Decency and Disorder: The Age of Cant 1789-1837

by Ben Wilson

We all see the Victorians as a respectable, well-mannered and sober people, yet a generation before Queen Victoria ascended the throne, the British were notorious for their boisterous pastimes, plain-speaking and drunkenness. This book talks about the generation who grew up during the turmoil of the Napoleonic Wars.

Genres: History, Nonfiction, 19th Century, Victorian, 18th Century, Research, British Literature

400 pages, Hardcover

First published January 1, 2007

About the author

Ben Wilson was born in 1980 and educated at Pembroke College, Cambridge, where he graduated with a first class degree and an MPhil in history. He is the author of three books and was named in 2005 as one of Waterstone's 25 Authors of the Future. He has consulted on scripts for various TV history progammes, and has himself appeared on TV and on national radio in the UK, Ireland and the USA. He has given lectures at Tate Britain, Cambridge and Zagreb and at book festivals in the UK including the Edinburgh Festival. He has written for the Spectator, Literary Review, Independent on Sunday, Scotsman, Men's Health, Guardian Online and GQ.
He is the author of five previous books, including What Price Liberty?, for which he received the Somerset Maugham Award, and the Sunday Times bestseller Empire of the Deep: The Rise and Fall of the British Navy.

Reviews

[Becky · Rating 5 out of 5]

This is a well written, and very interesting history of the early 19th century. The writing is engaging and full of detail and the whole thing holds together really well. One thing that struck me especially is how little times have changed, many of the concerns facing the middle classes of the period were exactly the same as today and even expressed in the same manner. Issues of public drunkenness, binge drinking, and the growth of 'fast food' diets among the working class as well as worries that increased unemployment was leading to an over reliance on 'benefits' especially could have been taken directly from many contemporary media outlets. While the solutions put forward to combat these issues were also identical to those being suggested today. I'm not sure if this is a good sign that the 'moral decay' of the modern world is actually a constant concern but nonetheless it was fascinating reading.

[Lauren Albert · Rating 5 out of 5]

Wonderful history of the war between cant and pleasure before the Victorian age. It's amazing what he fits in here--the rise of the cult of sensibility, the war against the poor (work houses, etc.), changing attitudes towards policing, etc. It is well-written and fun. But he is serious when it is called for as when he points out the hypocrisies of the time--the rich holding one standard for themselves and another for the poor. I highly recommend.

[Sam · Rating 4 out of 5]

Interesting to visit the pre-Victorian UK in an era of cultural revolution, when reformers tried to squelch drunkenness, prostitution, coarse language, etc. Many of the forces at play then & there seem eerily familiar. Should we give money to panhandlers or does that encourage indigence? In those days there was the pejorative term 'cant'; today it's 'pc' (political correctness). Then, a post-reform child told his grandmother not to use the word 'belly' in public; now maybe it would be the word 'oriental'.

The reform movements were partly inspired by post-French Revolution fear of the riotous masses. For example, reformers squelched festivals during which masked villagers would mock & threaten their 'betters'. Also, there was a desire to mold the disorderly poor into productive proles for modern industry: for example pre-reform workers demanded to be provided with beer by their employers and took Mondays off as unofficial hangover holidays.

Ben Wilson swings the reader's sympathy back and forth from the resisters to the reformers. On one hand you have the cruelty of a reformer's giant hamster wheel for prisoners and on the other you have reformers abolishing slavery.

One major difference between reformers then & now is that many or most pre-Victorian reformers were inspired by evangelical Christianity.

[Hall's Bookshop · Rating 4 out of 5]

A bit repetitive, but otherwise very interesting

[Norman S · Rating 5 out of 5]

I recall really enjoying this book and the ideas that it contained, the pages seemed to fly by!

[James Stewart · Rating 4 out of 5]

Great overview of the social transitions for the Regency to the Victorian period.

[Jeremy · Rating 4 out of 5]

A magnificently researched book on a fascinating subject. Dense and challenging at times, but really really interesting and informative.

[Tanya · Rating 3 out of 5]

I bought this book because I was interested in understanding how Britain evolved from the bawdy society of the Regency era and before to the staid Victorians of the later 1800's. Wilson tries to pin down this slippery subject, though as I read his book I had a sense of him snatching at butterflies, trying to hold on to enough of them for long enough to get a sense of the whole. Amidst his very high-brow writing style (as I read the book I kept thinking I was glad I didn't have to take one of my kids' Accelerated Reader tests on it; I know my comprehension was down because of the sky-high difficulty level) I grasped a lot of anecdotal examples of a freer society before the 1820's and a gradually more self-regulated one after. I can see that with the introduction of a regular police force, increased enforcement of Sabbath observance, the ballooning fashion of moral "cant, " and a crackdown on the more riotous behaviors of the poor, that times were changing. I recognize the rampant hypocrisy that Wilson was so quick to equate with moral reformers of today (I resented his lack of objectivity on this). And I understand that the insecurity of the Napoleonic Wars years caused a lot of philosophical re-evaluation. But even after reading this book, I would have a really difficult time writing an essay on the topic, "What caused the value shift in England from the Regency to Victorian eras?"

[Dan · Rating 4 out of 5]

I picked this up based on a review in The Economist, it's by a young up and coming British historian. Lots of fact and anecdote relating to the change in the British attitude towards various debaucheries that took place between the years cited in the title. Excellent backdrop for contemplating why a society might suddenly value thrift, propriety, and conformity in the face of external national threats (Napoleon in the Victorians' case, 9-11 in our own).

There's not too much coverage of the "dissent" faction, other than of the poet Byron and a couple practical-minded parliamentarians. A constant theme of the author is to pick out incidents that shed light on the difference between an honest concern for the less well-enough and a pious officious interference with their limited pleasures.

[Tuuli · Rating 4 out of 5]

A fascinating subject! There is an implication that today there is a movement in out culture to return to Victorian values and ostensibly because they were so darned moral. As author Ben Wilson examines the era we find a fascinating tendency towards hypocrisy and moral paranoia. There are some illuminating tidbits of history here which are interesting for anyone interested in the Victorian era and either how it influences our moral squeamishness today or informs of the culture from which some of our favorite authors, poets and murderers (Sweeney Todd...he was a real dude!) come from. What was it to be English? How did it evolve? Nifty. I am only part way through. Not as quick and fun to read as a novel but nifty. Ciao!

[Chandrashekar Gangaraju · Rating 5 out of 5]

I was spellbound by this great piece of british history. It opened up a lot of things for me, particularly due to my interest in social constructionism, conformity, aesthetics, morality, etc.
'Cant' was a new term for me and I was surprised not to see much about that in the current literature. I felt that cant is the precursor of what we now call political correctness. Being an immigrant from India I feel that India is currently going through a similar phase, and feel quite nostalgic for certain things which were present when I was a kid.
This book led me to his book on William Hone which was good.

[Tory · Rating 4 out of 5]

Very interesting history of England during the late Georgian and Regency periods, which explores the reasons values shifted in England from frank openness (and bawdiness) to the Victorian standards of maintaining the appearance of virtue and extreme sexual prudishness. I didn't always follow the author's arguments but I learned a lot.

[Rena Sherwood · Rating 2 out of 5]

The best thing about this book is the cover. Confusing at times and downright dull at others, this is a very dry and meandering look at the UK from 1789 to 1837 (when Victoria took the throne.)

[Thom Dunn · Rating 4 out of 5]

Rather more dulce than utile. I.e., you have to actually read this one if you want to acquire its thrust. The more American top-down-quicky-file-cabinet approach won't get it. After the French Revolution, the British upper-crust was scared witless of what had happened in France happening there.

[Browncadoc · Rating 5 out of 5]

Fascinating to read how history repeats itself. So often we tell ourselves that the speed of change during our lifetime is unprecedented. Not so, as is so brilliantly set out here. A great introduction to the reign of George III and the Regency too.

[Catherine Siemann · Rating 4 out of 5]

aka, they had waaaaay more fun in the 18th century . . .

[Stephen Smith]

The Making of Victorian Values: Decency and Dissent in Britain: 1789-1837 by Ben Wilson (2007)

[Vanessa Kelly · Rating 4 out of 5]

A treasure trove of beautifully written social history.

[Meg Cain · Rating 4 out of 5]

read the republished version under the name "The Making of Victorian Values" Really good read.

[Sarah Harkness · Rating 2 out of 5]

Tough going in places, and a bit repetitive. But some lovely nuggets in there.