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message 1: by StarMan (last edited Jan 03, 2017 05:40PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

StarMan (thestarman) | 1898 comments Below are the first 5 of our discussion questions about The Girl with All the Gifts (TGWATG). Feel free to answer 1 or more questions.

Note: You can read some early comments about the book in the original BOTM thread at https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...



1) Who was your favorite character, and why? Did you have a least favorite character?

2) Challenge:   Can you summarize or describe the plot (or experience) of TGWATG in 5 or fewer words, without using any words that start with the letter "Z"?

3) How did you like the book overall? What rating would you give it out of 5?

4) How would you compare TGWATG to other "zombie" stories that you may have read? (Hint: I Am Legend is a common comparison)

5) Do you have a favorite chapter, scene, or quote from TGWATG?

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I'll post a few more questions -- and a surprise! -- in a week or so, when everyone's had a chance to chime in on the above.


Katy Mann | 57 comments StarMan wrote: "Below are the first 5 of our discussion questions about The Girl with All the Gifts (TGWATG). Feel free to answer 1 or more questions.

Note: You can read some early comments about ..."


Don't know how I missed that this was our next book. I found it very original. Summary: "Altered child restructures world order." Hmm, it's a start.


Kelsey I have to say that even though I loved Melanie, Miss Justineau was my favorite character. She was tough and smart, but also caring, and I feel like in a lot of feminist works, people forget that women can be strong, and they can care deeply for something. Just because a woman can shoot a gun doesn't make her a strong character. Her feelings and her relationships with others do, as well.

I love how Katy summarized the plot in five words. She really captured it. If I had a go at it, I'd say something like, "afflicted world dismantled, then rebuilt".

I did like the book a lot, which honestly, I wasn't expecting. I don't like zombies, and have only ever seen one "zombie" movie, which was Quarantine. I didn't like that at all, and have never understood the appeal of zombies. This, however, was a completely refreshing take on the zombie narrative that we've all come to know, and I enjoyed it a lot.

I can't give a comparison, because I haven't ever read another zombie story, but compared to the one and only zombie movie I've seen, this was completely different, and for that, I'm grateful. For those of you who have seen 28 Days Later, I'm wondering if there could also be another comparison drawn?

The one line that stuck out to me the most was, “Melanie finds this interesting in spite of herself — that you can use words to hide things, or not to touch them, or to pretend that they're something different than they are.” It's so true. How many times have we seen hate speech and fear mongering couched in language? How many times have we ourselves phrased things differently, especially when we're sad or hurting, to make it seem better?

But also, I'm just a huge English/writing/linguistic nerd, so any quotes like that will always stick out to me :p


Katy Mann | 57 comments Kelsey wrote: "I have to say that even though I loved Melanie, Miss Justineau was my favorite character. She was tough and smart, but also caring, and I feel like in a lot of feminist works, people forget that wo..."

I was a Miss Justineau fan as well.

If you haven't read another zombie story, try Warm Bodies. I thought it had original characters and concepts.

I haven't read many zombie novels. I think World War Z, I Am Legend, Station Eleven, and Warm Bodies are the ones I can recall. After reading those, I picked up a few others, and they were more standard Man vs. Zombie fare. Those four stood out for me. And each are very different, and different from the Girl With All The Gifts, so it's hard to compare.

I think the Melanie is very different from the standard zombie, as in most of the standard zombie stories, we don't really get the zombie POV. What we usually watch is humans trying to survive an apocalypse.


message 5: by StarMan (last edited Jan 04, 2017 03:49PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

StarMan (thestarman) | 1898 comments Great 5-words-or-fewer summaries, Kelsey and Katy!

I liked that quote, Kelsey ("“Melanie finds this interesting in spite of herself — that you can use words to hide things, or not to touch them, or to pretend that they're something different than they are.”).

Melanie thinks/says some really interesting things in the book. She was definitely my favorite character, but it was mostly the interplay between her and Miss Justineau -- and to a lesser degree the other folks trying to survive -- that made Melanie come alive (so to speak).

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I saw where a reviewer on another site summed up TGWATG as "A gory love story."

I might say:

"Gory love story. That ending!"

"Zombie Hungry Pandora changes everything" <-- Kelsey caught me on the z-word!

"Run, clever girl. Remember us." [with thanks to Clara from Dr. Who]

"Save humanity... or eat it?"

In 2 words:
"Unlikely hero(ine)"
"Heartfelt horror"
"Unforgettable undead"

The movie version has a 7-word tagline:
"Our Greatest threat is our only hope."

I'll share some favorite parts/lines later ;)


message 6: by Erin (last edited Jan 04, 2017 02:01PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erin | 912 comments Mod
I'd have to say my favorite character was Parks. Though not completely senseless, Miss Justineau's judgement was often clouded by her desire to follow her heart. Contrarily, Caldwell was almost heartless with her intense drive to study the "hungries" and find a way to save humanity. I felt like Parks was a good mix. He had good sense, but also had a good heart.

My summary would be... Humanity Redirected

Overall, though certain elements were just too strange for my taste, I did enjoy the book and rated it 4 stars. The fact that the pathogen in the story was based on an actual pathogen made it easier to digest the ridiculousness of the fruiting bodies.

And I also have not read many zombie novels. In fact, I don't think I've read a single one, though I Am Legend is on my TBR list. I've read quite a few post-apocalyptic/dystopian books, but none of them have dealt with zombies...

Unless one considers the "abbies" of the Wayward Pines books to be zombies, though I did not think of them that way when reading the series. But I did note a few similarities between TGWATG and that series. At the start of TGWATG, when we first encountered the term "hungries" and learned, in essence, what they were, I assimilated them to the "abbies." The situation with the military base and the need to keep the hungries at bay was also similar to Wayward Pines. And... if you plan to read Pines, don't read the spoiler, but (view spoiler)


Kelsey I actually never knew that Station Eleven was a zombie book... it's been on my TBR list for some time! That's so interesting. I remember people really like Warm Bodies. Maybe I'll check that out as well.

StarMan: I love "Zombie Pandora changes everything"! But wasn't it your challenge to not use the z word? :p

Erin, I agree. I liked Parks as well. At first, I didn't care for him. To me, he was that cut out copy of a soldier, but as the novel went on, and he became more human, so to speak, I did start to like him a lot. That ending! I was so sad.


StarMan (thestarman) | 1898 comments Kelsey said: StarMan: I love "Zombie Pandora changes everything"! But wasn't it your challenge to not use the z word? :p


Ooops, busted by Kelsey! But it was one of 3 short summaries I offered...

but you're still very right, so I'll say:

"Hungry Pandora changes everything!"


Katy Mann | 57 comments Kelsey wrote: "I actually never knew that Station Eleven was a zombie book... it's been on my TBR list for some time! That's so interesting. I remember people really like Warm Bodies. Maybe I'll check that out as..."

Station Eleven has been marketed as a genre/literary book. I think they might avoid references to the z word.


message 10: by StarMan (last edited Jan 06, 2017 06:26PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

StarMan (thestarman) | 1898 comments 2 more discussion questions:


6) What did you think of how TGWATG ended?
(Were you surprised or disappointed? Was it a fitting ending?)


7) Did your opinion or like/dislike of any character(s) change by the end of the story?


Kelsey I think it was a fitting ending, because it was the type of ending that I think has become almost expected, used as a trope a lot, but it's usually not done very well (in my opinion), so by having the ending work as well as it did, I enjoyed it a lot.

I figured that one of the group would be infected, but I thought it was going to be Caldwell. I thought Parks was actually a better choice, because it really came full circle for me, and I think paired with his acceptance and choice, it stayed within character for him, even though his character was changing.

As for what Melanie did, that I wasn't expecting at all! But I agree with the decision, in all honesty. I mean, there was only so much one could do. The group didn't know if anyone else was even alive (besides the junkers) and, if there was a few people, scattered here and there, what would they have been able to do anyway? There were too many infected. You couldn't all kill them, and try to procreate in the process. So what Melanie did made sense. Honestly, I might have done the same thing, if I was like Melanie!

I wouldn't say any of my opinions changed, except for Parks. I could understand Caldwell and her wanting to figure out everything. I'm extremely curious as well, but to me, it was like she had almost no humanity left in her. I couldn't bring myself to ever like her.

In the beginning, I didn't like Parks at all. I thought he was too brash and uncaring, but as the story started to unfold, and he put more faith in Melanie, I began to like him. I don't know if anyone here has seen Stranger Things, but I liken him to the character of Hopper. In the beginning, they aren't easy to like. They're rough and crude, but as the story develops, and you learn more about the characters, you can't help but to start and like them!

As for Gallagher, I didn't have strong feelings about him at all. I didn't hate him, but I didn't particularly like him. I actually felt kind of bad for him. I suppose pity is better than indifference?

I always loved Justineau and Melanie. They were definitely my favorites, and I don't think I ever got annoyed or mad at their actions!


message 12: by Erin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erin | 912 comments Mod
Though I didn't like him immediately (he treated Melanie pretty terribly at the very beginning), my opinion of Parks changed fairly early on in the story. I liked that he was rational. I appreciate rationality. There's far too much stupidity in the world...

I actually didn't particularly like or dislike Justineau. She cared for Melanie, but there were quite a few times I wanted to slap her, to tell her to stop being an idiot and really consider the situation they were facing. I mean, it was noble to keep Melanie's best interests in mind, but consider the well-being of the others in your group too (be rational)!

I also didn't particularly like or dislike Gallagher (though I did think he was an idiot when he set out on his own...)

I liked Melanie throughout. My opinion of her never really changed.

And, at one point, I could almost relate to Caldwell and her quest for answers, but she definitely went off the deep end. As Kelsey pointed out, Caldwell had almost no humanity in her. Her sole focus was to study the hungries and find answers, everything else be damned. She was pretty unlikable throughout.

I did think the ending was fitting. I was sad about Parks' fate, but considering the direction things were going, what did he have to live for? It definitely did not disappoint.


message 13: by StarMan (last edited Jan 09, 2017 04:55AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

StarMan (thestarman) | 1898 comments 5) Do you have a favorite chapter, scene, or quote from TGWATG?

Most of my favorite parts were near the middle of the book, where the dynamic between Melanie and other others starts changing. Here are 4 parts I liked:

1. Chapter 36 makes me feel so sad for little Melanie, who has never even been allowed to dress like a normal person. And it also shows how determined she is to be helpful, and not hurt anyone:

(view spoiler)

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2. The final line of Chapter 42 made smile. Go, Melanie! :

(view spoiler)

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3. Chapter 43: Melanie finally is set free, to help... in her new clothes. For the first time, the others are almost treating Melanie like a normal little girl... but not because they want to, yet. They really have no other choice. But Melanie -- in spite of what she is -- is terrified of the other hungries... and she doesn't want anyone to know. She wants to be brave:

(view spoiler)

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4. Chapter 46: Miss J and Melanie finally talk about the proverbial elephant monster in the room:

(view spoiler)


StarMan (thestarman) | 1898 comments The Girl with All the Gifts by M.R. Carey

Q: Does anyone want MORE discussion questions for The Girl with All the Gifts?

If so, I have a few more questions I can post. If not, no problem!

THANK YOU to everyone who read this book with us in December, and for all your comments. I hope you enjoyed the book, or at least parts of it. It was probably my favorite fictional read in 2016. I thought it was quite interesting, sometimes moving, and unforgettable.

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And now, I give you the surprise I mentioned a while back...

Drum roll....

(view spoiler)


message 15: by Erin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erin | 912 comments Mod
Your surprise was pretty interesting, but (view spoiler)


Kelsey While I loved reading the deleted chapter, I also think he made the right decision, basically. I'll say that I'm thrilled I got to know how it all concludes (that was a main point I brought up in my review, about not knowing), and I loved how it came full circle, Justineau now essentially being held just like Melanie was in the beginning, but I agree with Erin. Some of the best books I've read don't paint out the entire picture for you. They keep you guessing and theorizing, and I'm glad that that's what Carey ultimately decided to go with.

However, if I were Carey, I probably would have wrapped it up a little better. I felt the ending was too abrupt. I wouldn't want the deleted chapter in there, but I thought the ending could have been done a little better, so that it didn't leave you with gaping questions. I thought the book was so great at explaining things, and then at the end, there are so many little pedantic questions that don't get answered.

So, to sum up, I'm happy he did delete that chapter (it would have been a too pretty and concise ending), but I wish the ending would have been a little different!


message 17: by StarMan (last edited Jan 10, 2017 10:39AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

StarMan (thestarman) | 1898 comments I prefer the book the way it was published, without the extra final chapter/epilogue.

TGWATG ended on a sobering and uncertain note, but one with some hope for the future. I don't mind some unanswered questions, as long as the journey and/or the character arcs have made sufficient progress.

The ending of the actual published book also leaves the possibility for a sequel that would pick up where TGWATG ends (or somewhere futher in the future), if Carey ever wanted to write one.

If the published book had included the extra chapter it would mostly have negated any need/possibility for a near-future sequel, since the deleted chatper sums up what happened over the next several years.

I did like seeing the deleted chapter, if to just see the author's thought processes as he worked through different ways to end the book. And I did like the final few lines of the deleted ending.

Sometimes the hardest part of ending a good story is simply knowing when and how to stop.

How much do you leave open?
How much detail is needed?
How much closure does your particular story (or your readers) deserve?

All good questions for the writer :)


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