Comments on Books with Ratings from 40,000 - 50,000 - page 1

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message 1: by Lobstergirl (new)
Dec 15, 2019 06:57PM

Lobstergirl Removed for ratings:

Kingdom Come
Every Heart a Doorway
Spinning Silver
The Talented Mr. Ripley
Three Men in a Boat


Also removed two books with several hundred thousand ratings so PLEASE check twice to make sure your book has the right number of ratings to be on THIS LIST.


message 3: by Lobstergirl (new)
Feb 03, 2020 03:09PM

Lobstergirl Removed for ratings:

The Collector


message 4: by Charlotte Igelkott (new)
May 24, 2020 01:32AM

Charlotte Igelkott I've been thinking about the maintenance of these lists. (The ones with all books, less than 80000 ratings.)
At first I assumed we could just remove the books with too many ratings from each list and leave a comment about it, but now I'm not so sure anymore. Especially on the higher lists where someone has clearly made an effort to fill them with as many suitable books as possible, I think it could be argued that they are an extension of the pre-existing series (80000 ratings and above) and that we're not allowed to remove anything without putting it on the next list.
The result is, as we can all see, that some of the lower lists are full of books that ought to be removed but aren't because nobody is willing/able to both remove them from that list and vote for them on the next.
I'd be perfectly happy to undertake the removing part (once in a while, at least) but am more and more reluctant to do pure duty voting/maintenance voting/whatever you call it the lower we go on these lists, and even more reluctant to risk my librarian status.
So - any ideas about what to do about this mess? Am I just overthinking this?


message 5: by Lobstergirl (new)
May 24, 2020 02:20AM

Lobstergirl What's the risk to librarian status? I don't understand.

There's no obligation to vote books onto the next list. When someone removes a book, they link to it in a comment - that enables anyone who wants to to vote it onto the next list.

I remove books from various lists and I have never considered myself obligated to vote them onto the next list. I only do so if I voted them onto the list I'm removing them from.


message 6: by Charlotte Igelkott (new)
May 24, 2020 03:01AM

Charlotte Igelkott It's this sentence from the description on the higher lists that bothers me: Helpful Librarians - if you help maintain this and other similar lists - please don't remove books from one of these lists for too many ratings unless you are willing to put it on the next list.

If this list is considered a "similar list" (since they are grouped together and very much alike) it might be considered against the list instructions to remove the books and not add them to the next list.
But I don't know if it works that way, or if the instruction would have to be present on the specific list I'm removing books from for it to hold any power, even if they are closely linked? Or for that matter, if such an instruction is always just an unenforceable rule of politeness?


message 7: by Emrys (last edited May 26, 2020 04:34PM) (new)
May 26, 2020 03:11PM

Emrys Charlotte Igelkott wrote: "It's this sentence from the description on the higher lists that bothers me: Helpful Librarians - if you help maintain this and other similar lists - please don't remove books from one of these lis..."

Nothing will really be “lost” following Lobstergirl's suggestion.


message 9: by Lobstergirl (new)
May 26, 2020 06:00PM

Lobstergirl Charlotte Igelkott wrote: "It's this sentence from the description on the higher lists that bothers me: Helpful Librarians - if you help maintain this and other similar lists - please don't remove books from one of these lis..."

That sentence came from Mitchell (one of the extremely helpful librarians who helps maintain these lists). It doesn't come from Goodreads; it's not a GR rule. There is no risk to librarian status if you remove a book which no longer fits the list parameters, and don't vote it onto the next list.

Maybe in an ideal world we all would vote all the removed books onto the next list; however, given that we each only get 100 votes per list, this is not feasible at least for me.

Given the small number of librarians who perform the hard work of keeping the lists updated and linking to the removed books in the comments (which is extremely time-consuming and therefore not that many people apparently are willing to do it), I think such librarians should not feel too bad about removing books and then failing to vote them onto the next list.

Basically what I'm saying is, it's more important for each list to be accurate and up-to-date (each book on it fitting the list parameters), than it is for every single book to move from one list to the next.

Opinions may differ, of course.


message 10: by Charlotte Igelkott (new)
May 27, 2020 12:51PM

Charlotte Igelkott Lobstergirl wrote: "Charlotte Igelkott wrote: "It's this sentence from the description on the higher lists that bothers me: Helpful Librarians - if you help maintain this and other similar lists - please don't remove ..."

You're probably right, and now I feel a little silly for letting my anxieties run away with me like that. Thank you.


message 11: by Charlotte Igelkott (new)
May 29, 2020 11:10AM

Charlotte Igelkott Removed for having more than 50000 ratings:
Giovanni’s Room
The Railway Children
The Everything Store: Jeff Bezos and the Age of Amazon
A Lesson Before Dying
Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife
Secrets of a Summer Night
The Warmth of Other Suns: The Epic Story of America's Great Migration
The High King
The Physick Book of Deliverance Dane
The Complete Works
Parable of the Sower
The Forgotten
The Rithmatist
The Gods Themselves
A Simple Favor
Silver Shadows
The Atlantis Complex
Savor the Moment
Till We Have Faces
The Women in the Castle
Carpe Jugulum
Caught
Troublemaker: Surviving Hollywood and Scientology
Alone
All Your Perfects
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight
Momo
Washington: A Life
Nemesis Games
Faeries
An Absolutely Remarkable Thing
Captive Prince
Queen of Air and Darkness
Jesus Calling: Enjoying Peace in His Presence
Make Your Bed: Little Things That Can Change Your Life...And Maybe the World
Ariel
After We Fell
The Late Show
The Drop
El Deafo
The Sellout
The Hard Thing About Hard Things: Building a Business When There Are No Easy Answers
The Return of Sherlock Holmes
Nothing to Lose
Love Does: Discover a Secretly Incredible Life in an Ordinary World
Vicious
Blue Ocean Strategy: How to Create Uncontested Market Space and Make the Competition Irrelevant
The Fix
The Gambler
The Viscount Who Loved Me
Magic Hour
Renegades
The Heart Goes Last
Leah on the Offbeat
Rising Strong
Stalking Jack the Ripper
Stumbling on Happiness
Feed
هيبتا


message 12: by Charlotte Igelkott (new)
May 29, 2020 11:12AM

Charlotte Igelkott Emrys wrote: "Removed for having too many ratings:
(50k to 60k):
All Systems Red
Tales from a Not-So-Fabulous Life
Skulduggery Pleasant
The Hazel Wood..."

Thank you! I've done the rest of the list now.


message 13: by Mitchell (new)
Jun 03, 2020 08:05AM

Mitchell Friedman Lobstergirl wrote: "Charlotte Igelkott wrote: "It's this sentence from the description on the higher lists that bothers me: Helpful Librarians - if you help maintain this and other similar lists - please don't remove ..."

Just want to put in my agreement with this response. The lists 80,000 and above and my topic lists that I created are intended to be comprehensive. It's why the message about not deleting books without moving them. And why I'm often begging for help since with only 100 votes its impossible to do this kind of maintenance alone - or lists have to be split - or lists can't be comprehensive.

The lower lists created by Lobstergirl have never been comprehensive. The much lower lists were created a lot earlier than the higher level lists and always included remove messages - so if someone wanted to add them from those lists, they could.


message 14: by Mitchell (new)
Jun 03, 2020 08:08AM

Mitchell Friedman There are no goodreads rules on ownership of lists. There are list creators. And there are common practice. There are list owners who get irate because anyone changed "their" list description at all. I do and have changed lists that I didn't create and I've only been called on it once. But primarily I add links to other lists and tags. I've had discussion on lists to try to get consensus to make a list more specific and have added at least wishy-washy advice in a list description after consensus was reached.


message 15: by Mitchell (new)
Jun 03, 2020 08:13AM

Mitchell Friedman I wish there was a group in which listopia lists was an active topic.

There is https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/168374-listopia

But it never had much discussion.

There is no risk to librarian status if you remove a book which no longer fits the list parameters, and don't vote it onto the next list. But if you were to do that or otherwise violate the list description, you will make the list description writer unhappy. And perhaps make the previous voters on the list unhappy as well. It is an imperfect world.


message 16: by Mitchell (last edited Jun 03, 2020 08:16AM) (new)
Jun 03, 2020 08:15AM

Mitchell Friedman Charlotte Igelkott wrote: "It's this sentence from the description on the higher lists that bothers me: Helpful Librarians - if you help maintain this and other similar lists - please don't remove books from one of these lis..."

As the writer of the text being asked about, I will tell you that it is exactly as you say, such an instruction is always just an unenforceable rule of politeness.


message 17: by Emrys (new)
Jun 03, 2020 10:25AM

Emrys I've gone through all the books in the Comments section here, and added the 96 qualifying books onto the 50,000 - 60,000 list, and The Stone Sky to the 60,000 - 70,000 list.

Spinning Silver was already on the 60,000 - 70,000 list, and the following were already on the 50,000 - 60,000 list@
The Talented Mr. Ripley
Three Men in a Boat
Lock In
I, Claudius
Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress
First Test
Stories of Your Life and Others
Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle
The Collector
Saga, Vol. 5
Eugene Onegin
Angle of Repose
Harry the Dirty Dog
Little Men
The Heart Goes Last
Feed

Hopefully I've not missed anything.


message 18: by Charlotte Igelkott (new)
Jun 03, 2020 12:11PM

Charlotte Igelkott Mitchell wrote: "Charlotte Igelkott wrote: "It's this sentence from the description on the higher lists that bothers me: Helpful Librarians - if you help maintain this and other similar lists - please don't remove ..."

Thank you, Mitchell!

Just to be absolutely clear, where there is a clear instruction on the list itself I always try to follow it, enforceable or not. I want to help and contribute, not run berserk where my interference is unwelcome (can't promise I'll always under all circumstances be on the right side of that line, but I try).

I was trying to write something more about how rules are (or aren't) formed and how to know how wide their scope is, but can't right now (too tired, wrong language). Perhaps it's all just a little too vague to put into words. Either way, I'm very grateful to all of you for the answers you have given me, they've been very helpful.
And I agree that that Listopia group could be very useful!


message 19: by Lobstergirl (new)
Jun 03, 2020 10:23PM

Lobstergirl To simplify why don't we suggest that: on Mitchell's lists which he created, abide by his rule. On the lists that I created, I don't ask that people vote onto the next list.


message 20: by Charlotte Igelkott (new)
Jun 04, 2020 07:45AM

Charlotte Igelkott Lobstergirl wrote: "To simplify why don't we suggest that: on Mitchell's lists which he created, abide by his rule. On the lists that I created, I don't ask that people vote onto the next list."

Perfectly reasonable, and those are the rules I'm going to follow until I'm told otherwise.


message 44: by Charlotte Igelkott (new)
Jun 26, 2021 09:32AM

Charlotte Igelkott Removed for having too many ratings:
Endymion
Acceptance
Skeleton Key
The Queen's Gambit


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