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Los sentimientos del Príncipe Carlos
"What is love?" frågade sig den tyske eurodanceartisten Haddaway redan år 1993. I Prins Charles känsla söker Liv Strömquist nya svar på denna fråga, i en odyssé kantad av folkliga sexköpare, sociologisk teori, crackpundare, asagudinnor, antiromantik, hjärtesorg, dvärgar, psykoanalys och personangrepp. Hon hinner också ställa en del andra frågor, till exempel: Varför städade Renata Chlumska på Mount Everest? Varför behöver Tom Cruise jordens undergång? Hur kan evolutionen förklara Killinggängets uppkomst? Och vilka är våra allra mest älskade torskar?
Liv Strömquist följer äntligen upp sina tidigare succéalbum. Hennes fjärde bok, Prins Charles känsla, är en komisk och historisk granskning av parrelationen som form en regelrätt spark rätt upp i tvåsamheten.
Liv Strömquist följer äntligen upp sina tidigare succéalbum. Hennes fjärde bok, Prins Charles känsla, är en komisk och historisk granskning av parrelationen som form en regelrätt spark rätt upp i tvåsamheten.
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First published August 19, 2010
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Liv Strömquist
19 books1,507 followersStrömquist was born in Lund and grew up in Ravlunda in the Österlen region of south Sweden. Today she lives in Malmö. Already as a five-year old she made her own comics, but stopped, until she took up drawing comics at the age of 23. Her flatmate made her interested in comic fanzines then. With Rikedomen, she published her first own fanzine.
Her breakthrough as a comic artist followed with her first album Hundra procent fett ("One hundred percent fat"), which was published in 2005.[4] She regularly publishes in the comic magazine Galago in various magazines and newspapers such as Dagens Nyheter, Dagens Arbete, Bang, Aftonbladet and Ordfront Magasin.[5][6] She designed the cover for the 2013 album Shaking the Habitual by the band The Knife. She also made a comic strip for the band's website, which depicted income inequality in a satirical manner.
Several of her books have been translated into French. Kunskapens frukt about the taboo of menstruation and the vulva in society has also been translated into Dutch, Danish, German, Finnish, English, Russian, Spanish, Italian, Bulgarian, Slovene and Ukrainian.
She studied political science. Her comics are mostly about sociopolitical issues from a feminist and left-wing perspective. They are satirical essay about power and injustices.
Since 2005, she has been working for the youth radio station Sveriges Radio P3. She was involved in the satirical programs Tankesmedjan and Pang Prego. Together with the author Caroline Ringskog Ferrada-Noli, she runs the podcast En varg söker sin pod for the newspaper Expressen. In the SVT program Liv och Horace i Europa, which was broadcast in spring 2016, she travelled through Europe together with Horace Engdahl and discussed the lives of various authors.
Her breakthrough as a comic artist followed with her first album Hundra procent fett ("One hundred percent fat"), which was published in 2005.[4] She regularly publishes in the comic magazine Galago in various magazines and newspapers such as Dagens Nyheter, Dagens Arbete, Bang, Aftonbladet and Ordfront Magasin.[5][6] She designed the cover for the 2013 album Shaking the Habitual by the band The Knife. She also made a comic strip for the band's website, which depicted income inequality in a satirical manner.
Several of her books have been translated into French. Kunskapens frukt about the taboo of menstruation and the vulva in society has also been translated into Dutch, Danish, German, Finnish, English, Russian, Spanish, Italian, Bulgarian, Slovene and Ukrainian.
She studied political science. Her comics are mostly about sociopolitical issues from a feminist and left-wing perspective. They are satirical essay about power and injustices.
Since 2005, she has been working for the youth radio station Sveriges Radio P3. She was involved in the satirical programs Tankesmedjan and Pang Prego. Together with the author Caroline Ringskog Ferrada-Noli, she runs the podcast En varg söker sin pod for the newspaper Expressen. In the SVT program Liv och Horace i Europa, which was broadcast in spring 2016, she travelled through Europe together with Horace Engdahl and discussed the lives of various authors.
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October 17, 2010
If I had the money, I'd buy this for every Swedish person I know. Hell, I'd have it translated and give it to every person I've ever met. It's like a mix between Hark! A Vagrant (only funnier! I didn't know that was possible!) and a gender studies primer. Comedy gold, enlightenment gold. Wins at everything.
April 13, 2019
Manchmal überrollen einen Bücher so aus dem Nichts heraus mit ihrer Großartigkeit. Liv Strömquist erklärt in „Der Ursprung der Liebe“ anschaulich (ja, es ist ne Graphic Novel & besser hätte man Prinz Charles Antlitz nicht auf Seite 1 inszenieren können) was Liebe überhaupt ist und wo dieses crazy little thing called love herkommt und macht deutlich, dass Liebe nicht immer die romantische L-I-E-B-E verkörpert, wie wir sie heute aus schlechten, aber immer gern geschauten Romantic-Comedies kennen, sondern ein Konstrukt ist, das wir uns gebaut haben, um das Leben zu verstehen. Vielleicht auch uns selbst. Vielleicht aber auch einfach gar nichts mehr, weil alles immer komplizierter zu werden scheint. Liebe passt sich den gesellschaftlichen Umständen an, macht aber dann doch ihr eigenes Ding. Mit Hilfe soziologischer Theorien, einem historischen Ausflug in längst vergangene Zeiten und einer ordentlich kuriosen Mischung aus Humor und geballtem Wissen in all seiner künstlerischen Form gibt es hier keine Antwort auf die Frage: what is love?, aber dafür jede Menge nachzudenken. Ein bisschen schade, dass manche Themen nur angerissen, aber nicht auserzählt werden - vor allem das Ende wirkt ein bisschen wie eine urplötzlich einstürzende Brücke - und dass das heteronormative Bild doch sehr im Vordergrund steht. Mir haben hier noch, ein, zwei, drei ... Kapitel gefehlt. Trotzdem: große unromantische Liebe für dieses Buch! Lest es! :)
April 25, 2016
Something about Liv Strömquist’s books really affects me, but I don't know what it is. Perhaps it's the analyses, the history or the facts. For evert theory, Strömquist uses sources, such as researchers, psycho analysts and real events to back her arguments up.
This is about love as a social structure. Why do women often need to be acknowledged by men? Why do men often distance themselves from intimacy and feelings? In a culture that encourages gender differences and small children learn early on to behave in a certain way, it's not difficult to understand. Girls identify with their mothers, and develop caring and affirmative characteristics. Boys often don’t identify with their fathers, because they are absent. They have no role model and therefore assimilate the sexistic culture. Hence, the culture is maintained. Of course, everything improves through the years. Nowadays, men have parental leave in Sweden and are expected to spend more time with their children, not to mention the fight for gender equality with means such as the concept "hen", an indefinite pronoun that serves to take focus away from expectations concerning gender, but old traditions still form people.
This book analyses the twosome, heterosexual couple, how the society is built upon this structure, and the consequences for gender equality. Strömquist also mentions famous couples that have lived their lives according to this norm, and how it affected them, from historical people like Gustaf Fröding and his self-pity and prostitutes, and Victoria Benedictsson and George Brandes, to people of today, such as Charlie Sheen and Hugh Grant, and recent couples like Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown.
Strömquist is also describing how men opress women to be able to win them over, also a strategy in the book The Game, and whether love and relationships are gender equal. Women sacrifice everything, care about and blow up men's ego, while men do nothing of the sort. Women's identity is constituted by their bodies and what they can offer men. Their destiny is to take care of and comfort other people, and not themselves. The consequence is that men are able to seek their happiness in work or hobbies, encouraged by their wives, and women don't get the encouragement and support from their husbands to do the same. Unbelievably, despite all this, many men still seem to fear marriage, and some of them even have a condescending attitude to women. At the same time, they maintain relationstips with these women. When looking at it more carefully, it’s not very inexplicable. There are researchers that claim that men need women to maintain their independence. Without them, they have no one to be independent of. A study shows that after a divorce, women are feeling happy and feel their self-confidence growing, while men are feeling unhappy and depressed. Even though twosome marriages often mean a kind of ownership which might be unhealthy, it seems that men benefit from it, while women are restricted and not enough supported. So, perhaps, men should learn to appraciate relationships and marriage more. Women often stay in these relationships because they have learned that the only way of self-worth is to be acknowledged and approved by men. When getting hurt, women need comfort, and they also need for their men to comprehend them and therefore they try even harder to explain how they feel to be able to fix the relationship. The psychological mechanisms are very complicated, and of course can't be applied to every one. Most people probably don't think about it, and don't think it's necessary, because people have a choice, right? Of course, most men are nice and most women don't accept a dysfunctional relationship. But what if we are so used to this phenomena that we don't see it? When you start to analyze, you discover this structure that explains a lot about patterns of behavior. There are always many studies and many professional people having opinions, about any subject, and they are not always right about everything, but this book offers interesting analyses that explain some structures of society.
This is about love as a social structure. Why do women often need to be acknowledged by men? Why do men often distance themselves from intimacy and feelings? In a culture that encourages gender differences and small children learn early on to behave in a certain way, it's not difficult to understand. Girls identify with their mothers, and develop caring and affirmative characteristics. Boys often don’t identify with their fathers, because they are absent. They have no role model and therefore assimilate the sexistic culture. Hence, the culture is maintained. Of course, everything improves through the years. Nowadays, men have parental leave in Sweden and are expected to spend more time with their children, not to mention the fight for gender equality with means such as the concept "hen", an indefinite pronoun that serves to take focus away from expectations concerning gender, but old traditions still form people.
This book analyses the twosome, heterosexual couple, how the society is built upon this structure, and the consequences for gender equality. Strömquist also mentions famous couples that have lived their lives according to this norm, and how it affected them, from historical people like Gustaf Fröding and his self-pity and prostitutes, and Victoria Benedictsson and George Brandes, to people of today, such as Charlie Sheen and Hugh Grant, and recent couples like Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown.
Strömquist is also describing how men opress women to be able to win them over, also a strategy in the book The Game, and whether love and relationships are gender equal. Women sacrifice everything, care about and blow up men's ego, while men do nothing of the sort. Women's identity is constituted by their bodies and what they can offer men. Their destiny is to take care of and comfort other people, and not themselves. The consequence is that men are able to seek their happiness in work or hobbies, encouraged by their wives, and women don't get the encouragement and support from their husbands to do the same. Unbelievably, despite all this, many men still seem to fear marriage, and some of them even have a condescending attitude to women. At the same time, they maintain relationstips with these women. When looking at it more carefully, it’s not very inexplicable. There are researchers that claim that men need women to maintain their independence. Without them, they have no one to be independent of. A study shows that after a divorce, women are feeling happy and feel their self-confidence growing, while men are feeling unhappy and depressed. Even though twosome marriages often mean a kind of ownership which might be unhealthy, it seems that men benefit from it, while women are restricted and not enough supported. So, perhaps, men should learn to appraciate relationships and marriage more. Women often stay in these relationships because they have learned that the only way of self-worth is to be acknowledged and approved by men. When getting hurt, women need comfort, and they also need for their men to comprehend them and therefore they try even harder to explain how they feel to be able to fix the relationship. The psychological mechanisms are very complicated, and of course can't be applied to every one. Most people probably don't think about it, and don't think it's necessary, because people have a choice, right? Of course, most men are nice and most women don't accept a dysfunctional relationship. But what if we are so used to this phenomena that we don't see it? When you start to analyze, you discover this structure that explains a lot about patterns of behavior. There are always many studies and many professional people having opinions, about any subject, and they are not always right about everything, but this book offers interesting analyses that explain some structures of society.
March 17, 2020
OMG! Did I just read the best book of the decade in March 2020?
Love it. Mainly for the humor, which is about love, relationships, men and women - all based on very scientific research. The way Strömqvist thinks, writes and draws, is pure genius: very funny and very witty at the same time.
Thank god Liv Strömqvist has written a bunch of cartoon books. If they are half as funny as this one, then the remaining decade will not be boring.
Love it. Mainly for the humor, which is about love, relationships, men and women - all based on very scientific research. The way Strömqvist thinks, writes and draws, is pure genius: very funny and very witty at the same time.
Thank god Liv Strömqvist has written a bunch of cartoon books. If they are half as funny as this one, then the remaining decade will not be boring.
July 23, 2020
Viiltävän hauskasti kuvitettua tutkimustietoa patriarkaalisesta järjestelmästä nimeltä rakkaussuhde miehen ja naisen välillä. Nauratti, kauhistutti ja herätti ajattelemaan.
October 10, 2021
Несколько кринжевых моментов с лихвой компенсировала отличная концовка. В целом интересный и захватывающий анализ того, что принято называть любовью
November 24, 2021
1e publication : 2012
Peut-être pas les 5* parce que je trouve les dessins bien moches quand même. La mise en page est inventive mais les dessins sont laids (et elle peut faire joli quand elle veut, cf la reproduction du Baiser de Klimt : c'est peut-être pas très sympa de sa part de devenir décorative quand elle imite un vieux maître d'ailleurs).
J'ai reconnu plein de trucs un peu partout. C'est inquiétant (et réconfortant de voir que TOUTES mes relations n'ont pas suivi ce script mais quand même). Je suppose que Mona Chollet se réfère aux mêmes sociologues/psy dans Réinventer l'amour parce que ça se ressemble beaucoup.
Donc l'éducation sexiste reçue par les garçons encourage ces derniers à estimer la liberté et l'indépendance par-dessus tout (le chiffre super éloquent sur "à qui parles-tu si tu es triste" où le père arrive en toute dernière place - Suède 2008). Et parallèlement à cela, les petites filles sont éduquées de telle sorte qu'elles cherchent en autrui et dans les relations qu'elles nouent avec autrui une confirmation de leur valeur : elles sont douées pour nouer et entretenir des relations, beaucoup moins pour être indépendantes.
On comprend qu'un couple hétéro est mal barré. Et on comprend aussi pourquoi les femmes consacrent autant de temps à cet idéal, qui sert surtout les hommes (qui reçoivent beaucoup d'attention et en prodiguent peu, car ils ont appris à se méfier de l'intimité).
Il y a donc moyen que les relations les plus satisfaisantes se fassent avec d'autres femmes, pourvu que celles-ci aient assez d'énergie à consacrer à des personnes qui ne sont pas leur conjoint.
Les relations maltraitantes : elles tirent leur efficacité (les victimes y restent, etc.) des points suivants : désir d'équité (il m'a mal parlée : j'exige qu'il retire ce qu'il a dit et me dise qu'il m'aime vs il m'a mal parlée, je lui dis que je n'aime pas ça et je me casse / haine / compassion / culpabilité.
Des références auxquelles je ne m'attendais pas (Eckhart Tolle : l'amour n'est pas de l'amour s'il peut se muer en haine, c'est plutôt la recherche d'une satisfaction de l'ego, Habermas : se traiter & traiter autrui comme une marchandise. Et en effet : j'attends un certain retour sur investissement dans mes relations, cela me semble irrationnel de tout parier sur le même cheval, etc.).
Peut-être pas les 5* parce que je trouve les dessins bien moches quand même. La mise en page est inventive mais les dessins sont laids (et elle peut faire joli quand elle veut, cf la reproduction du Baiser de Klimt : c'est peut-être pas très sympa de sa part de devenir décorative quand elle imite un vieux maître d'ailleurs).
J'ai reconnu plein de trucs un peu partout. C'est inquiétant (et réconfortant de voir que TOUTES mes relations n'ont pas suivi ce script mais quand même). Je suppose que Mona Chollet se réfère aux mêmes sociologues/psy dans Réinventer l'amour parce que ça se ressemble beaucoup.
Donc l'éducation sexiste reçue par les garçons encourage ces derniers à estimer la liberté et l'indépendance par-dessus tout (le chiffre super éloquent sur "à qui parles-tu si tu es triste" où le père arrive en toute dernière place - Suède 2008). Et parallèlement à cela, les petites filles sont éduquées de telle sorte qu'elles cherchent en autrui et dans les relations qu'elles nouent avec autrui une confirmation de leur valeur : elles sont douées pour nouer et entretenir des relations, beaucoup moins pour être indépendantes.
On comprend qu'un couple hétéro est mal barré. Et on comprend aussi pourquoi les femmes consacrent autant de temps à cet idéal, qui sert surtout les hommes (qui reçoivent beaucoup d'attention et en prodiguent peu, car ils ont appris à se méfier de l'intimité).
Il y a donc moyen que les relations les plus satisfaisantes se fassent avec d'autres femmes, pourvu que celles-ci aient assez d'énergie à consacrer à des personnes qui ne sont pas leur conjoint.
Les relations maltraitantes : elles tirent leur efficacité (les victimes y restent, etc.) des points suivants : désir d'équité (il m'a mal parlée : j'exige qu'il retire ce qu'il a dit et me dise qu'il m'aime vs il m'a mal parlée, je lui dis que je n'aime pas ça et je me casse / haine / compassion / culpabilité.
Des références auxquelles je ne m'attendais pas (Eckhart Tolle : l'amour n'est pas de l'amour s'il peut se muer en haine, c'est plutôt la recherche d'une satisfaction de l'ego, Habermas : se traiter & traiter autrui comme une marchandise. Et en effet : j'attends un certain retour sur investissement dans mes relations, cela me semble irrationnel de tout parier sur le même cheval, etc.).
December 18, 2021
It's more like 3.5 stars for me. I actually loved it, it's very readable and brings up incredibly valuable and important points about heterosexual relationships. I just would have liked it a lot more if it had been more relevant to my life — as a lesbian, I didn't necessarily feel connected to the analysis of interpersonal, specific romantic, relationships, even if I found the cultural references and examples enlightening and interesting.
January 6, 2022
опять информативно и остроумно!! вот бы комиксы Стрёмквист подарить всем школьницам и школьникам, хотя людям постарше они бы тоже не помешали.
October 19, 2021
Обожаю Стрёмквист за чувство юмора и оригинальность. Её комиксы как хороший стендап в мире серьёзных передач и скучных книг, которые уже давно не побуждают людей "задумываться" о социальном и гендерном неравенстве.
У Стрёмквист, конечно, не всё гладко с выводами - где-то она перегибает палку, где-то однобоко освещает проблему. Но всё это отступает на второй план перед талантливой формой подачи материала и неподражаемым сарказмом художницы.
У Стрёмквист, конечно, не всё гладко с выводами - где-то она перегибает палку, где-то однобоко освещает проблему. Но всё это отступает на второй план перед талантливой формой подачи материала и неподражаемым сарказмом художницы.
April 11, 2019
Olipa ajatuksia herättävä!
February 8, 2018
Liv Strömquistin feministisessä sarjakuva-albumissa "Prinssi Charlesin tunne" (Sammakko, 2017) käsitellään varsin oivaltavasti ja hauskasti muun muassa parisuhdetta, rakkautta ja niihin liittyviä kulttuurisia käyttäytymismalleja. Sarjakuva tarjoaa runsaasti ajattelemisen aihetta ja pohdiskeltavaa, vaikka ihan jokaista ajatusta ei allekirjoittaisikaan. Lähdeviitteitä on myös tarjolla aihetta käsittelevään kirjallisuuteen, mikäli mieli tekee lukea aiheesta vielä enemmän tai ei satu ymmärtämään ihan jokaista ruotsalaiseen kulttuuriin viittaavaa juttua (kuten kävi minulle).
Strömqvistin piirrosjälki saattaa vieroksuttaa, mutta asiasisällön takiahan albumi luetaan. Kaiken kaikkiaan suosittelemisen arvoinen sarjakuva!
Strömqvistin piirrosjälki saattaa vieroksuttaa, mutta asiasisällön takiahan albumi luetaan. Kaiken kaikkiaan suosittelemisen arvoinen sarjakuva!
February 20, 2019
Didactique et scolaire. Les propos sont intéressants, mais Strömquist donne surtout envie d’aller lire toutes ses sources, que ce soit en sociologie ou en anthropologie ou en culture populaire. La case me rappelle énormément celle du Pharmachien, ou l’humour de Marc Brunet: une sorte de démonstration continuelle pour illustrer un argument, au premier degré. Genre on parle de patriarcat blanc et de privilèges alors on dessine un petit bonhomme qui salue de la main en disant: « Bonjour je suis un jeune homme blanc inconscient de ses biais cognitifs et de ses privilèges. »
March 1, 2018
Hurjan mainio, hauska ja voimaannuttavan hulvaton, vaikkei ihan yltänytkään Nousun & tuhon tai Kielletyn hedelmän tasolle. Tykkäsin toki tästäkin, mutta ehkä luin sen liian pian muiden Strömquistin sarjisalbumien kanssa, sillä tämän voima ei ollut yhtä vahvaa kuin aiemmissa, ja se jäikin hieman niiden varjoon. Oivaltava ja terävä joka tapauksessa, Strömquistiin kannattaa aivan ehdottomasti tutustua.
March 28, 2019
Une très grande lecture féministe sur les rapports amoureux et la complexité des relations interelationnelles amoureuses à travers les âges. Je ne m'attendais pas à une lecture aussi intense, mais elle reste très intéressante pour toutes les personnes qui aiment la littérature féministe et les différents combats de la femme traversés dans la société.
November 2, 2017
L’analyse féministe de l’éducation sentimentale masculine la plus tordante que t’aies jamais lu. Une petite bédé qui frappe un grand coup !
February 26, 2020
Underbar!!! Otroligt sociologiskt träffsäker om kärlek. Mkt imponerande!! Jag tycker det historiska är lite tråkigt så därför får den 4
March 31, 2025
J’ai aimé apprendre que les fondements sociaux de notre société monogame. Par contre, je pense que je m’y retrouve un peu trop pour partager l’ensemble des idées avancées!
September 23, 2020
Das Buch ist in mehrere Comics unterteilt. Geprägt durch Humor und ein bisschen Provokation geht es um Fragen wie: Was ist Liebe überhaupt? Was hat eine Beziehung mit Kapitalismus zu tun? Ist eine Liebesbeziehung nicht das gleiche wie eine religiöse Sekte? Und was hat Britney Spears jetzt damit zu tun? • Es liest sich sehr schnell und ich musste einige Male laut auflachen. Ich kannte vorher nichts von Liv Strömquist, bin nun aber ganz begeistert. Die Art und Weise wie sie mit für uns selbstverständlichen Themen wie Beziehungen, Sex und Kosenamen umgeht und diese auf andere Art versucht zu erklären oder „aufzudecken“ ist großartig und wird mich noch länger nachdenken lassen.
December 5, 2022
Ihan todella upea teos erityisesti kulttuurissamme olevista heteroparisuhteisiin liittyvistä ongelmallisista piirteistä. Itselleni oli avartavaa tajuta, kuinka paljon emotionaalista etäisyyttä miehiltä usein odotetaan ja kuinka monessa sarjassa jne. populaarikulttuurin teoksessa tämä on huumorin lähde. Teoksessa pohditaan hyvin sitä, että voisimmeko olla onnellisempia, jos parisuhteisiin liittyvien stereotypioden ja ihanteiden sijaan pyrkisimme elämään enemmän rakkaudellisen ystävyyden ideaaleja toteuttavissa ihmissuhteissa.
December 29, 2024
Wow, richtig gut. Einleuchtend, verständlich, tragischerweise witzig.
April 24, 2019
«Donde existe el poder no hay lugar para el amor».
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Siempre hemos dado por hecho que las relaciones de poder son algo «natural» o innato. La supervivencia del más fuerte, la construcción del ego, y que esto rige todo cuanto nos rodea. Es fácilmente perceptible en los ámbitos laborales, en los administrativos, en los jurídicos. Pero es recientemente cuando la lupa se ha puesto en las relaciones afectivas. ¿Hasta qué punto la pareja romántica tradicional, cuya base es el «amor» es realmente igualitaria? Liv ahonda en la idea de la monogamia y el poder como construcción social de forma dinámica y amena.
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Esta es una de las preguntas a las que Liv intenta dar respuesta en «Los sentimientos del principié Carlos» y llega a una conclusión que ya intuíamos: las mujeres cuidan y los hombres son cuidados.
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Una de las cosas más “divertidas” por la forma (trágica por el fondo) en estas dos obras son los rankings. Así, en «Los sentimientos» hace un ranking de «Los siete novios más polémicos de la historia»: Karl Marx, Munch, Sting, Picasso, Einstein... hombres que tuvieron éxito e influencia pero que de puertas para dentro eran unos auténticos explotadores de mujeres, misóginos, dominantes, desagradecidos...
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En «El fruto prohibido» uno de los rankings es «Hombres que estuvieron demasiado interesados en el órgano sexual femenino» como una forma de dominar el cuerpo de la mujer, someterla a las convenciones sociales y controlarla: Médicos, científicos, teólogos, escritores...
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Dos volúmenes que me han acercado a la novela gráfica feminista y que me han parecido Ma-ra-vi-llo-sos. Eso sí, al ser al autora sueca he tenido que tirar mucho de Google para algunos ejemplos locales de su cultura pero eso también ha sido divertido pues me ha obligado a pensar en ejemplos de la nuestra 😉
#LivStrömquist #leoautorastodoelaño #lossentimientosdelpríncipecarlos #lafrutaprohibida #aprenderyreír
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Siempre hemos dado por hecho que las relaciones de poder son algo «natural» o innato. La supervivencia del más fuerte, la construcción del ego, y que esto rige todo cuanto nos rodea. Es fácilmente perceptible en los ámbitos laborales, en los administrativos, en los jurídicos. Pero es recientemente cuando la lupa se ha puesto en las relaciones afectivas. ¿Hasta qué punto la pareja romántica tradicional, cuya base es el «amor» es realmente igualitaria? Liv ahonda en la idea de la monogamia y el poder como construcción social de forma dinámica y amena.
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Esta es una de las preguntas a las que Liv intenta dar respuesta en «Los sentimientos del principié Carlos» y llega a una conclusión que ya intuíamos: las mujeres cuidan y los hombres son cuidados.
🥀
Una de las cosas más “divertidas” por la forma (trágica por el fondo) en estas dos obras son los rankings. Así, en «Los sentimientos» hace un ranking de «Los siete novios más polémicos de la historia»: Karl Marx, Munch, Sting, Picasso, Einstein... hombres que tuvieron éxito e influencia pero que de puertas para dentro eran unos auténticos explotadores de mujeres, misóginos, dominantes, desagradecidos...
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En «El fruto prohibido» uno de los rankings es «Hombres que estuvieron demasiado interesados en el órgano sexual femenino» como una forma de dominar el cuerpo de la mujer, someterla a las convenciones sociales y controlarla: Médicos, científicos, teólogos, escritores...
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Dos volúmenes que me han acercado a la novela gráfica feminista y que me han parecido Ma-ra-vi-llo-sos. Eso sí, al ser al autora sueca he tenido que tirar mucho de Google para algunos ejemplos locales de su cultura pero eso también ha sido divertido pues me ha obligado a pensar en ejemplos de la nuestra 😉
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July 8, 2018
Très intéressant, bien documenté et éclairant. Je ne suis pas encore très versée en lectures féministes, je n'ai pas encore étudié en profondeur les conséquences du patriarcat sur la société (et ici sur les relations amoureuses) mais ça me déprime déjà.
April 16, 2023
Strömquist nous explique, avec clarté et beaucoup d'humour, pas mal de théories sociologiques concernant les relations amoureuses et le mariage. Franchement, je ne me laisserai jamais de ce style extrêmement ironique et cinglant.
January 10, 2024
ach liv strömquist ist einfach der Wahnsinn 🪩
March 9, 2023
¿Puede ser más sabia esta mujer?
July 2, 2024
Très sympa, drôle et enrichissant, plein de réflexions intéressantes sur l'amour et les relations hétérosexuelles.
September 12, 2020
In ,,Der Ursprung der Liebe" sucht Liv Strömquist nach der Antwort auf die Frage was Liebe ist, worin ihr Ursprung liegt und was sie ausmacht. Ihre Suche führt sie von der Prüderie des 19. Jahrhunderts, über nordische Göttinnen, soziologische Theorien, bis hin zur Psychoanalyse.
Strömquists Zeichnungen sind wie immer grandios. Man kann gar nicht anders als sich zwischen den Seiten dieser humorvollen, sarkastischen und klugen Graphic Novel wohl zu fühlen. Um ihre Frage zu beantworten zieht sie verschiedene Theoretiker und populäre Persönlichkeiten heran. Auch wenn die Frage "What is love?" letztlich unbeantwortet bleibt, gibt Strömquist dem/der Leser*in jede Menge nachzudenken.
Schade fand ich jedoch, dass einige Themen nur angerissen und nicht ganz auserzählt wurden. Wer einen tieferen Einblick wünscht sollte definitiv ergänzend zu "Ich fühl´s nicht" greifen. Auch das Ende kam sehr plötzlich und abrupt. Der Fokus liegt zudem doch sehr stark auf dem heteronormativen Beziehungsbild.
"Der Ursprung der Liebe" hat mir gut gefallen, kann meiner Meinung nach jedoch nicht mit ihren anderen bereits erschienenen Graphic Novels mithalten. Trotzdem kann ich es als Einstieg in die Thematik der Herkunft der Liebe empfehlen!
Strömquists Zeichnungen sind wie immer grandios. Man kann gar nicht anders als sich zwischen den Seiten dieser humorvollen, sarkastischen und klugen Graphic Novel wohl zu fühlen. Um ihre Frage zu beantworten zieht sie verschiedene Theoretiker und populäre Persönlichkeiten heran. Auch wenn die Frage "What is love?" letztlich unbeantwortet bleibt, gibt Strömquist dem/der Leser*in jede Menge nachzudenken.
Schade fand ich jedoch, dass einige Themen nur angerissen und nicht ganz auserzählt wurden. Wer einen tieferen Einblick wünscht sollte definitiv ergänzend zu "Ich fühl´s nicht" greifen. Auch das Ende kam sehr plötzlich und abrupt. Der Fokus liegt zudem doch sehr stark auf dem heteronormativen Beziehungsbild.
"Der Ursprung der Liebe" hat mir gut gefallen, kann meiner Meinung nach jedoch nicht mit ihren anderen bereits erschienenen Graphic Novels mithalten. Trotzdem kann ich es als Einstieg in die Thematik der Herkunft der Liebe empfehlen!
August 2, 2021
it is like reading a book written by a teenager, who is passing through a phase of teenage maximalism, where there are only 2 templates of love: total power of a man over a woman (wrong type) and a kind of love like a friendship (where your lover is like a friend and is totally free to do what he wants as if in a loving relationship the two are totally independent of one another)
this type of thinking is total bs because life is not white and black, and there is an infinite range of relationships and situations and there is no universal solution of "how to love without suffering"
the author's main idea is that all men have this perfect lifestyle in mind where there are totally free and independent, but only because all the daily chores are done by their women and all the emotional support that they need is offered by their women
the women, in this situation, are the victims, because no one offers them support, and thus their refuge is in caring for someone (their child, parent, sibling, husband) and sharing all their life drama with their friends, mother, women they meet the first time
while all these situations might exist, they do not represent the majority of lifestyles, at least not in my surroundings (friends, colleagues, people i follow) and both the man and the woman share things in a relationship and care about each other
times have changed, but not for the author, apparently, because she takes the worst examples of toxic relationships and presents them as the current situation of all the love lives in the world
also, her version of falling in love is very stereotyped and taken from films, songs and novels, as if people can't think critically and do not understand that the feeling of being in love fades with time and a more relaxed pace of a relationship is normal and you don't have to break up if you don't feel butterflies in your stomach
she also compares lovers with friends, which is stupid, because of course a partner, especially if the relationship is serious, will influence your life a lot more and your lives will depend a lot more on each other, that is why decisions such as monogamy/poligamy, a job, a place to live and other such basic things matter a lot, if you have a serious relationship
it's as if the author has forgotten that there is a thing called communication, and it solves the most of the mundane problems of a couple, whereas in this comic book the characters behave as hormonal teenagers who have only 2 options: love till death or dramatic breakup and eternal suffering - a very infantile view on life
overall, i would not recommend this comic book to anyone who is searching for a good reading on relationships (it is not my area of expertise, a couples' therapist would be of much more help)
this type of thinking is total bs because life is not white and black, and there is an infinite range of relationships and situations and there is no universal solution of "how to love without suffering"
the author's main idea is that all men have this perfect lifestyle in mind where there are totally free and independent, but only because all the daily chores are done by their women and all the emotional support that they need is offered by their women
the women, in this situation, are the victims, because no one offers them support, and thus their refuge is in caring for someone (their child, parent, sibling, husband) and sharing all their life drama with their friends, mother, women they meet the first time
while all these situations might exist, they do not represent the majority of lifestyles, at least not in my surroundings (friends, colleagues, people i follow) and both the man and the woman share things in a relationship and care about each other
times have changed, but not for the author, apparently, because she takes the worst examples of toxic relationships and presents them as the current situation of all the love lives in the world
also, her version of falling in love is very stereotyped and taken from films, songs and novels, as if people can't think critically and do not understand that the feeling of being in love fades with time and a more relaxed pace of a relationship is normal and you don't have to break up if you don't feel butterflies in your stomach
she also compares lovers with friends, which is stupid, because of course a partner, especially if the relationship is serious, will influence your life a lot more and your lives will depend a lot more on each other, that is why decisions such as monogamy/poligamy, a job, a place to live and other such basic things matter a lot, if you have a serious relationship
it's as if the author has forgotten that there is a thing called communication, and it solves the most of the mundane problems of a couple, whereas in this comic book the characters behave as hormonal teenagers who have only 2 options: love till death or dramatic breakup and eternal suffering - a very infantile view on life
overall, i would not recommend this comic book to anyone who is searching for a good reading on relationships (it is not my area of expertise, a couples' therapist would be of much more help)
July 5, 2019
Liv Strömquist has an excelent ability to make complex philosophical theories understandable in one read. I would recommend this to anyone. This book contains more memorable information than volumes of technical, philosophical and theoretical wordiness.
This book should be read in schools. I'm serious. This book has the appeal to change the world for the better. Its message is universal: We should rid ourselves from the last dogmatic belief system / religion that is the idea of romantic love that is based on the ownership of someone's body. It should be clear already how much it has caused pain in the society; thus, this book is a massive boon to anyone willing to read it.
Only one complaint is that Strömquist fails to make clear that it is not some colossal conspiracy by all men to exploit women. I think she should make it clear that the class-structure of society with its conventions have limited, forcibly boxed and exploited HUMAN BEINGS - Human beings.
In any case, the book is simply golden: it has laugh-out-loud moments, clear argumentation and great drawings. This book brings forth the power that comics can have at their best.
Lastly, Liv Strömquist can be called and celebrated as a real social critic; she goes to the history of things without which there cannot be any real understanding of the situation we are finding ourselves nowadays.
A must read!
5/5
This book should be read in schools. I'm serious. This book has the appeal to change the world for the better. Its message is universal: We should rid ourselves from the last dogmatic belief system / religion that is the idea of romantic love that is based on the ownership of someone's body. It should be clear already how much it has caused pain in the society; thus, this book is a massive boon to anyone willing to read it.
Only one complaint is that Strömquist fails to make clear that it is not some colossal conspiracy by all men to exploit women. I think she should make it clear that the class-structure of society with its conventions have limited, forcibly boxed and exploited HUMAN BEINGS - Human beings.
In any case, the book is simply golden: it has laugh-out-loud moments, clear argumentation and great drawings. This book brings forth the power that comics can have at their best.
Lastly, Liv Strömquist can be called and celebrated as a real social critic; she goes to the history of things without which there cannot be any real understanding of the situation we are finding ourselves nowadays.
A must read!
5/5
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