it's personal discussion

We have a new rule of banning.

If you would like a member banned, please private message one of the mods with proof of the offender breaking the rules of this group. Us mods will then decide if we think it deserves a warning (3 warnings = ban) or immediate ban. If you can't get proof, witnesses may work.

This just makes it easier for us mods. :)


BANNED:
. Aaron/Tyler
. Alec Lightwood/Gage
. Kevin.
. Ben/all the other accounts he makes :)
. Anonymous (4/18/20)
. Harley/Envy Adams (Jan 2022)

I really hope you never have to do this. O_O

Yes, well, we kinda already did, which is why we had to make this rule. It was kind of confusing and messed up so now hopefully it'll be simple. :/

Aww I'm sorry to hear that. Maybe since there's a rule people will be more cautious.

I hope so!

Can I get a couple mods to back me up on kicking Tyler out?
Multiple offenses on him being perverted/making sexual comments.

I'm not a mod but I'll back you.

when school prevents you from getting rid of creepy ass shits

you can kick him out lol 100% agree

I just found out what he said.

Deleted him.

Aaron/Tyler is back again, can I kick him?

yup

Thanks

what happens if someone that's banned comes back under a new profile?

james; fresh regrets, vodka sweats wrote: "what happens if someone that's banned comes back under a new profile?"

I kicked him out.

aright

mei wrote: "james; fresh regrets, vodka sweats wrote: "what happens if someone that's banned comes back under a new profile?"

I kicked him out."

was it Aaron? He's about due to show up.

no, it was Gage/"alec lightwood"

he was kicked out for harassing another member and mocking their religion. and then kicked out again for making another account and joining the group.

ahhh. I have a suggestion (yeah I know me and my suggestions) Maybe the first post could be edited and add a list of those Banned from the group so if anyone spots someone who is on the list they can let one of the mod know. I had no idea he had been banned.

yeah, we try not to make a big deal out of it. that's a good idea, I'll get on that! thanks.

mei wrote: "yeah, we try not to make a big deal out of it. that's a good idea, I'll get on that! thanks."

(A bit of a delayed response...thank you red numbers.)

Apparently a job well done. Aaron is/was another story he has a reputation but, Alec? I had no idea he was even banned. Quite surprising. I mean I really don't know him very well, more like I just know of him, I've seen him around here and in other groups, he's never struck me as the type to make trouble. I'm so out of the loop. ..Who else is banned? Am I banned? JK

yeah aaron is a pervert so

and alec has said homophobic and racist comments before but we didn't kick him out then. after he insulted and mocked somebody's religion that was it.

uhh on the list it just shows alec and this other guy who was making really sexual comments in the group a few months ago.

im p sure weve kicked out more people but maybe they deleted their accounts or smth, idk.

To my fellow mods,

I strongly believe that we should have a trial in order to fairly consider Alec's removal. I think that a trial should be available for any member who asks for one. In this instance, Alec has brought the situation to my attention, therefore allowing me to defend him in this particular case. Those mods that kicked him out/ believe he should stay kicked out will be the opposing side. We can make a folder for these trials in this group so that they will all be available for the members to see in order to set examples and allow for a fair, open trial or we can make a new group and invite the jury and two sides. We'll need 5 or 7 members to listen in and truly judge Alec without bias. I've looked it up and know that each side has some say as to who is on the jury panel. Obviously we would avoid those that would be a conflict of interest like Autumn or anyone who strongly dislikes someone from either side. We should also allow for new members with fresh eyes.
Please note that I truly believe that this would help the group as a whole and has nothing to do with bias or past problems with any of you. If any of you were in a similar situation, I hope that you know that I would put aside any bad history and help you out immediately. I am also putting this here since it is a case about a banning and I want the members here to know that this stuff is taken seriously in order to ensure the safety and respect of everyone here.

I'll volunteer as a juror. NO wait I want to be the judge!! jk but seriously, I'll help out. Like I said Idr know him so I can be impartial.

Alright, so then we need 4 or 6 more.

...so that's a no on being the judge?

No judge; just a fair jury.

right'o. Keep me posted.

no

?

Kevin. wrote: "Look I am a criminal defense atty in real life so I can volunteer"

..I may need you at some point. JK!!

sel wrote: "no"

Why?

unnecessary

sel wrote: "unnecessary"

Why?

it's excessive. he's not getting back in

How is it excessive? If you were kicked out of a group that you like and you didn't believe it was fair, would you not want the mods to discuss? Where is the safety in that? Without a fair trial, it just becomes a "safe" place for members to get kicked out by mods at any given moment because a mod did it. If the case is so simple, it should be a quick trial, right? We'll be done fast and then at least the group can be covered by saying yes there was a fair trial and we came to a conclusion abd that's that. It would help for future events too.

four mods already agreed. he should have thought before harassing a mod and member. the whole point of this thread is to avoid things like this.

I agree that these things should be avoided. I also believe that the best way to avoid a lot of issues is by addressing them fairly in front of people. Every story has two sides. Denying someone a trial, and a fair one in particular, would make it seem almost personal. We don't want it to look personal, right? Don't want people thinking that they're being targeted by mods.

no trial

members don't get a say in who gets to stay and who gets kicked out of the group. we put up the banning rule in the first place to say that the moderators could kick out anyone in the group who was acting inappropriately.

Understand that mods have the right to ban you without warning, with reason.

emphasis on mods. while i don't mean to exclude the other moderators, it's usually selia and i who are handling the group. of course, with the help of a few others. but many of the moderators are inactive or rarely on, and we understand that. but it's mainly selia and i who make the judgment on who is acting inappropriately.

two people (one of them being a moderator as well) messaged me about gage. he was blatantly harassing another member over religion. and before that, he has said multiple racist and homophobic things. which obviously isn't right at all, but. you know. "freedom of speech" but there is a fine line between speaking your opinion and being a complete dick.

bashing someone very directly because of their beliefs is wrong and disrespectful. he was even told to stop. selia and i and another moderator (so, thats four moderators in total who agreed gage's behavior was wrong) agreed that he should be kicked out of the group. so he was.

not even a day later gage made a second account and joined the group again. even after specifically being kicked out. the person who gets banned from the group doesn't make the call when he or she gets to come back. gage made the call anyway and immaturely joined the group a second time. being banned from the group means that you're banned from the group. you don't get a "fair trial" this isn't a time out in the corner. you're banned and that's it.

so, i kicked him out. three other moderators (not including myself) agreed to this, by the way. gage messaged selia, complaining about being kicked out again. selia politely told him he wasn't welcome in the group anymore. because he isn't.

so, yeah. even if we did the "trial" idea, gage doesn't deserve one anyway because of his actions in making another account. this group doesn't need a complicated system when people get banned. you get kicked if you're acting inappropriately and/or against the group rules. selia and i mainly make the judgment and that's that.

So basically you're judge, jury, and executioner? That does mean then that anyone can get kicked out at any given time, right? So everyone has to walk on eggshells here basically. I don't know how good that looks for the group to be frank. It's a risky game you're playing. Historically speaking, people tend to get a bit upset when they're oppressed. It is quite sad that I'm never asked about anything even though you all know I'm active, but okay. I know you never want to really hear the other side anyway. It was worth a shot.

Danya{~But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world...~} wrote: "Why don't you guys flag them?"

Nope, they said no..

in all the years this group has been active, only five people at most have been banned. we don't go kicking out people at every argument. if we did that, you'd be out a long time ago. this is not gage's first incident.

did you not read what i just wrote? selia and i don't just kick people out when we feel like it. we kick people out when they're acting out or a member complains about them. we kick them out reasonably. i think gage was kicked out for a pretty good reason. you know, for telling another member off because of their religion.

don't compare this to being "oppressed", Caitlyn. that's quite rude and really disrespectful. comparing this to real life problems (that didn't just happen in history but still occur today) is really gross and again, disrespectful.

As you wish.

Thank you! Also, if he continues to bother you about this, I would suggest blocking him.

sel wrote: "in all the years this group has been active, only five people at most have been banned. we don't go kicking out people at every argument. if we did that, you'd be out a long time ago. this is not g..."

smh...ok, so why not then, if you guys feel that you were just in taking the action that was taken, why not let the members hear both sides? I for one am confused.
I'll give ya that, not many ppl have been banned. But yet there have been things that have gone down and Nothing or little was done about it. This just seems over the top.

I went on his thread this afternoon and his comments have been deleted however the ones that I can read and mind you some of those are from the mods themselves were bit hostile and harsh imo. From what I can gather it starts with one persons opinion about a shooting...and what I find even more ironic is that during this convo it is brought up that Alec dates a person outside his race..and yet you guys were calling him a raciest and making raciest comments. I think your point is invalid. If he were truly a raciest he would not date outside of his own. But that's neither here nor there, I am having a real hard time trying to understand what caused an immediate ban from the group. I hope there is much more to it than just what I read on that thread cus if that is it. I seems a bit rash.

...ah, hell I could be next.

His comments were deleted so you are only seeing one side. Also, you can still be racist even if you date someone of another race. We do not want a trial because we find it unnecessary? Four mods decided together to kick him out. That is half of the mods we have. Caitlyn is one mod against it.

Anyway, I don't think a trail would work since his comments are deleted.

(and his comments are deleted because he deleted his account, not because a mod deleted them)