Venom no more?! Just when you thought the blockbuster story of Venom couldn’t get any more intense, Donny Cates turns the world of Eddie Brock on its head — again! But this time it won’t be dragons and god-hosts and breakneck action. No, no. This time Eddie’s going through an emotional meat grinder the likes of which has never been seen in the Marvel Universe! As Eddie finds himself truly alone for the first time in a long time, the silence is deafening. Plus: San Francisco offers anything but a happy homecoming thanks to Eddie’s estranged father — and the little brother he never knew he had. Will Eddie’s return to his old stomping grounds reveal secrets better kept buried?
After upending the symbiote mythos in volume 1, Cates aims to do the same to Eddie Brock. He reconfigures Brock's backstory, making it much darker. (I wasn't even sure that was possible given Brock was going to commit suicide in a church when he met the symbiote.) I liked the introduction of The Maker. Hopefully, Cates can do something interesting with him. He hasn't been utilized properly since he came over from the Ultimate universe.
The Abyss is one of the best Venom books of all time, and one of the most character-defining moments of Eddie Brock, it punched me in the gut, gave me chills, made me feel for the symbiote while creeping me out at the same time, and introduced Dylan, a very important new character, this is everything I really wanted from a new Venom series, thank you Donny Cates.
What’s it about? Umm... that’s too hard to explain, I’ll skip.
Pros: The story here is pretty good. In volume one while I considered it an entertaining read, I thought the story was maybe at least A LITTLE stupid so I like that the plot got better. The artwork is pretty good. We get some pretty great panels in this volume. So another big improvement, I actually care about the characters this time around. Cates added a lot of depth to the Venom character in this volume and it’s great. The action scenes are pretty awesome and very exciting! This comic is pretty unpredictable. This is more of a horror comic than I expected it to be and I think that’s awesome. As a fan of Marvel and Horror this comic mixed the 2 extremely well. The ending! Oh my gosh, I don’t wanna say much about it but the ending shocked me so much!
Cons: The dialogue is a bit iffy. It’s not terrible but could definitely use improvement. This comic gets confusing at times. I got most of it but a lot of things had me like “umm... what?” Main thing was the not Reed Richards in this... I was sitting there thinking who was he and what’s his deal (until the friend who recommended this mostly explained it, nothing explained in the comic). Most superhero stories have a comic relief element somewhere, that unfortunately seemed absent here.
Overall: This series greatly improved. Volume 1- I considered dumb but entertaining. Only reason I read this volume right now despite a lot of other titles having been higher on my priority list is because I’m gonna be reading Absolute Carnage and a friend (Hi, James!) recommended I read this before Absolute Carnage. So yeah, after a mindless but entertaining start to the series I was pleasantly surprised to find this volume is not-so-mindless but still entertaining. It has a great plot, interesting characters, suspense with a sweet mix of horror and action! So I may have had a couple issues with this volume but nothing too major. Onward to Absolute Carnage!
So the first part is a two parter of Brock being tested on by The Maker. Who's that? Read Hickman's Ultimates. It's so damn good even if it's super short. The Maker is basically Reed Richards gone insane. So yes, scary, and very smart. Anyway, Brock eventually escapes but the fashion on how he does it is f'ing awesome. The next arc, the Abyss, is a nice look into Eddie Brock and who he is. A new background, some fucked up moments, but overall a life lesson on being "good' and "bad".
Overall, this volume is pretty great. It's a more introspective volume than the last. Less fighting and more on building Eddie as a character and finding out some really fucked up shit. They also introduce a new character that can really be something special. The fights, while short, are pretty awesome still. The art remains some of the best as Stagman always does an amazing job. The only negative would probably be the plotting is slower and it might turn some venom fans off.
BUT saying that I loved it. A easy 4 out of 5. Hope it continues to be this good.
It was definitely worth reading this immediately after Venom, Vol. 1: Rex as it connects the story and sheds a little light on what's happening.
This slows the action down in favour of a more emotional story, but it still stays strong. There's a lot of character development in this volume, and the introduction of Dylan - who becomes such an important player in the Venom story further down the road.
I imagine my previous confusion was due to reading this so long after Vol 1, because it made perfect sense to me this time around haha. But the events of this volume are caused by events from the first, so well worth starting from the start.
Another great volume, essential for any Venom fan.
**Original Review**
This was very confusing but still pretty decent.
I really enjoyed how this explored Eddie-Without-Venom. It was interesting to see how they two have become friends inside one body, and how that enables one to 'protect' the other.
The story twists quite a lot so I was left a little confused at times but by the end it came together pretty clearly.
It was fun to meet Dylan! I've heard about him a fair bit so it was nice to be properly introduced.
Colours are great and the action is tricky to follow but a lot of fun. It was a little lacking in brutality for my tastes (for a Venom comic - I swear I'm not a psycho) but the psychological element was a new and interesting take.
This volume reminded me a little of several Hulk runs. Eddie is homeless, wandering around from place to place, being hunted by military-type people, and trying to come to grips with the monster that lives inside of him.
This volume also continues the really great horror trend of this run.
This continues the exploration of Eddie as a character and we learn what exactly happened with him after the arc, him going to his fathers house and then THE MAKER has him and its such a cool arc and we learn more of whats going on, Project Oversight, the past of Eddie and whats going on with DYLAN and we learn about him and good confrontation and exploration of Eddie's past, him talking with his dad and then learning of the fake memories and cancer that the symbiote had given him, their inevitable falling out and him realizing he has a son and it all builds to such a great confrontation between all of them and then that ending with his father and the goodbye just wow! Epic story, the art was insanely good and the story stuck such an emotional chord and shows Eddie at his very vulnerable self! Next up: ABSOLUTE CARNAGE!
The first volume of Venom was all about rewriting the symbiote's history, and boy was that a success. With volume 2, Donny Cates tackles Eddie Brock's history and gives that a good smashing as well, as we learn new and exciting things about his relationship with the symbiote and his family, including some very surprising details about his brother.
There's no need to reinvent the wheel when taking on a character, I know, but when it's done this well, I can't help but praise it. Cates' ease of sifting through continuity and taking the bits he wants and twisting the bits he doesn't is apparent in every page, and makes each new retcon make perfect sense along the way.
Plus there's a subplot surrounding The Maker who's a character I really like, so there's really a lot to love for me in this one.
Cates is joined once again by Ryan Stegman on art, who also gets an assist from Iban Coello (who is no stranger to the Venomverse after his work on that title) and Joshua Cassarra whose scratchy style complements the atmosphere that Cates has built up easily.
Big fan of this run so far, and the plans that Cates and Stegman seem to have brewing going forward are only getting me more and more excited.
چقدر خوشحالم که شروع کردم خوندن این سری جدید ونوم رو اگه آرک داستانی قبلی ونوم و رابطهاش رو با میزبانش دچار تحول کرد،اینبار این آرک داستانی شناخت ما از ادی براک میزبان ونوم رو تغییر میده، فضای تیره تر و واقع گرایانهی این آرک بخصوص توی طراحیای واقعی تر کمک بزرگی به داستان کرده بود، داستانی که این بار عمیقنا شخصیه و راجع به بزرگ ترین ترسش یعنی گذشتشه جایی که انگار همه چیز از همونجا سر رشته میگیره. ایدهی پیوند زدن درد و رنج و خشم به ونوم عالی بود، این که در نهایت هیچکس نمیخواد تنها باشه و همه به یکی نیاز دارن و ممکنه در این راه از خودخواهانه ترین روشهای ممکن کمک بگیرن...
Although the character development of Eddie Brock here was great, not having Venom in the majority of the story was a real bummer. Didn't really care all that much for the Brock family drama either, and despite a couple of cool twists, it felt like there were just one too many.
Pretty impressive, bringing The Maker and an echo of the now-dead Flash Thompson into the mix for Eddie Brock to riff on. He stands up pretty well in such company, but I’m pretty sure Bringing Kletus Casady Back From The Dead (Again) is just beating a dead horse to a pulp at this point. What more is there really to say about Carnage that hasn’t been said?
Eddie’s childhood backstory is a whallop, and seeing how it’s obviously been a cornerstone moment, I’m dying to see this get explored far further.
This book ends on an unfinished feeling, and then hands off to Cullen Bunn (shudder). Fun with depth but somehow a little unsatisfying, not knowing where the suit and Eddie are headed.
Catesův run pořád parádně šlape a tentokrát servíruje poctivou osamělou depku. Po minulém dílu se nám děj trochu posunul, Eddie musí posbírat zbytky svojí paměti (a vy s ním), musí utéct Makerovi (vyšinutý Reed Richards z Ultimate vesmíru) a hlavně musí vybojovat několik osobních soubojů. Eddie si tu sahá na jedno dno za druhým a já můžu říct, že po tomhle mám o hodně větší chuť si poctivě dočíst všechno, co tomuhle předcházelo, protože se nemůžu zbavit pocitu, že bych si všiml víc narážek a užil si to o poznání víc. Je pravda, že oproti minulému dílu je tenhle příběh hodně komornější, nekoná se tu žádné létání na dracích a je to spíš takové ticho před bouří, která nutně musí přijít. A v tom tichu se postupně začíná odhalovat, že spousta věcí není tak, jak si Eddie myslel. Škoda, že nemá domov, kam by se mohl vrátit a tohle v klidu vyřešil. Kresba je tu stejná jako v minulém díle a nemám, co bych jí vytkl, byť je to jedna z těch, které se od mainstreamu nijak moc neodlišují. Ale tak to u podobného kousku člověk moc neřeší. Cates na mě pořád funguje a líbí se mi, co s Eddiem/Venomem provádí, takže na další díl mám poctivý hype.
Mohlo by se vám líbit, pokud: - chcete víc backgroundů a láká vás představa pomalejšího příběhu, kde si Eddie musí vyřešit spoustu osobních problémů zatímco je na útěku před vyšinutým magorem
Spíš vás zklame, pokud: - jste si minulý díl užívali čistě kvůli konstantní noze na plynu, symbiont-drakovi a velkým soubojům
Phenomenal. I love what Donny is doing with this title. Emotionally heavy, with a twisty plot that keeps getting more intriguing. Can’t wait to see where it goes
Love him or hate him – and there are many people who do love him on the basis of his solo film last year that made a ton of money – you can’t deny that Venom can never really escape his 90s aesthetic, as well as trying to push him as an anti-hero that can be more than being Spider-Man's arch-nemesis. However, earlier this year, I was won over by the symbiotic Eddie Brock with his solo comic written by Donny Cates and drawn by Ryan Stegman. As being one of the best writers in recent Marvel history, Cates has become one of those names to be instantly excited about.
Following the relentless nature of the first volume where he fought dragons and god-hosts, the story takes a break and presents something more introspective. After getting recovered and is interrogated by the Maker (the Ultimate Mister Fantastic), Eddie discovers that the Venom symbiote is in a feral state, finding himself truly alone for the first time in a long time. Escaping the clutches of the Maker, Eddie heads back to San Francisco and tries to rekindle with his father, who has remarried and has a child named Dylan, Eddie’s half-brother.
Like I said, this volume is more of a character study than before, so don’t expect a sequence where Venom is packing many weapons he can carry as he prepares to battle a dragon. Because things slow down, Eddie goes retrospective by looking back on his own past, way before bonding with the symbiote, most notably his relationship with his abusive father. Although the symbiote is known for enhancing the negative emotions of its host, Eddie’s harsh upbringing is even more horrible, especially how a car accident changes their relationship for the worse.
Although Cates embraces the horror element that applies well to Venom, he is able to apply some humour along the way, darkly though it may be. From depicting the symbiote as a savage pet dog on a leash, to the young Dylan speaking to Eddie about arguing with a kid named Chip who thinks that Spider-Man is better than Venom (acknowledging a current Marvel writer), Cates has more fun and inventiveness than what we saw in the Venom movie.
When it establishes the wider Marvel universe, this is where Venom somewhat falters as given the use of the Maker who is not the most obvious choice of villain for the symbiotic hero, he doesn’t rock the demonic nature of Knull, as well as playing the typical long game of a comic book villainous plot. That said, all three artists – Ryan Stegman, Iban Coello and Joshua Cassara – get to shine with moments of action, horror and demonic dreaming, all of which give a much darker spin in the outlandish Marvel universe.
Going deep into The Abyss, which is appropriate as this is the title of the volume, Donny Cates presents the most fun I’ve seen from the former Spidey villain, who has one of the most compellingly tragic backstories that I’ve seen in Marvel. I'm interested to see where Cates take the character in the next volume that crossovers with the big Marvel event War of the Realms.
Coming off an incredible first Volume, the story of Venom and Eddie Brock takes a crazy turn here. I think the authors are trying to semi- retcon his origins, but it makes for great storytelling so.... Highlights: - Fire from the fight with Grendel has left Eddie's body badly burned. When Project Oversight comes to collect his body, Venom takes over and goes on the run, eventually ending up on the doorstep of Eddie's father's house. They fight, never having had a good relationship to begin with, and Eddie leaves Carl and his younger brother Dylan, before getting captured. - Enter the Maker (Reed Richards of the Ultimate Universe). Torturing Eddie, we discover that Venom has been erasing some of Eddie's memories without his knowledge. Using a left over aspect of Agent Venom (Flash Thompson), Eddie escapes and tries again with his family. - Eddie's father Carl doesn't seem to remember having a daughter and the fight begins to turn ugly, seeing Dylan as a replacement son for him - Eddie's cancer is getting worse, even having him cough up blood - Dylan finds Eddie on his own and shows him bruises, telling him that Carl beats him up, and he asks Eddie to use Venom to kill him. As they begin to talk about how he can help, Eddie has a vision of Dylan as Knull. Choking "Knull", Eddie comes to his senses before killing Dylan, and he throws up and passes out. - In the hospital, Venom is keeping Eddie in a comatose state to help with healing. THIS IS WHERE THINGS GET CRAZY... Venom admits to altering Eddie's brain. First off, Eddie never had a sister Mary (who died from cancer) and never had an Uncle Dan (who died from cancer). IN FACT, Eddie has never had cancer! Venom has been keeping Eddie sick and showing him invalid medical results so that Eddie would need Venom around. Furious, Eddie rejects Venom, and immediately remembers that Dylan is not his brother, but his son. - Eddie tells the Maker to separate him from the symbiote, but was knocked unconscious and awakened to find it had rescued Dylan, yet has completely separated and is living without a host body. (How long can that last?)
Not sure where this story is going next, but I'm definitely onboard. Eddie is going through some very dark and emotional changes. Keep up the great work, Donny Cates!
This series continues to be an absolute blast to read and look at. Poor Eddie Brock is so well fleshed out and so, so thoroughly tortured... you can't help but feel bad for him. Still despite it all, this dude is a freaking hero.
این جلد به جز اینکه شروعش یه خورده عجیب و غریب بود، به خوبی جلد قبلی بود و ارتش هم از این جلد به بعد عوض شد که اولش یه خورده رو مخ بود ولی در کل ارتش خوب بود.
This was the kind of internal story I needed tonight, I think. And as an added bonus, the art does a great job of setting the tone perfectly.
This is a journey of self-discovery for Eddie Brock; a character I don't even really like that much. But with this arc, I feel like I understand him a lot more and that makes reading him easier for me.
I'm glad I opted to give this run a second chance.