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Silkwing Antagonist

I haven't read Book 15 but i think that maybe in an upcoming arc, there will be some evil Silkwing or even a hybrid. It could be an animus or just a normal dragon. They might reak havoc and cause a cool adventure to play out. They don't have their queen so it might cause someone to rise up and try to take over.

Third Continent

This actually isn't mine. I heard this somewhere but wanted to put thought into it. Pyrrhia and Pantala both take 2/3's of the world right? Well there's still space for another continent and more tribes. I'd like to think that these dragons would be something like Spiderwings and be wingless and instead glide around and have extra legs.

The Chosen

Some entity will eventually come out of hiding, the supposed "Creator" of all dragons. They would obviously be the size of a f*cking mountain. They could threaten to "start over" if every dragon didn't behave as planned.

Hey guys, I think the 15th book is going to be from Sky’s perspective!

Here is why:
The list of the types of dragons as main characters:

Arc 1: MudWing, SeaWing, RainWing, NighWing, SandWing (I know, part NightWing, but looks more SandWingy))
Arc 2: NighWing, IceWing, SkyWing, SeaWing, SandWing
Arc 3: SilkWing, HiveWing, LeafWing, IceWing, ???

See: no tribe is repeated twice within the same arc, and RainWing, MudWing, and SkyWing are the only ones left to pick from. We don’t have a RainWing VERY important in the plot, which only leaves Crystal’s boyfriend and Sky. As (hopefully) Sky and Peril are going to meet in the 3rd arc, then it would make sense for it to be from Sky’s perspective.

Also, prediction for 4th arc (if there is going to be one): SilkWing, HiveWing, LeafWing, RainWing, and SkyWing if MudWing is chosen and MudWing if SkyWing is chosen. (Not in that order probably)

I predict that Mothsight will be with fang

Oop. I meant Qibli and Winter

What will lead to the next arc

SILKWING THRONE
they don't have a queen so there will be some difficulties

SOMETHING IN THE ABYSS
It would make sense

A NEW TRIBE
maybe one that lives underground

SOMETHING TO DO WITH SCAVENGERS
this hasn't happened yet

Tui has ideas for a spider themed tribe and purposely avoids spider names just in case.

If she does add a new tribe, it will probably be that.

OOOOOOOO

Sunrise, Prince wrote: "What will lead to the next arc

SILKWING THRONE
they don't have a queen so there will be some difficulties

SOMETHING IN THE ABYSS
It would make sense

A NEW TRIBE
maybe one that lives underground
..."

BUT
Half of the SilkWing are currently under the spell of that Evil Fog. I feel like the SilkWings would 'join' the LeafWings until the whole tribe is together again. And if the SilkWings didn't join the LeafWings, I feel like they'd at least hang around and choose a 'leader'. Or have no Queen at all.

Things have happened with Scavengers. In multiple books. But I do agree that scavengers will be present for the next book as the last book left off with a group of them near the Abyss.

Give them a constitutional democracy.

The first tribe to have elected presidents instead of queens.

What happens to dragons when they die? Are they reincarnated and become AbyssWings?

That is pretty smart. I thought something along those lines, except not including the abyss and the dragons being called FireWings.


"a literal interpretation of "Shal have the power of Wings of Fire" : Have the power of the ancestors."

The Gr33nB34n wrote: "Silkwing Antagonist

I haven't read Book 15 but i think that maybe in an upcoming arc, there will be some evil Silkwing or even a hybrid. It could be an animus or just a normal dragon. They might r..."

Foeslayer/Hope said that Pyrrhia only took up a 3rd of the continent in book 10.

ᓚᘏᗢMelᓚᘏᗢ wrote: "But I do agree that scavengers will be present for the next book as the last book left off with a group of them near the Abyss."

Yeah, of course they will. Wren is in the "secret stealth team", remember? And plus, the reason she's there is to talk to the Pantalan Scavengers, so they have to be there.

Here are my thoughts:
- The BeetleWings are very likely to be secretly alive, and live in the abyss. They will either be fighting against the othermind or all be mind controlled; the heroes will help them.
- Bullfrog and Pineapple are both very likely to die.
- A cure to the othermind is likely to be found.
- Whether a cure is found or not, the othermind will be destroyed; Wasp may die in the same proverbial stroke, to say the least.
- A third continent is unlikely to exist, sorry. (Especially when you think about the fact that Pyrrhia and Pantala together collectively take up two-thirds of the planet's surface area; for comparison, Earth is thirty percent land by surface area; the rest is ocean.) In addition, Tui has been working on Wings of Fire for a long time, and she probably wants to move to other projects.
- The abyss and "brain" of the othermind is almost certainly in the hole in the middle of Pantala.

Here are more:

1. The Othermind headquarters/main part is going to be organic, which would make sense given that it is in the abyss which is probably in the sinkhole, and is protected by the depth, the soil, and the rocks. Because Luna is the protagonist in book 15, it would make sense if she burned it or make it go boom.

2. There will be a 4th arc, assuming Tui wanted all dragons to be equally represented, and the 4th arc would contain a SkyWing, a HiveWing, a LeafWing, a MudWing, and a RainWing protagonist

3. “Pan” means “All.” It cannot be a coincidence that Pantala has that prefix. Unless it is foreshadowing the Othermind taking over most of the dragons, I think entire Pantala will become inhabitable.

4. DO NOT HIT THIS SPOILER BUTTON! It contains a prediction that might spoil your childhood. Badly. Very Badly. (view spoiler)[I think Tui was inspired for the third arc by George Orwell’s 1984 and Animal Farm. (hide spoiler)]

I didn't say I warned you.

Nicoletta wrote: 4. DO NOT HIT THIS SPOILER BUTTON! It contains a prediction that might spoil your childhood. Badly. Very Badly. (view spoiler)[I think Tui was inspired for the third arc by George Orwell’s 1984 and Animal Farm. (hide spoiler)]

That is likely. I personally think what Tui is going for is more reminiscent of... (view spoiler)[uncomfortable real life topics I'd rather not talk about here, (hide spoiler)] but yeah.

Some other predictions I'll add here:
- The secret stealth team will at one point get imprisoned by the HiveWings, but escape. They'll likely be caught because Sky did something silly like try to rescue a koala or something. Bullfrog and/or Pineapple are likely to die here to establish how dangerous Pantala is.
- This is almost guaranteed: an "I know you're in there somewhere" fight between Luna (possibly with Cricket) and Blue. Blue, mind controlled by Wasp, will attempt to kill Luna, while Luna will tell him to "fight her" (referring to Wasp) while refusing to throw a punch. Whether Blue will override the mind control by the power of friendship or will require a knockout blow by Sundew along with a material cure, I cannot be sure.
- Something similar might happen between Luna and Swordtail, but this is less likely. More emphasis will be placed on the Luna/Blue fight.
- Tui will develop Luna and Swordtail's relationship fairly quickly. Like, over the course of a few days fairly quickly until their cheesy declarations of love.
- None of the secret stealth team members will die except Bullfrog and/or Pineapple.
- The othermind will be dealt with before Wasp is, or they will both be dealt with at the same time. The former is more likely.

Side note: Biohazardia, a prominent Wings of Fire Youtuber and artist, predicted that Sundew will get mind controlled and that it would be revealed that humans had a hand in the creation of the othermind. I have not included these in my bullet points, because I personally find both unlikely.

Oh shoot, I hope Biohazardia was wrong about the first part. I can't see that ending well.

I think that the main character in book 15 might be sky ( wrens dragon) it would be kinda fun to know more about them. AND MAYBE SKY WILL MEET PERIL!!! That would be awesome!

Katie wrote: "I think that the main character in book 15 might be sky ( wrens dragon) it would be kinda fun to know more about them. AND MAYBE SKY WILL MEET PERIL!!! That would be awesome!"

No. It was confirmed to be Luna several months ago.

Honestly, Sky and Peril meeting is most likely to happen in a Winglet or in the epilogue of TFoH.

Truthseeker wrote: The secret stealth team will at one point get imprisoned by the HiveWings...

I think that is pretty much certain. And to add on to that, maybe there will be a prison scene where everything will fall into place, in terms of what is happening with the evil plant and Wasp. The scene will take place at a time of great suspense, like the Secret Stealth Team is about to 1. die or 2. get infected with the plant's fumes, or even 3. have to confess what they know.

Nicoletta wrote: "Hey guys, I think the 15th book is going to be from Sky’s perspective!

Here is why:
The list of the types of dragons as main characters:

Arc 1: MudWing, SeaWing, RainWing, NighWing, SandWing (I k..."

Welp, that theory went out the window...

Truthseeker wrote: " This is almost guaranteed: an "I know you're in there somewhere" fight between Luna (possibly with Cricket) and Blue."

*Cringes in Cliche*

Please don't Tui, that's too cheesy and cliche.

Rosebud wrote: "*Cringes in Cliche*

Please don't Tui, that's too cheesy and cliche."

Yeah, it is. I'm hoping she'll put a twist on the old trope, liven it up to make it more interesting somehow, like Luna recognizing that Blue isn't going to snap out of it anytime soon and trying to capture him, or something like that.

Also gonna put a brief note here: Yesterday, the Wings of Fire News Twitter made a post that stated that Pineapple was Jambu's boyfriend.

Well, that's new. Out goes my prediction of his inevitable death.

Truthseeker wrote: "Also gonna put a brief note here: Yesterday, the Wings of Fire News Twitter made a post that stated that Pineapple was Jambu's boyfriend.

Well, that's new. Out goes my prediction of his inevitabl..."

Yeah Fandom went crazy about that yesterday. lol.

Hmmm, I still think Pineapple has a fair chance of kicking the bucket. I mean, we have at least three (almost) love-affairs already, and those three are going to stay alive for certain, a fourth one might take away from the dangerous nature of Pantala. If the fourth fails with Pineapple's death, it would really show how dangerous Pantala is.

Besides, the death count of important characters in the third arc is surprisingly small, especially given the fact there is a tyrant (excuse me, tyrants plural), a murderous group of outcasts, and a jungle of dangerous plants. And a super-paranoid queen who was queen way to early (ok, nothing can be done about that, and it was an enchantment, but still). Tui probably will make-up the deficit in FoH (How ironic would that be).

Kill bullfrog

He doesn't really have a purpose. Now that Pineapple does, it makes sense that Tui would kill Bullfrog.

In a literary sense, it is often more meaningful to the reader if someone with a purpose dies. Yes, there are some people who die without a purpose, but the readers are hit harder if someone died with a purpose. Take Dune and Kestrel for example. Remember how Sunny was mourning Dune's death, even those Dune was one of their "jailers."

It is true that a character death hits harder if we have lots of investment in said character. However, Tui isn't the kind of author who likes to kill of characters; she has a whole philosophy about it. If I remember right, she said that a character's death has to open as many doors as it closes, because a character death cuts off all future potential of said character. While this is true, I disagree with her philosophy; characters are killed to hurt the characters and audience/provide an emotional gut punch, not to "open doors;" the character's potential is the sacrifice. Well, unless the death is a fakeout, but back to WoF.

How many PoV characters from Wings of Fire (not counting Legends) have died? None. None of the dragonets of destiny, no one from the Jade Mountain protags and associated sidekicks (Moon, Winter, Peril, Turtle, Qibli, Kinkajou, Anemone; Carnelian wasn't part of the "group"). None of the third arc protags have died, either. Tui seems to be especially averse to death in the third arc; I'm fairly sure that only one character has died so far, and that character, Hawthorn, was a villain. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Despite the "material stakes," as I like to say, arc 3 has the lowest casualty rate so far.

I used to think that Pineapple was going to die since he had nothing about him of importance, but now that he's Jambu's boyfriend, Tui is more attached to him, and is thus less likely to kill him off. It's unlikely that Pineapple is a "grumpy" character like Carnelian (Tui clearly dislikes those types), since Tui is aware of media influence and will try to avoid portraying an LGBTQ+ character as "bad." And to Tui, it would be better to show Jambu and Pineapple's reunion than it would be to show Jambu's reaction to the death of his boyfriend.

Speaking of media influence, authors these days are averse to killing off LGBTQ+ characters, as they don't want to be accused of burying their gays. Tui, media-aware that she is, fits into this category. I'm not condoning killing off gays or anything, I'm just pointing out what modern authors tend to do.

Overall, Pineapple is now very unlikely to die. Bullfrog, though, is now pretty much guaranteed a gruesome death.

Edit: fixed a typo

Alright, you have made a fair point...

But I still think the death count will skyrocket in FoH. It is now pretty much a war with good guys against nature and dragon tyrants at the same time at this point. More than just Bullfrog will probably die.

So while we are on the subject "Can you think of anyone else who is completely useless?"

Watch Tui be secretly reading this and be like "Syke! Bullfrog won't die because you guys predicted it"

I made a chart on the capabilities of the secret stealth team, hold on-

According to my chart, only five members of the team have battle training/experience. The ones who don't have fighting skills are Pineapple (because RainWings have been peaceful for centuries), Moonwatcher, Luna, Cricket, and Sky.

There's also a category on smarts. The following characters lack either science or street smarts: Maybe Bullfrog, Tsunami, maybe Pineapple, Luna, Sky.

Replaceability: could a better candidate have been chosen instead of X? I'll explain this as I go.
- Qibli: Maybe. For all we know, Qibli is the smartest Outclaw, so the queens had to send him. But maybe not.
- Bullfrog: Maybe. He's a big MudWing and volunteered; not much else is known.
- Sky: YES. Couldn't Ruby have, I dunno, found a SkyWing who could actually fight? I'm pretty sure a twenty year long war ended less than a year ago. Also, these dragons are supposed to be representatives for their tribe, and Sky grew up with a scavenger and knows nothing about SkyWing culture. Of course, you could argue that SkyWings have no culture, but you know what I mean. There's also the big mystery of why Wren brought him along when she could've gone herself. Does she think Sky can't take care of himself? (I'd argue yes, but you know... spirit of the argument.)
- Tsunami: Maybe. I'm fairly sure that Tsunami snuck off to the team without Coral's permission, but whatever.
- Lynx: Yes. Snowfall, there are probably experienced First Circle war veterans who would've begged for the privilege of being stepped on by the queen. So why didn't you... oh. Right.
- Pineapple: Probably not. It was probably hard to find a warlike RainWing as is.
- Moonwatcher: No because powers.
- Luna: No. She's the only flamesilk and the SilkWings don't have much combat experience anyway.
- Cricket: No, because she's the only HiveWing available.
- Sundew: No, because she's like the only LeafWing who can fight and is available. She's also the most powerful leafspeak in the tribe.

There's also "has personality?" and "has brains?", but those aren't as relevant.

Overall, Sundew is the most optimal member of the team, and Sky is the worst. So there.

I think Tsunami would be more needed because she is the only one on the secret stealth team that was going to AND from Pantala, therefore she should know better than anyone the better way to get there.

Nicoletta wrote: "I think Tsunami would be more needed because she is the only one on the secret stealth team that was going to AND from Pantala, therefore she should know better than anyone the better way to get there."

Yeah, that makes sense.

Also it says she didn't ask permission, but Coral was fine with it when she finally showed up.

Honestly it's Coral's own fault she didn't get a say.

And Wren doesn't think Sky can take care of himself, because let's be reasonable, he has no survival instincts and nearly got turned into a taxidermy decoration. She doesn't really trust other dragons to take care of him, and she probably thinks she's the only one who can protect him properly.

I think Peril might have gotten Sky's survival instincts, as well as his fire...and frankly his brains.

Nicoletta wrote: "I think Peril might have gotten Sky's survival instincts, as well as his fire...and frankly his brains."

I second this. Peril is one of my favorite WoF characters, and Sky one of my least favorites. Makes me wonder if Tui was trying to make them opposites.

I also have to wonder if scavengers had to become plot relevant. In my opinion, they were perfectly fine as dragon food. Not to mention Tui writing Dragonslayer and then deciding that she loves Wren so much she's going to appear in the mainline books. (Tui's a discovery writer, so she doesn't plan out her books most, if not all, of the time.)

But back to predictions. I want to say that Peril, upon meeting Sky, will be utterly disappointed by his bland personality, and will thereafter pretend he doesn't exist. Unfortunately, such a scenario would be unlikely to happen; Peril will likely be extremely happy upon realizing that her long-lost brother is actually alive, and ignore all his shortcomings.

I don't understand why everyone dislikes Sky. He's literally one of the most lovable cinnamon rolls in the whole series.

I do agree he is lovable, but frankly, he is also one of the most useless characters to the other major characters. It would be one thing if he was just a peace-loving dragon, or even if he refused to fight or kill, but the fact that he cannot take care of himself makes him a major liability. He is incredibly naive, despite living through wartime (although he was a loner), Darkstalker's rise (also loner), almost dying on multiple occasions, and many other events that would probably have made him think twice on the subject that it is a nice world out there.

For some people, he might also not be very relatable (I personally have mixed feelings on this point), which can also make him less appealing to some people.

Truthseeker wrote: "I want to say that Peril, upon meeting Sky, will be utterly disappointed by his bland personality, and will thereafter pretend he doesn't exist. Unfortunately, such a scenario would be unlikely to happen; Peril will likely be extremely happy upon realizing that her long-lost brother is actually alive, and ignore all his shortcomings.."

While we are on the subject, unless Sky really has no brain cells to rub together, he would probably be scared of Peril upon first meet. If he was not, then it probably would be rather cheesy, unless it is made clear that Sky is not afraid of Peril because he has not brain. Also, how would Peril or Sky know they are twins upon first meet? They are complete opposites, and Sky does not even have Peril's brilliant-red scales, he has more dulled-out orange scales from what I can remember.

I dislike Sky for a lot of reasons, but it’s mostly because:
- Sky is sorely lacking in personality; his only trait is liking small, cute animals.
- He’s as old as Peril, and the narrative treats him like Bumblebee or Auklet.
- He’s useless. He doesn’t do anything for the plot and bogs down the story. For all I know, Tui put him in to reach a word quota.
- His name. Made even worse by the fact that Tui was originally going to name him Ember in the early drafts of TDP.

I think Tui might have refrained from calling Sky Ember to avoid confusion with Rose's original name for Smolder. It was easier to change Sky's name than to figure out something synonymous with Smolder that was not already taken and still sounded fierce. The name Ember also does NOT match with Sky's personality at all, while the name Sky could go either way.

Good point, but I wish Tui had named him something like Sunset (Wren, you said he looked like a sunset!), or even Orange, instead of... Sky the SkyWing.

Sunset I think was the SkyWing princess in Darkstalker who was killed by Albatross, therefor Tui could not use that name. I would also like to point out that Scavengers call SkyWings Mountain Dragons, so Wren would only know later the dragon name for Mountain Dragons, but I see where you are getting at with Sky the SkyWing.

Anyone think that Pantalans will establish a democracy after FoH? I know it's really unlikely and we're much more likely to get another "benevolent" monarch, but I'm holding out. Seeing a democracy in a high fantasy setting would be refreshing.

Oh, and there's a good chance Bumblebee is secretly royal somehow.

Truthseeker wrote: "Anyone think that Pantalans will establish a democracy after FoH? I know it's really unlikely and we're much more likely to get another "benevolent" monarch, but I'm holding out. Seeing a democracy..."

Yeah. Bumblebee is almost guarenteed to be royalty. I feel like Tui's leading us in that direction. Also, the black scales.

I kind of wish she wasn't, though. We've had enough secret royalty characters (Tsunami, Glory, Sunny) at this point, and I dunno what Tui wants to do with a reveal that a dragonet who can't really do anything is *gasp* a royal! Does Tui intend to make her queen or something? She's not even a month old.

If Bumblebee is royal, though, I wonder who she's related to. I feel like Jewel, Scarab, and Wasp are the most likely candidates.

The real question, though, is why in the hecking heck would a royal place her egg in the public hatchery and label it "Orphanage."

Truthseeker wrote: "I kind of wish she wasn't, though. We've had enough secret royalty characters (Tsunami, Glory, Sunny) at this point, and I dunno what Tui wants to do with a reveal that a dragonet who can't really ..."

Maybe she didn't want it. Maybe it has something to do with not wanting another heir to the throne. Like with Oasis.