Pakistani Readers discussion

Happy New Year Everyone! :) May you have a wonderful year ahead.

Crime and Punishment is the BOTM for Jan, you can discuss it right here. Just remember to mark spoilers (if any) with html spoiler tags. Looking forward to discussions.


Happy Reading! :)

You can download book from here

Why is every character in this book like, 'Yo dawg, heard you like stories so here I put a story in your story so you read a story while you read the story?'.

Genio wrote: "Why is every character in this book like, 'Yo dawg, heard you like stories so here I put a story in your story so you read a story while you read the story?'."

I have to start after my exams... and btw its a book of 545 pages...

@Amna :)

Sounds real cheerful.

Sara wrote: "Sounds real cheerful."

You reading as well?? :D

After a bit of search I have come to this conclusion that Crime and Punishment translated by Oliver Ready is the best one, otherwise one can go for Vintage classic editions. I am looking for specific translation, so if anyone comes up with the specified translation please tell me.

Muhammad wrote: "After a bit of search I have come to this conclusion that Crime and Punishment translated by Oliver Ready is the best one, otherwise one can go for Vintage classic editions. I am looking for specif..."

what do you mean? :P

English version Crime and Punishment just like all of other Dostoevsky's works are the translations from Russian. It is near impossible to perfectly replicate complex literary works in other languages, many things get lost or modified. There are different translations available; one of the most famous and recommended version is by Pevear and Volokhonsky; of all the translators of Dostoevsky Volokhonsky is the only native Russian.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...

I read this version and I'd recommend reading it but it is little tough to read partially because of the relatively old english words.

I have also read good reviews about the Oliver Ready's version which is a modern translation and relatively easy to read. May'be this time I'll read Readys' version.

So try to go for either P&V's version or Ready's version.

Do avoid reading Garnett's translated version; if you come by a copy that doesn't mention any translator it is likely to be by Garnett. Edit: It is an old translation done by some anonymous volunteers that should be avoided. Garnett version though good translation isn't as good as that of P&V and Ready as it is more of a literal translation and in some places doesn't stay true to the original content and it's meaning. So do check the translator before you read this book.

If you are interested in reading more about these translation, here are few articles to read.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/200...

http://www.nyjournalofbooks.com/book-...

Disclaimer: Articles might contain some spoilers

ok, I am starting book real soon, and The first link is of Garnett's version,
You can get book by Volokhonsky and Pevear by clicking here or here

Note: I guess Dropbox is removing books due to copyright or idk, if there is problem, PM me your email address.

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I might be a bit late guys but I am joining in! its been a while since I read Crime and Punishment and its always a pleasure to re-read a classic :D

Where has everybody gone O_o?

Hey Aasia :)
I have started book today. What about you??

I have already started :D

Saad wrote: "How's the book? Any suggestions ?"

The book is great! It deals with some truly deep soul searching questions. If you are like me you would probably read the story and think about the choices that the characters made and also what would you have done different if you were in their shoes? and this is just one aspect of it. This book deserves an endless praise.

So mein hi discussion start karti hon :D

What is crime according to you guys? Describe in your own words?

"In Russian Language the word for crime literally means over-stepping"

Stumbled onto this thread just now. Currently reading Lolita. But I will start Crime and Punishment in a week or so.

Crime - I think crime is anything that is done against rules and regulations. Not fulfilling your responsibilities is also crime. So crime means something that is forbidden that you should avoid doing...

Aakash wrote: "Crime - I think crime is anything that is done against rules and regulations. Not fulfilling your responsibilities is also crime. So crime means something that is forbidden that you should avoid do..."

I think raskolnikov comitted a crime not merely in the sense that he broke a set of rules and regulations, but that the act itself was a crime against morality. So I think that it was a crime even if we say that breaking rules is not a crime. That gives some depth to the definition of crime, and adds another dimension to the meaning of criminality.

This is particularly true later on, when Raskolnikov compared himself to Napoleon. I think Napoleon is different from Raskolnikov in that society is willing to ignore the "breaking rules and regulations" facet of his crime. This proves that society sets its rules and regulations not for the sake of being moral, but for the sake of being useful to the society.

I am about to finish the first part..

Yea that's right about society and all I was talking about general definition of crime.

Read it some time ago. Language is beautiful. Its always hard to connect with characters who are morally so negative, but yes definitely worth reading.

Aasia wrote: "So mein hi discussion start karti hon :D

What is crime according to you guys? Describe in your own words?

"In Russian Language the word for crime literally means over-stepping""

A crime is an action that goes against the law of the society and i think crime could have a subjective nature depending upon the kind of society you live in and does not have to be moral or immoral as morality could also be subjective. And Raskolnikov saw through it.