Christie. Y lo más mejor (sí, más) es toda su crítica sobre como los dioses deben morir para que el mundo viva y como al arte funciona en la mente del mundo. Tiene un chingo de crítica social sobre el optimismo y el pesimismo. Después de leer este, vayanse a leer la serie regular, vale la pena :)
There wasn't much to this, and I wasn't sure what the point of the story was. It didn't commit to the Agatha Christie style, but wasn't much of anything else either. Also, I hate to sound like this but it is disappointing to get a comic with very little actual art. If I just wanted a novel, I have lots of options. The character designs were very one note to the point the characters weren't distinguishable, and very few panels stood out as well done. Pretty disappointing.
A murder mystery, 12 gods, and one mysterious leader. Kieron Gillen is wordy (as ever, which is why I'm adding this to my reading challenge -- this is novella length, I swear) but crafts a beautiful And Then There Were None story. You don't need to be up to date on WicDiv to enjoy it, either. Although it helps.
Very interesting plot, very interesting characters. Unsure if this adds a lot, other than... ways to kill gods? And I had a really, really tough time reading it, but maybe that's just because it was online, so... 4 stars. I really did like the characters (MORRIGAN!!!!) and I guess I was just totally spoiled by the Christmas special.
Fills in some of the gaps immediately prior to the events shown in the prologue of the main series and well worth reading for this reason, though the illustration is not as striking as other volumes and most of the story is told in prose which, with the best will in the world is not top quality writing. It feels rather like the appendix material from a collected volume special edition.
This is different then the regular issues of WicDiv. It documents the last days of the 1920s era gods in form of a novella with a handful of comic pages inserted. Interesting read, fitting art & style.
I was kind of meh about all the text at first, but the murder mystery party drew me in. Also, I'm kind of ashamed to say, this issue is where I finally had the, "OHHHH THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS SERIES" moment that I probably missed ages ago. Oops.
Not entirely sure how to rate this one. The fact that this is 2/3 prose really threw me off. More insight and questions. Also it seems that the creature from the previous occurrence is what was captured. Interesting.
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