Charlotte Perkins Gilman (1860-1935), also known as Charlotte Perkins Stetson, was a prominent American sociologist, novelist, writer of short stories, poetry, and nonfiction, and a lecturer for social reform. She was a utopian feminist during a time when her accomplishments were exceptional for women, and she served as a role model for future generations of feminists because of her unorthodox concepts and lifestyle. Her best remembered work today is her semi-autobiographical short story, "The Yellow Wallpaper", which she wrote after a severe bout of post-partum depression.
The ending wasn't something I expected. It sorta has a dark humour about it. I'll admit I found it a bit funny. Though I don't think that was the reaction the author would expect. I like the story.
I feel like I went into this essay expecting more. Something about Charlotte's writing doesn't do much for me. I've came to the conclusion that, although the topics she writes about are obviously of big importance and shocking to the society they were introduced to, it isn't substantially ~good~.
Seemed selfish of the mum to project her wants and desires of a man like the poet onto what she thought her daughter should have.
Liked the parts where he started going a bit crazy with lust. I like how he projected this idea that "love" or rather just infatuation and desire is very strange and contradictory. Feeling altogether wild with desire for the daughter while also exclaiming to himself of how selfish and cold she is towards him. People are nuts.
The ending is something I actually didn't expect. These short stories written by Gilman under The Yellow Wallpaper collection always have a dark twist so when I read that the daughter dreamt of being submerged in oil black water and that is the cause of her dislike of water, you assume that will be her fate. I actually chuckled when I read the last paragraph of the daughter simply swimming out and going back home while he dies. (Although how high up is that cliff that she could survive that fall, possibly regain consciousness and swim?) It was a solid twist.
I don't like it as much as the other two I think but I'll come back soon. It had some good passages.
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The way Perkins-Gilman writes about the frustration of man, courting a woman (a girl?) who is so obviously not interested, committing what is probably sexual harassment, and ending up dead is a revelation.
I think what takes the cake here for me is the point-of-view of a mother who has had a disappointing life and pushes the life she would have wanted for herself towards her daughter who is barely in college and is so visibly a different character from her. Christ alive, what a way to sprinkle motherhood and daughterhood into a story.
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nice metaphor- cant let illusion drown you if you don’t believe in it in the first place
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“Ellen is so practical!’ she murmured. ‘She will not even admit her own beauty.’ ‘She is unawakened,’ breathed the poet – ‘Unawakened!”
“The poetry is there,’ he said, his eyes on the smooth brown arms, now more near. ‘That poise! That motion! It is the very soul of poetry – and the body! Her body is a poem!”
“Ah, madam! What it must be to you to have such a daughter! To see your own youth – but a moment passed – repeated before your eyes!”
“Here we are honored with a visit from one of our very greatest poets – perhaps the greatest; and my own child hasn’t sense enough to appreciate his beautiful work. You are so like your father!’ ‘Well, I can’t help it,’ said Ellen. ‘I don’t like those foolish old stories about people who never did anything useful, and hadn’t an idea in their heads except being in love and killing somebody! They had no sense, and no courage, and no decency!”
“She laughed frankly at him, and he laughed with her; but his heart was hot and dark within him. The longer he pursued and failed the fiercer was his desire for her. Already he had loved longer than was usual to him. Never before had his overwhelming advances been so lightly parried and set aside.”
“Ah! You young Diana! You do not know how I suffer! You are so young, so cold! So heavenly beautiful! Do not be cruel! Listen to me! Say you will be my wife! Give me one kiss! Just one!’ She was young, and cold, and ignorantly cruel. She laughed at him, laughed mercilessly, and turned away.”
“Ah!’ he cried. ‘It is your fate! Our fate! We have lived through this before! We will die together if we cannot live together!’ He caught her to him, kissed her madly, passionately, and together they went down into the black water. ‘It’s pretty lucky I could swim,’ said Ellen, as she hurried home. ‘And he couldn’t. The poor man! O, the poor man! He must have been crazy!”
At first I wasn't exactly sure what the story wanted to say but after letting it sit for a bit I believe I've come up with a plausible conclusion. Given Gilman's staunch feminism it is no wonder that Old Water deals with feminist themes. Despite Ellen repeatedly showing her disinterest in the poet's advances he chooses to believe her love for poetry and, by extension, him has yet to reveal itself. As a result of this delusion, he ends up forcing himself on her claiming it is their destiny to be together in, if not life then death, allowing them to continue what he believes to be a cycle of love they've been through before in a previous life. I believe this cycle could serve as a metaphor for the cycle of misery and helplessness many women found themselves in when being wood by unwanted men. However, by allowing Ellen to survive due to her knoeing how to swim Ellen breaks the supposed cycle and reinforces a new narrative free from the supposed inevitability of relationships some women never wanted a part of. Either way, good read.
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Ah, a mother's expectations and desires for her daughter without stopping to think whether the daughter even wants the same things, and any hint or blatant proclamation that she doesn't are turned down as a stupid girl not knowing what's good for her. A level of projection only a mother dissatisfied with her life can manage. To the point that she can't even realize the poison she's introducing into her daughter's life.
And then there's the mad lover. At first, he wants the pretty girl because she's a pretty girl. Then the more she rejects him, the stronger and more poisonous his obsession becomes until he can't wait to possess her. All while calling himself a poet who can't be bothered to even wake up to appreciate the dawn, but has metaphors to show his outwardly sensibility. And in that zeal and false poetics, he tries to bring upon himself and the girl of his obsessions the same fate of his stories.
Good thing though that the girl is a logical and practical one and is able to escape the fate of many fictional heroines by not being a blind romantic.
A story that unfolds gently and then detonates with a PLOTWISSSST. I loved the emotional tension, and especially how Gilman builds the heroine’s quiet strength. The dramatic romantic obsession comes through so vividly — men in Gilman’s fiction fall in love like it’s a fever.
Remarkably full for such a short piece.
Favourite lines: • “ It is so beautiful, this budding soul, not opened yet, so close, so almost hard but when its rosey petals do unfold …” • “He told her nothing of the storm of passion growing within him…” • “ … his feelings were too much for his judgement and he seized her hand and kissed it … then he poured out his heart to her. He to told her how he loved her; madly, passionately, irresistibly ” • “He caught her to kiss her, kissed her madly, passionately”
Would’ve loved to know how he actually came from 😁
I liked this a lot. Another reinforcement for my new love of Charlotte Perkins Gilman and her steady and beautiful prose style. The pacing of her shorts are a little similar, but exactly my speed and never outstay their welcome. Old Water has some messages and tones in it, much like her other stuff. I like these messages and tones. I like what she's up to here. And I especially like how she managed to take this somewhat dreary, ugly tale of a woman being forced to spend time with a lecherous old man and end it with a bit of comedy and the strength and hopeful spirit of young women.
I love this authors short stories and found this one quite amusing/funny. I’ve read the yellow wall paper/the rocking chair which have themes of obsession/horror, it was nice to see a more “light hearted” story from CPG The wording can seem a bit out dated/hard to understand so I found myself having to re read certain parts to take in what’s being said however I throughly enjoyed this short story. The ending is brilliant
“That poise! That motion! It is the very soul of poetry – and the body! Her body is a poem!’”
“Ellen. ‘I don’t like those foolish old stories about people who never did anything useful, and hadn’t an idea in their heads except being in love and killing somebody! They had no sense, and no courage, and no decency!’”
this was oddly really funny to me 😭 it was terrifying in a sense that it is a story of a young girl forced to marry an old man who, in time, became obsessed with her and forced her to do things. i thought the ending was brilliant and funny and i love the connotations the story has on young and strong women.
If you are someone new to classics and would love to read weird short stories then this is the book for you. Basically whatever gilman has written is very simply written so it’s easy to understand and comprehend the inner meaning.
Given the circumstances, if I was her I wouldn’t change a thing. Everyone got what they deserved, him with the imposed expectations got his punishment and in the end the innocent was left to live their life. Love love love a good for her piece of literature🩷
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so on one hand its best to not be obsessive, romanticising everything and viewing the world through an unrealistic lens on the other hand practicality can be boring, seeing the beauty in the world is just as important its all about BALANCE people