Conversations with Jim Harrison has been reissued by the University Press of Mississippi in a revised and updated edition, including an interview completed shortly before Harrison’s death.The book is a must for Harrison’s admirers and should be a damned good experience for any reader.
At a point when Harrison was seriously contemplating suicide, he wrote this never-to-be-forgotten sentence: “My three-year-old daughter’s red robe hangs from the doorknob shouting stop.”
From the 1986 Paris Review interview: “I was in a snit the other day over the infantile mechanics of minimalism, the extreme posture of fatigue. Minimalism is that old cow, naturalism, rendered into the smallest of print.” (As a teenager, Harrison read Joyce’s Finnegans Wake four times and regarded it as his Bible.)
From a 1990 interview in Publishers Weekly: “The novelist who refuses sentiment refuses the full spectrum of human behavior and then he just dries up. Irony is always scratching your tired ass, whatever way you look at it. I would rather give full vent to all human love and disappointments, and take a chance on being corny, than die a smartass.”
From a 1997 interview in Wild Duck Review: “What fascinates me about the Nature Conservancy and what I admire about them as opposed to some groups is that they do understand that the cogs and wheels turn so slowly in Washington we had rather buy habitat now and take it out of harm’s way. Things with enormous moral force are often completely ignored in Washington. You can’t be like a big muffin going to Washington, you have to unify and go in like a big axe. It’s the only way things are perceived there and I don’t care if the head of our groups have to spend a lot of money. It’s a Machiavellian world and there’s no excuse going in there like Gandhi.” (Harrison’s syntax can be screwy, but keep in mind that he’s talking, not writing, and it would appear that most of the interviews received minimal or no editing. Truth be told, I’ve often had considerable difficulty with syntax in his novels and novellas, even while admiring them.)
From a 1999 interview In Red Cedar Review: “I bypassed deconstruction because I thought it was an elaborate plot to make the instructors more important than what they were reading. (laughs) But those things seem to fade. I mean they have their efflorescence for a while and then they dissipate.”
From the same interview: “When you’re reading the Bible, which I did a lot as a young man, so and so rich man had nine cows and three horses and a granary full of wheat. That was a rich man then. Now what is it? I had three Land Cruisers in a row, because I’m out in the boonies. When I went to get another one, suddenly they’re fifty-eight thousand dollars. I got in it and I said that the inside of this car looks like Liberace’s toilet. (laughs). It’s no longer a functional vehicle; it’s being built now for soccer moms. It’s amazing. You can get the one I want, but you can only get it in Africa. They’re about thirty grand there and they’re functional, but they don’t have our emission standards. I looked at a farm, I certainly don’t need another farm, but I was looking at a farm and this is what drove me crazy —in the UP (Upper Peninsula in Michigan) there’s eight acres and this house for fifty-eight thousand. ... So you could buy a whole fucking farm for the same price as you can buy a car, you know.” (It’s quintessentially Harrison that he uses “toilet” where most editors would probably prefer “bathroom.” ”Restroom” would surely have made Harrison guffaw.)
A little later: “I got hundreds and hundreds of books on the brain under the hubris that after a couple of months of reading I could understand the human brain. Well, forget it.”
In an interview for The Morning News, Robert Birnbaum asks Harrison about an article he wrote for Men’s Journal about living on the U.S.-Mexico border. Bless Birnbaum for including in the published interview this deeply moving passage from Harrison’s article:
“So Anna Claudia crossed with her brother and child into Indian country, walking up a dry wash for 40 miles, but when she reached the highway she simply dropped dead near the place where recently a 19-year-old girl also died from thirst with a baby at her breast. The baby was covered with sun blisters, but lived. So did Ana Claudia’s. The particular cruelty of a dry wash is that everywhere there is evidence of water that once passed this way, with the banks verdant with flora. We don’t know how long it took Ana Claudia to walk her 40 miles in America, but we know what her last hours were like. Her body progressed from losing one quart of water to seven quarts: lethargy, increasing pulse, nausea, dizziness, blue shading of vision, delirium, swelling of the tongue, deafness, dimness of vision, shriveling of the skin, and then death, the fallen body wrenched into a question mark. How could we not wish that politicians on both sides of the border who let her die this way would die in the same manner? But then such people have never missed a single lunch. Ana Claudia Villa Herrera. What a lovely name.”
Later in the Birnbaum interview: “I used to get criticized for putting food in novels. These are people ignorant of the novel tradition. It was always in French and English fiction. But a lot of us are still; puritanical, still sort of ashamed they have to fill up every day. It’s like food isn’t serious. And a faculty meeting is? (both laugh) What gays used to say, “Puhlease!’”
Harrison’s lifetime output includes more than 50 books of fiction, poetry, and non-fiction. It never stopped: he became even more prolific in his late years. Asked by interviewer Angela Elam about the source of his extraordinary productivity, he cited naps as essential and quoted Henry Miller: “Everyone should have a full dress nap every day.”
Warning: Harrison is repetitive, sometimes annoyingly, from interview to interview, and there is one interview, conducted for the Canadian Broadcasting Company, that is almost completely a bummer. Interviewer Eleanor Wachtel asks lame questions, and Harrison unfortunately provides for the most part lame responses. He should have just asked her to leave. But even in that one, the no-nonsense Harrison we’ve grown to expect occasionally comes through: “I can’t give anybody advice except to say more red wine and garlic.”
The late photo of Harrison on the book’s cover is haunting. I kept turning back to it. When he appeared here in Chicago for a large public reading some years ago, the shock in the audience when he appeared on the stage was palpable. W. H. Auden famously and pretty accurately said of himself late in life that he had a face “like a wedding cake left out in the rain.” Harrison’s mature face, weatherbeaten and clearly affected by lifelong gross overeating and boozing, has been described by Terry McDonell as “still handsome, in the manner of a mahogany stump.” Add to that the glass eye. Harrison lost an eye when at the age of seven he tried to play “doctor” with a little girl and she gave him a poke in the eye with a glass shard.