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That's What She Said: What Men Need to Know (and Women Need to Tell Them) About Working Together

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'Urgently needed' Charles Duhigg, bestselling author of THE POWER OF HABIT and SMARTER

'Attention, good guys: this book is for you' Adam Grant, bestselling author of ORIGINALS and OPTION B with Sheryl Sandberg

'I know what you're thinking: 'Not another career guide-cum-manifesto, telling us to "woman up" and demand more money.' But that isn't what Lipman says. Instead, she uses data, reams of it, to expose how the system is rigged against women. She then calls for men to join the fight to make the workplace more equal' SUNDAY TIMES STYLE MAGAZINE


Women spend their working lives adapting to an environment set up for men, by men: from altering the way they speak to changing the clothes they wear to power posing. But still the gender gap persists. And once you see it - women being overlooked, interrupted, their ideas credited to men - it's impossible to ignore.

But it needn't be this way.

Diving deep into the wide range of government initiatives, corporate experiments and social science research Joanne Lipman offers fascinating new revelations about the way men and women work culled from the Enron scandal, from brain research, from transgender scientists and from Iceland's campaign to 'feminise' an entire nation. Packed with fascinating and entertaining examples - from the woman behind the success of Tupperware to how Google reinvented its hiring process - WIN WIN is a rallying cry to both men and women to finally take real steps towards closing the gender gap.



Published in the US as THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID.

325 pages, Kindle Edition

Published February 22, 2018

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Joanne Lipman

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Award-winning journalist Joanne Lipman is author of the No. 1 bestseller THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID and NEXT! The Power of Reinvention in Life and Work. She is also a Yale University lecturer and CNBC on-air contributor.

Previously, Lipman served as editor in chief of USA Today, USA Today Network, Conde Nast Portfolio, and the Wall Street Journal Weekend, leading those organizations to a combined six Pulitzer Prizes.

At Gannett, where she was also chief content officer, Lipman led USA Today plus 109 local newspapers including the Detroit Free Press, the Des Moines Register, and the Arizona Republic. In that role, she oversaw more than 3,000 journalists and led the organization to three Pulitzer Prizes.

Lipman began her career as a reporter for The Wall Street Journal, ultimately rising to deputy managing editor – the first woman to attain that post – and supervising coverage that won three Pulitzer Prizes.

Lipman is a frequent public speaker and has appeared as a television commentator on ABC, NBC, CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, and PBS. Her work has been published in outlets including The New York Times, Time, Newsweek and the Harvard Business Review. She is co-author, with Melanie Kupchynsky, of the acclaimed music memoir “Strings Attached.”

A winner of the Matrix Award for women in communications, Lipman serves or has served on the Yale University Council, the boards of the Knights Orchestra, the World Editors Forum, and the advisory boards of Breastcancer.org and the Yale School of Music. She is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. and She and her husband live in New York City and are the parents of two grown children.

= Yale grad, mom of two, lapsed viola player. For more, please visit JoanneLipman.com

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"Even today, being male is the norm. Being female is the outlier." Joanne Lipman discusses the pipeline theory, the paradox of meritocracy, the "cool girl" trap, and strategies for addressing each commonly voiced, disparaging opinion about diversity in the workplace. She articulates the common frustration that workpace diversity programs seem to result in exactly the opposite of what they want to achieve, and presents some fantastic actions that we can all take on.
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