The Debate Club discussion

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wild concept - we shouldn't have to say the pledge of allegiance in school full stop. since I graduated from high school, I have never once had to say it ever again.

uh yeah we're not creating a new pledge of allegiance because people don't want to say one word that means nothing to them

I don't think we should.

It doesn't just mean nothing to me. It means a lot of things that I will not express to keep from losing friends.

Hey Sky, if you want to rant on that, u can PM me? I'm supposed to be sleeping but idc

CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "Hey Sky, if you want to rant on that, u can PM me? I'm supposed to be sleeping but idc"

Maybe tomorrow. Thanks for the offer, though.

Btw, nice thought, Charlie. And I see what you're saying Rhyleigh, but it does mean a lot for other people. America is not about Christianity, it's about inclusivity

Sure, Sky

I mean, I get not wanting to change the entire thing, but it's not really fair that they just include "Under God" in the middle of it when definitely not all Americans are Christians. Why should I have to say that I'm living under god when I don't believe in him?

Yeah, me and my friend just play rock paper scissors during it lmao

wait do Americans actually have to pledge this every day at school??

yep!

My friend came up with a "more accurate one" too
(its just a meme dw)

I PLEDGE THE LEGIANCE
TO MERICA
BECAUSE I LOVE MERICA

AND I PROMISE TO SHOOT UP THEM TRUCKS
AND DEERS
AND LIVE
LAUGH
LOVE
TEXAS

AND PRAY TO MY GOD EVERYDAY
FOR GIVING ME SUCH A BLESSED
GUNTASTIC LIFE

I am def against the pledge. I don't usually say it but when I do, I keep quiet for the "under god" part because i'm polytheistic. ok so im not at all religious but i refuse to say i believe in a single god just bc the gov wants me to. They should really remove it, its so outdated and literally unconstitutional. what do you think "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion", which is literally the exact wording, means?

·.¸¸.·୧♢♥Kipp♥♢୨·.¸¸.· wrote: "I PLEDGE THE LEGIANCE
TO MERICA
BECAUSE I LOVE MERICA

AND I PROMISE TO SHOOT UP THEM TRUCKS
AND DEERS
AND LIVE
LAUGH
LOVE
TEXAS

AND PRAY TO MY GOD EVERYDAY
FOR GIVING ME SUCH A BLESSED
GUNTASTIC ..."

why is that actually so hilarious

Sai wrote: "·.¸¸.·୧♢♥Kipp♥♢୨·.¸¸.· wrote: "I PLEDGE THE LEGIANCE
TO MERICA
BECAUSE I LOVE MERICA

AND I PROMISE TO SHOOT UP THEM TRUCKS
AND DEERS
AND LIVE
LAUGH
LOVE
TEXAS

AND PRAY TO MY GOD EVERYDAY
FOR GIVI..."

Because its so true.

At my school, we don't have to say it or stand up during the pledge.

·.¸¸.·୧♢♥Kipp♥♢୨·.¸¸.· wrote: "I PLEDGE THE LEGIANCE
TO MERICA
BECAUSE I LOVE MERICA

AND I PROMISE TO SHOOT UP THEM TRUCKS
AND DEERS
AND LIVE
LAUGH
LOVE
TEXAS

AND PRAY TO MY GOD EVERYDAY
FOR GIVING ME SUCH A BLESSED
GUNTASTIC ..."

I'm dying 😭 🤣

we don't have to say it... but I think nobody should have to say anything they don't want to/don't believe

·.¸¸.·୧♢♥Kipp♥♢୨·.¸¸.· wrote: "I PLEDGE THE LEGIANCE
TO MERICA
BECAUSE I LOVE MERICA

AND I PROMISE TO SHOOT UP THEM TRUCKS
AND DEERS
AND LIVE
LAUGH
LOVE
TEXAS

AND PRAY TO MY GOD EVERYDAY
FOR GIVING ME SUCH A BLESSED
GUNTASTIC ..."

HAHAAHHAAHAHA holy sh-t I'm dying

I'm technically supposed to, but my teacher doesn't make me stand up.

No- not everyone believes in god- and I don't think they should have to say it

I think no. We have more than one religion in this country and if it gets re-written, I'd prioritize inclusiveness.

オールマイト wrote: "I think no. We have more than one religion in this country and if it gets re-written, I'd prioritize inclusiveness."

Exactly! its not fair to non-religions people and people who just aren't Christians.

S0l4r_St4rz (previously Litten) wrote: "We don’t pledge allegiance in Britain instead we sip tea"

XD

S0l4r_St4rz (previously Litten) wrote: "We don’t pledge allegiance in Britain instead we sip tea"

I'd like to think drinking a sip of Dr. pepper in honor of the country would be better than some pledge.

オールマイト wrote: "S0l4r_St4rz (previously Litten) wrote: "We don’t pledge allegiance in Britain instead we sip tea"

I'd like to think drinking a sip of Dr. pepper in honor of the country would be better than some p..."

EEWW DR PEPPER IS GROSS

Oooh new debate topic idea

CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "オールマイト wrote: "S0l4r_St4rz (previously Litten) wrote: "We don’t pledge allegiance in Britain instead we sip tea"

I'd like to think drinking a sip of Dr. pepper in honor of the country would be bet..."

You'd rather beer and eagles (/jk)?

オールマイト wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "オールマイト wrote: "S0l4r_St4rz (previously Litten) wrote: "We don’t pledge allegiance in Britain instead we sip tea"

I'd like to think drinking a sip of Dr. pep..."

XD

CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "オールマイト wrote: "S0l4r_St4rz (previously Litten) wrote: "We don’t pledge allegiance in Britain instead we sip tea"

I'd like to think drinking a sip of Dr. pepper in honor of the country would be bet..."

GETTIN A BIT OFF TOPIC HERE GUYS

Lil' bit

CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "Lil' bit"

Naur, all we said was the British drink tea instead of a pledge and I said maybe it might be a good idea if we drink dr. pepper instead of a pledge. The pledge is un-inclusive and needs something we can all enjoy honoring it instead (not saying that it is dr. pepper but yes).

オールマイト wrote: "CrazyChickenGirl (aka Barnette) wrote: "Lil' bit"

Naur, all we said was the British drink tea instead of a pledge and I said maybe it might be a good idea if we drink dr. pepper instead of a pledg..."

Not dr pepper - an energy drink. Like Monster or smth

GATORADE

Rhyleigh wrote: "uh yeah we're not creating a new pledge of allegiance because people don't want to say one word that means nothing to them"

Exactly (i say even though i dont go to public school anymore)

·.¸¸.·୧♢♥Kipp♥♢୨·.¸¸.· [Partial Hiatus] wrote: "I PLEDGE THE LEGIANCE
TO MERICA
BECAUSE I LOVE MERICA

AND I PROMISE TO SHOOT UP THEM TRUCKS
AND DEERS
AND LIVE
LAUGH
LOVE
TEXAS

AND PRAY TO MY GOD EVERYDAY
FOR GIVING ME SUCH A BLESSED
GUNTASTIC ..."

That better be said in a southern accent bc that is actually hilarious.

Santa Might wrote: "S0l4r_St4rz (previously Litten) wrote: "We don’t pledge allegiance in Britain instead we sip tea"

I'd like to think drinking a sip of Dr. pepper in honor of the country would be better than some p..."

HAHAHAHHA

Em wrote: "wait do Americans actually have to pledge this every day at school??"

not all of them. actually I don't know any where I live that do

I think we should. Many people believe in God, and we shouldn't change the pledge of allegiance because of one part that some people may not agree with

Ella⁸¹ wrote: "I think we should. Many people believe in God, and we shouldn't change the pledge of allegiance because of one part that some people may not agree with"

Hm, I do see what you mean, but that isn't really fair to the *17% of Americans who don't believe in God? America isn't about Christianity, it's about diversity and equality (or it's about something else, that can be for another debate topic)

*This statistic is from www.usatoday.com. You can fact-check me if you like

Ella⁸¹ wrote: "I think we should. Many people believe in God, and we shouldn't change the pledge of allegiance because of one part that some people may not agree with"

But doesn't that violate the first amendment? It's favoring monotheists over atheists and polytheists. The whole notion that the government is under god goes against the separation of church and state

I understand your guys' thoughts, but you don't even have to say that part of the pledge if you don't believe in God or are uncomfortable with it. That part of the pledge is just saying that the nation is 'under god' which means it's loved and protected by God. it's not saying everyone in the nation believes in God

Good point, Ella

Ella⁸¹ wrote: "I understand your guys' thoughts, but you don't even have to say that part of the pledge if you don't believe in God or are uncomfortable with it. That part of the pledge is just saying that the na..."

I see where you're coming from, but the point is not whether or not I'm saying it. The point is that it gives a signal that the government prefers certain religions over others. It simply doesn't seem correct in any way at all that it should be allowed to send a signal like that

It's not about preferring certain religions, it's about the vast majority of people in the US are Christian and believe in God. Plus, like I said, that line in the pledge is showing that God loves everyone in the USA

But some people are sensitive about that. Some non-religious people get very annoyed or even angry when religion enters their daily lives. I don't love it when I encounter religion, but I can deal with it. But some people can't.

Ella⁸¹ wrote: "It's not about preferring certain religions, it's about the vast majority of people in the US are Christian and believe in God. Plus, like I said, that line in the pledge is showing that God loves ..."

First of all, I disagree with the notion that you have to be Christian to believe in a single god. Heard of Jews and Muslims before? Yeah, they believe in a single god too.

Secondly, it frustrates me that you're saying we should disrespect certain people just because they're not with the majority. (I would like to add that 30% of us adults are religiously unaffiliated, according to the Pew Research Center, so it's not really a 'vast majority'.) And it is certainly about preferring certain religions. I don't believe in a single god. And it's not okay for my government to tell me otherwise. Instead, it should respect and acknowledge the diversity of faith in our country, not try to stuff it all under the one label the politicians in power like best.

Also, the line doesn't show that the god loves everyone in the USA. It shows that the government is under the god, which I know is basically what it says, but it lights up the government in a way that I don't feel is morally right to do.

I get that it's offensive to others but i feel like you shouldnt change the whole thing just because of it. Its been around for 132 years and idk. I feel like we just shouldnt change it