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A Non-Anxious Presence: How a Changing and Complex World will Create a Remnant of Renewed Christian Leaders
For much of recent history individuals and institutions could plan, execute, and flourish with their visions of a better world. Volatile, complex forces could be addressed and confronted with planning and management. But crisis is a great revealer. It knocks us off our thrones. It uncovers the weaknesses in our strategies and brings to light our myths and idols. Our past strategies run aground, smashed by unpredictable and chaotic waves. Yet in the midst of the chaos of a crisis comes opportunity. The history of the church tells us that crisis always precedes renewal, and the framework of renewal offers us new ways forward. A Non-Anxious Presence shows how that renewal happens and offers churches and leaders strategic ways to awaken the Church and see our culture changed for Christ.
208 pages, Paperback
Published May 3, 2022
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Mark Sayers
20 books255 followersMark Sayers is the senior leader of Red Church and the cofounder of Über Ministries. He is particularly interested in the intersection between Christianity and the culture of the West. Mark lives in Melbourne, Australia, with his wife, Trudi, and their daughter (Grace) and twin boys (Hudson and Billy).
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October 10, 2024
The days are dark and chaotic. Things feel overwhelmingly complex. But these are the types of times God moves in great ways. And the way He will bring renewal is through leaders; leaders who experience the presence of God and strike out boldly into the chaos as a non-anxious presence.
We are living in what Sayers calls a Gray Zone- a time of rapid, chaotic, complex and confusing change.
"The gray zone will be the context in which you will live and lead. We must understand it and learn to flourish within it."
The first half of the book is about understanding the Gray Zone, the second half is about flourishing and leading in it.
This (from chapter 1) about sums up the book:
"For those who have found themselves overrun by the sheer pace of change over the last five years, who anxiously try to find their bearings in this time—you are not alone.
However, we follow an unchanging God, who is advancing His kingdom in this gray zone moment."
Sayers is a voracious reader and one of his great gifts to the church is distilling vast amounts of learning into concise, easy-to-digest summaries. A pastor in Australia, Sayers lives outside the American bubble and is thus more aware of global politics and economics, and better able to critique America.
Sayers has become my favorite author for two reasons:
- He helps me understand the times
- He gives me hope (a shaft of light, a reminder that God hovers over the chaos)
Sayers is unique among writers in that he nails both the diagnosis AND the cure. Incredibly rare. Many books excel at diagnosis. Very few books offer a practical cure. One in a million excels at both diagnosis and cure. [I’m guessing it’s because writers who are smart enough to understand the times are so cloistered in academia and so buried in books that they aren’t connected to real people; they aren’t practitioners, only researchers/writers. Sayers somehow does both. He pastors a church and knows his flock.]
Even more remarkable: Sayers does it with simple, clear writing. This wisdom is not buried under dense academic writing.
I had originally given this book 4 stars. It's a little choppy and underdeveloped- I get the sense that it was rushed to print to not miss this moment of chaos (it was written during the pandemic but is broadly applicable; as it does not appear the chaos is diminishing!). Hard to put in words - it just felt a little less polished than his other books.
But I went back and bumped it up to 5. Because it is such a rare accomplishment: to nail both diagnosis and cure; AND to deliver that content in short, easy to digest chapters is quite the feat.
We are living in what Sayers calls a Gray Zone- a time of rapid, chaotic, complex and confusing change.
"The gray zone will be the context in which you will live and lead. We must understand it and learn to flourish within it."
The first half of the book is about understanding the Gray Zone, the second half is about flourishing and leading in it.
This (from chapter 1) about sums up the book:
"For those who have found themselves overrun by the sheer pace of change over the last five years, who anxiously try to find their bearings in this time—you are not alone.
However, we follow an unchanging God, who is advancing His kingdom in this gray zone moment."
Sayers is a voracious reader and one of his great gifts to the church is distilling vast amounts of learning into concise, easy-to-digest summaries. A pastor in Australia, Sayers lives outside the American bubble and is thus more aware of global politics and economics, and better able to critique America.
Sayers has become my favorite author for two reasons:
- He helps me understand the times
- He gives me hope (a shaft of light, a reminder that God hovers over the chaos)
Sayers is unique among writers in that he nails both the diagnosis AND the cure. Incredibly rare. Many books excel at diagnosis. Very few books offer a practical cure. One in a million excels at both diagnosis and cure. [I’m guessing it’s because writers who are smart enough to understand the times are so cloistered in academia and so buried in books that they aren’t connected to real people; they aren’t practitioners, only researchers/writers. Sayers somehow does both. He pastors a church and knows his flock.]
Even more remarkable: Sayers does it with simple, clear writing. This wisdom is not buried under dense academic writing.
I had originally given this book 4 stars. It's a little choppy and underdeveloped- I get the sense that it was rushed to print to not miss this moment of chaos (it was written during the pandemic but is broadly applicable; as it does not appear the chaos is diminishing!). Hard to put in words - it just felt a little less polished than his other books.
But I went back and bumped it up to 5. Because it is such a rare accomplishment: to nail both diagnosis and cure; AND to deliver that content in short, easy to digest chapters is quite the feat.
August 5, 2022
I have found Mark's writing helpful in the past, and was really looking forward to this one. The first three quarters of the book is his assessment of the cultural moment we find ourselves in, and it resonated deeply. I found myself reading passages to ministry colleagues who responded, "That's it! Yes. That's our experience of the past two years." So, I eagerly began the final section of the book on how to allow this "gray zone/wilderness" season to shape us as non-anxious leaders. And I confess I was disappointed. He leans heavily on the narrative of David from the bible, but it feels simplistic. For example, on 175. "David was a non-anxious presence because he had the presence of God." I would hardly describe David's overall narrative as one of non-anxious presence. Nor that the shepherd model works as clearly as he tries to make it work. He mostly quotes other peoples' reflections on David's life, but only from a narrow perspective.
If we're all experiencing the gray zone, then what differentiates anxious from non-anxious leaders according to the book appears to be withdrawing and experiencing the presence of God. Which hardly feels ground-breaking insight for church leaders. And if "spiritual authority will be the essential leadership quality in our gray zone moment," then what exactly is that "spiritual authority"? How does it function? His conclusions felt somewhat cliché, simplistic, and disappointing following his excellent analysis of the cultural moment.
4.5 for the beginning of the book, 2 for the conclusion.
If we're all experiencing the gray zone, then what differentiates anxious from non-anxious leaders according to the book appears to be withdrawing and experiencing the presence of God. Which hardly feels ground-breaking insight for church leaders. And if "spiritual authority will be the essential leadership quality in our gray zone moment," then what exactly is that "spiritual authority"? How does it function? His conclusions felt somewhat cliché, simplistic, and disappointing following his excellent analysis of the cultural moment.
4.5 for the beginning of the book, 2 for the conclusion.
January 26, 2023
A bit of a confused book - possibly in trying to do too much; unpack our present cultural moment, provide Jim Collins-esque leadership advice, and share biblical principles for spiritual growth.
What I appreciated the most about the book was explaining Edwin Friedman’s work - which seems to be the inspiration of the book and title itself
What I appreciated the most about the book was explaining Edwin Friedman’s work - which seems to be the inspiration of the book and title itself
October 23, 2022
I don't think this book is what I expected. It was very well written and researched, but definitely spent majority of the book talking about the complex world we live in, our culture and significant changes throughout history, and only about 3 chapters discussing the importance of non-anxious leaders. He is undoubtedly a knowledgeable author and analysed a lot of important topics and cultural shifts.
March 25, 2024
Such a timely and profound book. The challenge of our day is to lead by being a non anxious presence in a world filled with anxiety.
February 5, 2024
This was disappointing… it’s a bunch of pop psychology and ok historical work. Hard times make good leaders, stay out of the comfort zone etc.
October 14, 2023
“You we’re not patterned after heaven to retreat into a comfort zone” !
I think I wanted a bit more practicality or a How To but the basic premise was good: be a non anxious presence in the gray zone of the times
I think I wanted a bit more practicality or a How To but the basic premise was good: be a non anxious presence in the gray zone of the times
September 30, 2022
This book seems to be the culmination of what Sayers has been writing and talking about for years. And with our post-pandemic world the conclusions and thoughts he has been thinking for years are so needed. He brings out that the place we have been in the West is not coming back instead we inhabit a gray zone. This gray zone allows us to do things in a way that (my words not his) will precipitate revival in our countries. This made me think and made me rethink some assumptions I have made. As a minister going forward I am excited to think things through differently in light of this book’s argument. This was a great book. Totally what I needed! Highly recommended
August 30, 2022
Sayers writes this book as a reflection on the Christian Church and systems undergoing change. As things change, people get stressed. The best response to this as leaders is to be a non-anxious presence. Probably my favorite book of the year!
The Main Idea: If our trust is in Christ, then stop sweating the petty things.
The Main Idea: If our trust is in Christ, then stop sweating the petty things.
June 5, 2022
In his follow-up work to Reappearing Church, Mark Sayers dives into his concept of a "non-anxious presence." He explains that the West and the whole world are shifting into a new era, leaving the last era of the American Century scrambled and confused in what he calls a "gray zone." This "gray zone" has left many leaders and nominal Christians at a loss, as the American model of leadership is failing. In the midst of these complex times, Sayers points out that a presence fully reliant on God is what will shape leaders and churches moving forward.
In a lot of ways, this book called out a lot of the mental maps I inherited of what it means to lead and live in America. It also left me convicted that all the chaos in the world is evidence of a shifting time and that events like COVID, war, and supply chain issues are no mere hiccup in modern living. I do believe that Sayers sees something that not a lot of other voices are noticing.
However, I must explain the lower amount of stars. Sayers' conclusion is less than elaborate. While he offers Christian leaders a glimpse into a paradigm shift of being forged by the Spirit, he also offers no practical ways to live into this paradigm. If it wasn't for other books I've read about spiritual practices lately, this book may have left me empty-handed.
I also would critique Sayers' biblical analysis. He proposed that King David is a prime scriptural example of a leader who is tried by the wilderness and leads from a non-anxious presence—that David is the opposite of a leader operating out of a comfort zone. While this may be true about David in 1 Samuel, the latter half of David's life is nothing but a leader living from a comfort zone. In all honesty, the real example of a wilderness "Spirit-empowered" leader in the scriptures is Moses. The man literally was made radiant by spending so much time with YHWH in the Sinai wilderness.
All things considered, this is a golden book for those who want to see the Church move to endurance in a complex world.
In a lot of ways, this book called out a lot of the mental maps I inherited of what it means to lead and live in America. It also left me convicted that all the chaos in the world is evidence of a shifting time and that events like COVID, war, and supply chain issues are no mere hiccup in modern living. I do believe that Sayers sees something that not a lot of other voices are noticing.
However, I must explain the lower amount of stars. Sayers' conclusion is less than elaborate. While he offers Christian leaders a glimpse into a paradigm shift of being forged by the Spirit, he also offers no practical ways to live into this paradigm. If it wasn't for other books I've read about spiritual practices lately, this book may have left me empty-handed.
I also would critique Sayers' biblical analysis. He proposed that King David is a prime scriptural example of a leader who is tried by the wilderness and leads from a non-anxious presence—that David is the opposite of a leader operating out of a comfort zone. While this may be true about David in 1 Samuel, the latter half of David's life is nothing but a leader living from a comfort zone. In all honesty, the real example of a wilderness "Spirit-empowered" leader in the scriptures is Moses. The man literally was made radiant by spending so much time with YHWH in the Sinai wilderness.
All things considered, this is a golden book for those who want to see the Church move to endurance in a complex world.
January 1, 2024
If I was going to do a week-long leadership training, I would strongly recommend this book. Sayers is such a student of globalism, disruptions, anxiety, and the Bible. He comes to the conclusion, and I think he's right, that leaders will need to learn how to cultivate non-anxious presence in a world full of constant uncertainty at the macro- and the micro-level. This is a great book to read after diving into Ed Friedman's Failure of Nerve, which was truly eye-opening but ends with a tough proposition. Leaders just need to be built and to become indestructible. This will be the cure to anxiety. Sayers challenges Friedman and builds off his work.
But rather than just try harder, Sayers shows how such a calming, non-anxious leadership style can only be formed in the metaphorical wilderness and only after one has pressed and continues to press into God. As a bonus, I found Sayers to be an astute observer and reader of U.S. foreign policy and international relations literature. He cited many of the field's best thinkers and works, which just adds to the level of insight he can provide.
But rather than just try harder, Sayers shows how such a calming, non-anxious leadership style can only be formed in the metaphorical wilderness and only after one has pressed and continues to press into God. As a bonus, I found Sayers to be an astute observer and reader of U.S. foreign policy and international relations literature. He cited many of the field's best thinkers and works, which just adds to the level of insight he can provide.
May 9, 2025
This book had some really powerful truths in it - from the reality of our world today and it’s impact on our understanding of faith and community to the wilderness and God’s sanctifying work in it, it was encouraging to remember that God still reigns and moves, even in the darkest of times.
That being said, I really struggled with his writing style. I felt almost frustrated by it at times. It was back and forth - he would mention a topic, move away from it, and then come back to it again. It was too distracting for me.
I also think he missed the mark on the conclusion, or maybe that’s a reflection on my own expectations. I thought he would talk more about anxiety and how to actually be a non-anxious presence, but he really doesn’t. Disappointing when I was hoping for something a bit more clear given the title!
A good book but not my favorite 😊
That being said, I really struggled with his writing style. I felt almost frustrated by it at times. It was back and forth - he would mention a topic, move away from it, and then come back to it again. It was too distracting for me.
I also think he missed the mark on the conclusion, or maybe that’s a reflection on my own expectations. I thought he would talk more about anxiety and how to actually be a non-anxious presence, but he really doesn’t. Disappointing when I was hoping for something a bit more clear given the title!
A good book but not my favorite 😊
January 8, 2023
Wow - what a start to the reading year! This book has been on my TBR for a while, so when I had a break in my listening schedule, I was stoked to pick it up.
In some ways, this wasn’t quite what I expected (although I’m familiar enough with Sayer’s style through the rebuilders podcast that I should have known). It’s not so much focused on the inner life a leader, but is rather an exploration of the broader social and geopolitical contexts that explain why we are living in such anxious times, and therefore how and why it is imperative that Christian leaders find their security in Christ. Which of course does end up reflecting on the leader’s inner life.
What didn’t surprise me at all was the quality of the work. Sayers is erudite, articulate and insightful. On top of that, the audio was very easy to listen to: the Aussie narration is spot on, the chapters short but rich, and the list of takeaways at the end of each chapter is brilliant (because these chapters are contain a lot and it’s hard to take notes while audio-walking!). That said, I’m off to grab a hard copy so I can digest it a little more slowly with the help of my highlighters
I found this book to be thought-provoking, challenging and encouraging, and I highly recommend it to those who love to think about the intersection between faith and culture and especially where our hope truly lies. Fabulous reflection for those who find themselves leading in such a time at this.
In some ways, this wasn’t quite what I expected (although I’m familiar enough with Sayer’s style through the rebuilders podcast that I should have known). It’s not so much focused on the inner life a leader, but is rather an exploration of the broader social and geopolitical contexts that explain why we are living in such anxious times, and therefore how and why it is imperative that Christian leaders find their security in Christ. Which of course does end up reflecting on the leader’s inner life.
What didn’t surprise me at all was the quality of the work. Sayers is erudite, articulate and insightful. On top of that, the audio was very easy to listen to: the Aussie narration is spot on, the chapters short but rich, and the list of takeaways at the end of each chapter is brilliant (because these chapters are contain a lot and it’s hard to take notes while audio-walking!). That said, I’m off to grab a hard copy so I can digest it a little more slowly with the help of my highlighters
I found this book to be thought-provoking, challenging and encouraging, and I highly recommend it to those who love to think about the intersection between faith and culture and especially where our hope truly lies. Fabulous reflection for those who find themselves leading in such a time at this.
June 18, 2025
I don’t mean to be too harsh, but I really didn’t connect with his thought process. The writing is so choppy, with a lot of short statement sentences. The book tries to dabble in sociology, psychology, anthropology, and Biblical exposition and as a result, left me with a jumbled rambling of ideas. The good thoughts he did have were extremely simplistic, and so largely unhelpful.
It does seem by the ratings and some of my friends that this book has been more inspiring to them than it has me. Maybe I’m just in a bad mood 🤷
It does seem by the ratings and some of my friends that this book has been more inspiring to them than it has me. Maybe I’m just in a bad mood 🤷
February 3, 2024
Sayers presents a fascinating and insightful view of the nature and opportunities of this global moment.
-People gravitate toward building strongholds to create human security. A walled city, a strong military, a sturdy economy.
-An era is defined by the period marked by the dominant stronghold of its time. Greek, Roman, Victorian eras, and the 1900s were “the American Century.”
-Power has now become dispersed enough via the internet and globalism, that America is no longer the stronghold it once was
-The time between eras are unsettling, chaotic years when people are unmoored from old loyalties and securities: called The Gray Zone
-Gray zones are opportunities for the church as Christianity becomes loosened from empire, and people are looking for a new source of security and cause to place their loyalty
-Christian leaders must not give in to the frenzy, but follow the Spirit and lead from a place of certainty in the character and Kingdom of God. This will draw people to Christ and the true source of hope and strength.
-The Kingdom Rules of power are guiding here, which are very different from the earthly rules of power
-People gravitate toward building strongholds to create human security. A walled city, a strong military, a sturdy economy.
-An era is defined by the period marked by the dominant stronghold of its time. Greek, Roman, Victorian eras, and the 1900s were “the American Century.”
-Power has now become dispersed enough via the internet and globalism, that America is no longer the stronghold it once was
-The time between eras are unsettling, chaotic years when people are unmoored from old loyalties and securities: called The Gray Zone
-Gray zones are opportunities for the church as Christianity becomes loosened from empire, and people are looking for a new source of security and cause to place their loyalty
-Christian leaders must not give in to the frenzy, but follow the Spirit and lead from a place of certainty in the character and Kingdom of God. This will draw people to Christ and the true source of hope and strength.
-The Kingdom Rules of power are guiding here, which are very different from the earthly rules of power
September 27, 2024
There was a lot going on and I didn’t love the text book, key themes writing style— it was great for reading quickly though! Overall, I think this would be an awesome podcast (maybe there is one???) and it did give helpful insight into current cultural anxiety.
The main overview is that we’re living in an anxious time where anxiety spreads and individuals rather than organizations now need to take leadership. This time is not hopeless, God is planting seeds of renewal and will use non-anxious leaders to grow health. To do that, leaders must get away with God who is the only one who gives true peace, in order to become non-anxious presences. The practices are sabbathing and retreating to listen to God’s voice, trust in the identity He gives, and become differentiated, rather than being sucked in by the anxiety of the world.
The main overview is that we’re living in an anxious time where anxiety spreads and individuals rather than organizations now need to take leadership. This time is not hopeless, God is planting seeds of renewal and will use non-anxious leaders to grow health. To do that, leaders must get away with God who is the only one who gives true peace, in order to become non-anxious presences. The practices are sabbathing and retreating to listen to God’s voice, trust in the identity He gives, and become differentiated, rather than being sucked in by the anxiety of the world.
July 8, 2025
I'm between a three and a four for this. Sayers has some really good points/ideas. At other moments his writing seems a bit disconnected or just trying to cover too great a scope in such a short period. It leaves many claims, whether correct or not, unsupported. I'm also not convinced that his use of Scripture is always the best but I would have to sit down with the texts and examine them further before saying that confidently. Interesting quick read though.
June 27, 2023
The first half was excellent and full of insight as Sayers diagnoses the problem of our culture's restless anxiety. It really had much to offer and was worth the price of the book for the first half alone. The second half was sadly lacking in clarity as he tried to administer a biblical solution.
5 stars for the first half, 3 for the second half.
5 stars for the first half, 3 for the second half.
May 28, 2024
I was not expecting to enjoy this book as much as I did. I borrowed as an audiobook from Libby with 7 days to listen. I definitely don’t recommend listening to it as fast as I did. I’ll probably go back to reread at some point.
However, I’m walking away feeling hopeful and with some thoughts about our current era. This book is very thought provoking, challenging, and inspiring.
However, I’m walking away feeling hopeful and with some thoughts about our current era. This book is very thought provoking, challenging, and inspiring.
July 24, 2022
Not the first or the best book on human systems and anxiety, but encouraging and very Christ-focused. On pages 95-102 Sayers gives great, succinct descriptions of how anxiety shapes human relationships that I’ll definitely return to and share with others.
January 2, 2022
Timely, urgent book.
July 4, 2022
A mixture of Edwin Friedman’s family system theory and McCrystal’s “Team of Teams” concept. A hope filled proposal that we look at our chaotic and networked world as a chance to hear God’s voice a fresh and as an opportunity to follow him.
August 29, 2022
A paradigm shaping and shifting read on leadership in the modern era.
I am already thinking of who I can give this book to, and when I can read it again.
I am already thinking of who I can give this book to, and when I can read it again.
March 30, 2023
Not my favorite of his books (maybe Disappearing Church or Facing Leviathan), but an interesting read and a very different approach to being non-anxious.
May 27, 2023
Loved it, was both encouraged and challenged!
May 27, 2023
Essential if you like big-picture thinking
November 23, 2022
The first two-thirds of this book includes a whirlwind overview of cultural change, and is jam-packed with insights that resonated deeply with me. There are also a ton of super-encouraging interpretations and concepts that really help the reader put some language to what we have all been living through. That section alone is worth grabbing and reading the book for.
The final section does feel a bit 'half-baked,' perhaps a bit rushed? Because I listen to Mark's podcast, and generally find him a thoughtful and trustworthy voice, I was hoping for some more depth and theological reflections on leadership concepts from Friedman, Heifetz & Linksy, etc.....but it just felt a bit shallow and incomplete.
Again, the first section is basically solid gold, and is packaged in such a concise, readable, well-researched fashion, that I still overall appreciated the book. You can tell that's more of Mark's 'wheelhouse' and I definitely will be revisiting that section again soon. It's just a bit of a mixed recommendation because of that final section, but still worth a read.
The final section does feel a bit 'half-baked,' perhaps a bit rushed? Because I listen to Mark's podcast, and generally find him a thoughtful and trustworthy voice, I was hoping for some more depth and theological reflections on leadership concepts from Friedman, Heifetz & Linksy, etc.....but it just felt a bit shallow and incomplete.
Again, the first section is basically solid gold, and is packaged in such a concise, readable, well-researched fashion, that I still overall appreciated the book. You can tell that's more of Mark's 'wheelhouse' and I definitely will be revisiting that section again soon. It's just a bit of a mixed recommendation because of that final section, but still worth a read.
April 16, 2023
I don’t know what I was expecting, but this was really disappointing. A few of the middle chapters offered some interesting socio-cultural insights through accessible systems theory. Most of the rest of the book is war/battlefield metaphors and leadership jargon. Where there is theological commentary, the theology is not very good. A lot of this reads like a pop-culture sermon or a sermony leadership book (maybe there’s not much of a difference?). At the end, the “biblical” example of non-anxious leadership is (you’ll never guess!) David!
The most surprising part is that each chapter is interrupted three times by a “Key Idea” that repeats or sums up things that have already been stated in the chapter. Then, at the end of the chapter, the three Key Idead are repeated. (I’ll blame the publisher rather than the writer.) It’s almost as if there is an expectation that readers won’t actually read this, so they want to summarize everything in the book for those inattentive readers. Yet, for those readers who are paying attention, these moments feel like spoonfeeding and overstating decent points as guru-like epiphanies (which, in general, they are not).
The most surprising part is that each chapter is interrupted three times by a “Key Idea” that repeats or sums up things that have already been stated in the chapter. Then, at the end of the chapter, the three Key Idead are repeated. (I’ll blame the publisher rather than the writer.) It’s almost as if there is an expectation that readers won’t actually read this, so they want to summarize everything in the book for those inattentive readers. Yet, for those readers who are paying attention, these moments feel like spoonfeeding and overstating decent points as guru-like epiphanies (which, in general, they are not).
November 6, 2023
I loved the title of this book, but the content didn't match. It got better after the first 8 chapters, but those first 8 chapters soured the book for me. Maybe this is on me for having a preconceived expectation that I brought to the book (which the title contributed to), but I thought it was going to be a Henri Nouwen-style spiritual formation book to help me rest in the Lord, rest in my identity, etc. The book, and the first 8 chapters in particular, were a historical overview of how various wars or Covid changed the landscape that we face. Where cultural anxiety has come from historically. I plucked out some helpful things from the book that help with current life / leadership situation, but they feel surface-level, where I was hoping for something deeper from this book.
December 23, 2022
“Over every wilderness, chaotic environment, and gray zone, the Spirit hovers. The presence of God is always present, offering us the pattern of heaven. The plans, the heavenly blueprints that signal renewal of any moment, and the reordering of the most chaotic environments. Every moment, every action, every thought, every problem contains the renewal potential of remaking that moment according to the pattern of heaven. This is hope.”– Mark Sayers
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