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Le Sociologue et l’historien
Roger Chartier : Il me semble que ton projet est de donner des outils permettant de démonter les mécanismes de domination qui fonctionnent sous les espèces de la division naturelle, normale, ancestrale. Ce qui, je crois, est assez contraire à une image très stéréotypée de ce travail, qui est pensé comme montrant des contraintes broyant les individus et ne leur donnant aucune place.
Pierre Bourdieu : Si je voulais répondre en une phrase à ce que tu viens de dire, je dirais que nous naissons déterminés et nous avons une petite chance de finir libres. Nous naissons dans l'impensé et nous avons une toute petite chance de devenir des sujets. Ce que je reproche à ceux qui invoquent à tout va la liberté, le sujet, la personne, etc., c'est d'enfermer les agents sociaux dans l'illusion de la liberté, qui est une des voies à travers lesquelles s'exerce le déterminisme. C'est à condition de s'approprier les instruments de pensée, et aussi les objets de pensée que l'on reçoit, que l'on peut devenir un petit peu le sujet de ses pensées; à condition, entre autres choses, de se réapproprier la connaissance des déterminismes.
En 1988, l'historien Roger Chartier reçoit le sociologue Pierre Bourdieu à France Culture, pour une série de cinq entretiens, que ce livre reprend intégralement et restitue dans leur contexte intellectuel et politique. Dans un dialogue où se manifestent à la fois leur complicité et une claire conscience de leurs différences, le sociologue et l'historien confrontent leur deux disciplines et leurs rôles respectifs dans la société.
Pierre Bourdieu était sociologue et professeur au Collège de France. Ses livres et ses interventions ont joué un rôle majeur dans la vie intellectuelle et politique en France.
Roger Chartier, historien et professeur au Collège de France, est un des fondateurs de l'histoire du livre et de la lecture.
Pierre Bourdieu : Si je voulais répondre en une phrase à ce que tu viens de dire, je dirais que nous naissons déterminés et nous avons une petite chance de finir libres. Nous naissons dans l'impensé et nous avons une toute petite chance de devenir des sujets. Ce que je reproche à ceux qui invoquent à tout va la liberté, le sujet, la personne, etc., c'est d'enfermer les agents sociaux dans l'illusion de la liberté, qui est une des voies à travers lesquelles s'exerce le déterminisme. C'est à condition de s'approprier les instruments de pensée, et aussi les objets de pensée que l'on reçoit, que l'on peut devenir un petit peu le sujet de ses pensées; à condition, entre autres choses, de se réapproprier la connaissance des déterminismes.
En 1988, l'historien Roger Chartier reçoit le sociologue Pierre Bourdieu à France Culture, pour une série de cinq entretiens, que ce livre reprend intégralement et restitue dans leur contexte intellectuel et politique. Dans un dialogue où se manifestent à la fois leur complicité et une claire conscience de leurs différences, le sociologue et l'historien confrontent leur deux disciplines et leurs rôles respectifs dans la société.
Pierre Bourdieu était sociologue et professeur au Collège de France. Ses livres et ses interventions ont joué un rôle majeur dans la vie intellectuelle et politique en France.
Roger Chartier, historien et professeur au Collège de France, est un des fondateurs de l'histoire du livre et de la lecture.
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First published January 1, 2010
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August 26, 2016
Pierre Bourdieu is perhaps one of the more formidable names in sociology. A prolific and influential thinker, his works have invited praise for its pioneering ethnological approach, grounded in the empirical and informed by the theoretical. Equally, his works have come under fierce criticism from those who oppose his structural homology that suggests individuals are defined by their social origins.
So it is refreshing to revisit the five narratives of these 1988 radio broadcasts in which historian Roger Chartier speaks with Bourdieu about the themes and practices underpinning his thinking. These discursive conversations explore the fields of sociology and history, presenting their overlaps, oversights and at times oppositional positions.
Bourdieu’s self-professed scientific approach has led him to uncover constants that go a considerable way to explaining why one path is taken by some individuals and not others. This, of course, has much to do with Bourdieu’s renowned concept of ‘cultural capital’, which he understands as a stock of cultural behaviours and competencies developed in a child’s social environment. For Bourdieu, this cultural currency is recognised and legitimised through social structures and institutions such as schools, conferring power on those who have inherited cultural capital, and similarly discriminating against those who have not.
As the discussions develop throughout the course of the book, Bourdieu criticises the epistemological approach taken by many historians. Their analysis of past times and characters rely on, rather than contest, accepted categorisations. Bourdieu argues that historians are one of the most likely groups to fall prey to anachronism, applying terms to eras in which they hold no meaning.
Taking politics as an example, Bourdieu explains, “The world of what I call the political field is practically an invention of the nineteenth century”. He argues that the concepts in today’s political landscape are inherited from the historical construct rather than being a contemporary reality. In later discussions, Bourdieu claims that it is anachronistic to say that Michelangelo was an artist. His job, indeed, was an artisan, but the artistic field as we understand it today only functions in a market society, an economic structure that did not exist at the time.
Likewise, Bourdieu admits that sociologists also fall prey to the misapplication of terms, and that false truths about the social world are reproduced at the same time as they are expressed. This makes it very difficult to speak about reality at all. “It is a discourse carrying a metadiscourse that constantly says ‘Be careful what you read’”.
These dialogues have been compiled for the first time in the English language and present a welcome return to Bourdieu’s groundbreaking thinking. They also do well to dispel misrepresentations of Bourdieu as a determinist. By contrast, Bourdieu comes across as a lively and multidisciplinary scientist who, in questioning the architecture beneath actions, has genuinely introduced the possibility for freedom.
So it is refreshing to revisit the five narratives of these 1988 radio broadcasts in which historian Roger Chartier speaks with Bourdieu about the themes and practices underpinning his thinking. These discursive conversations explore the fields of sociology and history, presenting their overlaps, oversights and at times oppositional positions.
Bourdieu’s self-professed scientific approach has led him to uncover constants that go a considerable way to explaining why one path is taken by some individuals and not others. This, of course, has much to do with Bourdieu’s renowned concept of ‘cultural capital’, which he understands as a stock of cultural behaviours and competencies developed in a child’s social environment. For Bourdieu, this cultural currency is recognised and legitimised through social structures and institutions such as schools, conferring power on those who have inherited cultural capital, and similarly discriminating against those who have not.
As the discussions develop throughout the course of the book, Bourdieu criticises the epistemological approach taken by many historians. Their analysis of past times and characters rely on, rather than contest, accepted categorisations. Bourdieu argues that historians are one of the most likely groups to fall prey to anachronism, applying terms to eras in which they hold no meaning.
Taking politics as an example, Bourdieu explains, “The world of what I call the political field is practically an invention of the nineteenth century”. He argues that the concepts in today’s political landscape are inherited from the historical construct rather than being a contemporary reality. In later discussions, Bourdieu claims that it is anachronistic to say that Michelangelo was an artist. His job, indeed, was an artisan, but the artistic field as we understand it today only functions in a market society, an economic structure that did not exist at the time.
Likewise, Bourdieu admits that sociologists also fall prey to the misapplication of terms, and that false truths about the social world are reproduced at the same time as they are expressed. This makes it very difficult to speak about reality at all. “It is a discourse carrying a metadiscourse that constantly says ‘Be careful what you read’”.
These dialogues have been compiled for the first time in the English language and present a welcome return to Bourdieu’s groundbreaking thinking. They also do well to dispel misrepresentations of Bourdieu as a determinist. By contrast, Bourdieu comes across as a lively and multidisciplinary scientist who, in questioning the architecture beneath actions, has genuinely introduced the possibility for freedom.
August 24, 2017
These radio conversations between French sociologist Pierre Bourdieu and French historian Roger Chartier on the intersection of their disciplines crackle with moments of insight but don't really create a whole. They're probably read more fruitfully as a catalyst for one's own thoughts than as raw informational content.
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December 27, 2025Bilimsel bir topluluk gerçek için mücadele edilen bir yerdir.
Tarihci Roger Chartier, France Culture'de bir radyo programı hazırlar. Bu programın adı Fransızca apaçık net konuşma anlamına gelen À voix nue 'dir. Roger, bu programa Fransız sosyolojisinin en onemli ismi Pierre Bourdieu'yu davet eder. Sosyolog ve Tarihci kitabı bu programda konuşulan konuların bes bolum halinde toplanmasıyla oluşur. Kitapta sosyoloji-tarih, sosyoloji -felsefe, sosyoloji-edebiyat ilişkileri yer alırken, toplumsal olayları ele alış biçimiyle de tarih ve sosyoloji bilimi karşılaştırılır. Pierre Bourdie, 1990'lı yıllardan sonra muhalif kişiliğini eserlerinde daha açık bir biçimde göstermiştir. Bu kitapta tarihe olan eleştirilerini de okuruz. Sosyoloji ve edebiyat ilişkisinin incelendiği bölümdeki Flaubert ve Balzac tespitlerini çok sevdim. Balzac ve Flabuert'i bir sosyolog gibi değerlendiren Bourdieu, Flaubert'in Duygusal Eğitim adlı eserinin de bu konuda iyi bir metin olduğunu vurgulamış.İlgilisine tavsiye ederim. Herkesin okuyacağı bir kitap degil. İyi okumalar.
Tarihci Roger Chartier, France Culture'de bir radyo programı hazırlar. Bu programın adı Fransızca apaçık net konuşma anlamına gelen À voix nue 'dir. Roger, bu programa Fransız sosyolojisinin en onemli ismi Pierre Bourdieu'yu davet eder. Sosyolog ve Tarihci kitabı bu programda konuşulan konuların bes bolum halinde toplanmasıyla oluşur. Kitapta sosyoloji-tarih, sosyoloji -felsefe, sosyoloji-edebiyat ilişkileri yer alırken, toplumsal olayları ele alış biçimiyle de tarih ve sosyoloji bilimi karşılaştırılır. Pierre Bourdie, 1990'lı yıllardan sonra muhalif kişiliğini eserlerinde daha açık bir biçimde göstermiştir. Bu kitapta tarihe olan eleştirilerini de okuruz. Sosyoloji ve edebiyat ilişkisinin incelendiği bölümdeki Flaubert ve Balzac tespitlerini çok sevdim. Balzac ve Flabuert'i bir sosyolog gibi değerlendiren Bourdieu, Flaubert'in Duygusal Eğitim adlı eserinin de bu konuda iyi bir metin olduğunu vurgulamış.İlgilisine tavsiye ederim. Herkesin okuyacağı bir kitap degil. İyi okumalar.
September 1, 2015
Esse é um ótimo livro para ser introduzido ao pensamento de Bourdieu, dado que na verdade é uma transcrição de entrevistas, com um prefácio e posfácio bastante reveladores. Esse sistema tipicamente francês de publicar entrevistas de grandes pensadores é muito legal, gostaria que fosse mais generalizado.
February 21, 2024
Seguindo o fluxo de leitura dos livros técnicos (clássicos), cheguei ao fim deste material de relevância acadêmica. O que temos é uma publicação da editora autêntica de 2011 com o título original de “𝐿𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑢𝑒 𝑒𝑡 𝑙’ℎ𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑛”, tradução de Guilherme Teixeira e colaboração de Jaime Clasen. Posso dizer que “O sociólogo e o historiador” é um convite aos admiradores e atuantes na área de humanas, contendo em cada página uma imersão nas considerações de Roger Chartier e Pierre Bourdieu.
O livro de 134 páginas contém considerável aprofundamento intelectual, sendo possível uma releitura, com questões significativas em ambos os seguimentos. Basicamente, trata-se de reflexões, pontos de divergências e das responsabilidades nos campos de atuações, mediante suas respectivas disciplinas. O fator determinante de elaboração deste trabalho editorial é referente ao programa da rádio France Culture, levando o nome de “À voix nue”, com cinco encontros realizados em 1987.
Não existe mistério na leitura, o maior desconforto que o leitor poderá ter é obter informações nas linhas de pesquisas citadas pelos participantes. Vejo apenas pontos positivos caso exista necessidade na busca de maior conexão dos feitos de Bourdieu e Chartier. Recomendo também aos leitores que pensam em algum dia ingressarem nas graduações em sociologia e história, é um ótimo ponto de partida. O posfácio é todo dedicado ao debate de Roger Chartier com José Sérgio Leite Lopes, foi um evento realizado em 2002, um programa de Pós-Graduação em História Social da UFRJ.
O livro de 134 páginas contém considerável aprofundamento intelectual, sendo possível uma releitura, com questões significativas em ambos os seguimentos. Basicamente, trata-se de reflexões, pontos de divergências e das responsabilidades nos campos de atuações, mediante suas respectivas disciplinas. O fator determinante de elaboração deste trabalho editorial é referente ao programa da rádio France Culture, levando o nome de “À voix nue”, com cinco encontros realizados em 1987.
Não existe mistério na leitura, o maior desconforto que o leitor poderá ter é obter informações nas linhas de pesquisas citadas pelos participantes. Vejo apenas pontos positivos caso exista necessidade na busca de maior conexão dos feitos de Bourdieu e Chartier. Recomendo também aos leitores que pensam em algum dia ingressarem nas graduações em sociologia e história, é um ótimo ponto de partida. O posfácio é todo dedicado ao debate de Roger Chartier com José Sérgio Leite Lopes, foi um evento realizado em 2002, um programa de Pós-Graduação em História Social da UFRJ.
June 12, 2023
While the discourse was interesting, I think I would have gathered more with a stronger understanding of Bourdieu and Chartier as scholars. As a scholar in an adjacent field the discussions about scientific work in the social sciences, the role of the researcher and differences between differences were thought provoking.
February 6, 2017
in quoting pascal ("the world comprehend me but i comprehend it"), the book has tacitly professed its dialectical leaning, something that betrays its lazy and predictable dismissal of "totalizing" philosophies such as marxism.
December 4, 2018
Kimi yerlerde sorunlu çeviri, eksik redaksiyon, eksik dipnot, tutarsız imla.
October 1, 2018
Sirve más para pensar que para aprender, aunque hay conceptos importantes explicados y ejemplificados.
Es corto y vale la pena.
Es corto y vale la pena.
August 25, 2015
İçiçe geçmiş iki alan arasındaki araştırma yöntemlerinden tutun da algısına dek uzanan farklara değinen metin, iki akademisyenin arkadaşça ve saygı çerçevesinde gerçekleşen profesyonel bir sohbetinin, zevkle okunan bir kitabı haline gelmiş Tarihçi ve Sosyolog'da. Yazının tamamı ise blog'da.
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