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Stockholm Syndrome #2

17 Black and 29 Red

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Second part in the Stockholm Syndrome trilogy:

Some mistakes are too enormous and some people are too stubborn for anything to work except running away, but the world is never as big as you need it to be and eventually you can't help circling back to where you started.

164 pages, ebook

First published January 1, 2009

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Richard Rider's name once autocorrected to Richard Ridiculous, which kind of says it all.

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Profile Image for Judith.
724 reviews2,947 followers
August 28, 2016
4.5 Stars.

Loving this series.







This is a series that completely took me by surprise but I'm absolutely drawn into it....it's just so good.

After the way book one ended I couldn't wait to read this.Spanning over many years,which is my absolute favourite thing.......this one definitely had a different feel about it

I knew going into it that Lindsay and Valentine spent the majority of the book apart which might have been a bit disappointing but it wasn't

I absolutely love these two men,even after years apart they are so right for each other.This Author has created two brilliant characters,especially Valentine....

Trust me,if you enjoy M/M books with characters that are totally real you should definitely read this series......
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858 reviews4,000 followers
September 3, 2016
3 stars.***Review posted January 28, 2014

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"Of course I do, that's the point, I can't. He's like…the worst of everything. He's like crack and poison. Killer speedball in a skin suit.

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A LOST OPPORTUNITY

Only a short review...

17 Black and 29 Red spans a timeframe of several years. Again, the writing and dialogue are compelling and it could have been a great read if there hadn't been a plot device I'm honestly not fond of. At all. The MCs Sorry but that's just too late. As opposed to the first book, however, Pip and Lindsay really grew on me and I liked them as characters.
Lindsay's mother is wonderful and I liked Ellie very much. Once again I have to observe that male authors (specifically M/M authors) write lovable female characters who appeal very much to me. As a consequence, I think that especially female authors who write het romance could take a leaf out of their book. I wonder if gay (male) authors have a better ability to empathize with women. One thing's for sure though, they hardly ever write stupid female characters. Thanks for small favors.

You must read the books in order:

Stockholm Syndrome
17 Black and 29 Red
No Beginning, No End


P.S. I'm inclined to tell you that you could skip book 2. BUT. It's still worth reading. :P

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1,367 reviews486 followers
August 3, 2016


I have to be honest, I had to make an effort to read this book. Yes, the beginning was frustratingly slow. I just wanted them to be together for once. But at the same time, I feared that moment, the scene in which they would meet again. Because... would it be the same? Or would it be less special, less unique? I needn't have worried, the magic was still there. Oh man, the good one indeed.



They are separated most of the novel and you accompany them through their experiences without the other one and there was no moment in which you didn't think "This is so wrong!", despite them being more or less happy or satisfied with their lives. Strangely enough, Valentine develops a better balance than Lindsay does ever find, even though he is precisely the one that couldn't live all by himself. It's undeniable he's the one who walks the longer road to maturity and sense, whereas Lindsay sinks before he manages to float.



I admit I had moments of panic. Moments in which I thought this status quo would never shatter. Because Valentine gets a comfortable life. Because he is happy and complete, even though it's a different kind of completion. Sometimes I could really see him living like that his whole life. But it wasn't acceptable because it wasn't with Lindsay. It was imperative that the chosen one was Lindsay and no other. That was my goal and my rules and I wouldn't resign myself with less. No way I would accept any other reality. No matter how fulfilling and satisfying it was. Selfish, I know. But true.



I felt a little like the bitch when finally Lindsay and Valentine get together again. The moment when they finally meet felt like a shock, as if the author suddenly decided stretching things too long would be useless, which I appreciate, as it would have been a perfect occasion to write pages and pages and pages talking nonsense and taking advantage of the reader's love towards the characters. I was glad that Richard Rider called it a day and moved things forward. And I should be embarrassed that I felt GREAT at seeing , but I'm not. In the end, it doesn't make too much noise after all. It's so smooth and nice I felt much better than before because no way something very meaningful breaks in such a silent way with no further repercussions.

All in all, I felt this was a transition book. It's the skin you leave behind to learn to feel at ease in your new one. And it's utterly a shiny stunning skin.

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Author 69 books61.4k followers
July 10, 2012
I really REALLY should be writing....

Book II:

Far shorter.

Painful, but in different ways. The separation is necessary, but it doesn't make it easier to read.

However...

The reunion?

Wonderful.

And when Pip brings out a little plastic toy that Lindsay had given him years before?

Oh man, I got chills.

Book III, here I come.
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406 reviews1 follower
January 6, 2020
Fucking hell... it was a road to hell, literally, and then through the nine circles of hell and back. There’s no denying they deserved that... and they needed that in a way... Maybe not ”they” per se, maybe it was mostly Valentine who deserved that ... and Lindsay was collateral damage, almost innocent... almost

Am I the only one who thinks this was even better than the Stockholm Syndrome? I must be a masochist aaand it makes the first book better too. Or maybe I’m still in shock and don't make much sense 😆 What a ride! The writing is incredibly good.

Onto the next...
Profile Image for Shelley.
395 reviews558 followers
March 24, 2013
I spent the majority of this book so peeved at the entire situation. I am still reeling from the way things ended and now they face years apart...YEARS!!!

I do NOT want my boys with anybody else. It is wrong wrong wrong. I want to scratch and claw at these interlopers. I'm quite jealous and possessive of these guys and all that takes place here is all such a necessary evil, I know that , but I don't like it! NO I bloody DON'T!

The time spent apart is a chance for Pip to grow up and face the world as a responsible adult. To gain a shred of self respect and build bridges once again. There was no way this was going to be achieved staying with Lindsay the way things where.

Lindsay just about kills me when he reverts back to his old habits and seems on a mission to self destruct. Thankfully he has the strength to stop it with the help of an old friend. The relationship he has with Ellie is empty and vacant and obviously not what makes Lindsay happy, but still it seems that the only way to heal is to come full circle again, for both Lindsay and Pip. I still want to scratch her eyes out. Why can't she go find her own man, the bloody moo cow!

The only way it is ever going to work would be for it to be just like this, I accept that now, but gahhhh the getting there is torture!

A fantastic edition to this series. The writing is fantastic! Off I run to the third book.
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Profile Image for Vivian.
2,919 reviews486 followers
September 9, 2013
Heartbreak and desolation. This book is like lancing an infected wound, it's got to hurt before it can get better.

Stockholm Syndrome abandoned us in a bleak place and here, like Dante, we traverse the depths of despair before we can resurface. This is an absolute mess as Lindsey deconstructs in an orgy of sensory overload, and when that doesn't work--deprivation. Wandering aimlessly trying to find the one thing that will spare him the pain.

Meanwhile, Pip takes a similar track. Like two peas in a pod they find solace in the one place we can hide in plain sight, especially if others are willing codependents. Eventually, the ugly truth is acknowledged and things progress. Is it worse to spin in a safe circle or flail off into space?

Favorite quotes:
Or maybe it's better not to feel it at all, just let this blank non-emotion run itself out like a road that disappears so gradually you don't even know it's happening until there's grass under your tyres.


"Tu deviens responsable pour toujours de ce que tu as apprivoisé."


This book is funny, but lacks the laugh out loud humor of its predecessor. The pop cultural references are still great and such a fun little tickle. Overall, loved it. Hated it. But then, I love lots of things I hate.
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562 reviews106 followers
February 1, 2014
5 years apart... 5!!! I want Pip and Lindsay together, forever... with no one else in the middle, no best friends, no best friend's widow! Just them! How selfish am I?

So many years without talking, without seeing each other... But in that time Pip became a man, more mature, and at some time I thought that he was "cured", much less insane attitudes... until, of course, Lindsay appear again in his life, bringing something that Pip loved so much... himself!


""Do you love me?" he says softly, and Lindsay remembers the first time Valentine ever asked him that, drunk and high on no drug at all,
kissing in the car at the top of a cliff seven years ago with a back seat full of ransom money. It feels surreal and far away now. It's like somebody else's life.

"Yes."

"You could say it. You could be soppy just once in your life. You
could talk like you're in Mills and Boon. You could say 'I can't live without you' or something."

"I can live without you. I just don't want to."

"Is this gonna work, you think?"

"Won't know unless we try."

"Yeah."..."


Profile Image for Bhavya Marya.
82 reviews105 followers
June 10, 2020
This was way shorter than the first book which I think made me like it more.
It was really painful watching them lead their seperate lives in the begining after reading like 400 pages of them being together and happy.
But the reunion ? It was wonderful and painful in a different way.
This book was like picking up the pieces of a broken vase and joining them together. And just realising that they still have a chance to be together even after everything that happened in book one.

"I can live without you. I just don't want to."
Profile Image for MaDoReader.
1,357 reviews168 followers
February 19, 2018
4,5 Éste me ha roto el corazón.

Segundo episodio de mi glorioso BR con Olizia, con éste hemos sufrido, ¿eh, compañera?

Cuando leí la sinopsis, creía que sabía donde me metía, pero no, chapeau Sr. Rider, no sólo ha conseguido que mi interés no decaiga, si no que ha aumentado exponencialmente conforme iba avanzando.

La parte Olly/Valentín me ha matado, el viaje al infierno de Lindsay me ha desesperado, me he quedado sin uñas, sin pelo en la cabeza que arrancar en mi desesperación, porque leer ciertas partes ha sido desgarrador, pero no por nada, el tono es similar, fresco, divertido, ha sido por lo que implican ciertas cosas para Valentín y Lindsay:

Pues eso, que me ha gustado, y casi más que el primero, por poner una pega y es la media estrella que se le cae, es la facilidad con que , ahí hacía falta más carne en el asador.

Acepto donativos de cabello para injerto, gracias.
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648 reviews140 followers
August 27, 2016
This is the second part of the Stockholm Syndrome series and it just keeps on getting better and better. Valentine and Lindsey are so perfect for each other, I can't get enough!
Profile Image for Maze the Amateur Reader.
92 reviews26 followers
March 24, 2021
"You could say it. You could be soppy just once in your life. You could talk like you're in Mills and Boon. You could say 'I can't live without you' or something."
"I can live without you. I just don't want to."


This is far more shorter than book 1 so it may not have the intensity of the previous book, but it was easier to read despite the LONG separation between Pip and Lindsay. The first half was slow but necessary for the character development. It was tough reading Lindsay reverts back into his old habits but I really enjoyed reading his slightly romantic side and Pip's character development. The only thing I didn't like about this was both MC slept around when they were seperated, although it was realistic, I just dont like my MCs sleeping around with anybody else. This was an exeptional installment, can't wait to read the next one.
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1,407 reviews2 followers
December 22, 2013
It was so tough seeing Lindsay and Pip be apart for so long, but I think they both needed to realise what they truly wanted in their lives. Now neither of them will take the other for granted.

I am glad that Pip made things clear... that some things had to change first. And that some things needed to stay exactly as they were.

Amazing continuation of this trilogy. I can't wait to see where the next book takes them.
Profile Image for Karen Wellsbury.
820 reviews42 followers
January 3, 2018
I wasn't sure how this would work, how was RR going to make these guys grow up, and yet still retain their odd beauty . I shouldn't have worried, what I really liked about this was that they both realised they could be happy. Now it's a decision on who to share that with.
Onto book 3...
Profile Image for Fangtasia.
565 reviews45 followers
August 13, 2012
After the horrible, but necessary, ending in Stockholm Syndrome, this one is the perfect follow-up. A masterful example of character development, it is in 17 Black and 29 Red that we actually get to know the people in the story. And we do so by seeing them grow and adapt to what life throws at them, we understand each character by how they handle their individual circumstances. Thankfully, all this book does is confirm how very much we love Lindsay and Pip, together and apart, with all their flaws and imperfections. How complete the story is made by each of the people in it. Dory is a stroke of genius!

This interlude was absolutely necessary to the plot, too, because they could not continue their relationship as they were. They needed to become different people, they needed to get the "what-if's?" out of their systems. Again, very well handled by the author. It all happens because it has to and I didn't feel it was a plot-lengthening device, or that anybody was actually trying to keep them from each other.

Another thing, the break between book 1 and 2 is perfectly natural, not an effort to increase profit by making the reader buy more books. I've already finished the third book, No Beginning, No End, *grin*, and this one truly belongs on its own, even though it's not actually a stand-alone. Does that make sense? Heh, I hope so, because it does to me.

Anyway, I recommend you buy this one right along with the first and third. This is not a series to be read with any breaks between books. I would have had a conniption fit if I'd not had all the books to read one right after the other.
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81 reviews57 followers
September 8, 2016
4.25 Stars

Loved the second book too

This is shorter than the first one, even if in the first book the history takes place between 2007 and 2010, and this one begins immediatly after the first one until 2014, .


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"Go slow. Don't stop. So it goes forever and nothing goes wrong again"
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276 reviews
June 22, 2017
Me gusta mucho cómo escribe el Richal, esto se lee sólo. En esta entrega vemos como los personajes evolucionan y, quizá en consonancia con la madurez de Valentine, la cosa ya no es tan WTF como en la entrega anterior. De todas formas, es todo igual de fresco y a flor de piel.
Profile Image for Angela Bee Bee.
744 reviews135 followers
November 10, 2013
Really good, better than the first. Still minus one star for the bizarre writing style, too many kids, too long a separation, and a too quick reunion.


"How can people walk on the moon and know how to clone animals but still have to go through all this writhing screaming uncivilised ordeal?"

"imagine being married to that, he'd only run off with fucking fucking Zac Efron and steal half my money."

"As if I want to sleep with Supermum anyway. It's like waving a pencil in a cave."

"Stars and art and fashion and music and creepy horrible monsters that'll eat my brain from the inside if I don't trap them on canvas before they get their gnashers in. That's what it's like living in my head, every day. It never ends."

"You said if I told you to come back you would. I'm telling you now."
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979 reviews7 followers
February 23, 2019
I put this one off for a while because I knew they weren't together for most of the story and honestly the first one did drag a little. But I saw this one was only 164 pages compared to 395 of the first book, so I figured I could get it over and done with in a day and I did.

This book wasn't bad, but it wasn't good. If it wasn't for the fact this book sits in the middle of two very good books I wouldn't have enjoyed it hardly at all. These two don't even see each other until 60% or 4 years after seperating and then they don't get together officially until 90%. Lucky it was a short book so that all felt quite quick.

Look, these characters are fantastic, I love them!!!! Seriously cannot wait for the third book!! but this story was not what I'd call enjoyable, more necsecary.
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1,355 reviews114 followers
February 4, 2014
The main reason why I dropped the rating on the second installment in the series is because I felt Valentine and Lindsay were selfish. Not only did they hurt themselves but they also hurt those around them or the ones they chose to get involved with. And yes, I also dropped the rating because in my mind they were still a couple and I viewed their actions as cheating. I'm not saying it needs to make sense, that's just how I felt. So 3 stars.



Yes, Lindsay and Valentine's relationship doesn't make sense. It's abusive, violent, depraved and filled with dark sexual desire. And yet, they are incomplete when apart. It might be that their time spent together ruined them for anyone else... they pushed their own boundaries and cannot find comfort trying it with another. Or it might be that Valentine's brand of insanity, degradation, co-dependent behaviour is best matched with Lindsay's and vice versa.

I guess I'll have to see if the third books answers that question.
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2,800 reviews28 followers
April 4, 2016
I don't know how to rate this. It was good. Really good. Just nothing like I was expecting.

Going from the first book, I was expecting



and maybe a little



But what I got was



Slow Burn.

There was very little of together time between Pip and Lindsay, but a lot of pining away for each other.

Now, if you haven't read book 1, you don't understand why I got riled up at the word ACCIDENT!

ACCIDENT!?
ACCIDENT!?
ACCIDENT!?



But I love Pip and Lindsay, and I'm glad they worked on themselves some, before finding each other again. Things got bad...but they are perfect for each other.

But I can't wait to get back to their normal crazy..

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554 reviews20 followers
November 2, 2013
Main Characters: Lindsay Brown & Phillip (Pip) Valentine
Key Themes: Self –Abuse, Men with Children
Location: South America, Canada & UK

Book 2 of the Stockholm Syndrome series.

Thankfully, this book is much shorter and more succinct than the first one!

READ Stockholm Syndrome (Stockholm Syndrome, #1) by Richard Rider FIRST, otherwise you totally won’t get this book!

Having split up in Stockholm Syndrome, the MCs spend much of this story apart, licking their wounds, growing up, getting into unhealthy relationships, healing, reconciling with friends and family, and missing each other.

When they eventually find each other again, both are subdued versions of their former selves, and their new relationship is sweet, awkward and different....as it should be.

I really enjoyed this story!
Profile Image for Julia.
408 reviews10 followers
February 1, 2014
This series continues to captivate me. I love the writing, storytelling and dialogue. I find it to be so very well thought out. Book one painted a raw picture of the unhealthiness of Pip and Lindsay's relationship. It was completely devastating one moment and shockingly beautiful the next. Book Two deals with the fall out for everyone. It is about blame, denial and avoidance. It's about dirty band-aids used to cover gaping wounds. It's about coping, truth, and growth. One thing remained the same for me though, I'm still not sure I like Lindsay.
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Author 21 books215 followers
June 20, 2011
I love Richard Rider's writing style. The personalities of the two main characters jump off the page and smash you in the gob. It flows, it's funny. I love Valentine.

What the heck is it with Lindsay? Is he "gay for you?" Because he spends this book having it off with women. Very strange.

Valentine's family life with Olly is well written and enjoyable. The little sister is adorable.

I'm glad the couple are back together in book 3.
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